The Syndicate

Matt F wrote:Okay Mac cover your eyes because...here...we...go...

At the time of nutella's vote, all three top contenders (Bug, Dom, Nana) had four votes a piece, yet she voted for Sorsha. The whole exchange between nutella and sorsha after nutella's vote was quite curious...because there was none.

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So...

At the time of nutella's vote, the top three contenders (Bug, Dom, Nana) are tied at 4-4-4. Nutella, after contributing throughout the day, within an 8 minute timespan, throws her vote on Sorsha and completely avoids being a tiebreaker. Same post she votes for Sorsha, she makes an ironic statement about waiting for a response from Bubbles before placing a vote on her.

Then, the two posts that Sorsha make following nutella's vote...do not address the vote on her, do not address nutella. I would think nutella's vote would merit a reaction, something, even to say "Seriously? Put your vote where it matters", but nothing.

Golden wrote:Voting nutella, for an early placeholder. Matt, I think your case holds a lot of merit.

@Mac - why do you think dom, specifically, was getting the save? Could it not have been buglabush? Even yesterday, you seemed to be quite firm on the idea of Dom being bad, but I'm not sure I've ever really caught the gist of why you suspected him (then). I agree with your points about Dom being opportunistic today, but I've been in heated arguments with Dom before where I've thought his reactions to my suspicion of him were opportunistic NO U approaches, and he has been civilian.

I feel like you've almost flipped a switch between earlier day one 'lets test epi's scumdar' and later day one putting a lot of pressure on for Dom to be the lynch. Is it all about the voting patterns and it feeling like a save came in? Or is there more to it I haven't quite understood.

Epignosis wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:What are your top, say, three or four scum reads Epi? This question is open to SVS as well. And Floyd. And anyone.

Dom, S~V~S, and nutella.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Dom, SVS, Floyd, Bea ... no need to thank me.

You are so laughably inconsistent.

Bea isn't even playing this game

Dom's not playing the other game that bea's playing, so this post couldn't have gone there.

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Dom, SVS, Floyd, Bea ... no need to thank me.

You are so laughably inconsistent.

Bea isn't even playing this game

MacDougall wrote:Dom, SVS, Floyd, Bea ... no need to thank me.

MacDougall wrote:Dom vote for me. Surely you must think I am scummier than Banana.

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Epi's case against Dom might be great for all I know, but that's just the problem, I can't know. It's meta-based. It makes no sense to echo a meta-based case when you yourself aren't familiar with the meta of the lynch candidate, especially when you were the one boasting earlier about how poor the reasoning against BUGLA is.

Your rationalisation is bizarre. I am putting faith in an Epi town read and his scumdar. I don't have a read on Dom but he does. I haven't said I agree with his case I am deferring to him in lieu of my options.

I like that his lynch is not easily forthcoming too.

Linki: saying you have displayed disinterest due to low post count does not equal me accusing you of laying low. It does not form the foundation of any case on you. Contextually I was pointing out that you did not have more interest than anyome else. You are shuffling around intent to shift focus from you. Hold still while we lynch you.

Golden doesn't this look like your day 1 overreaction scum tell?

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Typhoony wrote:I'm not suspicious of anyone with votes, but Buglabush seems not interested at all in playing the game, even less than people who haven't posted at all.
*votes*

Dom wasn't interested either until he got votes on him. If buglabush was scum I would imagine his team would be screaming at him to contribute, probably even post coaching.

Bug looks like an island to me.

I also want to respond to this.

Explain my disinterest. How was I disinterested?

Low post content comparatively.

Golden wrote:I think Dom is town.

Golden wrote:Switching my vote to bubbles.

Bubbles would normally say 'I am town'.

For her to say "Am I bad? Go by my track record" looks to me... suspiciously like someone trying to avoid saying that she is civ.

MacDougall wrote:

Typhoony wrote:I'm not suspicious of anyone with votes, but Buglabush seems not interested at all in playing the game, even less than people who haven't posted at all.
*votes*

Dom wasn't interested either until he got votes on him. If buglabush was scum I would imagine his team would be screaming at him to contribute, probably even post coaching.

Bug looks like an island to me.

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:It is unfortunate that my actual preferable lynch candidates are not on the poll. Hence why I am deferring to Epi here who has given the most assured day 1 case that I have seen.

linki - When you're about to be lynched, you bet it is.

Lol what would you prefer I do Zebra?

Pretty much anything but weakly echo a case that is relying primarily on meta that you aren't even familiar with yourself.

Not good enough. If your primary scum candidates were not votable, you were commuting across the country and only posting at red lights and piss stops and there were 40 minutes left to vote... what would you do?

Why is your bug vote stronger than my Dom vote? What is your bug case again? How is it better than Epis?

a2thezebra wrote:Turnip Head, I would go a step further and say Mac's vote is significantly more effortless than the lurker/newbie votes and even the self-vote.

linki @ Dom - Where did I imply that I was demanding detailed opinions on everyone? Just more reads than a single person who you're basically voting for to save your own skin anyway.

Sorsha wrote:@Dom- I don't see what's wrong with stating who I'm not voting for... It's day one and I don't have a huge feel on anyone yet. It's easier to spot civ behavior for me that bad sometimes is what I was trying to get at there. Im feeling civ vibes from Mac so far and while I'm not good at pinning down Epis alliance in most games I do agree with him on the points he's made on you. And you no u me?

a2thezebra wrote:

Dom wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I would agree that the case against you is BS, Dom, but that might because I'm less familiar with your meta than some of the people that are on it. Could you give us some more of your reads, perhaps? Such as who you most likely will be voting for?

I'll likely be voting in self preservation.
I think Sorsha's vote on me was suspect AF.

Yeah, but like, maybe other reads that you hadn't already mentioned? Oh dear.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:It is unfortunate that my actual preferable lynch candidates are not on the poll. Hence why I am deferring to Epi here who has given the most assured day 1 case that I have seen.

linki - When you're about to be lynched, you bet it is.

a2thezebra wrote:Don't tell me you just disappeared after that last post Dom because THAT would make me vote for you.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:I don't advocate an Epi lynch, but I feel his "case" on me is BS and I can't believe I'm leading in a Day 1 lynch right now when no one's even heard from me on the subject.

What I said about you is from 11:27 this morning. You waited until there was little more than an hour to speak on the subject. You can't expect people to sit around and wait for that sort of thing.

Why is my "case" (apostrophes yours) on you bullshit, and if it is, why don't you advocate for my lynch? If what I'm spewing is bullshit, *I* should be lynched.

I think I'm right, and you're unhappy with how this Day has turned out.

a2thezebra wrote:I would agree that the case against you is BS, Dom, but that might because I'm less familiar with your meta than some of the people that are on it. Could you give us some more of your reads, perhaps? Such as who you most likely will be voting for?

MacDougall wrote:This buglabush stuff is strange as fuck. He has barely made a post of any substance. Epi's point on Dom has very little post content to go by but is rational. These buglabush votes are there with no pretense. There are far better lynch candidates. These votes are too effortless.

Why would anyone who values their vote low enough to throw it away on buglabush not instead put epi's scumdar to the test on a dom vote? If your fucking vote means so little to you put it here please.

Sorsha wrote:

BUGLABUSH wrote:Stop talking Mr Zebra no one likes you

If you post like this no one is going to like you BUG....

I wouldn't mind voting Dom. I'm not a good judge of Epi- I always seem to think he's bad but I feel like Mac is civ so far- he's not reminding me so much of his play in TH anyway. I wouldn't be against a tranq vote either.

I feel like the day 0 prof vote discussion is not productive either... Too many what ifs.

I'm in a hurry right now but I'm putting my vote on Dom for the moment.

Turnip Head wrote:I had the same feeling about Dom's posts as Epi did. Asking empty questions just to appear involved.

TinyBubbles wrote:SOOO no one really stands out as suspicious at this stage to me but im voting for timmer because i want him to post more

Says the person with 2 posts Did you miss my question to you Bubbles?

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:Epig and now MetalMarsh. Why are you voting for Dom? I haven't seen anything I would consider even a ping. What am I missing?

That's just it- he's trying t0o hard to be good. Only bad guys try to look good.

It's fishy I tells ya, fishy.

Seriously, I find Dom's posts to be full of bet hedging, like he's unwilling to take a stance on anybody or anything. Even on Day 1, opinions should be forged, even if they are wrong. The areas of conversation Dom has chosen to engage in have been fringe discussions that, again, he doesn't take stances on (apart from a vague "Sounds good to me, then" to Turnip Head's math). When zebra votes nutella for lurking, Dom asks for an explanation about how nutella is lurking, which is an out-of-the-blue question to ask that I find had an obvious answer. Then Dom doesn't follow through with anything on that front ("How does lurking make nutella bad?" or some such push). Didn't happen, and I view that as a soft defense of nutella.

So that's why Dom has my vote.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Dom, are you bad?

nope.
are you?

Yeah you are.

Voting Dom.

Epignosis wrote:Dom, are you bad?

nutella wrote:I see I've already gotten a vote for not being around much. I'm just now checking in, I am having quite a busy week.

I think that Bullz is, or is one of the teammates of, one of the people who got info. That means that I think there is more than 1/3 chance that he is bad because I think it is likely that the baddie who got info told their teammates. As Epi points out I find it unlikely that all of the team members would vote for it, I wouldn't doubt that a couple of them would, and that there is therefore a greater chance that Bullz is on a baddie team than that he is a civ or indie.

Unfortunately, of course, I can't vote for him. So I'll have to resort to other Day 1 crap. Like maybe the Mac/Matt thing, but as I already said I think that both of them are fucking around uselessly and I'm kind of indifferent to both.

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:...and three players were told that voting Prog would get them off the poll, one civ, one baddie, and one independent. I don't understand what you're looking for me to say here.

But that makes it equally likely that Bullz is civ or bad.... that's why I don't understand why you seemed to imply it makes Bullz worth voting for.

I don't plan to pursue this further than I already have, but I think of it this way. There are 15 civilian roles in this game, which means everyone has a 50% chance of getting a civvie role. If we assume that Bullz was one of the three players who had inside info on the poll, then there's only a 33% chance that he's civvie and a 67% chance that he's non-civ, which means he would be less likely to be civ than anyone else. I was pushing Bullz to see how I felt about him in relation to those possibilities.

Matt F wrote:In case anyone is interested (without having to go check the polls thread), voters of Progressive include:

Metalmarsh, Bullzeye, Floyd, SVS, Epig, BWT

If one baddie was told this would remove them from the lynch poll, I'm willing to bet he told his team. Unless LC barred such action?

Do we suppose the civ, Mafia, and indy were told that Long Con would tell the town that "one civ, Mafia, and Indy knew at the outset?" or did our host keep that info to himself when letting these players know?

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Can we just play this game independent of every other game going on right now?

This, for the love of fuck.

Matt F wrote:Sorry Zebra, vote stays. I was pretty caught off guard with this nonsense, but as Sorsha demonstrated, it's obviously not just Mac who feels this way. If I'm around after Day 1, legit scum hunting will begin. If not, good luck town!

There is a crucial difference between overreacting with a defense and overreacting with an action. You performed the latter, in the worst possible way second only to claiming scum, so sorry, my vote stays too then.

MacDougall wrote:Floyd you aren't a noob anymore so I will be voting you for looking for an easy place to put your questionable vote.

Well that sure is an easy place to put your questionable vote.

linki - Well, what the fuck. Let's see...there really isn't anything I find that suspicious. I've spent more time responding to this linki then the rest of my post. I'll go with nutella, maybe that will stop the lurking.

Turnip Head wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Didn't mean to press submit just yet. I have several favourite genres of music and felt that rather than pick one I'd just pick something different. I don't see why it should have to mean something.

It doesn't have to mean something, but it could mean something, in a poll where we were told to pick our favorite genre and everybody did that but you. It is, at the very least, noteworthy :P And you saying "I don't see why it should have to mean something" instead of "it doesn't mean anything" also has me curious.

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Obviously not something I can act on toDay, but this post by Bullz caught my hindsight eye. It feels like the least genuine vote for Prog.

Bullzeye wrote:Voting Prog not because it's my favourite. Nor is it my least favourite. It's the only option in the poll I have absolutely no opinion on either way and that makes it noteworthy to me.

Everyone else voted for their favorite option on Day 0. Bullzeye voted for a "noteworthy" one.

...and?

...and three players were told that voting Prog would get them off the poll, one civ, one baddie, and one independent. I don't understand what you're looking for me to say here.

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:It is my modus operandi as a mafia player on this website to tunnel MattF in every game until one of us are dead. You are officially forewarned of my intention in every game we both play in.

....

Hello Dom! Pleasure to make your acquaintance.

Don't mind that post my friend. I was just being a little bit playful.

Turnip Head wrote:Obviously not something I can act on toDay, but this post by Bullz caught my hindsight eye. It feels like the least genuine vote for Prog.

Bullzeye wrote:Voting Prog not because it's my favourite. Nor is it my least favourite. It's the only option in the poll I have absolutely no opinion on either way and that makes it noteworthy to me.

Everyone else voted for their favorite option on Day 0. Bullzeye voted for a "noteworthy" one.

MacDougall wrote:It is my modus operandi as a mafia player on this website to tunnel MattF in every game until one of us are dead. You are officially forewarned of my intention in every game we both play in.

Black Rock wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'm picking alternative. 90's alternative to be specific but some of today's are good too. It's a toss up between that and rock for me.

Do you like Muse's new album? I do.

Cause everything they do is awesome? I have actually watched them perform while fixing the piano. Who fucking performs while underneath a piano? Well, I'll tell you, Matthew Bellamy. Because.

What? How? Why?

Cause it was broken... you can't have a broken piano.