The Syndicate

Tranq wrote:Dom, why did you lie about me being near the Tribunal?

Why did you allow LoRab to be lynched?

You or SVS know the answer to that question and to pose it to me is both misleading and manipulative.

Tranq wrote:Why did you lie to Matt?

I didn't lie to Matt. I never lied to Matt. Matt and I shared BTSC around Day 5. I had not yet been recruited. Matt tinfoiled his way into a total stinkhole of a situation.

Tranq wrote:Why didn't you want the Master Thief role to be revealed?

I wanted the Trickster to be revealed. I didn't think LC would so obviously manipulate those results too.

Tranq wrote:Why didn't you vote Turnip Head Day 13?

Because I wanted SVS... someone who I am 100% positive is bad... out of the game.

Tranq wrote:Why didn't you vote Turnip Head on the Night 11 poll? http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 47#p205695

Because I wasn't suspicious of TH-- I was wrong about that, but I wasn't suspicious of him.

Tranq wrote:Why didn't you vote Timmer Day 10?

I missed the vote because I work retail + Thanksgiving. Read my posts, please, Tranq.

Tranq wrote:Why haven't you named a single Circle suspect unless you're being forced to?

Until quite recently I didn't classify my suspicions by team. I have had plenty of suspicions that I wasn't certain about which team they were on. FS is a good example of this.

Tranq wrote:Why haven't you actively pursued those suspects?

Becaues I am not sure about them but am about SVS-- something you keep conveniently forgetting I am saying.

Tranq wrote:Name 1 single Circle suspect still alive.

FS.
I have done this so many times. Get a grip.

Tranq wrote:Name 2. From your POV, there would need to be 2 alive.

No there doesn't, but okay. Interesting that you talk about it like there isn't.
Perhaps it's you-- I don't really know. You and SVS are bad and I'm so done with being complacent about both of your total manipulations of the thread.

Tranq wrote:

Dom wrote:You have been linked to two NKs. You ignore the fact that there was an attempted NK on me by the Circle. You ignore that SVS is obviously bad. You are likely bad as well and I refuse to let you continue to manipulate this thread to your needs.

I haven't ignored any of this. You ignore the fact that there was a successful NK on me by the Cabal. I'll say it once again. The Circle "tried to NK you" because they likely had no other targets, knowing you'd survive. I've been travelling with SVS for the last couple of phases. I was with her when she tried to NK fingersplints, i was with her when she NK'd Sorsha. I am not with her atm. I told her to meet up at a certain square today, but i ran the other way. I assume this is why she hasn't voted for you yet today. I know she wants you dead. How can you say i ignore SVS is obviously bad when i've addressed that very thing in almost every other post?

If you know SVS is bad, then why aren't you lynching her? Right. Your secret deal that everyone should just trust you on-- riiiiiiiiight.

Lynch Tranq. He was rezzed for reasons unknown. He is 100% bad. He thinks the Circle wasted a NK on me on a night I know they could have targeted LoRab becaues she was on the same square as me. They had other targets people, Tranq is just trying to paint me into a role I am not. I think my relationship with Lorab is plain to see.

Tranq, your case is a useless pile of manipulation.

You have been linked to two NKs. You ignore the fact that there was an attempted NK on me by the Circle. You ignore that SVS is obviously bad. You are likely bad as well and I refuse to let you continue to manipulate this thread to your needs.

That's... two people you've been tied to on kill attempts.

Tranq wrote: I don't suspect Sorsha at this point. One could say the game has come full circle

So.. Tranq.. you're gonna tell me you weren't on Sorsha's square last night, but said this?

Are you kidding me?

I have reason to believe they're at the tribunal-- which means they have at least two people working with them.

Lynch Tranq.

Draconus wrote:I'm sorry Dom

Can we agree to lynch SVS now?

Tranq wrote:Voting Belgium.

Dom wrote:Tranq that attempt at smearing LoRab is so pathetic. Why would she bring it up herself if that's the case?

I don't see any reason to assume LoRab's flip wasn't Seemered or Trickstered. It just makes sense for you two to be Circle buddies.
Why did you vote Golden? Why didn't you try to save LoRab by voting SVS?

Golden wrote:

Tranq wrote:Here's hoping LoRab isn't Scrippleskitz.

She was never scrippleskitz.

You know who Scrippleskitz is/was?

Tranq that attempt at smearing LoRab is so pathetic. Why would she bring it up herself if that's the case?

Tranq wrote:I'm not sure i buy this result. It doesn't mathematically hold up.

LoRab wrote:Although taking a look at them now to answer your question, I remembered that there is a seemer type object (it has seemer in the name...don't know if I can legally name items or not). Which means that there could be more than one player who has been lynched and did not appear as they truly are. I had, quite honestly, completely forgotten that.

I guess this could explain it.

Matt wrote:*ahem*BernieSanders2016*ahem*

RIP, friend.

I'm sorry, LoRab.

LoRab wrote:

Draconus wrote:Golden, does this ^^ wording make you uneasy?

He has said he trusts me, I have given him a good degree of trust, but it's a close vote and he hasn't voted and I'm in the lead. What about the wording makes you uneasy?

linkitis: @Dom: What does that mean?

I've done my best.

LoRab wrote:@Dom: Were you planning to vote? Because your lack of vote is making me paranoid.

I've told you everything. :/

There's nothing I can do. :/

Sorsha wrote:What Dom

Just... it makes me uneasy.

Sorsha wrote:

Draconus wrote:Golden and Sorsha, I'm sure you're right about SVS. Hypothetical: After lynching her, who would you vote for, and in what order (assuming there are 2 or 3 baddies left)?

I feel the same as I did here:

Sorsha wrote:Tranq might be completely right about Dom and LoRab being Circle. The problem with your case Tranq is that if we save svs for "last" and she's not actually the last Cabal. Civs lose.

I'm fine with lynching Dom or LoRab tomorrow after we find out if svs is the last Cabal.

I want SVS lynched today because I think she is cabal. Unfortunately things have happened and if I keep my vote on svs today it could mean I'm a goner here too so I'll be moving my vote to LoRab. I'm not happy about this.

Linki: *feeds SVS's raccoon some cookies and pats it on the head nicely*

Dom wrote:FS, did you know you would survive that NK?

I thought I saw her online.

FS, did you know you would survive that NK?

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:

Draconus wrote:

Dom wrote:I can't fathom how someone would hear that Tranq and SVS made a deal so don't worry about it and not think WTF.

I'm not worried because I trust Tranq and I'm not on the other team

....so you trust SVS because you trust Tranq... you trust someone who openly admitted to being bad?

When did this happen?

Semantics, but:

S~V~S wrote: So I am not a huge fan of this being discussed this way, since it is not true, and I have not admitted I was bad to anyone.

When will you admit you're bad?

Draconus wrote:

Dom wrote:I can't fathom how someone would hear that Tranq and SVS made a deal so don't worry about it and not think WTF.

I'm not worried because I trust Tranq and I'm not on the other team

....so you trust SVS because you trust Tranq... you trust someone who openly admitted to being bad?

I can't fathom how someone would hear that Tranq and SVS made a deal so don't worry about it and not think WTF.

Tranq wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm not replying to Tranq's post because he admitted to actively made a deal with a baddie

You're not replying to my post because you know the case i made is correct

The deal i made with SVS is one of the better moves i made this game actually. She cannot win anymore, so the only thing she wants is revenge for MM. Which means dead Circles and i agree with that. I wouldn't trust a deal with most other baddie players, but this is SVS, we have history together and i trust her word. Eliminating the Circle first is the safest way to get a civ win.

I'm voting LoRab. I think she's Scrippleskits or Possessing Entity.

...I will answer your post when you answer mine.

Why the hell should I just trust you? You've admitted to being a baddie. How do I know you and SVS aren't on the same team? How do I know this isn't a Cabal plot to win?

Why should I put any stock in what you say?

Tranq wrote:How would having some vote changers convince me you guys aren't the biggest threat atm? It makes it worse

I didn't mean to ignore your post like Dom did to mine. I didn't have alot of time this morning. I'll look at it when i get home from work tonight.

You ignored MY questions, Tranq.

Draconus wrote: This doesn't answer Dom's question, though. I only just found out about Tranq's "deal" with SVS. If anything, the deal makes me feel better about Tranq not being the last member of the Cabal. I haven't done enough reading to see what SVS had to say about the deal, though. Some enlightenment on this aspect would be appreciated

I appreciate you wanting my question answered too, but how the hell does Tranq making a secret deal with a baddie make you feel BETTER about him?

S~V~S wrote:yeah,dom. I was saying you should go ask TH, your teammate.

And Golden,I could do that. I would so much rather lynch Dom. Becasue he can see how much this is upsetting me, and he has not once said that I have to know he would never do such a thing. Which he would do it he was civ, I am100% sure of it.

Night all. time to walk away.

No I wouldn't. I don't think I've ever relied on that kind of argument.

I didn't kill MM, anyway.

I'm not replying to Tranq's post because he admitted to actively made a deal with a baddie

S~V~S wrote:It was kind of a swipe at Dom, tbh.

Was it?

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:That's a good question, tbh. A really good question.

Don't get me wrong either, SVS. You still could be bad. The points about your defences of Luke and Juliets stand. But I don't think we should blindly pile on anyone.

Do you think it's possible they're both bad?

Sorsha wrote:Tranq might be completely right about Dom and LoRab being Circle. The problem with your case Tranq is that if we save svs for "last" and she's not actually the last Cabal. Civs lose.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why should I unilaterally trust you, Tranq?

S~V~S wrote:

Tranq wrote:Well, let's see. Let's ask everyone. Answering no wouldn't be against the rules.

Draconus, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given the btsc we shared and his suspicion of you Day 12.
fingersplints, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as fingersplints is your Circle suspect.
Golden, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given Golden considered you a suspect Day 12 here and here.
LoRab, did you recruit Dom?
S~V~S, did you recruit Dom? Haha maybe it's S~V~S!
Sorsha, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as Sorsha is your Circle suspect.

No I did not recruit Dom.

Dom wrote:

Tranq wrote:Forgot to include LoRab in your list?

Yeah- I did.

You forgot to include me too

I think someone said a bunch of crap to me based on the presumption that I am bad. So I am not a huge fan of this being discussed this way, since it is not true, and I have not admitted I was bad to anyone. But at this point all I really care about it that the people who killed Metalmarsh die. That was unnecessary. He put his faith in me, and it got him screwed. All I care about at this point is that the Circle does NOT win, other than that I don't particularly care who does. Circle members, ask TH how I am about this kind of thing, he was my teammate in HSK.

You killed my marmot.

Yeah, you're bad.

Tranq wrote:Forgot to include LoRab in your list?

Yeah- I did.

LoRab-- you?

FS-- what do you think of Tranq's "deal" with SVS?
Draconus-- what do you think of Tranq's "deal" with SVS?
Sorsha-- waht do you think of Tranq's "deal" with SVS?
Golden-- what do you think of Tranq's "deal" with SVS?

Tranq wrote:Well, let's see. Let's ask everyone. Answering no wouldn't be against the rules.

Draconus, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given the btsc we shared and his suspicion of you Day 12.
fingersplints, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as fingersplints is your Circle suspect.
Golden, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given Golden considered you a suspect Day 12 here and here.
LoRab, did you recruit Dom?
S~V~S, did you recruit Dom? Haha maybe it's S~V~S!
Sorsha, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as Sorsha is your Circle suspect.

I guess it's my secret to keep.

Tranq wrote:Let me guess, the player who recruited you is dead?

No.

Tranq, I would suggest you also reconsider a lot of your "evidence". You are wrong about when I was recruited. If you knew who recruited me, I think you might change your mind.



Anyway, you probably don't care about those facts because you literally admitted to making deals with someone you know to be bad. You're either bad or really desperate. Either way, don't trust you one bit.

Baddies don't make deals to lose.

So, Tranq, should we lynch you or SVS first? Good job making me think that the Cabal was really down to one.

Tranq wrote:Yes

....you're so bad.

Golden wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Of course I am a bit paranoid about you pushing this though. If I am wrong and it isn't SVS that means it's you

Tranq is making me paranoid too. He has felt like he has an agenda for a while, to me way more than SVS does actually.

SVS is hoping we all just forget about her.

Tranq wrote:

Golden wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Of course I am a bit paranoid about you pushing this though. If I am wrong and it isn't SVS that means it's you

Tranq is making me paranoid too. He has felt like he has an agenda for a while, to me way more than SVS does actually.

My agenda is to lynch SVS as the very last baddie alive. Because imo it's the safest way to get a civ win, and because she and i made a mutual understanding

Dom post coming up!

... you made a deal with a baddie?

Sorsha wrote:I'd like to see the case/post Tranq makes about Dom and LoRab but right now I see a lot of assumptions and a few things I disagree with in his summary there.... mainly the stuff about what the possible roles are and what their secrets might be.

I definitely want to explore circle suspicions but SVS is a sure thing imo.

LoRab and Dom- who are your circle member suspicions?

FS and potentially you. I guess there's no reason to think Tranq isn't Circle aside from the TH debacle.

fingersplints wrote:Dom - do you still think I am circle? Because you seem to have dropped that

I was less convinced for a bit-- but numbers are looking like you might have to be.

Tranq, what if you're wrong and we lynch a civvie today?
If you can explain to me how the civs can win if we mislynch today, I might be on board with your plan-- but I don't see a way to do it. You have expressed a level of sureness that you think SVS is bad-- you've seemed to backed off that.

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:Either SVS NKs tonight or the circle NKs tonight-- why does it matter who? Why are you against getting a known baddie out rather than risking a mislynch?

"Known"?

How is it "known"? It is widely supposed, yes, but that is not the same as "known". It is also not true, but that is apparently besides the point with you. You were practically drooling with anticipation to lynch me when Bass flipped as he did, tbh, and I am not really sure why.

1) Your voting record.
2) Your emotional attacks on me.
3) You tried to kill splints.


Lynch SVS, and we eliminate the Cabal (maybe... unless Tranq is Cabal too, and his reluctance to lynch SVS make me think he might be). I believe SVS to be the trickster. I believe she made Floyd's lynch turn sour. She avoided voting for juliets for days, and finally voted for her after it was inevitable. She avoided voting Luke by pushing Canuck. She JUMPED on Floyd.

SVS, you have tried to emotionally manipulate me throughout my suspicion of you. You have expressed disappointment in my ability to read you. You have questioned how well I even know you. I know you well enough that this is not coming from a civvie point of view.

Lastly-- I think you tried to kill splints.

Either SVS NKs tonight or the circle NKs tonight-- why does it matter who? Why are you against getting a known baddie out rather than risking a mislynch?

Tranq wrote:

Dom wrote:So... an SVS lynch?

How about we lynch one of the two remaining Circle members before giving them the Cabal NK?

And if you're wrong about who you think is Circle... (and you are)... civs are pretty screwed, eh?
So why not just lynch the person that everyone seems to think is baddie? Are you on her team, Tranq?

Sorsha wrote:Oh look, timmer got himself off the poll again

So... an SVS lynch?

Golden wrote:Good outcome.

That should hopefully get timmer off the poll again tomorrow.

....some people have some explaining to do.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm beginning to think you're all bad.

I'm not bad though. Why didn't you vote for the bad player?

Because I think I voted for someone who will kill me if I do.

Wouldn't that be counterproductive?

No.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm beginning to think you're all bad.

I'm not bad though. Why didn't you vote for the bad player?

Because I think I voted for someone who will kill me if I do.