The Syndicate

We don't have a NK tonight, right?

LoRab wrote:so what's the general consensus of the thread?

Go after Scarecrow and then go after the final mafia to win the game?

I'd add that we should discuss mafia suspicions in the meantime, so that if there is anyone that can block, the person can be theoretically blocked.

Also, do we want to lynch the non-players before ending the game, on principle?

Who do you think the final mafia is?

I'm sorry we interpreted it differently?

Golden, you must know I'm putting pressure on you intentionally, right?

Well, that was certainly a lot.

Golden that sentence was suspect AF and you know it. You basically said you don't care if they're civs. If they are, we would be lynching a civ and losing another not-Falcone at night.

That is my point.

You are also misrepresenting why people cannot win right now. They can't win because of the Scarecrow. I don't think many cops know if their target has been killed yet.

Golden wrote:dom, if you can't see every word of that post isn't true, you only prove you, not me, are not cop.

Our current goal is to eliminate Scarecrow because many of us cannot win without eliminating each other or eliminating him. It is easier and more mutually beneficial to eliminate him. Now, you are supposing we lynch two to three people who are 100% not Scarecrow. Okay, but what is the plan there? To allow him to target more people? To allow baddies to kill more people?

Why are you for the killing of more people than is probably necessary?

Golden wrote:
LoRab wrote:@Golden: Who do you need dead to win because of Scarecrow?
Mac. I'm done. I'm pretty sure I win if Falcone dies. But I still want to help other active civs.

Which inmate are you?
Or are you Falcone?

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote: Lynching some of the absentees might not be a terrible idea. Each of them could be inmate, but they could also be townies that we no longer need to lynch their inmate equivalent.
Yes. I mean, call me cutthroat, but I don't care if equivocate or ekeknat lose the game even if they are cops.

Neither do I.

Your post has other implications that shouldn't have to be spelled out.

Enrique wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm down for lynching bad guys, but a lot of civs can't win if we end the game right now.
Do you want to risk none of them winning? I don't desperately...

It's a tricky situation, the biggest concern for me would be ending up seeing Falcone win by doing this.

Civs shouldn't lose this game (as a team) from here. If my inmate isn't dead, I'm ok with that.

But.. there probably isn't too much harm in taking out a couple of specific people if we felt they were inmates.

I would like to remind people that Catwoman is inmate 3 and Two Face is inmate 6, so there are no townies who need either of them dead to win.

We know the Joker is gone, we think Poison Ivy and the Penguin are gone. I personally think Ra's Al Ghul is gone.

That leaves us with Bane, the Riddler, Scarecrow, and Mr Freeze. Does anyone have evidence Freeze has been around recently?

Lynching some of the absentees might not be a terrible idea. Each of them could be inmate, but they could also be townies that we no longer need to lynch their inmate equivalent.

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do u agree

Golden wrote: Lynching some of the absentees might not be a terrible idea. Each of them could be inmate, but they could also be townies that we no longer need to lynch their inmate equivalent.

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm down for lynching bad guys, but a lot of civs can't win if we end the game right now.
Do you want to risk none of them winning? I don't desperately...

It's a tricky situation, the biggest concern for me would be ending up seeing Falcone win by doing this.

Civs shouldn't lose this game (as a team) from here. If my inmate isn't dead, I'm ok with that.

But.. there probably isn't too much harm in taking out a couple of specific people if we felt they were inmates.

I would like to remind people that Catwoman is inmate 3 and Two Face is inmate 6, so there are no townies who need either of them dead to win.

We know the Joker is gone, we think Poison Ivy and the Penguin are gone. I personally think Ra's Al Ghul is gone.

That leaves us with Bane, the Riddler, Scarecrow, and Mr Freeze. Does anyone have evidence Freeze has been around recently?

Lynching some of the absentees might not be a terrible idea. Each of them could be inmate, but they could also be townies that we no longer need to lynch their inmate equivalent.

I'm down for lynching bad guys, but a lot of civs can't win if we end the game right now.

Thought we wanted to find Scarecrow too?

"I think you're suspicious because you're blendy. I don't have to back up my opinion because it's subjective."
Looks like we can just vote whoever we want, without any reasons, and bingo! It's okay because reasons.

So, Golden, you gonna qualify your claim that I'm blendy or nah?

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:Unless he's Bubble's teammate
I am neither bad nor inmate, but I don't care if I'm lynched provided people listen to me and lynch you the day after.
And if I'm right about Bubbles?
Then, as you've asked like about three times and I've answered about three times, I will say you are not bad.

Once, as far as I remember.

Less than the amount of times you've asked everyone to lynch me today.

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:Unless he's Bubble's teammate
I am neither bad nor inmate, but I don't care if I'm lynched provided people listen to me and lynch you the day after.

And if I'm right about Bubbles?

Unless he's Bubble's teammate

Matt wrote:Even if Bubbles is bad, do we think she's the Scarecrow? Because I'd like to take out Scarecrow first unless Falcone plans on taking out MP soon (no offense MP).

No. I think she has BTSC.

Golden wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote: Linki, you can be pretty blendy, Bullz. I have no clue about you, either way. You could be bad, or not. :Shrug:
I'm never deliberately blendy. I think you have blendiness confused with not having a lot of time to keep up.
I haven't found you blendy this game. Take your mac suss as an example of having very clear independent views. I've found dom and lorab more blendy.

Me?
Blendy? In this game?
Qualify this statement. Back it up. Put your money where your mouth is, Golden.

Matt wrote:
Golden wrote:Lets vote Dom?
Where's Dom been? Don't tell me he's been silenced today.

Dom has posted plenty today! Dom went from teaching all day to professional development to financial aid exit counseling to class to dinner and is now home.

Golden wrote:I won't hold votes to ransom

But how about a Dom vote?

Why do you want me dead so badly?

Voting Bubbles. It's about time.

Golden has been talking out of both sides of his mouth for days LoRab. He's clearly an inmate.

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:Golden, so anyone who starts a conversation about finding a particular role isn't that particular role?
I mean I think he was genuinely targetted last night. His words sound genuine. Also, I think if someone wanted to distance themselves from being the Scarecrow they'd do it long before day 10.

I forgot he said he was targeted.

Golden, so anyone who starts a conversation about finding a particular role isn't that particular role?

It was one of my first lessons in Mafia-- taught my Illyria

I don't think Enrique is Mafia, but I think he could be inmate despite his yelling about them. Enrique has a tendency to talk about his role/role type in the thread often. i witnessed this in my first game when he repeatedly brought up the Haitian in teh thread during Heroes Mafia. HE was teh Hatian.

SVS, do you think Juliets would have targeted me if she was the Scarecrow?

I could see Enrique, DH, or Typh doing that.

Typhoony wrote:I'm having trouble thinking of who juliets would target. In my mind she is more likely to ask Epi if she can also win by not targetting anyone.
I think she would not be quick to target me or svs though.

I agree. I don't think Juliets would target SVS unless she needed to.

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:I think you are probably Falcone, yep. I don't think I can possibly nail an individual down to Scarecrow. But if I was wrong about you being Falcone, I think you are inmate at best.

You have at least done enough to convince me that a Bubbles vote isn't worth opposing. And if you pull one off and she is team Falcone, I think your push has been genuine enough that I wouldn't believe you were bussing.
I mean, I know you're kind of on my side on the bussing argument, but I also voted Sabie.
I read all your sabie/sprit stuff yesterday, when I was trying to figure out if I thought you fit the mould of Falcone. I felt like you were on the fence enough about which to vote that you were ready to go whichever way was advantageous. I think you are much more likely to have been bussing Sabie then, than you would be to be bussing Bubbles now if she came back bad.

And when both come back then? Am I some how going to be bad? Is your narrative going to shift to that I must be a terribly malicious inmate or something?

I understand how the Sabie vote could look, which is why I haven't brought it up until now, but I have only tried to hunt baddies.

Golden wrote:I think you are probably Falcone, yep. I don't think I can possibly nail an individual down to Scarecrow. But if I was wrong about you being Falcone, I think you are inmate at best.

You have at least done enough to convince me that a Bubbles vote isn't worth opposing. And if you pull one off and she is team Falcone, I think your push has been genuine enough that I wouldn't believe you were bussing.

I mean, I know you're kind of on my side on the bussing argument, but I also voted Sabie.

I'm not bad, Golden, and if you're looking for someone bad it's Bubbles.

You aren't hold a coherent theory together. First I was bad on elimination, then I was definitely Falcone, now I'm just not civ? Which is it? Whatever's most convenient for you to push?
Then with Bubbles, first she was 100% civ, and you were going to prove it and now you're conceding that the points against her are good-- or at least some of them are.

If we cannot make a concensus about who we think the Scarecrow is I will be voting for B is for Baddie Bubbles.

S~V~S wrote:Bea reads her better than I, but overall I am not seeing much of the "heh heh" baddie LoRab vibe. I will reread through her posts myself tomorrow and take a closer look.

Linki, I am not Scarecrow. Are you relying on self reporting to determine who is on the list? Why would Scarecrow be honest?

I mean, this whol discussion is rather empty in terms of evidence.

Enrique wrote:
Dom wrote:So are we gonna discuss who to lynch or idly mention names until it's time to throw a vote together?

It looks like the following is possible for Scarecrow (if we wanna go that route, and I don't think it's a bad idea):
DH
Dom
Juliets
LoRab
SVS

Just based on no's and no answers.
I'm not scarecrow. Of those, my gut tells me it might be DH, but I don't really have reasons. Maybe SVS? I'm not thinking LoRab. How many lynch votes has she missed?
Typhoony?

I meant to include him.

So are we gonna discuss who to lynch or idly mention names until it's time to throw a vote together?

It looks like the following is possible for Scarecrow (if we wanna go that route, and I don't think it's a bad idea):
DH
Dom
Juliets
LoRab
SVS

Just based on no's and no answers.
I'm not scarecrow. Of those, my gut tells me it might be DH, but I don't really have reasons. Maybe SVS? I'm not thinking LoRab. How many lynch votes has she missed?

Typhoony wrote:I have no concrete idea as to who it could be.

Not the people who haven't been here at all. Not MP.
For now I'm willing to take out of my list the people that have said before that they have been scarecrowed. I don't know who that are and I don't have time to look for it, but I'm sure somebody will.

That leaves you with a group of people that could be the Scarecrow.

i've not been scarecrowed

Juliets, I appreciate the ISO. I remember only having one negative thought on LoRab and it was something about lack of attention to detail. Her oversight was on DFaraday, but it was in regards to Bubbles... not sure how I feel about that.

Enrique wrote:What do you guys think about Matt actually going after MP instead of hunting the Scarecrow? I thought that was a good observation and not very civvie-minded to try to manipulate the thread like that.

I'm confused as to what that all meant so I was hoping Matt would come in and offer some clarification.

I suggest you read the rules to find out that Bubbles doesn't have to have been around to kill someone if her teammate is alive.

Typhoony wrote:Reason?

I'd like one too.

Bullzeye wrote:
Dom wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:You.
This is your first mention of me in my memory other than your investigation into bubbles.
Please elaborate.
I just wanted to put you on the spot and see what you'd say. I don't actually suspect you. Ultimately, I've ruled out low posters (for the time being - I don't think any of them were around to have killed Mac). I think Golden is good and have reasonably good vibes from LoRab. Everyone else is fair game as far as I'm concerned and I'd definitely like to lynch Scarecrow today if possible. Wouldn't cry if we lynched a baddie instead though.

So, Bubbles, you think is civ?

Just wondering, Bullz, are you fully reading the thread?

Bullzeye wrote:You.

This is your first mention of me in my memory other than your investigation into bubbles.
Please elaborate.

Bullz, who's bad?

That's because I have no flipping clue.

Do you have ideas for who Scarecrow might be?

Typhoony, do you think lynching Scarecrow should be on our agenda?

You're tracking Derps?

Why won't you vote Matt, Golden?

Mp, what are your thoughts?

Matt, why do you think MP is Scarecrow?

Golden, I'm not the Scarecrow. What makes you able to eliminate so many players?

I must go to bed.
I look forward to what others think on this.

Golden, you have admitted many flaws in your case that she is civ. I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing it.

5-7.

5. Oh I would have voted for the baddie, but shucks, wasn't around.

6. Very suddenly has an opinion on someone who was theorized to be bad. Votes another other person being discussed at the time. For someone not paying attention that's remarkable.

7. Is now keeping up (she had been criticized for being informed after saying that she wasn't caught up).

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