The Syndicate

I am :nod:

sig wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:46 pm HAven't bothered to read through all the drama, but maybe if the looser stopped always bitching about imbalanced or whatevers, we wouldn't have as much trouble filling games or getting new hosts.

Having said that, screw you nova this was my first scum game here in like 2 years and you killed me so early.

Great work baddie team! Y'all did amazing carrying the torch to victory and tbh I figured it was a done deal for us when I was shot so early in.
Also loved the set up and roles DDL.

Don't know if to argue or to correct spelling...

I'm done bitching because I did have fun.

But I don't like being told that my complaints are rooted in shitty play. I think epi and I both offered constructive criticism.

Especially when they have a permanent -1 in the polls.

If Mafia can block infinitely and civvies equivalent power is on a cycle (like mine), then there is zero way for me to get out of that cycle.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:30 am A mafia team that can punish civs who openly claim each other is a good thing. That's why most mafia teams have roleblocks, it's basic protection against civ role abuse.

That's why they have a kill.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:21 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:02 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm Aw. So close. But it really was a stretch for me to stand a good chance of winning this. When I subbed in the game was more or less solved and most of the popular lynch candidates weren't sparks.

In the end, if I'd had juliets lynched today, I'd have boosted Michelle's vote tonight and won with mafia by lynching the last spark tomorrow. Town had already lost the game on Day 10 unless they managed some lucky tie shenanigans, I'm assuming jack was aware of that which is why he wouldn't go for juliets. Phooey.
I would have killed Michelle at night.
Did you have a strongman kill? I can't remember. She would have blocked you but if you had a strongman it would have gotten her.

...why did she have a block too? How many blocks did you guys have?
I became an entirely useless player very quickly and you had a role check.
Like--- which baddie in their right mind isn't blocking me every single night? I couldn't block anyone every night. I couldn't protect anyone every night. I couldn't track anyone every night.

Though-- I just remembered I could have forced you to vote for yourself or Michelle for you because DDL differentiated that into a day power, not a night power.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:40 pm This game was a stomp. Mafia was much better than the civilians, as observed by how the civilians had an incredibly low scum lynch ratio.

Granted, you guys spent half the games milling through the indies, but if civs and indies only attack each other that means the mafia is doing well.

The only reason the game wasn't over by Day 8, which it should when civs are that bad at lynching mafia, is because of the Tarvek role. That role was allowed to be that good because I assumed it would be balanced by its inability to detect culted civilians. But nutella died too early so Jack was allowed to build a perfect PoE, which ended up breaching through the non-claim rule (something I allowed it to do or the role would have been pointless), and turn the endgame into a boring stalemate. Mafia was able to power through in the end because I like to ensure mafia always has the tools to shut down civilians who reveal their abilities in the open (like they did here), as well as prevent civs from beating mafia with abilities only. Civs need to lynch, and civs didn't lynch mafia in this game. At least not until Jack started monopolizing it with his role.

Juliets was one-shot BP. Big deal. So was Higgs an most of the indies. In a game with so many kills, mafia also needs kill protection. Everything in mafia's arsenal was meant to counter something the civs had.

The Take 5 Bomb was considerably more powerful. But town had a revive, which Mac could have had used but he decided to save it for later for some reason and then mafia managed to cop him and take him down before he could). And the Take 5 Bomb pratically ensured the saved mafioso would die next day, unless they pulled a huge vote fliparound, as well as blocked and silenced 2 mafiosos.

I didn't out myself. They had a role check. It was only obvious what was going on when there were literally only civs who had had BTSC left and Mafia who had btsc left. That wasn't my doing.
Baddies have significantly more information than any one civilian. And they can leverage it better. That's the trade off for fewer numbers.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:54 pm When you want to balance something, look at your game and ask yourself this:

"I am signing up for this game. Which side do I want to be on?"
Honestly, I went in thinking the civs had the highest risk of being OP.

When they can be role checked and then blocked indefinitely, nah.

I had a lot of fun though. It just became apparent that we couldn't win very quickly after I was infinitely blocked.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:13 pm Aw. So close. But it really was a stretch for me to stand a good chance of winning this. When I subbed in the game was more or less solved and most of the popular lynch candidates weren't sparks.

In the end, if I'd had juliets lynched today, I'd have boosted Michelle's vote tonight and won with mafia by lynching the last spark tomorrow. Town had already lost the game on Day 10 unless they managed some lucky tie shenanigans, I'm assuming jack was aware of that which is why he wouldn't go for juliets. Phooey.

I would have killed Michelle at night.

Baddies with a role checker and a role blocker with no double targeting rules means that a civ can never get their night kill through.

Good game.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

wut lol

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
I think we should lynch juliets.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:05 am
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:15 pm I think Juliets might be the better lynch if Quin thinks he needs her dead.
Every time I see the expression 'good lynch' or 'better lynch' my scum-meter goes crazy.

girl.
come on.

this is embarrassing.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:14 am
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:40 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:09 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:31 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:42 pm Actually...

@Dom @Quin your thoughts?
I’m down.
Why Michelle over Juliet’s?
Mostly cause Quin voted Juliets yesterday.
Are you sheeping Quin? You wanted to hung me for sheeping
i love your enthusiasm michelle, but the fact that dom and jack have townfirmed themselves to eachother is common knowledge at this point.
"townfirmed themselves to eachother" ...
I had a visible impossibility to play last day being silenced. If you ever saw scum self silencing please let me know.

GIRL

I think Juliets might be the better lynch if Quin thinks he needs her dead.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:42 pm Actually...

@Dom @Quin your thoughts?

I’m down.
Why Michelle over Juliet’s?

I'll try to be around tomorrow, but I'm a mentor teacher this year for a newbie and have events around that time

they also have zero incentive to post

lol since juliets is bad i don't think she's gonna bow out

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:01 pm I don’t really care which wolf we lynch as long as all three players I think are town vote together and ideally, the indy player votes with us as well.

So I’ll move to Juliets if Tony and Dom want to but I’m not splitting the vote 2 - 2 with 3 wolves and I think Quin needs to be voting with the town just as much as the town needs Quin voting with us.

I hope you're right.

i think baddies are freaking out and jack is busy af

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:01 pm I think because of the lynch switch there are slightly higher odds that Michelle is the baron simply because there’s a chance that that is like an automatic power or something -> it seems to not have been particularly directed because of Owner’s lynch, not sure what to make of any of that though

I'm down for that too.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:55 pm If everyone is okay with it, I can make this day phase 24 hours instead of 48, in order to speed the game up.

i don't mind.

[mention]Quin[/mention]

what up

I will say that it only further cements to me that we're on the right path.
Civvies would not have changed the lynch away from Michelle to another civvie.

I'm down to lynch either Michelle or Dyslexicon.

WTF happened yesterday though?

Lynch Dyslexicon.

Juliets?

What?
Who else?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:11 am Okay if we’re right than at this point the game comes down to Quin getting (un)lucky and fulfilling wincons at a town friendly rate and us getting lucky and killing the right scum members.
If we’re wrong than Dom will destroy us all

I wish I were bad. I would be deserving of a freakin' Socky for this performance.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:14 pm Okay I think the course of action today is to lynch Michelle

I tend to agree.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:24 am 3 scum still alive and a missed nightkill?

oh yeah, this totally isn't a LYLO setup for Michelle.

If Owner is civ, then Michelle must be bad.

I'm seeing the Jonas Brothers tomorrow night.

Wherever you are-- you will also hear my gay screams.

I'm seeing Shawn Mendes tonight.

Wherever you are-- you'll hear my gay screams

Tony, I know you said earlier that you're not sure if you can trust me. You can.
Don't try and make this more complicated than it needs to be. You don't need to make this a car with too many wheels. If you add all those axles, the vehicle can't turn.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:43 am Ok so what if everything I thought was right is wrong and I'm dumb. Trusting Jack depends on how close mafia is to a win, which I don't know how to brain with SK and also Quin being in the game.

We're borderline in LYLO

Dys-- i promise you I'm civ.

If I'm wrong about sprit it's game over anyway.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:45 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:33 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:02 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:48 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:08 pm SK should vote with town to lynch mafia today or else mafia will likely win.
The fact that we keep having one kill is really bad.
do you think the missing deaths would bring us infos? I
I’m concerned the sk is being blocked at a time they would probably be aiming for wolves.
The daily blocking looks like a plot hole in a story. From what i knew a RBer cannot block the same player twice in a row. Do you really think that the SK is RBed?

not sure ddl is playing by those rules

l o l

[VOTE: sprit] aubergine

tony-- u gotta get on this ride if you want to win.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:37 am @Dyslexicon where are you? I need a hug. Who are all these people that I'm putting trust in?

I miss your cat pictures.

What if I'm wrong about Dom and he's just been distancing from the get go....

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:16 pm It's probably Jack, Dom and Tony and we're all fucked. Ugh, I had the ickiest feeling about Jack being so buddy with me all game

no no no no no no no no no no no no

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:26 pmI'm at a loss. :/
I'm about 90% sure Dom is scum here.

do you want to win?
If so, I need you to trust me, especially if you're civ.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:24 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:26 pmI'm at a loss. :/
I'm about 90% sure Dom is scum here.
I’m willing to let Dom have tricked me it would be an honorable way to go out.

Listen, I've defended myself very well, but I am civ through and through.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:32 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:18 am tony-- should we let bygones be bygones?
I feel like i need to reconsider everything
Mafia Dom to SK Tony: Shall we team up?

Tony's not the SK.
And I'm not bad.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:57 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:37 am @Dyslexicon where are you? I need a hug. Who are all these people that I'm putting trust in?

I miss your cat pictures.

What if I'm wrong about Dom and he's just been distancing from the get go....
Why are we never on at the same time? Is it because I have a normal time zone now, cause I prefer my old one. I need you to be town cause I don't want to be wrong on you at least. I'm thinking town is fucked so whatever. I think Jack and Dom are mafia, and the last is probably Sprit but that's impossible to read cause he doesn't post. Tony likely the SK voting with scum now.

Tony would be forfeiting the game if he did that.
Think about the lack of logic going on here.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:19 pmI think Dom has been aggressive and pointedly questioning people which is what I remember of town Dom. And with Jack its just the opposite, he has not been pointed and aggressive which is how I see him when he is bad. Could one or both of them be bad? Sure. I am more reading them for tone and that can be dangerous. I am certainly taking a look at them today to make sure I'm comfortable and because I think there are one or more scum and the sk voting for me.

Right now though I am looking at Tony who is lower on my list.
Dom has been aggressive in bursts here and there, sure. And look now when scum is close to a win it's all "I don't know I'm so lost right now". If Dom and Jack are both town to you then almost everyone else should be scum. Am I scum to you? In which case why? It's like you're not paranoid at all. Are you normally this calm and shrug about games?

I'm aggressive when I have direction.
I need you to stop and think about what you're doing here.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:53 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:19 pmI think Dom has been aggressive and pointedly questioning people which is what I remember of town Dom. And with Jack its just the opposite, he has not been pointed and aggressive which is how I see him when he is bad. Could one or both of them be bad? Sure. I am more reading them for tone and that can be dangerous. I am certainly taking a look at them today to make sure I'm comfortable and because I think there are one or more scum and the sk voting for me.

Right now though I am looking at Tony who is lower on my list.
Dom has been aggressive in bursts here and there, sure. And look now when scum is close to a win it's all "I don't know I'm so lost right now". If Dom and Jack are both town to you then almost everyone else should be scum. Am I scum to you? In which case why? It's like you're not paranoid at all. Are you normally this calm and shrug about games?
I am definitely paranoid and I'm forcing myself to be calm so I can read through the people I need to read through. My mission was to decide between you and Owner and Tony but I understand what you are saying, that I ought to reconsider whether I am wrong about one or both of Dom and Jack. I'm doing the best that I can with the time that I have.

Reading through Tony I'm seeing a lot of philosophical and theoretical arguments other than a suspicion of Dom that seems odd - based on his meta but before he read games to understand his meta. And it seems the ones he chose were not the best (at least according to Dom). He's also voting for me so is in the suspect pool. I am dropping him from my town list.

...I truly know you're bad now.

"Wow Dom played nice all game, he lynched everyone I wanted him to lynch. He realizes how wrong he was now. Let's turn on him."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:16 pm I know the answer is to actually iso Owner, Juliets and Dys and vote off Sprityo but I’m not looking forward to that first thing.

@TonyStarkPrime @Dom @juliets @Owner of a Lonely Heart @Dyslexicon

Can we agreed to lynch/bus Sprityo?

Sprityo not caring means he’s not the sk. Him continuing to post exactly once means he doesn’t want to be blocked. That means he has a partner to send in his action. If he was town, he wouldn’t know what to do with his power or care about getting modkilled given the amount of care he shows in his posts.

He is exactly a wolf. Can we all agree on that?

And if i am somehow wrong this is the best way to lose cause we can throw tomatoes at him and call him a game thrower and blame the crests.

I'm okay with that...

I'm not around much tomorrow folks.

bullsuit

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:02 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:48 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:08 pm SK should vote with town to lynch mafia today or else mafia will likely win.
The fact that we keep having one kill is really bad.
do you think the missing deaths would bring us infos? I

it seems you know who the SK is.

Michelle, please elaborate on that. I'm unsure as to what you mean.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:09 am
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:11 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:06 am Ok, they both look bad to me but I give Michelle the edge over timmer. Have to vote now -

Also Quin thanks for answering my question, meditative noises lol.
juliets-- you've managed to be on the losing side of every lynch.
Why's that?
I'm not sure what you mean by "losing end" of every vote.

Day 1 I voted for Rej. So did you, so did timmer, so did Drago. The Rej lynch prevailed. Does that mean I was on the losing end?

Day 2 I voted Dragomir along with Tony. The vote was tied between Lunalee and nutella. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

Day 3 I voted Lunalee who was lynched along with a bunch of other people including you. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

Day 4 I voted Creature who tied with sable. This vote is one where I would say I was on the losing end because sabie was bad. I walked through this vote of mine in a lengthy post earlier this game, there is nothing else I can say about it.

Day 5 I voted sabie. The counter wagon was timmer. sabie was bad, timmer was civ. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

Day 6 I voted Michelle while a bunch of others including you voted timmer who was civ. Was I on the losing end of that vote?

I realize I voted for some civs, but is there anyone here who has not? I don't know who is good and who is bad, I'm just using my best judgement at the time I vote. I think it is unfair for you to say I was on the losing end of every vote because I wasn't.

You've managed to avoid a lot of blood on your hands is all.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:21 am I have to go to the dentist now and then rehab. I will be back mid afternoon. If you are voting for me I hope you read my iso. I don't have time now to go through every reason you guys used but I will do that this afternoon.

Diction is everything.
What a choice of words there...

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:45 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:43 am If Juliets is town, we are just super unlucky.
If juliets is town, at least one scum is already voting for her.

---
Though I think the world where sprityo is town would be be way more unlucky

...only a baddie would know that...
There are four civilians left.
Owner, Dom, Tony, Jack, Quin. are on juliets.

Given quin's status, how do you know that of four players, one is bad?
Do tell.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:34 am as someone who is also too engrossed in fire emblem to participate properly i can assure you sprityo is the SK

can't tell if serious.

i think the vote analysis looks bad for juliets

i'm not confident on dys or owner at all in any alignment.

/owner?

def don't trust her over dys

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