The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:Did Dom just post? I must've missed it. Site must be messed up or something.

Have fun everyone.

Epignosis wrote:

Loulou26 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Loulou26 wrote:Hedge is bad? Can you tell me why? Is it cos she survived the night kill?

She's bad because you don't read the thread.

Well was that really necessary? I read the thread, I was asking for YOUR opinion but I guess that would be too much work.

What the hell? Too much work? I gave my opinion. I actually spent an hour putting that first big post together. And I just reposted my opinion. Would you like me to post it for a third time? I really don't understand what you want.

If you're looking for a summary, you won't get one from me. If you did read the thread, you would know my opinion regarding Hedgeowl quite clearly.

In summary, I don't believe you, Dom or Eloh actually read shit.

Actually, Epig, I do. Sometimes, though, the site glitches (or maybe I'm fucking up), and the thread doesn't start where I left off and I don't notice. It will skip a few posts. Your posts must have been a part of that, as I don't remember ever seeing them.
However, I have a question about this. Do you think this is really indicative of a baddie Hedgeowl? Do you think a baddie Hedgeowl would act like that? I think it's possible. But I don't know. I didn't see this Hedgie in LOST Mafia where we were bad together.

Spacedaisy wrote:Yes, in a lynch where votes were obviously not unified the best shot of unifying enough voters to save him would be to vote out someone who is clearly not participating. It would have been their best shot to save him and still try to avoid being obvious.

I think you have a good observation, SD.

Elohcin wrote:He reads the thread And he'd like you to elaborate on you Hedge theory...as would I.

Epignosis wrote:

Loulou26 wrote:Hedge is bad? Can you tell me why? Is it cos she survived the night kill?

She's bad because you don't read the thread.

I do.
Can you elaborate? I'm not convinced and I'm intrigued.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

bea wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Effective now, Bea has replaced Summer. Everyone welcome Bea!

Welcome, Bea! I'll miss Summer though, she seemed like a cool player for the little time she was around.

Still no WOG or substitute WOG 0_0

Thanks TH! Nice to see you playing again!!


Can anyone help a sista out? I'll admit - I've been drinking and football and cooking today so my ability to mafia today begins and ends with this post. I have NO idea what's going on. But I'm off tomorrow and can play catch up - anyone that could give me crib notes would be like so so so awesome. It's N5 of a full game. Please help me cull the reading

Hedgeowl is bad. The end.

Epilogue: So was MP, so you can read his posts with that in mind.

Jerk

I am not bad or the SK. I gotta admit you are having a terrible game for lynching civs Epi. First of all, me declaring my intentions in my first posts of looking at top posters (it was the top 10 btw, not 11 since Mongoose was dead) and voting for one, you btw, is not ok apparently. But you declaring you will vote for k4j and then saying you never suspected him is fine. And how is your vote not trying to help "save" MP? You were in the thread with everyone discussing the best way to "save" MP. You even saw 2 of his 4 tells you claimed and you trusted him. TH came up with WOG as a good vote option and explained his reasons and you were the 2nd voter! So, how is it not possible that you could have been trying to save him? Your "case" on me is grasping a lot and you still didnt answer any of my questions.

Pot meet kettle, is the phrase you have used before sir.

I can definitely thank you that I will not be targeted for an NK tonight though.

Welcome Bea!!

Linki - Yep, voting record Epi = shittastic

So, you think epi's track record this game exonerates you?

Also, SO SO SO SO SO SOS OSOSOSOSSOSOSOOOO happy to see Bea back <3

I remember *night hides* posts :P

kneel4justice wrote:A lot of people seemed to agree with the idea that KSITERS were too fast on MP, Dom said "This" to Devin's post.
Then Mongoose even agreed that MP was lynched often, but she is a known townie so I do not know how to take these comments obviously they're not all scummy.

MP had me fooled. :/

I don't think Epig does though

just wondering.
have you been keeping up?

Mongoose wrote:Wut.

Did you know you were coming back before the night post was posted?

Bullzeye wrote:Thanks HHH. Not like this was the only game I'll be able to play til July, or possibly later, and I'd been looking forward to it for months or anything

:(:(

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Yeah I'm not sure what to think about you anymore either, Dom

wait, were you actually suspicious of me?

Hedgeowl wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Really? You think the SK would be so obvious? I would think it wouldnt be a smart move to kill someone who directly suspects you, especially for that role. Lizzy certainly has her own style, but she's a damn fine baddie/indie usually. Your encouraging others to vote for Lizzy on this basis makes me you for the first time Boomer.

I'm glad I'm not alone in suspecting Boomslang

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I voted Mp I really feel like there is something up with the way he keeps throwing out people names but always leaves away out if he is wrong. Like when he kept saying he didn't trust SVS but now it seems like he does really thinks she's bad at all. I just find it kinda suspicious.

I really don't see a baddie Bass saying this.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Waht?!



You had me fooled, MP, in two games most likely.

I'll probably die tonight(s), so let's lynch an SVS or Devin tomorrow. Maybe Dom or LouLou too.

Why me?


It's nice to see that the person who campaigned against me the hardest was baddie.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

Interesting choice of words, Boomslang.

*votes SVS*
I never planned on or said I planned on voting Epig while he was insanified.

I'm not Boomslang, but I didn't read his post that way, personally -- I read it just as him talking about the prospect of going for Epig while insanified would be a low blow, not that he said you were planning on it. He or others can correct me if I'm wrong though.

My comment on his choice of words is entirely independent from the insanification bit.

MovingPictures07 wrote:God, that's such an absurd notion -- right, like you and most of the other players in this game have actually been contributing more to discussing suspicions than I have.

Did one of your teammates tell you how easy it is to get me lynched, Bass?

I'm not seeing baddie bass this game, are you?

lol dev

Boomslang wrote:Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

Interesting choice of words, Boomslang.

*votes SVS*
I never planned on or said I planned on voting Epig while he was insanified.

Which is worse: being killed on Christmas or your birthday?

what did i just do???

@SVS: :politegiggle:

@MP: This argument is a giant, "NO!" "YES!!!" argument. Which inclines me to think that it's probably civ on civ. I will always have my eye on you, though. You're wrong about me and there's no point to another giant post. I just fundamentally disagree with you on the facts.

But, MP, I was not offended by the use of the word antagonizing. Not at all. I was saying that isn't what was going on. MP, I play a very question heavy game, and you know that. I typically grill players. So, why are you surprised I'm asking Epig questions?

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:WEll, Epi, that was fun while it lasted.

Fuck obligor.

For real. I didn't do this to you. But I find it extremely humorous.

WEll, Epi, that was fun while it lasted.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:WOW Dom What a reply . I have never seen Dom's civ game but I have seen his baddie game twice and that last post of your's is making me "eye ball you" lol

orly

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote: I think your reasons for suspecting SVS are kind of bad. I think there are other reasons to suspect her, and it makes me you.

Lol, well, that's sort of why I've reconsidered -- I realized my read on S~V~S was due to just interpretations of intentions, rather than any actual hard evidence.

What's your reasoning then? I looked back at your posts since I wanted to revisit them and you only mention S~V~S being suspicious because she is too agreeable with Epig, and you seemed to have also antagonized Epig quite a lot, saying that you think he's bad. Despite that...

Your first three posts don't talk about suspects, then there's these...

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 385#p44385 You ask Mongoose who she's looking at.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 559#p44559 Here you say you're going to be looking at those perseverating on the cultural differences between here and KSite.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 589#p44589 Same as above.

Now here's where it gets interesting:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 709#p44709 Here you say first you weren't buying the Mongoose case, but you say she wasn't liking the way she was responding to Epig, at all. Then you said S~V~S brings up an excellent point and you say you'd vote for Mongoose if you had to vote right then.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 711#p44711 You ask Epig if he still thinks K4J is suspicious.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 737#p44737 This post seems opportunistic to me.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 096#p45096 Busy post, understandably.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 107#p45107 Now here you suddenly change your tune about Epig, saying he seems dismissive, but you don't suspect him directly -- then you ask me what I think of him. You do say you "feel a bit stronger" about Epig yet you NEVER mentioned him before that.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 108#p45108 You apologize for missing the vote.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 375#p45375 Confusion post.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 484#p45484 Here you say you'll probably vote Epig, even though you haven't even said what makes him bad at all.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 943#p45943 Here you finally elaborate on why Epig is bad: backpedaling on Mongoose suspicion (which makes no sense, he voted for her twice); dropped his K4J suspicion (he obviously was doing that just to elicit a reaction); you say civvie Epig doesn't do this. But he does. Then you add that SVS is also probably bad because she is too agreeable with Epig.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 968#p45968 Here he says similar thing -- SVS is mirroring suspicions from Epig, which somehow makes them both bad. He also says Epig doesn't seem like his "normal" civvie self, yet doesn't explain what that is, other than saying he points out contradictions... which is something I think he HAS been doing this game.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 983#p45983 More antagonizing of Epig, saying arrogance drips from his post. Epig questions how Dom knows what's normal for him, but his responses aren't satisfactory.

In fact:

Epignosis wrote:But for those of you who prefer I "act like a civ" (whatever that means), I'll show that Dom is speaking from somewhere other than his mouth (or fingertips). Observe:

1. "Epig is probably bad."

Again, the use of the term "probably" is unwarranted.

2. "He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard."

Would anyone like to confirm this? I'm pretty sure I stuck by my Mongoose suspicion. By, you know, actually voting for her. After I had considered several angles for quite some time, asking for clarification, and listening to what others had to say.

3. "He dropped his K4J suspicion."

Dropped it? Show me where. I challenge you.

4. "Civvie epig doesn't do this."

Dom has hosted me once. I was Night killed first. I'm not sure what makes him an authority on my "civvie" game, a claim that is even more astonishing...since I don't have a "civvie" game.

5. "He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him."

If you throw pasta to the wall and it sticks, then you have probably...

Sorry, I already told you this. Good luck with your linguine, Felix.

Epig makes some really good points here. I didn't realize how well-illustrated it was until I went back and saw that Dom just appears to be suspicion mongering.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 988#p45988 More Epig v. Dom back and forth. Epig responds adequately, and then Dom says

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 012#p46012 "Point taken".

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 128#p46128 Here he asks S~V~S to explain how the suspicion against her is purely tone -- and yet ALL that Dom has said is that she seems too agreeable with Epig. Literally. Before this post, that's really it, only saying that over and over in slightly different ways.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 486#p46486 And THEN there's his most recent post. He says he thinks Epig is most certainly not a townie, says my reasons for suspecting SVS are bad, and that his reasons are better, and so that makes me baddie, apparently. One other antagonizing jab at Epig.


Now, with all of that being said, Dom, you've missed every single vote, and you haven't said anything about anyone else. Do you have any other thoughts?

I actually find Dom way more suspicious after re-reading him. He just antagonizes Epig with almost all of his posts and I don't see any real explanation of what makes him bad -- Epig always acts this same way and Dom seems to just blindly ignore this. Add to this fact that Dom blended in and agreed with Epig on his Mongoose case, I think Dom looks really bad, actually.

Why didn't I do this earlier?

Other red name re-reads to follow...

HOLD UP BUDDY
First of all, very interesting a monster post about me emerges when I say I'm starting to eye you for reasons I think are stupid to suspect SVS for. I have apologized for missing the votes. I really hate it when this happens to me, and it's happened to me as both alignments. I've been extraordinarily busy this week(s). I feel like shit for missing the votes, but I just keep forgetting I am in games until I get home and when I start my read, I have six or so pages to read up on.
One thing that I don't think is fair is that you characterize my discussion of Epig as antagonizing. That choice in diction is very deliberate, MP. I don't want you to bullshit me. I don't think that's a fair characterization at all.
I don't think Epig made very good points at all, actually. He just jabbed at me for my use of "probably" and for fucking up a use of a metaphor. He made one point that I accepted, but I don't think Epig is on a civ friendly game. I do think that Epig's posts have been saturated with arrogance this entire game (most games, but it feels more bloated this game). I don't think my suspicion came out of no where at all, MP. I don't think my suspicion was sudden. I think you fail to see my questioning of whether he still suspected K4J as the inklings of my suspicion of Epig.

I don't think my case on SVS is completely based on tone. I think SVS's tendency to suspect who Epig suspects this game might mean she is on an opposite baddie team than him. I think she doesn't want him to suspect her.

"Just antagonizes"
MP that's a pretty gross generalization. I have explained that I think Epig's sudden drop of K4J after vowing to vote for him the second he could is very strange for Epig. I have, in more than one game, seen Epig do something just like that. I find this suspect. I also think his responses to my suspicions have been very flippant and dismissive, which doesn't bode well with me. How exactly does this suspicion make me bad?
I also don't really see where I agreed with the Mongoose case?

I also never said you were a baddie. i said I had my eye on you for those reasons. That's a far cry from what you are saying. Cut the bullshit, Alex. You do this a a civvie and a baddie, but honestly, I never said anything remotely close to that. Don't pretend I did.

In short, Alex, this post was very unfair to me. You grossly mischaracterized several of my posts, made very large generalizations, and made shit up. I never said I "thought you must be a baddie" or anything of the sort. I said I had my eye on you.
I question Epig-- that's antagonizing.
Epig questions anyone and everyone-- that's playing Mafia.
Explain to me the difference, MP. How am I "antagonizing" Epig? How is Epig not "antagonizing" others? Why are you so fond of this word? Because of its negative connotations? Because you just want me gone, out of this game?

LINKI:
Epig, why are you okay with a lynch on me? Because I disagree with you? I don't really see your train of thought there.
I also have noted that your record in this game has sucked. Not any better than mine because by not voting, I have essentially endorsed every lynch, and I feel terrible, but this makes me feel uneasy about you. I've never seen your track record this bad, as a civ. You always throw stuff out there, but you never contradict yourself. And backing out of a vote the way you did is something you would pounce on someone for. This makes me all the more uneasy.
So, MP, explain to me, please, how the hell I have nothing of substance. I have two suspicions I feel very passionately about that I plan on voting for. I just have fucked up big time with lynches in every game I'm in. I actually just forgot I'm in Timmer's game on RM...

Anyway, MP, you have plenty of people with zero substance. Plenty. If that's why you're looking at me, you're making no sense.

kneel4justice wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm pissed. I just missed the lynch in the other game after staying up late and waiting for people to come in and talk or vote. Now I just want to go to sleep and I don't know who to vote for. None of the contributing people, who have votes on them, are ones I feel comfortable voting for, and I don't want my vote to go to waste.
Now, since I think SVS is a baddie in the other game, I'm trying to think maybe I'm wrong about her in this game I'm going to wait with voting for her and go with someone else for today.

I'm going with Elo, because her vote for Devin seems completely out of no where

Did you vote yet? Maybe us KSITE players can put our heads together. Do you think Epig is a townie?

I certainly don;t

Loulou26 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:But for those of you who prefer I "act like a civ" (whatever that means), I'll show that Dom is speaking from somewhere other than his mouth (or fingertips). Observe:

1. "Epig is probably bad."

Again, the use of the term "probably" is unwarranted.

2. "He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard."

Would anyone like to confirm this? I'm pretty sure I stuck by my Mongoose suspicion. By, you know, actually voting for her. After I had considered several angles for quite some time, asking for clarification, and listening to what others had to say.

3. "He dropped his K4J suspicion."

Dropped it? Show me where. I challenge you.

4. "Civvie epig doesn't do this."

Dom has hosted me once. I was Night killed first. I'm not sure what makes him an authority on my "civvie" game, a claim that is even more astonishing...since I don't have a "civvie" game.

5. "He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him."

If you throw pasta to the wall and it sticks, then you have probably...

Sorry, I already told you this. Good luck with your linguine, Felix.

Interesting, I hadn't paid him much attention till this post. Now I'm thinking I need to go and look at his posts. Cos what you're saying here does make him seem suspicious.

What exactly are you talking about?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

Agreed here.

I'm torn because I understand the metagaming reasons to vote Vomps out (if you're not being a helpful civvie, why even play?), BUT, wrathofgod still has not even posted once and no one is even talking about her. Why not vote there either? And then add in the reasons you state above; it just removes all accountability.

Vomps is just as statistically likely to be baddie as anyone else playing, but I just get the feeling he hasn't really invested himself (yet) in this game, so he's making himself an easy target. Whether he's doing it to fuck with all of us because he's baddie or whether he's just doing it because he's a lost civvie who loves being zany, I do not know, and it's always so hard to tell with him. I feel he is being especially more elusive this game for some reason, but maybe it's because he's playing two games at once and there's a bunch of people he doesn't know. Now that I think about it, I do notice he tends to come out of his shell and play a bit more traditionally when he knows the players quite well and when it's a smaller group, but... even then, there's sometimes not at all a method to his madness.

Anyway, rambling done. What are you thinking, K4J; where's your vote going for sure, do you know?

I really want to vote S~V~S... honestly, she's still my #1. But I really hate spread out votes because they open votes up to baddie manipulation and we already have a spread vote here AND I like discussing out suspicions with others to see what they are thinking AND I am just now beginning to consider I may be wrong, so... you going to vote S~V~S or someone else?

I think I still will, but I'm trying to consider all of the options. There are a few others that have acted in ways that have proven very possibly worthy of votes, IMO (Russ comes to mind).

I think your reasons for suspecting SVS are kind of bad. I think there are other reasons to suspect her, and it makes me you.

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Elochin: Your votes are kind of weird, and you don’t have much to say. Why, can you explain is this your normal way of operating? I think you just pop in and vote. I need more actual material if you are a townie. Do you usually hunt more apparently or just vote?

Elohcin isn't bad.

orly

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:MP, I am slightly confused. You say Ross is in character, but then go onto list things that are suspicious. Isn't that a contradiction? Are you trying to play me? You're even doubting SVS right when I doubt her! It feels like you're watching me and flowing accordingly, which I don't know why you'd find that beneficial since all I am is a new player here and you probably don't need to worry about deceiving me as much as others who know you but still...am I missing things and making this up?

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you. I realize that doesn't make much sense now that you respond to it that way... let me elaborate. It is not a contradiction. He has been in character in the manner in which he has been posting, although a bit quieter (though he is out of town). The tone and general mannerisms of his posts are very normal, and even some of the content is as well.

However, his actions themselves are what are suspicious. He typically puts a lot of thought into his decisions, and even though he may elicit trust and give trust, civvie Russ comes across as more cautious IMO. The way he bandwagoned right onto Epig's supicion of Mongoose and then the way he just plops a vote onto Epig today, as well as the way he shifted viewpoints about me so quickly, THOSE behaviors strike me as quite odd from him, and his normal behaviors nonwithstanding, certainly pingworthy.

The only reason I hesitate is that I'm afraid maybe he's just a really distracted civvie.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying about the second part of your post. I find it weird though you apparently accuse me of flowing with you when I was first doubting an SVS vote and thinking through it, asked you what you thought, and then you said you'd vote Russ, even though you previously explained you thought SVS was suspicious.

Thanks for explaining.
I honestly don't know how to explain what I am trying to say, sorry. It just came across to me like you were looking at my thoughts and following them. Like when I said SVS's post made me doubt her guilt, you said you were doubting her guilt as well. Things like that. Though, you may have said them before and I just missed it all. If that's the case, I am sorry. I haven't read everything this game. I tend to browse and pick up on what I find suspicious.

No problem! It's okay, no worries. Oh, okay, I think I get what you're saying now. Honestly I just am not 100% sure of anything right now and I suppose it would be difficult or near impossible to be even close, lol. I really did feel SVS was bad, and I still think she probably is, but I did say her most recent response to me was genuine, so maybe you missed that post. I understand that, there's a LOT to read!! It's been intense, actually.

I find your commentary has been incredibly insightful, even if you have tried to start suspicion on me more than once apparently now.

Careful the way you use probably. Epig might decide to attack you for it for literally no reason because he has nothing else.

sorry for being absent. work has been absolute nuts (I work in retail).

S~V~S wrote:So you are falling back on tone? How lame, lol. You and Dom both, actually. K4J has a reason at least, although i have explained the reasoning behind my suspicion of Mongoose umpteen times. Perhaps she does not like conflict and that was why she kept trying to change the subject when i was trying to pin something down in her responses.

I have said it several times, and my story is not going to change since it is the truth.

Explain to me how my suspicion against you is purely tone.

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Matahari, and welcome Hedgeowl! Very weird that the baddies took out Mata, I was definitely going to be looking her way today.

I don't find myself suspicious of Epi or SVS at the moment. I think that might be civvie on civvie. Is it weird that Devin is asking to be lynched? Does he normally do that?

Vompatti has voted for himself (herself?) twice. A Person has done the same thing.

Do you think Epi and SVS suspect each other?

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:So I decided to procrastinate by looking at the people who voted Mongoose and the first thing I notice is that about half of her voters had 10 posts or less: Lizzy (10), Russ (9), Elo (4), Dex (5), DP (7). Just caught my eye because it seems like some of them could just be trying to fly low and throw votes onto an easy target, knowing she was probably going to be lynched no matter what.

I was wondering how long I was playing Mafia, and I looked up my first game at LP, Martian Mafia. Out of this whole big 30 player list, and that whole big 30 player list, only you, me & Turnip head played all three. Lots of people come and gone, eh? I got killed like Night One I think, lol.

Wow, what a stat! I believe I died on Night 1 of that game too lol. My first game was The Office mafia on LP, almost 4 years ago. I think of this player list, only Daisy and I were in that one :O

My first game was Heroes Mafia on LP. Totally horrible baddie game.... *takes notes*.... lol

Epignosis wrote:1. What? I use a spreadsheet when I'm hosting. When playing, I did so on two occasions (Grimm's and Supernatural). I was bad in the former and good in the latter. I am not using a spreadsheet right now. Are you telling me you have a spreadsheet / list of alive roles / observations on NIGHT 2 to tell who is likely what role?

2. I didn't give you the reaction you wanted? Sorry...

3. Voting for someone else is better than, you know, not voting at all.

4. Fine.

5. My last stage role was my favorite: Vinnie from the same play.

Point taken, but to be fair, I missed the votes in your game too. :P

Epignosis wrote:1. Of course you think your observations point to me being bad. They don't change probability. Casinos make a fortune on people's observations regarding probability.

2. Doesn't address my response. Your comment shifts to people "latching onto" my case. To be clear: Despite my failure regarding Mongoose, I still hope people latch onto my cases, just as I'm sure you hope people will latch onto yours.

3. Doesn't mean I dropped my suspicion. You even asked me about her.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I voted Mongoose. Rest easy k4j.

Do you still find k4j suspicious?

Little bit, yeah.

My suspicion of Mongoose overshadowed my suspicion of kneel4justice. I only get one vote.

4. I give you permission to say whatever isn't constructive that you need to say. The host or mod might not.

5. I figured you, a theater fan, would appreciate the humor.

1. So, you've never looked at a spreadsheet or list of alive roles etc. and used observations and such to decide who is likely what role? Based on YOUR observations? Riiiiight.
2. No. drifts to how you reacted to this.
3. i am aware. But It has perturbed me that you didn't vote her like you said you would.
4. I don't give myself permission.
5. I didn't see that last line with the reference...

Epignosis wrote:
You know what's normal for me? Cool. I pull different shit all the time. Like spending an entire game posting in video game quotes.

No one will ever figure me out. I intend to keep it that way.

Arrogance drips form this post.
You hardly spent the entire game talking in video game quotes after I decided you being alive wasn't in my best interest.
Stop flattering yourself. You point out contradictions in nearly every game. That's what you do.

Epignosis wrote:But for those of you who prefer I "act like a civ" (whatever that means), I'll show that Dom is speaking from somewhere other than his mouth (or fingertips). Observe:

1. "Epig is probably bad."

Again, the use of the term "probably" is unwarranted.

2. "He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard."

Would anyone like to confirm this? I'm pretty sure I stuck by my Mongoose suspicion. By, you know, actually voting for her. After I had considered several angles for quite some time, asking for clarification, and listening to what others had to say.

3. "He dropped his K4J suspicion."

Dropped it? Show me where. I challenge you.

4. "Civvie epig doesn't do this."

Dom has hosted me once. I was Night killed first. I'm not sure what makes him an authority on my "civvie" game, a claim that is even more astonishing...since I don't have a "civvie" game.

5. "He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him."

If you throw pasta to the wall and it sticks, then you have probably...

Sorry, I already told you this. Good luck with your linguine, Felix.

1. I disagree. I think my observations of your behavior points to you being bad. That changes the pure role probabilities.
2. Really? You didn't say you were a little unsettled by the latching onto your case? If I am misremembering this, please, point it out to me. I caught up quite rapidly.
3. Show me where you voted for K4J like you said you would.
4. I have nothing to say about this that would be constructive.
5. How belting of you.

Epig, I don't think SVS is on your team. I just think you are both bad.

S~V~S wrote:What? Did you read the part where i called him rude, lol? Epi & I can tend to react poorly to each others style. After i called him names this was brought to my attention by, um, a moderating party, lets say. So he & i both are tip toeing a bit. Not totally sure if i should even be discussing this tbh, but since I am being called out for being nice to Epi, I feel i kinda have to.

i think Epi is not bad, actually.

I didn't mean "nice". Sorry for the confusion. I mean that you seem to just agree with whatever suspicion he brings up. That's how I'm reading you. Far too agreeing with his thoughts. I have noticed you two have butted heads, but I think you don't want him to think you are bad so much you are mirroring a lot of his suspicions.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:holy shit that was a huge catch up. i had an incredibly busy end of the week, and just didn't read for a while. i'm sorry guys.

Sorsha wrote:

Dom wrote:I think I'll probably vote Epig.

Can you please eloborate?


Nice post on bullz, Epi.

Epig is probably bad.
He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard. He dropped his K4J suspicion. Civvie epig doesn't do this. He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him.

The longer you cook pasta, the gummier it gets. If you throw pasta at the wall and it sticks, it's probably overcooked, not undercooked.

Dom wrote:SVS is also probably bad... she's way too agreeable with Epig of rmy liking.

By this point, I'm thinking the word "probably" probably doesn't mean what you think it means.

As of this moment, there is a 32% chance that I am on one of the two bad teams. There's a 10% chance that both S~V~S and I are on one of the two bad teams. There's a 3% chance we're both on The Arrogant Heels team. There's a 2% chance we're both on The Corporation team.

Even if I've failed at math here, all of these scenarios are decidedly improbable.

So, instead of actually discussing what I said about you, you explain to me my incorrect preconceptions of cooking pasta (something I have only done once) and epically fail at math (something I am very passionate about) because I never said I think you two are on the same team.

Oh how dismissive, Epig. Not your normal, "look at the contradiction" Epig, though.

holy shit that was a huge catch up. i had an incredibly busy end of the week, and just didn't read for a while. i'm sorry guys.

Sorsha wrote:

Dom wrote:I think I'll probably vote Epig.

Can you please eloborate?


Nice post on bullz, Epi.

Epig is probably bad.
He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard. He dropped his K4J suspicion. Civvie epig doesn't do this. He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him.

Epignosis wrote:I'll let others talk- I've said plenty.

orly?

Summer wrote:

Summer wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Summer wrote:

Loulou26 wrote:I'm just gonna vote for MR. I don't feel confident enough to vote for Mongoose and the people bandwaggoning on that concern me. But MR's posts tonight didn't sit well with me.

I agree. If nothing changes, I will vote for him, too. I didn't like how ready with the defense he was over his vote for K4J. I haven't seen anything I find really suspicious about Mongoose, so I disagree with the votes on her and if I remember correctly, MR was in that little nest somewhere, too. I saw a conversation between you and Turnip Head that shed some light on that.

ohhai (kneel4justice) kinda suspects MR

I'm going to be straight up and say I don't know why he voted for you, I haven't found the reason he voted for, not even gonna pretend like I can make a logical analysis on why he voted for you because I don't know, haven't read it, but I did not like how he seemed to be expecting and ready for someone to find it suspicious. That felt like prime scum. Could he still be suspicious if he took the time to explain it to Lou why he was voting her? Well, yes, because maybe then it might look like he was trying to win her over, but he just assumed she was finding him suspicious. MAJOR RED FLAG. I also remember his interaction with Mongoose and what I read between Turnip Head and Lou about the part he played in that so that has me suspicious, too. But before I vote, I want to see his reaction to this.

EBWOP: ...why he was voting to her?

is this a phrase used on KSITE, and if not, where did you learn this phrase?


SVS is also probably bad... she's way too agreeable with Epig of rmy liking.

I think I'll probably vote Epig.

I'm really confused as to what just happened.

I also apologize for missing the vote, but I have two finals tomorrow :/ forgive me

Loulou26 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I mean, really. She said she thinks Epi must know shes a civ. Yet he votes for her anyhow.

How could she think he's civvie? But she keep waffling on this point. WHY would she think that a civvie who knows shes a civvie would vote for her in that fashion?

Linki, more green, lol

So are you thinking she's a baddie? Or he is?

Maybe both.
However, I feel a little bit stronger about Epig.

Epignosis wrote:
Staged?

Me taking up thread attention...makes me bad...

I love new folks.

How dismissive of you...
Please, explain your ethos and logos in this post.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Crap, I'm afraid I properly won't catch up in time.

Anyway, I was thinking Summer, Dom, or S~V~S before I left, honestly. Probably will go one of those ways because I don't want to touch Epig or Mongoose (also I don't get why Elo has two votes?). Summer seems really noncommittal to me in a fake sort of way, whereas Dom and S~V~S seemed to be manipulating the thread more than anyone else, honestly, but of course that comes down to my perception -- none of these things are that strong at all, but so far (on page 11), I haven't seen anything else that has struck me.

I do think TH made some good points about Summer and I might just go that way.

Is there anyone else around who hasn't voted??

I'm gonna say that I don't feel like I'm manipulating the thread at all... I've hardly had time to really post.
What do yo think of Epig?

Hey guys I'm currently on page 12 of my catch up. Sorry! I think I'll miss the poll because I refuse to vote without reading the whole thread.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:I have seriously no idea. This is all greek to me!
So, apparently the towers is HQ, so I'm just going with that.

This!!

I've played with you before, CBK, and I'm sorry to bring attention to you for this IF it doesn't mean a thing.

But this single post stood out to me among all of the giberish that has spilled out into this thread. You know who resides in the WWE HQ? The McMahans! And the Rock according to Epig's video. Despite DF having said that noone had info on the Day 0 poll, this feels like something a McMahan would say. So unfortunately MP will not be getting my vote today.

*votes*

So, the host lied to us?

Epignosis wrote:I voted Mongoose. Rest easy k4j.

Do you still find k4j suspicious?

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Now that I am caught up!!! I'm not sure about Mongoose. I feel like every time this happens with her we end up roasting a civ goose... But go ahead. I'd be interested in seeing the result

At first, I wasn't buying the Mongoose case...
But I don't like how she's been responding to Epig-- at all. I also think SVS brought an excellent point up about trying to deflect everything into the Off Topic. If I had to vote now, it'd be for Mongoose.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Devin and I know each other IRL, so it's very likely a playful jab at me. Not sure it tells me anything about Devin at all.

In fact, if I had to guess right now at gunpoint, I'd lean civvie on Devin based on his post content. But he's an outstanding (and crazy) player, so I always keep my eye on him whenever we have the pleasure (is that the right word?) of playing together.

Fair enough, like I said I'm not really suspicious of him. His comments just kinda caught my eye in a "that's an odd thing to admit to" kinda way.

And you think I'm way noisier as a civ? Interesting. I generally think my posting frequency mostly depends on what's going on for me IRL, but I don't know.

Could just be coincidence but yeah. I'm mentally comparing Homestar Runner to games like Mario and Video Game Mafia. You've been quiet when we've been baddies together basically, and I judge people's baddie games mostly off times I've been bad with them.

Linki - I agree! I'd love to hear from all of those people.

Hmmm... interesting point. There's also MOTU though where I was baddie and posted like hell, but I suppose that game was different than most of my baddie games.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, I want to get some of the no-shows (so far) and people who have hardly said anything talking more!

(AKA I'm tired of talking with you KSite folks already... just kidding. Or am I? :P)

Looking at the player list... I hardly remember anything (or nothing at all) from Bass, DP, Dom, Lizzy, Mata, Russ, Daisy, TH, Vomps, WOG, and Zany Dex... Do the players who haven't posted at all (IIRC DP, Russ, TH, WOG, Zany Dex... I think?) even know the game has started?

I posted once lol. Sorry I'm sick and have been trying to keep up with this game and the Lost game I'm playing. The "Ksiters" post a lot so its a lot to keep up with but its still early yet and I want to see how things shake out.

Oh, no worries! I am not calling any of the list out as suspicious or noncontributing as if it's bad (it's still early in the game), but I just like encouraging lower posts to post their thoughts because I like getting everyone's perspective.

Makes sense, thanks!

Bullzeye wrote:

Summer wrote:What does "Linki" mean? I've seen if in a few posts from SVS and then MP said something about the dreaded linkitis?

Linki is short for linkitis. It's where someone posts while you're typing up your own post and you want to respond to that one as well. It comes from years and years and years ago on Lostpedia.

This!

Wasn't it named after Link McCloud?

Anyway, gotta go now, folks, see you all later!

Linkitis: You have a good point, Dom, people should be judged by their behavior in this game. I'm always an advocate of that being the primary source of suspicion. BUT they play mafia very, very differently over there, so I do think it helps to be mindful, especially early on and especially for them, of gameplay/culture differences, so that we can avoid logical fallacies and so that we can better understand each other. I do agree though that if someone keeps harping about it over and over to use it to manipulate it obviously could be abused, though.

And I do think maybe it's time to let it fade away from being the main topic of discussion, HENCE my desire to get some no-shows and low posters (thus far, that is, it hasn't been long) talking and such.

And damn, 5 games?? Which others?

Alright, seriously, gone now!

Yeah, basic talk about it what necessary, but I think I'm getting the picture. We don't need to make it the topic of the day. It just wouldn't catch us baddies...

I'm signed up for five, not playing. I'm playing three. Although, one won't start until January. Liars Club could start soon, The Island is still going, WWE, Shawshank, Championship, and breaking bad.
So that's like six.
Yes, it was named after Link, but I think Dave came up with it? Maybe? I don't remember :$

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Ok. ksiters, slow down a bit on your MP suspicions and give him a chance to show his play style. He gets lynched A LOT as a civ because of his aggressive mannerisms and I'd hate to lose a potentially valuable civ this early because new people aren't used to him. If you find my defense of him suspicious, go ahead vote for me and see where that gets you

But as I said before, if nothing else catches my then I'm going to vote MP just to piss him off. I see I've already caught his GF's attention

This.


Although, I find the discussions about the differences in culture interesting, I find them very unnecessary to this game in particular. I'm going to be looking at those perseverating on the cultural differences.

The thread is moving quickly and I'm singed up for a goal of like 5 games, so bear with me

Mnogoose, maybe I missed it (some of these posts are a lot to take in), but is there anyone you are looking at?

S~V~S wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Right now I am most suspicious of MP. It's mainly a feeling.
On one hand I feel like maybe he is just being welcoming and friendly, because he is kind of the bridge between KSITE and here.
But on the other I find him trying to be helpful. His posts are lengthy but there isn't any solid content/decision making which makes me think he is trying to appear townie like. But I am still not sure what to expect from a Day 0. I am going to quote something in a minute too. I'm multitasking. Lol

I'll likely be voting for you Day 1.

@FZ: Orange was the sarcastic color back in the ol' Lostpedia days. I don't know if it's changed between Rev Mafia and here or what the color is now, but I always liked Sarcastic Orange. Perhaps SVS or MP know for sure what the designated color is.

It's still orange~ it's a Lostpedia tradition from like 2007 or 2008 ha ha

Wonder if we could find the old post that started it all. Was it dave or Gilli or someone?

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Anyways, I see that this is already starting to turn ksiters vs. syndicators (our name is better )
But! I think a part of me is going to like these ksiters. I myself find stirring shit up quite enjoyable

LP since '07 yooooooooo still "modding"


Very nice to see some new faces though.

Bullzeye wrote:Forgot to ask: DF, does anyone have info on the poll?

Someone had to, eh?:D

I have no clue about wrestling, so i'm going with death valley because it reminds me of sudden valley and well... arrested development