The Syndicate

insertnamehere wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:So... the Nextlix show for this is pretty fucking great.

I concur. I'm really excited to see how they handle the later books in the series, as I think books 11, 12, and 13 are all stone-cold classics. If they can maintain the level of quality, while gradually becoming more dark and complicated, I'll be happy.

I'm not kidding about the dark and complicated part too, the last few books are basically Thomas Pynchon for kids.

Long Con wrote:If I could have gotten Epi out of the way night 3, and checked Dom Night 5, he wouldn't have OMGUS voted me and I could have survived.

DFaraday wrote:Just pointing out that the Sugar Bowl was introduced late in the game, caused a lot of pandemonium, and had nothing at all to do with endgame. Just like in the books.

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:I've put all my eggs in the dom basket, basically.

Risky. Dom isn't actually a cleared civ by the logic I think you're following.

I'm sure of Dom, but I also know that Dom needs more than just me being sure of him, to be sure of me.

what does this mean?

That you will think through your vote rationally rather than following blindly.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:I've put all my eggs in the dom basket, basically.

Risky. Dom isn't actually a cleared civ by the logic I think you're following.

I'm sure of Dom, but I also know that Dom needs more than just me being sure of him, to be sure of me.

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:Sorsha would have killed herself if she didn't know she would survive?

I mean, there was discussion of the two different civilian roles that could block her during the night...

And, who knows what else is going on.

One thing I'm very sure of, though, is that it doesn't matter what the explanation is for Sorsha being the kill target, she is the last baddie anyway.

Golden wrote:At this point its clear Sorsha is neither dead nor silenced so I kind of consider the question moot, since she was probably blocked by Mr Poe in any event.

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:It's simple really. If we were to give the cult a break and let them try to win, sorsha just kills a cult member to delay their victory and put them in the same position tomorrow. Town doesn't have the luxury of being merciful.

Yes you do. The Vfd exists.

The VFD doesn't help us that much at all. Especially since the mafia should know who they are. So just ignore the VFD and take out civs until they wi.

Personally I'd say if Sunny wasn't sure who to shoot they should aim for the VFD, no point in maybe killing townies. However, I think the chances of the civs winning this phase is high.

@Golden I'm pretty certain Dom is a civ, I don't think a mafia Dom would vote for.

Also do we think Poe was blocked last night? It could explain the no kill from Olaf, but there was an attempted kill. I'm very unsure here, the final baddies/baddie has to be between MP, Daisy, and Sorsha.

So I suggest we decide on one, I guess Sorsha, and go for it.

linki: I gave you a recap Dom?

Golden wrote:I'm really just waiting for the absolute definite from dom. I'm sure sig will be in.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Additionally troubling is how the Sorsha reads turned from town to only possible mafia member overnight with no Sorsha posts inbetween.

What changed?

Why is Dom town? Dom's alignment is important for determining Sig's imo. (Cause I think hes a specific townie is unconvincing. I need reasons or at least key posts).


Linki: For the clear? I was mechanically cleared and nobody cared. Unconvincing argument. Why would Sorsha shoot herself? Why would the scum shoot Sorsha if she wasn't scum? No good answer to either of those questions.

There is either trust, or there isn't trust. All I want is a straight answer from you, are you going to stick with the town, or help the cult. That's all it comes down to now. The consequence for helping the cult is that, by pushing the day into extra phases, you could risk your own death. The consequence of helping the town is your buddy quin could lose. You're in a shit position.

I already gave you everything you needed to deduce dom's role, yesterday and today, if you want to try, so that you can get yourself in to the mindset of why dom is a townie. But, for me, it's just about picking a side at this point.

The thing that gets me is that if Sorsha is the last scummer and Sig gets lynched....so what? I don't see Poe, Sunny or Sorsha taking a shot at me tonight.

If Sig or Dom is the last scummer and Sorsha gets lynched...I'm probably dead. Sig and Dom have both proved unwilling to listen to me and more than happy to rid themselves of VFD players. Plus, the VFD won't know who to block.

So I need to be sure it's Sorsha and not Dom and/or Sig. Sorsha and Dom aren't posting anything helpful and Sig is openly hostile. Plenty of time to change that, though.

If you think you can end the game with or without me, have at it and good luck.

Sorsha wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Golden

So if Sorsha is the last scummer and the poig, she could block and kill in one night? Block and kill herself? Why do this instead of just blocking and killing say...you? Doesn't this also cause a paradox? Roleblocker roleblocking herself.

Sig's suggestion that Sunny shoot at the VFDs says he doesn't think the game ends today, which is troublesome.

This^

I didn't block or kill anyone last night, nor did I attempt to. I'm not bad.

If I had to pick I'd say Dom is likely troupe along with either daisy or mp

Sorsha wrote:Anyway... I doubt I can change your minds but lynching me isn't going to help the civs..

Quin wrote:Golden, let's leave sig out of it for a moment.

Let's talk about Dom, using the logic I used to accuse sig. This isn't some 'if it applies to Dom, why doesn't it apply to sig' thing. I'm genuinely asking.

Dom voted to lynch LC, who would be very likely to have the bowl. The civs have no particularly strong reason to want the bowl out of play, given that lynches are their primary tool if they don't have a night kill. Do you agree? The baddies are the ones who want the bowl out of play, because it essentially leaves that townie/indy/other scum team member immune to their roles.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:I just have been working on a lot of deductive reasoning throughout the game. You get hints here and there, you put it together, you figure things out.

I wouldn't have voted you yesterday, either, but for Jack's vouching for LC, which confused me as to your role because I bumped you for LC. It's one of those things where I could be wrong all over the place, but I'm pretty sure I'm not, because things fit together well.

linki - you are so stubborn.

Why do sig or dom try to kill sorsha, quin? What sense does that make?

Night kill analysis isn't my thing. I'm more comfortable going off what I can read, and I can't read their BTSC chat.

Nobody wanted to lynch sig except for me, so I think he has free reign over the night kill. It's just another bucket of 'what' he could hide behind.

As for Dom, he's a low flier. Not sure he actually knows what's going on.


linki: I get that. It's not that I don't trust you. But I'm aware that your reason for wanting to clear those two could be wrong.

Golden wrote:Dom, I see you there, I want your thoughts badly. Are you willing to vote Sorsha today?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:On the Sorsha thing though, I'm inclined to believe your and Sig's theory.

I hate how tinfoily it is, though. It is a huge gambit by Sorsha if it is true. But I don't see any reason for Olaf to kill the one person we are all determined to lynch, WIFOM or otherwise.

Quin wrote:Why the HELL does LC have two votes? Epi, do me a favour and lynch me will you?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Dom wrote:now i'm probably being a pissy little bitch that no one likes when i say this but

what the hell is anyone even talking about anymore?

You have launched yourself to the top of my scum list with your last two posts.

Mi hope a baby eats you tonight.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Dom wrote:i have no idea what im reading

Then why did you vote LC?

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I need someone to explain this bowl stuff to me like I have no idea what the hell it is. Because that's pretty much where I'm at.

Someone bet a lot of votes to protect themselves from nightkills for the next three nights. Either Jack or LC. Then they bussed quin to make sure they were alive to get the benefit.

I'm pretty sure that's not a baddie thing to do, because it shows they are scared about nightkills. On the other hand, they've basically put the target on the rest of us by making it clear they have it.

how do you know what the bowl does?

It was stated by DF in the thread.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I need someone to explain this bowl stuff to me like I have no idea what the hell it is. Because that's pretty much where I'm at.

Someone bet a lot of votes to protect themselves from nightkills for the next three nights. Either Jack or LC. Then they bussed quin to make sure they were alive to get the benefit.

I'm pretty sure that's not a baddie thing to do, because it shows they are scared about nightkills. On the other hand, they've basically put the target on the rest of us by making it clear they have it.

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Literally there are rules against roleclaiming and infodumping.

I'm not sure what you want from me, Sig.

screaming you have info and then hiding behind this rule is the same thing as just telling us what is going on.

it's pretty sad tbh and makes me not veyr motivated to play

.....

He is basically saying he has info Quin isn't bad, also why do you believe his info? the amount of games I've faked having info is to many to count.

Also shush to bad, play. Tell me what you think of LC please? Tomorrow he might be a good lynch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Literally there are rules against roleclaiming and infodumping.

I'm not sure what you want from me, Sig.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also process of elimination. Sig is supatown, Golden looks good. Jack is confirmed by the laws of probability. Epi looks supatown too and I don't want to let go of the Epi paranoia but I guess I have to put it to rest. Sorsha is an inactive, i'd be totally okay with lynching her but otherwise... meh. I don't like Dom's behavior a lot but he has said a lot of smart thing so he has some cred... for a while. LC was my suspect for a while but him and Epi made solid points for why it's just unlikely.

Golden wrote:I'd feel more comfortable if it was Sorsha or Daisy going out.

Golden wrote:At this point, I think the rest of the Troupe have to be found in one of two pools

LC, Jack, Quin, Epi; or
MP, Daisy, Sorsha, Dom

I don't see any overlap between them. Also, I really don't think Epi and Dom are bad, but they still would only belong on those respective sides in my view.

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Sig was entirely responsible for the glorfindel/sprit suspicion from the start, and was the only one out of anyone who gave reasons beyond glorf subbing out (and was on it before glorf subbed out). There is no good reason to have him at orange in your rainbow, it's just bizarre.

Yes there is. We still don't know why Glorfindel subbed out or the conversations he may have had with his team about it. He could have told his team to bus him for the civ cred towards the beginning of the game.
The fact that he was replaced anyway does counter that theory to a degree, but there's no good reason to think that both couldn't have happened.

@Dom - I'm packing. Going away for a few days, so I've got to get stuff done. Not that I was actually lying low in the first place.

who bad then

Not Jack, DDL, sig or LC.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:If you HAD to vote for Dom or Sorsha, who would it be?

Me? Doesn't matter to me. I'm fine either way.

MP is bad.

Spoiler: show

Dom wrote:Mark my words.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Sig was entirely responsible for the glorfindel/sprit suspicion from the start, and was the only one out of anyone who gave reasons beyond glorf subbing out (and was on it before glorf subbed out). There is no good reason to have him at orange in your rainbow, it's just bizarre.

Yes there is. We still don't know why Glorfindel subbed out or the conversations he may have had with his team about it. He could have told his team to bus him for the civ cred towards the beginning of the game.
The fact that he was replaced anyway does counter that theory to a degree, but there's no good reason to think that both couldn't have happened.

@Dom - I'm packing. Going away for a few days, so I've got to get stuff done. Not that I was actually lying low in the first place.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote: Who else acted like a certain role?

Aren't you arguing affiliation?
Couldn't you say... I dunno... sig could be bad by the same argument, but replace "indy" with "civvie"?

sig seems to be acting like a supatown, and he expressed shock that he was orange in my list. I thought maybe he was supposed to be Klaus, but then I read him talking about who else might be Klaus. Is he just supatowning off the Gloryo meta read triumph?

That's where I stand with sig. I can point to the specific post where MP tries to REALLY softclaim Indy. You know the one, right?

Long Con wrote: Who else acted like a certain role?

Long Con wrote:I'm not trying to piss you off Dom. I don't want you to be pissed off.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ha.

My concern is that the Troupe has that dead role checker, and that they will begin to try and hint at being roles that they know are dead and gone. It might have already happened.

Are you gonna answer the question?

My answer was a single syllable of derisive laughter. Translation: "No, I'm not a baddie. I don't think anyone really thinks I'm a baddie. Not only do the vote records really look good on me, so does my gameplay, and reasons beyond."

I'm here to help end this game as efficiently as possible for the Civvies, and I intend to do just that.

citation needed

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Anyway, LC, I take your very direct point.

Are you thinking of voting MP today?

Absolutely. I think it's extremely unlikely he's an Indy.

why

I said why already. That team has a dead role checker, and I profiled them to be likely to make some role hint based on the knowledge of the dead that they have. MP fit the profile very closely with his little Indy stunt.

but why
you could make that argument about anyone. this is nothing specific.


just like how apparently i'm bad because... you've decided so?

The good ol' Elohcin try.

How could LC make that argument about me?

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Spacedaisy hasn't posted in about four days. Unless you think she's popping online just to submit a kill or other evil night action and not participating otherwise, I have a hard time believing she's bad.

On the flip side, the Troupe could just be missing their dead role check each night.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Anyway, LC, I take your very direct point.

Are you thinking of voting MP today?

Absolutely. I think it's extremely unlikely he's an Indy.

why

I said why already. That team has a dead role checker, and I profiled them to be likely to make some role hint based on the knowledge of the dead that they have. MP fit the profile very closely with his little Indy stunt.

but why
you could make that argument about anyone. this is nothing specific.


just like how apparently i'm bad because... you've decided so?

The good ol' Elohcin try.

I just said why. I don't understand your question anymore. I thought about how the baddies might use a role on their team, I looked for behaviour that matched that, and MP matched it. What do you mean "why"?

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Dom, no offense, but you just sound pissy whenever you post. I can never tell whether you really want anybody to care about what you have to say. You're terse and you often fail to elaborate on things. Are you trying to find mafia or are you trying to find GOTCHA moments? Like your asking sig why he wasn't interested in finding the other mafia team...after he took the lead in the charge against the first mafia lynch.

And yes, it's true that wagering money on the outcome of a lynch could be illegal. Please refrain from that. It's in our site guidelines.

Epi, no offense, but you sound preachy and holier than thou when you post.

Yep. That's purposeful. Are you pissy and terse and failing to elaborate on things purposefully? If so, why?

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Anyway, LC, I take your very direct point.

Are you thinking of voting MP today?

Absolutely. I think it's extremely unlikely he's an Indy.

why

I said why already. That team has a dead role checker, and I profiled them to be likely to make some role hint based on the knowledge of the dead that they have. MP fit the profile very closely with his little Indy stunt.

Epignosis wrote:Dom, no offense, but you just sound pissy whenever you post. I can never tell whether you really want anybody to care about what you have to say. You're terse and you often fail to elaborate on things. Are you trying to find mafia or are you trying to find GOTCHA moments? Like your asking sig why he wasn't interested in finding the other mafia team...after he took the lead in the charge against the first mafia lynch.

And yes, it's true that wagering money on the outcome of a lynch could be illegal. Please refrain from that. It's in our site guidelines.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spoiler: show

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ha.

My concern is that the Troupe has that dead role checker, and that they will begin to try and hint at being roles that they know are dead and gone. It might have already happened.

Are you gonna answer the question?

My answer was a single syllable of derisive laughter. Translation: "No, I'm not a baddie. I don't think anyone really thinks I'm a baddie. Not only do the vote records really look good on me, so does my gameplay, and reasons beyond."

I'm here to help end this game as efficiently as possible for the Civvies, and I intend to do just that.

citation needed

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ha.

My concern is that the Troupe has that dead role checker, and that they will begin to try and hint at being roles that they know are dead and gone. It might have already happened.

Are you gonna answer the question?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'll do a rainbow list later once I've had time to dig into some ISOs. For now, a GTH reads list:

Daisy - Town
DDL - Town
Dom - Mafia
Epi - Town
JoH - Town
LC - Town
Quin - Mafia
sig - Town
Sorsha - Mafia

MP, having not played for days, lists me as bad. Sad !

Oh, I've been playing the game.

that's exactly what i'm worried about.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:so, alex, when did you get recruited?

I haven't been. What makes you think I have specifically, and why is that notable?

lol

Long Con wrote: Dom was subbed back in to a baddie role, I'm sorry, but it's so obvious. The Host wouldn't have gotten involved again if it wasn't to correct an unfairness like the baddie getting lynched for the "wrong reasons".

I didn't but okay.

who was/is josephine?

Not you.

Dom, there's really nothing substantial here. It'd be nice if you answered my questions instead of just putting "lol".

Long Con wrote:Golden, I just facepalmed so damn hard I hurt my forehead.

Golden wrote:I see no reason to disbelieve MPs strong indy hinting. I've seen him do exactly this before, and when your win con is "They will win by surviving to the end", being no threat to the mafia and blatant to the town is the best way to avoid it.

I'd stake money on him being Fowl.

Ok. I'll take that bet. How much are we talking here? Seriously. If you're good for your word, then how about $50? I can Paypal.

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Anyway, LC, I take your very direct point.

Are you thinking of voting MP today?

Absolutely. I think it's extremely unlikely he's an Indy.

Long Con wrote:

sig wrote:Okay can we please not lynch Dom or Epi, both would be distractions by the scum team.

I no longer think that Dom wasn't Josephine. I just think he subbed back in on the Troupe.

I honestly think LC is mafia and I think right now we're in a bad place. I need to do some more digging, but why wasn't sprityo saved and why didn't LC vote for him?

DDL was my suspect. At the time I voted for DDL, I had two votes and sprit had two votes, and my vote put DDL to two votes. I wasn't in "lynch survival mode" by the votes at the time... plus I was immune that day due to the Reptile Challenge.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ha.

My concern is that the Troupe has that dead role checker, and that they will begin to try and hint at being roles that they know are dead and gone. It might have already happened.

Are you gonna answer the question?

My answer was a single syllable of derisive laughter. Translation: "No, I'm not a baddie. I don't think anyone really thinks I'm a baddie. Not only do the vote records really look good on me, so does my gameplay, and reasons beyond."

I'm here to help end this game as efficiently as possible for the Civvies, and I intend to do just that.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ha.

My concern is that the Troupe has that dead role checker, and that they will begin to try and hint at being roles that they know are dead and gone. It might have already happened.

Are you gonna answer the question?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'll do a rainbow list later once I've had time to dig into some ISOs. For now, a GTH reads list:

Daisy - Town
DDL - Town
Dom - Mafia
Epi - Town
JoH - Town
LC - Town
Quin - Mafia
sig - Town
Sorsha - Mafia

MP, having not played for days, lists me as bad. Sad !

Oh, I've been playing the game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:so, alex, when did you get recruited?

I haven't been. What makes you think I have specifically, and why is that notable?

Long Con wrote: Dom was subbed back in to a baddie role, I'm sorry, but it's so obvious. The Host wouldn't have gotten involved again if it wasn't to correct an unfairness like the baddie getting lynched for the "wrong reasons".