The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:Fun game, Elo + Epi! <3 Also, congrats to the winners!



I was convinced someone wanted me dead because you kept controlling my votes to the worst possible person I could vote for in the given situation.

Is that why you were saying what you were about LC or are you referring to different votes?

FZ. wrote:I have to go to sleep, I'm falling asleep on my laptop,I really hope you all know what you're doing here. There are good reasons to see her as a baddie, but something is preventing me from doing it. I'm going to go with Dom because he just doesn't make sense to me,and the fact that he voted first for LC, makes me think we might be looking at a baddie who like to vote early on.

*Votes Dom*

Ambray wrote:For those that know me outside of mafia and know what a crap excuse of a father I have - he has cancelled our internet and phone in the house but won't tell us when it'll be cut off. So if I don't check in, then I guess you'll have to replace me.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ha! I voted for myself because I know how to turn on dirt, and then I saw Dom already did the same.

Dom, why do you think I wanted you and MP to fight?

Someone did.
I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say and what I'm not allowed to say. I have reason to believe someone is trying very hard to get me lynched, though.

I do want you to be lynched. But I don't know what you're hinting at here, I didn't do anything that would make you and MP fight. When were you fighting, I don't remember you guys being particularly at odds this game.

Long Con wrote:Ha! I voted for myself because I know how to turn on dirt, and then I saw Dom already did the same.

Dom, why do you think I wanted you and MP to fight?

DFaraday wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Now, I assume that if LC is a baddie too, he's not on MR's team...duh

Question is, who among those who voted for LC was trying to save MR.

Why do you think they are not on a team? I think it is still plausible.

If so, the baddies didn't try very hard to steer the lynch away from their two teammates. I'm guessing whatever baddies are left are some combination of Tink, Ambray, and maybe Dom.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:LC, if not you, who would want me and MP to fight each other in thread?

I don't know, Dom. MP is dead, so you don't have to worry about getting into a fight anymore, I guess. When were you fighting?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:

FZ. wrote:Dom, why are you suspicious of LC? Can you elaborate a little?

I believe he wanted MP and I to fight each other in the thread.

llama did that with you and I once, and he was civ.

Not to say that LC is civ. His continued suspicion of a dead player doesn't make sense to me.

Simon wrote:I know what to call Dom if he is Doc Hudson.

Dom Hudson.

DFaraday wrote: That remains to be seen. I'm working on a theory right now which may help determine my vote.

LC, what do you think of Ambray? Dom, same question.

Ambray wrote:I've moved my vote to LC, just because.

FZ. wrote:Dom, why are you suspicious of LC? Can you elaborate a little?

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other

How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?

Timing has been awfully convenient for you.

How so?

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:I believe LC pit MP and myself against each other

How did I manage that one? By making a case that you're baddies together?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
What do you mean it doesn't matter? Of course it does.

I'm not kidding you. I don't necessarily believe that to be true, but it's a possibility. Why are you "revenge voting" BR on Day 6 of this game when clearly there's baddie hunting to be done? Your vote smells throwaway, and the fact that you aren't voting Made all of a sudden strikes me as equally odd.

DFaraday wrote:I do think it's possible that Made an Snowy are pulling WIFOM, knowing that such heavy vouching will lead people to doubt them. Also, if Made is the Seemer, he could always come back civvie, I suppose. But I feel that lynching him would give us the most answers at this point, and as I don't have time to stick around for the end of the lynch, I am voting him.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Interestingly, if you look over DF's posts, you'll notice he agreed with her on Blooper D1, and that he voted for Llama D2 because of Llama's odd vote for Ambray. He also doesn't really talk about Ambray, ever.

MovingPictures07 wrote:WTF

Well, not surprised there. RIP Made. I do think the simplest and most accurate possibility is that you are that role.

My eye is even more firmly on DFaraday and Ambray, and to a lesser extent MR, after this lynch.

MovingPictures07 wrote:No, that makes sense, thanks Dom.

What do you make of LC and MR?

MovingPictures07 wrote:What I don't understand, LC, is if your read of me being connected with Dom makes us both bad, why do you put me as less trusted than Dom?

Something smells fishy to me about this LC and Dom stuff. The way Dom has voted BR today seems off to me too, especially when he's been so focused on Made.

I think LC and Dom may both be baddie teammates, know that I'm civvie, so that when they get me lynched, then the connection to Dom will be cleared and LC will can just write off my actions as being suspicious and be surprised that I'm civ.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:BR, to pick your brain: What are your thoughts on the player list at the moment? Who do you have reads on and who do you not, and what are the reads you have?

I can't pick out any baddies. Even LC has me questioning myself now. Tink and Simon I don't know to read, they are playful.

I can never fully trust you and Dom. Last time I made the mistake of trusting you I got burned.

I believe Snow Dog and Made are good. I think Splints might be good, but I have nothing to back that up.

I am not opinionated on the rest.

Yeah, I know what you mean. This has been a really tough game.

Well, I get that. I don't ask for your unconditional trust regardless.

Thanks for your thoughts there. I think I agree re: Snowy, Made, and, to a lesser degree, Splints, but haven't seen enough from her new incarnation yet.

Dom wrote:

Black Rock wrote:
Revenge? On me? I don't think that's what you really want.

BR, I'm just gonna lay a vote on ya...



But this may be the game we can finally trust each other..

Does this mean you feel less sure about Made now?

Black Rock wrote:
Revenge? On me? I don't think that's what you really want.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:I think I might just stir the pot today!

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Frankly, I just cannot fathom why Roxy did what she did if she were truly civ, which I'm not doubting. I just don't get it. At all. So I thought of a possibility that might apply, so I brought it up. That's all, really. The same I did earlier with FZ. jokingly, because I made a statement right off the bat how in games with Seemers people usually obsess over them and I can't stand it.

Here's the thing... you aren't discussing a possibility. We have no reason to think that Roxy was anyone but the role listed. You are throwing it out there to talk about stuff.

Wait, what? It is a possibility.

Sure, we have no reason to believe that other than IMO a perception of her behavior, but that isn't really a solid reason, I agree.

I'm throwing it out there because it's a thought I had... which is what I always do. Yes, discussion is talking about stuff. Makes me bad? No.

Made wrote:Real talk tho, If MP and Dom are mafia i'm going to cry.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Frankly, I just cannot fathom why Roxy did what she did if she were truly civ, which I'm not doubting. I just don't get it. At all. So I thought of a possibility that might apply, so I brought it up. That's all, really. The same I did earlier with FZ. jokingly, because I made a statement right off the bat how in games with Seemers people usually obsess over them and I can't stand it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
How is that suspicious? I mentioned it as a possibility.

Can't you recognize that it's possible Rox's behavior is much better explained if she was the Seemer?

I don't even necessarily believe it to be true, but why not consider it?

I am NOT the Seemer, but if you want to lynch me, go right ahead. I'm sick of players suspecting me game after game and not picking up on the fact that if I were bad I wouldn't easily avoid this BS suspicion by never mentioning the Seemer.

Made wrote:Maybe we should give further look into Roxy's Ambray theory?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Made wrote:If i'm correct, this is a rezzie poll, as the number of people dead equals the number of racers/options.
Assuming there based on order, who would be the most helpful to bring back?

Bass would seem to be the most helpful to bring back, given that Mack protects the awesome Lightning McQueen... although I'm actually a bit suspicious of the role he came back as. There are roles that the Seemer (Miles Axelrod) would choose to appear as, and roles that it wouldn't be as beneficial to appear as.

I don't want to do the baddies' thinking for them, but Mack is one of the roles that the Seemer could easily choose to appear as. Bass' "slip up" could have been a genuine baddie slip, and he's just Miles Axelrod.

Llama could be a baddie, hard to say. Probably not worth the risk, when nijuu (Fillmore, not likely a Seemer because then the real Fillmore would just post-curse someone and prove the truth) and FZ. (Guido, risky for a Seemer to choose because of possible secret BTSC/role knowledge with Guido) are available.

FZ. was a better participator, and got ripped off by a wild sock... she is my choice for rez target.

Although I think the assumption that this poll will rez anybody is probably not correct, I will vote DJ in the hope that FZ. comes back.

Why did you not this, Dom?

Long Con wrote:MP has been on about the Seemer from the start.

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I've been thinking and I still don't understand Rox's actions. I know a civvie could get frustrated, and I know Rox gets really into the game like I do, but she was barely taking any heat at all for the entire game, let alone before she voted herself amid my mentioning her again. It seemed completely unwarranted.

I'm not even sure I believe this, but I think it could be possible Rox was the Seemer. It's a plausible explanation for why she reacted that way.

I don't think it's true, really, but it's something to consider.

Long Con wrote:Nope, I'm not Chick. I'm a Civvie. If you're not looking at MP and Dom right now, then you're not really doing it right. My case is pretty solid.

Black Rock wrote:
Just a feeling, just a guess. Nothing real or tangible. I don't think he has a team. I think he is either Chick or civvie.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Well, if YOU read MY post then you'll see I didn't say that you think I'm bad.

Otherwise, I'm quite comfortable integrating a scathing diatribe about MP07's methods in with a post that began with answering you.

Well, you threw a lot of shade in that post. I see my name in there far more than MP's. You never actually indicted Mr. Sock of anything in that post, but rather, danced around an issue that left both me and MP open to attack.

You're being too sensitive.

Long Con wrote:Dom's game:

Please feel free to click that link and follow along Dom's posts yourself.

First couple of days, some nothing posts.

Next six days, focus on MP for making a Seemer comment, and for leading the FZ. lynch.

Then he realizes that MP getting targeted makes him not a baddie, drops MP. Barely questions whether or not it was MP or DF that got targeted.

Next five days, goes after Made for, let's call it the "suspicious analysis" for brevity.

That takes us to yesterday when he asked me about the Hedge/Made lynch.

At no point to MP call Dom out for "not baddie hunting", despite Dom having only two suspicions all game, and extremely minimal discussion of anything else.

Theory: Dom's pursuit of MovingPictures07 in the early game was distancing, because he's a baddie with MP07. DFaraday was the actual target for the Night 1 kill, targeted by Dom, MP, and team. When the failed kill didn't show a specific player, they took advantage of it to lead the thread into accepting that MP was targeted, and therefore not a baddie. This also led to a convenient point for Dom to stop his distancing accusations of his teammate, to move doggedly on to the next target, Made.

Despite earlier declarations of trust for Snow Dog, Dom uses the Made case to also cast a shadow of doubt on Snow Dog, saying "Snow Dog is either bad or is hugely misguided". This is an attempt to seize the opportunity to lynch a possible Civvie BTSC team. I can only imagine the Seemer talk that would likely come up when Made gets lynched as Finn McMissile or something.

So, yeah, after this analysis of Dom's gameplay, coupled with MP's lack of criticism for it, makes these guys my top two suspects for this lynch.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Do it, lynch me. Then when I flip civ, I want everyone to lynch you, LC, and your baddie teammate, Rox.

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox's fixation on Ambray and the way she has emotionally manipulated the thread have been bothering me for some time. I think she's your teammate.

You are brilliant baddie hunter MP! I guess your wall of text will secure LC's lynch -
I guess since your lumping me together as a baddie with FZ & Bass who had dun goofed did not work out so now I am a baddie with LC on a team though idk why since I was suspicious of LC before MP - but what ever he says must be true bc its in a wall of text.

Yes everyone, lets trust someone who has consistently led lynches on civvies all gme.

Someone who refuses to see all sides.

Someone who thinks he is right all the time so their mind will remain unchanged even when proven wrong.

Someone who is displaying all the civ qualities that make me want to follow their vote.



I really wish you would just go on and make a wall of text about me so I can be lynched and put out of my misery.

Also to anyone who has cleared MP to be a civ bc he MAY have survived a N attempt - HELO. - there are 2 baddie teams and Chick.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I really had no idea who the baddies were.

Long Con wrote:Don't bother, MP, why waste your time when you've already decided? Just vote for me, stop trying to justify it by pretending to analyze my gameplay.

You want me to tell you who the baddies are. I don't know who they are. I know who I think they're not. I put out some discussion about it, and you just accuse me yet again of "not baddie hunting".

You voted me D2.

If you found me suspicious all this time, why did you not pursue it?

Redacted.

I do believe you know all about redacted, since your case is made of it.

...that, more than anything, makes me suspicious of you.

Maybe MP was actually that overconfident that he had magically caught a whole baddie team, but it just smacks of convenience to me.

I don't know what to do about MP. It's possible he could be a severely mistaken Civvie, but the way he just threw Bass, FZ., and Roxy into the pot just based on Bass' suppose slip-up is just bizarre. Then the sig bet thing, which always makes me suspicious. S~V~S just made a sig bet over in Monopoly Mafia and turned out to be a baddie. I feel like it's a move designed to make everyone believe that you're Civvie, because no one would ever make a sig bet as a baddie!

Nope, I never actually was suspicious or said he could be a baddie. That's the case, right? I do appreciate you pulling all my quotes together so it's this easy to prove you wrong. Just because I didn't take the Tunnel Vision route like you and Dom seem to enjoy, doesn't mean I'm not baddie hunting. I'm not obligated to say every word that comes to my mind when I'm playing Mafia, I'm surprised to learn that's not a general principle everyone follows. I'm not here to prove to you or anyone how hard I can publicly try to get baddies - when I think I've found a baddie, you will know about it. And I'm pretty sure I've found two here.

What's the phrase, MP? "Ya dun goofed"? Yup. *votes MP*

Long Con wrote:Well, if YOU read MY post then you'll see I didn't say that you think I'm bad.

Otherwise, I'm quite comfortable integrating a scathing diatribe about MP07's methods in with a post that began with answering you.

Long Con wrote:Well, you weren't specific then... ask me what you want to know, it looked like you were doing "illegitimate baddie hunting", to use the apparent parlance of our times.

If there was a baddie to track down for Hedgeowl's death, then Snow Dog would be the one to go after, in equal amounts to Made. Right? I mean, it's a package deal. I just happen to believe that they're Civvie, this vouching is too bold for baddies to do.

You could point to Roxy, maybe she agreed too easily to switch from Made to Hedge. If she's a baddie, then in her eyes, one is just as good as the other if they're both Civ.

Were Mighty Rearranger's motives pure? Was it really something worth coming after Hedge for, just because some other people focused on her on Day One with no real suspicion? Maybe his vote was just a shielding ploy, like "look, I'm doing my own baddie hunting plan here, move along". It certainly seems to have met MP07's standards for who is doing "legitimate" baddie hunting and who isn't. (Unless MP is going after MR already and I have forgotten... pretty late here, going to bed, not worth searching out right now).

So there's some options for you if you're looking for someone to blame for Hedgeowl's lynch. I don't think those ideas are any less apparent than a play by play recounting was. If you thought there was something there, Dom, then why didn't you put forth these ideas? Is there someone in that list that you would prefer we not look at? Why make it my responsibility to think it out for you? Is that what "legitimate" baddie hunters do?

Ok, here's my turn to be Mr Legitimacy: Hey, uh, Sabie, what's your take on the Snow Dog/Made situation? DFaraday, was there a hidden motive behind Dom asking me to dig into the Hedge lynch rather than doing it himself? Simon, who sounds like a baddie to you the most out of everyone, gut response.

That'show you do it, right guys?

Made wrote:Re: the first LC quote.

Is there any other reasons you think they're on the same team beside the vote? I'm not finding anything on rereads, but i'm also exhausted atm.

Fingersplints trusted Roxy very early, and Roxy said that some people trust their friends more easily (as opposed to being a baddies using trust as a blind). Roxy and fingersplints are friends. I'm sure you can see how that could be construed as a baddie Roxy subtly clearing her baddie teammate from the 'truspect' charge.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:What was the point then? You asked why hedge got lynched. I told you.

I am not asking for a play by play of the events of the thread.
I am asking what factors lead to Hedge's lynch in the same way someone might ask what factors led to a historical event happening. They don't want a chronology of events, but rather what motivations, factors, and conditions that existed.
My theory? Made is bad.

Long Con wrote:What was the point then? You asked why hedge got lynched. I told you.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:lc why do you think hedge was lynched over made

A strange question to ask, it's like you wanted my opinion on the matter... but it's not a matter of opinion. It took me just looking back a couple of pages and reading.

Roxy wrote:

Dom wrote:lc why do you think hedge was lynched over made

Why do you think it happened?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think Snow Dog is telling the truth. I'm not sure I want to vote Made. I'm inclined to believe they both might be civvie.

I still think LC is bad, and I go back and forth on Rox and Ambray.

Ambray's recent posts sounded genuine to me, however.

I could see the argument for DF being bad. Something to consider. I'm not really sure on him.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, no worries, DF.

You think Snowy would really defend a baddie teammate that hard?

Snow Dog wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:My point is if you were bad who would you vote for. If we presume for the moment all options are civ. Would you jump on the mass vote for Bass? Or would you put it on myself or Made?

Probably spread out between all actually.

I agree with that, if a lynch is likely between two or more civvies I would expect a baddie team to spread their votes out. The only problem is we haven't established that either you or Made is actually civvie.

I know. But it helps me work it out because I know I am. Whether people believe me or not is up to them. What do you think of Dom?

He hasn't pinged me at all. I've found myself agreeing with him more often than not, and I'm leaning more civvie than baddie.

He is certain that Made is bad. I am certain that he is not. One of us is wrong. Who do you side with? Or anyone?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dom, who is your biggest suspect? Is it Made?

And re: Made, how confident are you feeling in believing he's bad? You and I both know he's been lynched relatively early in practically every game he's played so far, so what do you think?

And what do you make of Snowy vouching so hard for him?

Made wrote:Sweet still alive, rip hedgie, looking for how I probably survived

Made wrote:It's sticking out like a sore thumb in my head that simple doesn't make sense. Why do we care so much that Ambray was the first to vote FZ? Is there more background or context that i'm just overlooking? It isn't arguable that Mp was the driving force behind FZ's lynch. Are people who are throwing Ambray's name around contesting that?

Current reads, I'm really mixed on MP, It's interesting, how now that i have actually have bases to make an argument against him, he seems civvie. As DF described, he seems like his eccentric self. I think it's too early to lynch him if there's an alternative.
My lead going into this day was Llama, so

I'm not seeing a solid case against Bass due to how much that weighed on FZ being mafia.

Dom is reading Civvie, which is terrifying because normally he reads blank. He's far more helpful and seemingly rational than normal imo.

Hedgie and BWT should say more words

Snow Dog wrote:

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Made has got two votes already? Why ? Because his perception of Dom is different to others? We all see people differently. This is a poor and weak reason to vote for him which is simply following the trend we have set so far for this game.

No because he lied about my behavior.

He didn't. This is how he sees you. No one lied.


linki....so that is impossible to think from someone elses viewpoint? What are we programmed to think the same?

Snow Dog wrote:Made has got two votes already? Why ? Because his perception of Dom is different to others? We all see people differently. This is a poor and weak reason to vote for him which is simply following the trend we have set so far for this game.

Made wrote:Alright so let's start the day with leads, who is everyone the most suspicious of?
I'm on my cellphone atm so and need to re-read some stuff, but rest assure, the reads are on their way!

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Ambray, what exactly was it about me that pinged you? I'd be happy to respond to any charges against me.

what

Earlier she said I "cricked her brow" without saying why. I was just lazy and didn't quote her post.

DFaraday wrote:Ambray, what exactly was it about me that pinged you? I'd be happy to respond to any charges against me.