The Syndicate

I'm so sorry guys, I was the suck in this game. i was barely here

I basically had one good observation all game - that Epig was more likely bad than TH. That was it.

As Michael, I was basically a neutered civ, my role required me to get at least 2 votes in a lynch and not die to even start activating powers, so it needed someone who would be around more to garner some attention.

Great game, Dom, thanks for hosting!

rabbit8 wrote:

Voted rabbit. Dude never had a chance.

I'm so lost. I've been lost since day 1.

Did DB lead me happily down the garden path here?

Alright I will switch back to th to keep the majority but I still think epig is the better choice

I'm getting paranoid. Epig's tying vote is more damning than anything on TH. To me, he's the better choice. Something is starting to smell off.

DrumBeats wrote:@ TH - Because espers was still a number in a likely MYLO situation. It seemed to basically be save him and win for you guys, and tbh if he had logged on you would've succeeded.

@ timmer - no. This allows the mafia to all vote on one person and tie the vote again. We need at least 4 votes on TH.

Then let's all switch to Epig.

I'll move my vote to Epig. I think it's smart to have both of the epig/TH duo as the top two vote-getters, anyway.

Turnip Head wrote:Goodbye cruel world. I guess at least I can get some satisfaction from y'all being wrong. Good luck civvies, you're going to need it.

Or you could, you know, try to fight for your life. Tell us how we are wrong. Do you think Epig is good, or bad? Do you know why he is vouching for you? Should I know why he is vouching for you? How, looking at the poll, should we get a civvie vibe from your votes?

Would you vote Epig to save your life?

Sounds good.

Drumbeats, shouldn't we lynch epignosis, then, instead?

I don't deny the likelihood that both are bad, but Epig's move puts him a hair higher on the list, don't you think?

Looking back through the polls, at the day Matt got lynched. Matt had 6 votes when TH threw a vote away on... espers.

Here's a reminder about yesterday's poll, in light of espers being bad: (I've changed the numbers next to the votes to show the true lynch order, since so many deadies' votes in the real poll make it confusing)

bea
3
Turnip Head (3), LoRab (6), Epignosis (7) 20%

Drumbeats
1
insertnamehere (4) 7%

espers
3
DrumBeats (1), timmer (2), bea (5) 20%

One thing I notice... right before the lynch result was announced, DB posted about a "stealth tie vote" from Epig. Can someone clarify for me, did Epig vote to tie it up one minute before the deadline?

So Epig is vouching for TH. Epig, I've seen you say that you are not Pam, etc. but is there anything you can say to explain your vouch of TH?

Voting TH, for now. During the daisy lynch I felt like TH was waiting for someone else to make a move late in the lynch period so he could figure out how to play his part. And yesterday he does seem to have been trying to push off of espers. It's enough for me, for the moment. I'll try to study up more later.

Moved my vote to espers. Reading through his poats, they are very non committal and read like he is listing suspicions only when necessary. I get no sense of him actually actively trying to catch baddies. It's coasting.

If the silencer is bad, I do have thoughts about leading to a suspect based on past votes etc but if we don't know their alignment I may be literally backwards in my thinking about it and focus on a civ. I think my ideas are of base, now.

Oh, seriously? Am I right that we still don't have proof of the silencer's alignment? I don't see any mention of them in the roles... this muddles my thoughts big time.

@DOM, if you can, man, the poll from yesterday would be a big help! Off to bed.

@DB, were those in any pattern? Even nights? Odd? I'll catch yur answer tomorrow and thanks for your help.

Oh come on, I'm finally cooking with some thoughts, and no one is around, gah...

How many people have said they were silenced? I remember LoRab... who else?

The bulk of us voted daisy, but who voted for someone other than daisy?

Hmm... DOM, do you have the poll results from yesterday?

timmer wrote:Who was the last person to be silenced, by the way? Was anyone silenced yesterday?

@Drumbeats, am I right that no one was silenced yesterday?

DrumBeats wrote:
timmer wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
timmer wrote:Voting drumbeats for now. More thoughts when I can put them together properly.
Explain your vote. We're in potential MYLO right now. If you think I'm scum, make a case.
I will tomorrow, I'm just shaking a tree for now.
This is a 24 hour day - time is important.

That's actually a very important point which i had not noticed, many thanks!

DrumBeats wrote:
timmer wrote:Voting drumbeats for now. More thoughts when I can put them together properly.
Explain your vote. We're in potential MYLO right now. If you think I'm scum, make a case.

I will tomorrow, I'm just shaking a tree for now.

Who was the last person to be silenced, by the way? Was anyone silenced yesterday?

Voting drumbeats for now. More thoughts when I can put them together properly.

Ugh voted for daisy

TH, where are you thinking? I've got guests, I may need to just look at the final lynch trains and decide which one seems most trustworthy

Thinking of the people with votes. TH, can you remind me of whether you knew there was a silencer when you were calling out lorab?

Epig is just that is still lingering from day 1 and there is nothing much to it. I don't have a lot of better ideas but my blinders re INH have likely held my game back

I'm not voting INH today I've decided that my gut is not based on enough at this stage.

Trying to catch up.

I voted for splints. At this late stage I focused on those with votes, and I don't see a case on df or Scotty, and splints was supportive of INH who is still smelling bad to me, so there it is.

Read through splints' posts. There is a certain something to them that feels a bit off... a nonchalance. Like, she is commenting on suspicions just fine but no sense of urgency or need.

My mason question for splints is. .. what do you think of INH? Every suspicion of someone else's that you have commented on, you have said some variation of "there are good points there" but I feel like you haven't said much about INH unless I missed it. What do you think of his game so far?

Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:I would also suspect that Spacedaisy was forced to vote Drumbeats on top of bea voting Sorsha and espers voting serge. In case anyone is counting.

In reading back through the votes from yesterday, here's some notes:
Drumbeats looks slightly better.
espers looks slightly worse.
Turnip Head looks worse.
Epi looks slightly better.
Enrique looks slightly worse.
Timmer looks slightly better.

I'm not sure how those compare with the GTH reads from last night.

Everyone else is pretty much in limbo. I have a few people I trust more than others that I don't feel like painting at this time.

I would acknowledge that I wouldn't mind my own office, but im not actively campaigning.
Didn't Drumbeats vote the exact same way as TH... three times last night?
Yes? Wouldnt you like to respond to my criticisms of your vote?
Okay. I think INH is bad.

Hallelu!

fingersplints wrote: juliets

Timmer - I agree with Scotty. The Scranton strangler is almost definitely Indy. When Scotty mentions possibly needing to activate - could be the Strangler needed to find Toby or something. In the show, Toby was on the jury for the Strangler case. He voted guilty, but later regretted this. He went to the jail to tell the Strangler he thought he was innocent... And was then almost immediately strangled.

That seriously happened lol? Thanks for that. Ok so the poll then isn't very useful as I don't think any mafioso was in deep trouble at any point. I lean baddie on INH but he never had more than two votes. So realistically the baddies are probably spread evenly through early late and mid voters, so I'm not going to spend more time on it today.

In4abit. I'm ready to break down yesterday's poll, but just to make sure I don't start out on a dumb footing, are we assuming that Sorsha's strangler role was an indy or SK type of role, and not mafia? If she's mafia, I'll blow this sucker open, but if she's an indy it makes things trickier. So, her role is more likely indy, right?

I'm happy to see I'm still alive! I'll do my damnedest to catch up and give this game attention, and in skimming I saw some people asked me questions, I will try to answer these soon!

Voted for INH. he's still my #1 suspicion.

Sadly splints that's exactly the case. I'm busy to play properly, and there is nothing I can do about it.

Oh, it was Sorsha, the posts are pretty much right above mine. Sorsha called out INH for doing the same I had noticed him doing to me.

Scotty wrote:
timmer wrote:Sorry guys, I've been too distracted this week to give this game its due.

I think the mafia has done an exemplary job of moving lynches onto easy targets all game, and now a gentle push towards me since I'm barely around just continues the trend.

The fact is, I thrive in mafia after a baddie is caught, as analyzing vote patterns and the specific timing of votes is my bread and butter (see my insta-spotting baddie Epignosis after I broke out of prison recently). At this point, I have nothing to work with, and I'm not around enough to properly study the entire game in the way that many of you do.

As for my INH vote, he NO-U'd me first, so I basically reverse NO-U'd him, which in my mind made perfect sense for a vote.
I'm not specifically getting on you because you're "barely around" nor am I making a "gentle" push on you. I'm glad to hear that you think yourself as an easy lynch with 2 votes currently cast against you.

I also thrive after a baddie is caught. More information comes from relationships between killed baddies. We're doing a shit job of catching baddies. But that doesn't mean there isn't something to work with.

Your NO-U on INH is not inherently sus, but NO-Uing him specifically because he was NO-U'ing you is akin to listening to one Creed song on loop for 10 hours. It's a lesson in insanity.

If I suspect someone, and then they NO-U me, it just adds to my vibe against them.

Scotty wrote:Timmer, can you answer in this post who you are talking to?
timmer wrote:Interesting point about INH in your linked post. I had cast an eye on INH early on, and I notice he's recently listed me as someone who he doesn't get civ vibes from. When someone suspects the people who suspect them, does that tend to indicate alignment? I'm not sure.

I'd have to look back to be sure, but I think it was indiglo?

When you suspect someone, and call them out, and then later in the game that person just starts laying down a "I don't try him" vibe, when really, the only thing they have against you is that you had voted for them earlier... it's shifty. I've felt INH is bad all game, right from day 1, and I'm going to continue thinking that. He subtly NO-U'd me, and I tried calling him out for it with my vote. Unless things change, I'll be voting there again, tbh.

Sorry guys, I've been too distracted this week to give this game its due.

I think the mafia has done an exemplary job of moving lynches onto easy targets all game, and now a gentle push towards me since I'm barely around just continues the trend.

The fact is, I thrive in mafia after a baddie is caught, as analyzing vote patterns and the specific timing of votes is my bread and butter (see my insta-spotting baddie Epignosis after I broke out of prison recently). At this point, I have nothing to work with, and I'm not around enough to properly study the entire game in the way that many of you do.

As for my INH vote, he NO-U'd me first, so I basically reverse NO-U'd him, which in my mind made perfect sense for a vote.

That's enough for me to vote INH. He's sitting on other people's work and targeting the people who eyed him. Moving my vote over.

Interesting point about INH in your linked post. I had cast an eye on INH early on, and I notice he's recently listed me as someone who he doesn't get civ vibes from. When someone suspects the people who suspect them, does that tend to indicate alignment? I'm not sure.

For the moment I'm voting LoRab. I don't really have a lot to go on, and I've been pretty absent, but reading through her posts, when someone spends that many posts on mechanics but then fails to really talk about suspicions except in a surface way, I get twitchy.

Read through Matt's posts, not seeing the baddieness. Anyone care to elaborate on the case?

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