The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:Congratulations, Sorsha, Mafia: A World Reborn's MVP!

I will continue the Journeys of each role in the coming days.

Long Con wrote:
No u linki

Ahh... that makes perfect sense. I assumed the perk would fall to the team, but yeah it was linked to me, after all.

Typhoony wrote:Aw we got so close in the end. Our team had quite a lot of bad luck, and then Nub Tranq loses a cointoss and gets himself lynched

Congrats Circle!

If the coin toss stings, know that it should have actually been worse. By using my Parchment, Tranq's vote was supposed to become controlled by us, so we would have shifted it back onto him, anyway. I'm guessing LC/BR forgot about that part of that item's curse, but it worked out the right way in the end!

Typhoony wrote:Who set off that damn Black Crystal?

Glad you guys liked the Parchment, too.

Epignosis wrote:
timmer was such a fail in chat that I knew he was bad. I was hoping sig and I would just pass by without much fuss.

Let's be clear, here. I was, hands down, the weak link in this baddie team. This isn't a poor me thing, I'm not looking for pity or reassurance lol, but I definitely felt the time constraints of my job and my family weighing on me, and my participation was atrocious. I'm on hiatus indefinitely now because of it, other than maybe the Game of Champions whenever that happens. I did what I could, but really, about half of the game was me coasting while using the tribunal to survive. It is what it is, but yeah, I wasn't exactly a supaciv!

@SVS, to touch on the question of why we killed MM, there were two reasons, really. One, I forgot about his connection to you and stupidly voted you for about five minutes, and got caugh, so we knew MM would kill me that night. Second, we weighed several options in light of my impending death and it just made sense to take him out. Every scenario we thought up pointed to it being the right call (and thanks again to LC for a glorious double death scene! ). And SVS, you and Tranq played some outstanding endgame, we were sweating a lot!

This was one of the greatest baddie teams I've been a party of, I'm so proud of them

Thanks for a great game LC and for handing me entry into the 2015 Game of Champions!

Yay! Deadie party!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

timmer wrote:Cheers, buddeh.

Lol, that was fun.

Draconus wrote:

timmer wrote:

Draconus wrote:What if the Mountains remove Timmer from the poll?

No longer a sarcastic question

Draconus wrote:What if the Mountains remove Timmer from the poll?

Golden wrote:Good outcome.

That should hopefully get timmer off the poll again tomorrow.

Sadly, no. I'm pretty sure my poll-avoiding days are over...

Dom wrote:I'm beginning to think you're all bad.

I'm actually civ. But I checked out three martinis ago!

I've decided that the logic for voting mm is undeniable.

Golden wrote:I would have thought at least some baddies would be jumping on this.

Maybe you don't know what you think you know?

S~V~S wrote:Guys don't vote for metalmarsh, you know he is not bad, and lynching him will not end the game. It sucks.

Agreed.

Svs double dipped her chip in the salsa.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey timmer, remember that other map game where I tried to vote for you every single day.

Good times.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm a sucker for math though. :P

I guess what it comes down to is behind the scenes stuff. For some reason, everybody knows my role even though I thought it was entrusted with a couple civs. That turned out to be a lie, because everybody suddenly wants me dead even though I'm not a baddie and they know it. Draco is trustworthy in my book, but Golden and Sorsha less so.

Based on circumstances, I think it's Sorsha. I'll keep an eye on Golden, because he's definitely not been the ideal game-solver he's been expecting to be, but I think that is all a result of him trusting Sorsha.

I don't want you dead.

Tranq wrote: Yes he is imo. Have you read his latest posts? He and Timmer aren't even bothering anymore

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Is timmer the new Blinkman?

Winkman?

The last thing this game needs is a MM lynch. I don't know much about what is going on but I know that much.

Why am I never on the poll?

LoRab wrote:

timmer wrote:My apologies, I had trouble getting into the site to vote.

No worries. You're evil, so we don't actually necessarily want you to vote.

I'm not but there is no point arguing when I've been bamboozled.

My apologies, I had trouble getting into the site to vote.

Voted.

I can't seem to get on very easily. I'm voting for Matt. I trust the arguments against him.

Matt wrote:Oh wait. I thought you were referring to my last minute vote on Juliets when she tied with MacD. Now I'm thinking you were referring to her being too little too late bussing one of her partners.

Derp.

I'm getting drained defending myself over here. The only person in this game (that I know of) that might have an inkling to my civvieness is Dom, so I hope he speaks up, but with his latest posts he seems to think I might not be good anymore, so blah.

Maybe if you weren't trying to ambush people?

Matt, I still have no idea what you are talking about. We aren't partners, man. You make no sense.

Matt wrote:

timmer wrote:

Matt wrote:Ummmm okay.

Tim Tim, why was Turnip up for lynch?

I do not know.

Why didn't you refute SVS' claim that we are partners?

How would I have any idea if you are partners with anyone?

Matt wrote:Ummmm okay.

Tim Tim, why was Turnip up for lynch?

I do not know.

I've voted TH in a sad effort to save myself. Why I'm bothering I have no idea.

What fucking list?

Matt wrote:

timmer wrote:@Tranq, it was called a Figurine. The alignment of whoever s face I carved into it would be revealed to me. At this point I really don't care if you don't believe me, I've been railroaded over a single action which made perfect sense at the time. I'm kind of done with this.

I don't see that item on my list.

Because it was a false name, Matt. There was no fucking figurine, it was the dagger. Fuck this. Go ahead and lynch me over this, I'm out.

@Tranq, it was called a Figurine. The alignment of whoever s face I carved into it would be revealed to me. At this point I really don't care if you don't believe me, I've been railroaded over a single action which made perfect sense at the time. I'm kind of done with this.

Lorab, I had just been in the same place as Sig and epig and then Sig died. The item was supposed to provide an alignment check so I used it on epig to see if he had likely killed Sig. Instead he died and the item changed to a dagger. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

If I'm bad I had no reason to reveal any of this in the first place.

Sorry for my absence all, I've decided I'm def. going on hiatus after this. I just don't have the time needed to participate properly. I've said all I'm going to say about the fucking Obsidian Dagger and all of that. I made a mistake in using an item which was not called a dagger at all, but only revealed to be one after I used it, and it cost dearly. I've not bothered picking any other items up because I'm not going through all of this again.

MM is wrong about me, just as Golden was wrong about me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

timmer wrote:Golden, I don't have time for a lot of detail here, but I think I can say that you have hit on some truth but are misguided about some things as well. I am not a fan of info dumping but will say that I have come into contact with an item that was not actually what it said it was and there have been consequences. I've tried to help the cause and ultimately it seems have caused more trouble than anything.

timmer, I don't believe you wert this statement. I don't think you could use a dagger on another player without knowledge of what it could do (if I'm reading the accusation correctly against you from Golden). You did not post in the thread leading up to the start of Day 6. Epignosis was killed 2 hours after Day 6 started. You did not post during this time either, and didn't post again until 12 hours after Epignosis's death.

I think the timing of Epignosis's death, along with Golden's accusations against you imply a malevolent intent. You had a questionable item in your hands that you used on Epignosis. Did you bother to ask him if he'd mind you testing an item on him?

What if a dagger isn't even called a dagger until you use it? I've said explicitly, I had never heard the term "obsidian dagger" until after Epig died from it. I can't say more, I'm not a fan of dumping, but that should be enough for you to get what I'm saying.

And re: Wilgy and the trickster angle, is this because the role never used its power? If Eloh wasn't around I can see why she didn't use it, but yes, Wilgy was smart enough to remove himself from a poll to a) save his life and b) hint at his role, so I can buy the trickster idea quite easily.

I'm home sick today so I've got a chance to catchup on some things. I'll start with the Dr since I haven't made much of an effort to follow that. So we know the doc experiments on bodies and MM was seen with TH's corpse, so I get what you are saying about MM. Some questions.

1. Do we know Dr Dre is a bad role? Could it be indy or civ? It doesn't sound particularly civ, but it could be indy, imo.
2. Have we found out anything about the dr's moves? Like, if he brought TH back, could TH now be tied to the doc somehow? Maybe TH gained BTSC with the doc or something? I've found a few bits of info on the map that explain bits about a few things, but nothing about the doc.
3. Is your sole reason for voting MM that you think he is the doc? What if the doc isn't bad?

Thanks in advance, I'm just trying to flesh out a few running threads i've skipped over in my haste.

@MM, why do you keep voting for me? Have you ever actually laid out a case? It'd be nice to actually defend against something.

I'm voting for Wilgy. I don't have a ton of time today for posting, but I will tomorrow. Wilgy's death/non-death after asking for death is too bizarre,but more importantly, his responses TO that situation have not felt genuine or civvie.

DrWilgy wrote:

Golden wrote:It feels like a new post-juliets dawn where new suspicions need to come forth.

I have two clear thoughts so far. The first is that I can see a scenario where Dr Wilgy is bad and on the Cabal and they set up his 'death' knowing the night wouldn't count for cred. My impression from TH, and it was backed up somewhat when I asked about it in the thread, is that this is exactly the kind of gambit Wilgy would enjoy. It seems up his alley.

I am no longer intoxicated

Golden, how many times have we been on a team together? What makes you think this is up my alley?

You DO have to admit that the circumstances look like a gambit on your part, right? I mean, what are the odds of this being a coincidence that is entirely out of your hands, really?

How has Wilgy been in the past regarding deliberate WIFOM in thread? I can see how his "kill me" [Wilgy gets killed/night gets reset] sequence looks bad. But all of his posts, allg ame, have been wifom'y glib goofiness. Has he done this before? I can't remember anything quite this lightweight. If he has, was it indicative of alignment at all?

Dom's got a decent point. If you are paying attention enough to have people you trust, you must have people you don't trust, Bass. If you aren't paying enough attention to have any suspicions, how do you have people you trust?

fingersplints wrote:
I'm not sure how you can say that you don't see how I could suspect both sides of something. There are many roles in this game, and because they might not be teammates it doesn't mean they both couldn't be bad or Indy. Lorab responded pretty well after, but what caught my eye in her comment was that she was subtly pushing looking at those who could have been distancing without mentioning names. Seemed vague for Lorab.
The other thing that bothered me was how many people were jumping on sig while no one was mentioning Lorab for having a similar (although not totally the same corrected by juliets) thought.

What was your suspicion of sig at the time? If the main thing about him at the time was that he had seemingly slipped about sounding so definitive about why Timmer 1.0 was NK'd, and you said you liked the thoughts on Sig, how can Lorab be suspicious for mentioning the very some thing? I think my confusion stems from a lack of understanding your views on Sig at the time.

Taking a brief break, will get more done before work later, though.

Read through floyd. It'd be easier if I knew his style. He reads as aloof, not really engaging with the game... in some players this could be a baddie sign, in others, a civvie sign, floyd? No idea. The "I don't know what NK means" is hella-odd but maybe other sites genuinely don't use the term? And now he's sort of thrown in the towel asking for replacement. Again, it would help to know the man. I know some people, like SVS, for have actually replaced IN to blown baddie roles, so if it were her, for instance, I wouldn't think baddie at all. But maybe when floyd gets called out he tosses in?

Like with splints, I get no civvie vibe, and floyd hasn't really tried to address tranq's call out against him at ALL. In fact, the fact that Floyd hasn't really addressed it is enough that at this point, I'd vote him easily. Even if someone isn't fully engaged, if they didn't do what someone is saying they did, they fight it a little. I'll actually put a vote on him for now.

Voting Floyd.