The Syndicate

MP, speaking of people dying early in games, I'm working on an idea now, for someone to try in a game. It involves a 3 day random button in the poll, linked to resurrections - but I'll post it in the mafia discussion section when I have time.

Devin, it was so much fun, and so different. I'm so glad I got to meet all these people I've never played with, I'm amazed at how polite everyone was! I still feel bad about agleaminranks, maybe he can kill me sometime soon!

Epic had already warned me that nev was fairly powered up with plasmids, so I knew I couldn't compete on that level, especially with him getting lynched.

but I decided to try surviving a little longer anyway. I was happy to see the winners win!

I got to do my favorite thing all game, kill with gleeful abandon

who could ask for more fun than that?

Kate wrote:
Matahari wrote:Thanks daisy! I can't remember for sure, but I think devin might have been the only person I tried to kill twice. I'm not sure, maybe I tried someone else twice, but I can't remember. Who kept blocking me with bees?

Lol, very smart of you, probably saved your life

I think I deflected to you once or twice.

Snow Dog wrote:
Matahari wrote:Thanks daisy! I can't remember for sure, but I think devin might have been the only person I tried to kill twice. I'm not sure, maybe I tried someone else twice, but I can't remember. Who kept blocking me with bees?
Think I may have done that once

And where does a snow dog find bees, hmmm?

Thanks daisy! I can't remember for sure, but I think devin might have been the only person I tried to kill twice. I'm not sure, maybe I tried someone else twice, but I can't remember. Who kept blocking me with bees?

This game was so much fun MP. It's very freeing to only have to stay alive and kill.

I'm sorry that epig didn't get to be my bitch a little longer. I've never had a bitch before.

I was pretty sure that Cohen was going to succeed in killing me because I didn't trust the only plasmid I had left, to help me survive, so I tried hard to get devin lynched. But I congratulate the winners!

And yes, nev, epig felt really bad that I recruited him.

I'm sorry for killing a gleam on the first night. When I sent my kill pm, he hadn't posted since the start of the game, and I randomized him between a handful of players who weren't posting. Then I came back the next day and discovered he had started posting. But I seldom make changes late in the day, and didn't really think my kill would succeed anyway. I felt bad when it did.

i just Had to be different....

Snow Dog wrote:
bea wrote:welcome to zombie land mata - have a nice stiff one on me TBH - I've been rooting for the LMS roles since I died as bea 2.0. In my heart, I'm always bea 1.0 and proudly Ryan's Army
Can I have a stiff one on you?

thanks Bea! Does that stiff one come with a kilt?

indiglo wrote:Well now I know who killed me. Harumph!

thanks for a fun game, host and everyone! So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Yay, I got back in time! To watch my impending death, lol. Last words of advice, don't limit your reading to the Adams family. And think about two players defending each other, even saying 'lynch me first'!

That's all, and probably, quite enough

AceofSpaces wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:I'm at a loss here with this vote. The way Devin and spacedaisy quickly voted Mata when she started going against Devin and sort of SD seems like a classic baddie "no u". But there aren't many BTSC options left in this game.

What's bothering me about Mata's push against Devin is that she isn't clarifying who she thinks he's voted along with. At this point in the game, I don't see what the harm is in being more specific, especially if the case is based on thread evidence and voting records.

Aces, Nevinera, what are your thoughts on this?
I think Mata's lack of specificity means she is making stuff up and hoping for the best. But as the great philosopher Plato once said, "Even a blind squirrel is right twice a day." SD and Devin were super quick to strike back at Mata, together. Maybe they really are the last members of team Adam, and they feel cornered? I don't know. The lack of evidence disturbs me.

I will probably vote for SD. Not because of Mata, but because of my own observations.

Aces, if we are divided, I will wind up being lynched. And that's ok too. Then you will see that I knew what I was talking about. Some things cannot be made crystal clear, but I'm am not lying. If I do get lynched, a quick read of a few baddie roles will tell you all you need to know.

Now, all you little chickies will have to fend for yourselves. I've done the best I can for you, I can't do no mo!

Devin the Omniscient wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:I'm at a loss here with this vote. The way Devin and spacedaisy quickly voted Mata when she started going against Devin and sort of SD seems like a classic baddie "no u". But there aren't many BTSC options left in this game.

What's bothering me about Mata's push against Devin is that she isn't clarifying who she thinks he's voted along with. At this point in the game, I don't see what the harm is in being more specific, especially if the case is based on thread evidence and voting records.

Aces, Nevinera, what are your thoughts on this?
Because I haven't been purposefully voting with anyone. I believe Mata is threatened by me and, if I am correct, this is because she is a baddie. The way she is going after me is seriously making me think that she is the last (if not one of the last) Guardian (Of course there is no way to know for sure how many have been NKed and how many are still alive). That is the only reason I can see for this sudden attack.

I think you're clutching at straws now. This doesn't even make sense, but like I said, the truth will out.

Devin, I seldom jump into the fire this way. But I do strongly believe you are a baddie, and I'm taking the chance to show it. I could just quietly let myself be picked off but where's the fun in that? It's now or never time for me, and you can claim civvie if you want, but I can't believe it.

Linki, fh- I'm not looking at the same voting pattern that you're looking at. And I can't explain it any better. I won't name the role that I am saying he is, I'm just telling you all now, devin and daisy are on my baddie list. It will come out soon enough, I just don't want to see baddies win. I've tried to show in a less conspicuous way that I've been eyeing them, for the last couple of days. But it's up to you, if you don't suspect them now, you soon will.

I can see lms's getting more bang for the buck by voting me today- so they can say 'oh my- she was right', but if I don't point you guys in the right direction now, I may not get another chance.
Tell me, do you see any civ roles who would defend each other? Because I don't.

Flyin high, I'm in no more danger than anyone else is. We are all in danger from everyone, potentially. And I have put myself out here, because I expect to be nk'd since I have no protection left.

So I'm a dead woman walking at this point.

Daisy and devin, as I said earlier, I will not win this. When I die doesn't matter- I strongly believe that you guys are not civvies, and I also believe that daisy is trying to save devin. Vote me if you wañt, I'm just trying to let the rest of the players know what they face-

vote devin

Aces, you suspected daisy earlier because of her posts/nonposts, generally flying under the radar? What do you make of her saying that we should lynch her first? Do you see a civvie role who would do that?

Nev, basically same question for you- what has daisy done that would make you trust her? Why would she try to protect devin from a lynch?

Spacedaisy wrote:Mata, what I am not getting is who the confirmed Baddie is that you are aligning Devin with. Could you please clarify this?

Linki: Mata, you could not be more wrong. I highly recommend you look somewhere else because it will not help you at all. Unless you are last man standing. In which case any death other than your own helps you. But if you are not a LMS, you a bout to shoot yourself in the foot. If you all believe you MUST lynch one of us, I would say lynch me and then maybe it will help guide some of your future decisions regarding lynches. But I promise you it will be a wasted lynch.

Well, this kind of confirms for me that devin is the killer in the group? Or is this reverse psychology?

Most of you know I rely on gut and feedback from the majority in these games. And I'm not always right. But my ss is not like most players, it consists of notes, and comparisons, and at this point, I'm going to have to trust my notes. I don't have anything else to go on.

The only reason I'm holding off on voting is because I could see voting either devin or daisy. But nev didn't seem too keen on voting daisy. I hope we can get a majority for one of the two, because I feel like it might help finish off a mafia team.

thanks daisy, I hope to get that straight in my head soon. Either way, it's been a pleasure meeting all these new players (new to me) they are the nicest group of people!

Whoops, apologies! I thought devin was a she. Sorry.

I have mentioned devin and daisy, voting patterns, etc., a few times during the last three game days. I hoped if anyone else noticed something off in his posts( and daisys) that they would chime in, so I wouldn't feel like an idiot. But no one has. So I'm either an idiot or there are more lms left than civs.

Anyhow, I won't make it til the end, so I thought I should take a stand now while I still have the chance.

Like I said earlier aces, the posts and votes of every lynch, there is way too many to quote. Look at the polls, there is a pattern of 5 people who vote together daily. Spacedaisy is also in that group. They do a three/two split from one lynch to the next. Then combine it with the posts made, and you will probably see what I mean.

I would watch out for daisy and devin. They are both a danger to the civs, however many of us are left.

I've read through so many of your conversations, and they are so tricky. Devin, you're playing a very slippery game, and I salute your skills. But I really think youre bad to the core

All the way back to the start of the game, there are examples of interplay between you and a known baddie, and voting with certain players. No one has to believe me, but don't say I haven't warned you guys. I've been bringing her up for awhile now, so I hope someone listens.

I cant present facts and figures. What I can do is point out some things, that anyone can see in the thread. First, look at who devin voted 'with' every lynch, and read her reply posts (meaning dont just read her powts, read the whole convo between her and others) leading up to each lynch. Devin is a team member, and I don't mean a civvie team. Frankly, there is no way I can win this thing. But I do not want a mafia team to win, so make of this what you will-

Linking/ will read after I post

I agree with aces about daisy. But I also suspect that devin is a killer. I am voting her today. I urge you all to trust my instincts on this.
And no, I'm not speaking of info. I'm speaking of painstaking daily s.s. work.

I'm home and I've read up. And still don't know my bum from first base. But it seems like epig is as good as any.

I agreed with Kate the other day when she said she didn't see where aces had proved his innocence in the thread. But that had been the only thing I had noticed about him.

The thing I noticed about daisy can also apply to me but not quite as much. It's not easy to build a case on someone if no one else seems to notice anything out of the ordinary about them. I start to not trust my judgement about people if I'm the only one seeing something.

Other than that, I don't have a clue. I kind of mistrust everyone, especially the people painting rosy pictures. voting epig

To clarify my above post, I'm not sure what is is people are seeing about aces, but nev voted him and Kate was in a Convo about him, so if someone could say what it is, it would be helpful.

I'm at a birthday party too, and still feel crappy. Trying to keep up.

Linki, ok thanks. Will look back.

It worries me that we're talking of spreading the votes out so much. I have trusted nev somewhat this game, but I'm wondering about the aces vote.

Kate, yesterday you said that you would consider an aces vote next. What changed your mind?

I'm checking in and skimming a bit, but I want to know if anyone has studied the groups of people who voted the same way each day? Or almost the same? There is possibly nothing to it, but there were 5 who voted in a peculiar pattern, like 3 vote one way, then 2 vote someone else, the next day, 3 others in the group would vote one way, and two would vote another. And so on... Of that group, daisy and devin are still alive. Daisy worries me in particular, as she has not seemed to point any fingers, or build any cases at all. My vote may go there today.

I feel like we're a bunch of little lambs waiting for the slaughter

Two people of the seven I originally suspected flipped civ, one was bad. Two I don't know for sure, but others must have thought they were bad as well, because they were nk'd. That leaves two that I don't feel quite right about, but I'll think on it until tomorrow.

Mongoose wrote:I made some quinoa-beet burgers about a month ago. And I'm not going to lie, they were amazepants. We make lentil burgers or corn & black bean burgers a bunch.

that sounds scrumptious! I just learned to make quinoa tacos, they are really good too!

bea wrote:*makes some soybrainz burgers* for hedge and goose.

make sure the soy is organic- that GMO stuff will kill ya!

voted mongoose I've had the feeling that either mongoose or daisy was team Adam, but I know as well as everyone that I could be wrong. If mongoose is not team Adam, then I'm wondering if jc was.....

Thank you for the case building fh! My vote is probably going that way today, because mongoose was one of the five players I had been watching originally, due to voting patterns and subtle supporting of each other in the thread.

Following early voting 'block' groups, I had question marks by these people: space daisy, devin, boomslang, hedge owl, and mongoose.

Also, I checked with the host about whether bad teams were able to send in night actions for missing players. He said yes, so I added vacationers, and otherwise MIA's to my suspect list. However, DH turned out to be civ, so I'm not sure how accurate any of this is.

Mongoose wrote:Relunctantly voting Nev

Could you say why you were reluctant?

So, I'm still not sure how nev or anyone would have info into anyone's affiliation, or role, based on a dead player check. Especially if sander only finds out whether the dead player was a former student or not. I'm wondering why hedge owl seemed to think nev could be Cohen. Maybe hedge owl could clear that up?

Devin the Omniscient wrote:
If anyone nightkills either of his dancers, he becomes enraged and attacks the killer every night until the killer meets death.
I also went back and found this in the Sander Cohen role description. He seems to only be able to kill those who NK his dancers. And even then he just has a 30% chance of doing so every night.

But does he have to get 5 votes before he can revenge kill, or is that a full game ability? Also, when searching for his former students, does he find out who a player is if they are not his student? I kind of doubt it, but I could be wrong there.

Here's one :

Hedgeowl wrote:
Nevinera wrote:I'm not sure what you think is a slip-up.
Drawing attention to myself probably was?

It hardly matters though, you don't need to convince the civs to vote for me,
you need to convince the other LMS folks to do so.
I'm not just a civ, I'm seriously no threat to anyone now.
All I've got is data, and its pretty useless data after last night.
I can tell you the roles of three of the dead folks, and I can point out two individuals as members of Ryan's army,
But since there is effectively no longer an alliance of civs trying to lynch the baddie threat
(instead, there is a mob of LMS players trying to lynch the ones most likely to kill them),
None of my info is remotely useful.
Do you not consider the 2nd civ team an alliance? I am confused by this statement. Why are you just sharing this data now? There's not a lot of roles i can come up with that would have so much claimed intel.

I went back and checked and Nev has only received one vote and that was a self vote for a plasmid. He has not received 5 votes, so if he is who I think, he is still independent. I have no idea if he has reached his win goal yet though becuase specific roles must be dead for his win. 2 are confirmed dead for Cohen, so its almost impossible to know. I can't figure out another role he could be and claim so much 'intel' unless he is straight up bad. However, this is starting to sound like a repeat of beajira. 'I not a threat to you, let me help you.'

Dom- i definitely think we still need suspects, just feeling the utter doom and gloom you mentioned when 6 people die in one night. Just feels like why bother if we'll all be NKd in the next two nights.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but it seems to me that sander Cohen doesn't become a killer until after he receives 5 votes in the same lynch. Have I got that wrong?

Why do you think he is Cohen? Someone else also said that, but I'm not sure i understand the reason for that.

I think I'm going to follow Nev's vote on hedge owl. If it pans out, then he may be right about boomslang as well. If it doesn't, then nev could be on the chopping block next.

For Bullzeye to pop in with that little bit of advice there, sounds like he might have a vested interest.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:
Matahari wrote:I'm here Dom. Not sure why you would forget that I was playing, even with rl issues the last couple days, I've been more active than some. Especially spaghetti. I no longer trust quiet spaghetti and he is probably going to get my vote today, barring a confession from someone.
Uhhhh... what? Would you please care to explain why?

Sure, be glad to. You've been very blendy. You mentioned suspicions of Aces. But you haven't followed up on this, why not? He has almost dropped off the radar.

You were also suspicious of Dom, but again, you haven't followed up.

You voted dex for his odd style but dismissed vomps for his odd style. Why?

Are you still suspicious of aces and Dom, and why or why not?

I'm here Dom. Not sure why you would forget that I was playing, even with rl issues the last couple days, I've been more active than some. Especially spaghetti. I no longer trust quiet spaghetti and he is probably going to get my vote today, barring a confession from someone.

Nevinera wrote:
>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:Uhh... wow. is all i really have to say about that. I reaaaally hope some baddies got taken out with that one as well.
I am almost certain that at least two of those players were bad, and have strong evidence that one more of them was.
Bad in the sense of 'on one of the original baddie teams'.
Now that all the Ryaners are lms, the list of 'people that want me dead to win' has gotten unpleasantly long :-(

Nev, I'm not sure about the meaning of your last sentence. I haven't noticed anyone acting suspicious of you/trying to trump up a case. Or did you just mean that in a general way, as in all civvies are in more danger?

I have voted Bea.

After reading through, I will say that I can't pick up 'baddie speaking' from all of Beas posts. Some of them sound very sincere. But with all that has come out today, and looking at Ajiras style as a baddie, I think Bea should go.

I also agree that INH should be looked at, maybe after he can speak again.

My RL has taken a dive again. I've skimmed, and it looks like I'll still be voting Bea, but after 7 tonight, I should have more time to read up and make my vote.

Kate- I'm going to answer this really quickly, as I'm on my way to pick up my father and bring him home from hospital! Yay! So it will be later today before I get back into the game-

Candie, definitely! I thought I answered yesterday about the Grimms comparison, but I may have just been thinking of answering. RL was hectic. Yes, the comparisons sound dead on correct, and I'll probably be voting Bea today as well, but will post longer, later.

A game without zaniness would be a very sad game, but I'm afraid that the zany one needs to be tested.
voting zany dex

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