The Syndicate

Ugh, never trusting boogs again.

Sorry BWT I misread your question. If we lynched boogs and he flipped baddie I don't think I'd suspect anyone, because I think finding the last baddie will end the game.

No, I'm not willing to vote boogs today, I don't think he's bad. I'm not willing at this point to trust llama's judgement of BWT, even though I think llama is good.

I will be voting BWT. BWT, the answer to your question is that I would still be suspecting you if we lynched boogs today, since I dont suspect him to be the last mafia to begin with.

Well it has been done so I'm not discounting it Boogs, but it is a numbers game. Once the mafia are equal in number to the civvies, they win. So if there were two of them at this late point in the game, I think they would have been both trying to survive but thats just my opinion.

I think BWT is my #1 choice for last baddie. If he's not, then I hate to admit it but #2 choice would be Boogs, sorry baby. I really really think I know what his role is though, so I'm not really entertaining it until I'm forced to. BWT I was kind of blindly trusting llama. I would be looking at llama too, except for he helped us lynch DP.

Sorry I meant to keep typing lol. RIPIYWG MP & SE, I didn't think either of you were.

I'm kind of shocked that the game isn't over with both of them dead.

Hope you get better soon Kate. Don't apologize, you do this so that we can have fun and appreciate your efforts, so I'm not complaining by any means when you can't show up. I know that things come up

Omg u r so bad se, that is a flat out lie. Boogs and I have not agreed all game and if you disagree you can look at fhs vote analysi.ds of us yesterday. The extent of our connection is that I believe him to be good and our agreement mp is bad. Besides its very likely theres only one baddie on the team left so its unlikely were working together, youre grasping at straws. Fhs analysis of u from yesterday paints a perfect picture and you are definitely getting my vote tomorrow, I can wait on mp.

FH I think your analysis of SE makes a lot of sense. And I think youre the person I trust most at this point, as you said Hero tried to kill you and you have voted with the civs against DP

FWIW I am waiting to see what happens tonight. Since the order of PMs matter, it is possible Hero killed bc he sent in his PM first and then was killed.

I also am feeling good fluffy things about llama, roxy & FH now. My #1 choice for likely baddie tomorrow is probably SE.

linki - ill read that in a second lol

I think if he's still alive he should NK you

Linki: Maybe I am misremembering, I'll look into it, thanks llama. Of course for me to believe you on the 5 civvie thing is a big leap of faith but i understand why if you're good why you'd think that.

llama, where are you getting these numbers? Just curious. bc we still dont know BWT was good, so how do you know boogs has voted a civ 5 times? You said the same thing about me recently, when really we only knew two of the roles of the 4 people I'd voted at the time.

Awesome

Sorry DP. You're making me emotional and cause me to hesitate. Still, I promised I'd vote this way and I don't trust MP so heres to hoping we got a baddie >.<

i think i kind of believe bwt, i could vote dp with you guys as well. not that you asked for my input

linki - oh grief, idk. If hero had to be one of those two I think DP is more likely, i think ive narrowed down Boogs' role just based on things he's said.

yeah he and i havent really been on the same page the whole game tbh

ugh idk who to vote for

I know you want to avoid baddie manipulation, but if you're right about who you suspect, they've already voted, so it shouldnt be a problem, right?

And even if he can't post smilies any more for whatever reason, the least he could do is vote who he wants us to lynch, so we don't have all those silly messy posts. Whenever I am silenced, I vote early so everyone knows 1) where i stand and 2) can deduced I've been silenced. I dont recall being insanified any time recently but I would also surely make a point of doing that. I would like to know who he wants us to lynch so I can vote to lynch someone else, lol.

Sorry quote fail. But rest assured he has used smilies this day period.

Roxy wrote:Bf put up or shut up about me (said in the nicest possible way)

Boogs no one will NK you - you have too much suspicion on you

Bf - looks like MP is telling you he can't use smilies.

Yeah, convenient isn't it? Except he used them here.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boogs wrote:Not saying much more per rules, but remember how I've been good at noticing things and re read all the roles. It's my final plea to tell you to trust SVS and Russ and think of who are the real suspects.

The risk of your mind. Yes, Yes, steal your soul.

MovingPictures07 wrote:The ideal nipple and wait for catching on today.

And here.

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The World Taekwondo Federation said!

Also, I'm not going to shut up about you, telling me that makes me eye you all the more. It's not a very civvie thing to say in my opinion, as a good guy I eagerly want to address everyone's suspicions and make them feel better about me and convince them I shouldnt be the one to look at. I don't have time to build a case on you, I can have an opinion. I understand it was in the nicest way possible, but trying to shut me up is certainly not the way to purge suspicion.

MP, you are being difficult and you know it. I think you are trying to sow confusion. Since I've noticed you can post smilies, for god's sake, please quote this post.

means you want us to lynch boogs

means you want us to lynch BWT

means you want us to lynch DP

Obviously, since I dont trust you, I will probably do the opposite of what you suggest.

I honestly don't understand how you could possibly be hero either, and I could be completely wrong you've been recruited, but whatever. You say I'm off, I say you're way off. Your post trying to condemn me compared to the post you used to catch Epig pales in comparison, it was a stark difference and TBH a sad attempt. You are posting these long confusing jumbled posts often instead of simply responding with yes nods and no shakes to peoples questions of you, I think you're trying to sow confusion. Then, tomorrow whatever outcome happens you can hide behind the fact "I never said that". To eliminate that excuse & simplify guesswork, please just comply with that request.

On top of that, you talked about lynching me while I was not here to defend myself yesterday, talked about tying it up and then in the end ABSTAINED from voting. If thats not weird MP behavior, I don't know what is. Then trying to blow off my logic of Boogs not having teammates because he's been asking me all these OT questions as not being civvie BF. I think thats a perfectly sound conclusion to jump to. He'd be putting a lot of extra unnecessary weird effort into trying to trick me when he can learn all his tricks from his alleged teammates. The more you post, the more I don't agree with you. And the fact that you are still with us as a "confirmed civvie" worries me even more. The fact that Epig tried to convince everyone you'd been recruited on his way out and then we lynched him and he came back baddie, tells me that maybe they had a recruitment up their sleeve, and that was your ticket out: WIFOM.

Anyway, I'm getting way off topic, because I know no one will vote MP with me today as he's insanified but I think in contrast HE needs to be looked at next lynch TBQH. The post that I keep remembering in my head was when you first mentioned boogs as being suspicious, you said something along the lines of "Oh don't worry, after you lose you get over it, i've played a lot of games and only won x amount of times" ... as if it were a sure thing Boogs would get lynched, just because you deemed it should happen. If you are good, I just want you to come off the pedestal. I want to remind you that in all I'm saying nothing is personal of course and I don't want any argument that follows to become heated. I just think your role is bad now, or perhaps to begin with, though I don't understand how it could have occurred.

That being said, I'll wait and see if MP complies by posting a smiley or continues to confuse people and derail the thread with their trying to interpret his meanings. I could be convinced to vote for DP or BWT, or Roxy if anyone can come up with a case against her, I don't have the time to but I just have a bad feeling in my gut. SE is also someone I could vote for if there were a case. Roxy says I've been blendy, what about SE?

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:RIPIYWG All three of you. I think SVS and Ambray were civ but I dont know about reywaS. Boogs, all this accusing MP of being herobrine or baddie seems really ridiculous to me. I feel like youre a baddie backed into a wall and you're throwing theories around like crazy in hopes someone will follow your lead. I really dont think MP has been saying follow his lead all the time, people just do that because he seems to know what he is doing and giving his own valuable input.

On a side note, I'm going through a lot of stuff IRL right now and its really messing me up bad and sometimes I just dont have the heart to come back on here and play mafia. I know its getting towards the end of the game, so do what you must.

Actually no ones really been following him, a prime example is I didn't get lynched yesterday.

watch your language baby.

RIPIYWG All,

I found my thoughts aligning with SVS pretty often, I think she was probably good. Undecided on the others, I've obviously missed role hints or something but was leaning bad with Ambray.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, I don't necessarily think you're baddie. Those are my paranoid candidates, i.e. if one of you is tricking me. And yes I know it's the second time I've mentioned you; it's partially by process of elimination and lately I have had the occasional thought that you could be baddie. You did focus on Snow Dog and I found it weird that you said you couldn't read DP, so I have had the paranoid thought that you two could be the other two on that team. I've wondered about all of those I listed in that grouping, but I'm far for advocating any of your lynch. I just am trying to keep open to all possibilities, and that if BF and SE aren't on Epig's team, for example, and there are still two others left, then it would have to be one of those two, including you. We are getting at least somewhat down to the wire, so we can't afford to make any mistakes, and I don't want to blindly trust you or anyone else just because you're reading civvie to me, does that make sense?

Does anyone else have a read on Rox for that matter or rey, S~V~S, etc. (who hasn't commented about any of those already)?

Boogs wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, not a TON to say here, and my brain feels okay enough now, apparently, lol. I definitely am on with a Boogs lynch; it makes total sense that he could be mafia or Hero.

BF, thank you very much for your response and for clarifying your train of thought re: a few of your posts. Also, I'm sorry I contemplated railroading you without you being there to respond yesterday, but I am really reading Ambray as civvie and I was reading Snow Dog as civvie (but with some paranoia), so they were two terrible options. I was reading Boogs as bad for quite a bit, but then Russ flipped civ, and he kind of dropped off my radar, unfortunately.

I think if Boogs is not Hero, and he very well could be, then he must be either the last member of Epig's team (assuming indi was bad), OR he's a third member and the fourth member could very well be BF or SE.

I'm not planning on voting BWT or llama any time soon. Even before BWT's response, I highly anticipated there being a likely reason for llama's viewpoints, and it actually makes both of their behavior throughout the game rather clear. Now that BWT has responded, it has confirmed those suspicions, so I don't think distrusting either of them would be wise. It does fall in line with my favorable (but was still questioning at times) reads on both of them as well.

In summary: Boogs, BF, and SE seem most likely to be our remaining baddies, without a doubt. Worst case scenario, I'm also considering rey, DP, Rox, and S~V~S, but I'm currently leaning civvie on those individuals. I agree we definitely lynch Boogs tomorrow and go from there.

It's highly unlikely both couples were on a team but sure. I'm not bad but if you east to try to lynch me MP hoping I am Hero or Baddie, you're in for a shock tomorrow and lost another civ. Read me how you want, but the Rogue is loving this.

How? It's just as likely as any other combination, correct?

Who is baddie then?

Roxy wrote:Also MP - you have said nothing about Rey. What do you think of what I said about him and also what I said about spaghetti

I've been reading rey as civvie, but I don't know. He has been a bit on the quiet side. I'd have to re-read him again, but he hasn't given me any reason to distrust him. That being said, he has been focused entirely on llama and relatively unhelpful, but he was the first to pick up on Snow Dog's role. I don't know about him.

I definitely think SE could be baddie, but I'm not sure. Good observations about him, I do agree he's been blendy. I'm not sure if it's because he's bad or not though, but he's up there in terms of for me.

blindfaeth wrote:Maybe boogs has blindsided me, but I just dont think he's bad. If he is, I'd say he has to be hero, because all of his off topic mafia-related questions are being directed to me outside of the game. For example "How do i edit a post" - "You can't, say EBWOP, it means edit by way of post". So unless he's putting forth a lot of extra effort to do something like that, I just don't think he has temamates.

In any case MP, I am not bad, so apparently you are wrong about two people, I suggest you start working out those possibilities in case things go south.

I guess at this point re: MP's feedback on Ambray I'm inclined to look at DP and Roxy and SE as candidates? I'm just really not sure.

This doesn't mean anything though. He could be mafia asking you those same questions, correct?

And I don't like your response in the second line here. Seems pingy to me. I don't understand how you're so sure of him being civvie. How about you go on his in-game behavior?

This doesn't feel like civvie BF to me. I could be wrong, but it just seems off.

You've seemed off to me ever since you came back a confirmed civvie TBQH, I still don't trust you fully. Yet in the midst of being accused by you constantly I hold faith that you'll come to your senses and find the real baddies

Maybe boogs has blindsided me, but I just dont think he's bad. If he is, I'd say he has to be hero, because all of his off topic mafia-related questions are being directed to me outside of the game. For example "How do i edit a post" - "You can't, say EBWOP, it means edit by way of post". So unless he's putting forth a lot of extra effort to do something like that, I just don't think he has temamates.

In any case MP, I am not bad, so apparently you are wrong about two people, I suggest you start working out those possibilities in case things go south.

I guess at this point re: MP's feedback on Ambray I'm inclined to look at DP and Roxy and SE as candidates? I'm just really not sure.

Ok I'm out until later. Hope that's food for thought. There was a whole page and a half that I couldn't follow because it was all behind the scenes info drops and assumptions I'm not in on. But I am a civvie and a bf lynch would be bad tomorrow.

Flyin' High wrote:

Boogs wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:

thellama73 wrote:If we trust Russ that either indi or Boogs is bad, I would bet Boogs since he voted for a civvie four nights in a row.

Right, and indi was an Epignosis voter and was killed by Herobrine so it couldn't have been her. Whoever Russ targeted on Night 1 or 2 must have been targeted by both indi and Boogs on the same night and was also either killed or had a kill attempted on them that night which would have led Russ to say that.

After I'm done reading through Day 3 I want to go back through boogs' posts again and also see who may have been defending boogs (blindfaeth immediately comes to mind).

I had voted for Snow 2 times because I felt he was bad and have been consistent with voting on how I felt. It is my first game so maybe I don't pick up as some others. I felt confident Snow was bad but obviously was proven wrong. Honestly, I really feel the lynch needs to be BWT because Ambray was on to something but I'm not going to say more to give info to the baddies.

As for BF, we both have been busy and haven't been on and posting as much as MP and others. That doesn't make us being low posters "bad" because we have other thing going on. BF has been pretty good seeing who is bad and I think he is also Civ.

Others have been wrong lynching Civs including MP himself leading the Russ lynch.

It seems like your response completely ignored what I was pointing out by quoting Russ' posts though. He indicated that he felt either you or indi were bad and that we'd understand why he said that if he got lynched. He was the Minecart. Meaning he can track a player and see who targets them at night. What're your thoughts on that?

Didn't he also say right before he got lynched though that he thought boogs was good and not to lynch him?

Ambray wrote:Sorry I have not been here. I have worked 12hour days the today and yesterday and was just shattered when I got home so fell asleep and missed everything. Completely forgot, tbh.

I am amazed at getting those votes without even given any time to defend. You didn't know that I would know be here, so...

Infact, that post where SVS explained why I am suspicious AFTER her vote is the first time someone has actually ran through what the suspicions are as opposed to 'I don't like how she's going after BWT'.

Spaghetti, your logic of, I think she's bad because of how she is going after BWT has me confused. We don't know his role, so how does it make ME bad?

BWT. I'll be honest, MP has thrown a spanner in my works. I thought I knew how I survived and it made you the SK and I got tunnel vision. I didn't think MP would've protected me, so...it is what it is.

I want to look at BF tomorrow, too. Especially with how he jumped on voting me. Roxy is also something who is slowly getting my eye. What do poeple think of her?

I haven't jumped on voting you. I mentioned several times that I was pinged by you. MP are you sure she's good because I don't like being misrepresented.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Assuming I am alive tomorrow, I will be voting BF, unless someone can convince me otherwise that llama or someone else is baddie. But I don't think so. I want to hear his response, but my gut when I read over his posts just screamed baddie to me.

I think you're paranoid that I'm pulling the wool over your eyes again like I did in computer lab mafia way back. I assure you that you can trust me.

FWIW I thought the Rey post above this was a little odd, saying ill read someone and then not doing it is something I only do when I'm bad or uninterested. Could be he's busy too but just thought I'd share.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Where's Rox, dang it? I want to tie up BF with Snow Dog, lol.

Ugh. I guess vote llama then, if that's how you feel, and I'll make a decision here.

I have to say, I really don't appreciate all of this lol. That would be such a scummy way to leave. In any case, if you're sure ambray isn't bad, then between her and snowie and I there was no one bad even being looked at this lynch with much severity.

Flyin' High wrote:I am so torn on where to vote. I was all set to vote for Snow Dog today because he's pinging me the most out of the current list of suspicious characters. But MP's hestitation is making me hesitate. Snow Dog is doing the desperate civvie routine which could be totally genuine, but I've been burned into believing the pleas before when they were really just lies...

I read back through all of blindfaeth's posts and I feel like more of his posts read civvie to me than not. However, his recent posts were a bit "off" for him. He's also much more quiet in this game. But he did just get a big promotion at work, so I know that has taken some of his attention (and apparently he got a 3DS, fun!). So, at this point I could go either way on BF.

I can say pretty much the same about llama. Some of his posts read civvie to me, others make me think he can't be trusted.

FH you are right in feeling this way, please continue to follow your gut, I am good. Please highlight what was odd about my recent posts so I can address any issues you have with them.

thellama73 wrote:EBWOP: Okay, I am a LITTLE concerned given thta I have one vote and MP is indicating that he will give me another. But that's concern of a different nature than what you were talking about.

Fwiw I thought this was odd because if anything I felt it was more certain he'd vote me, not llama.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:If I can get others to vote with me, I'll be voting BF. If I can't, I guess I'll vote llama, for lack of a better option.

I don't think I want Snow Dog lynched and I DEFINITELY don't want Ambray lynched. Be back in a bit now.

Linki: I have firm reason to believe she survived that NK for civvie reasons beyond that.

I think I'm going to vote Snow Dog for today. BF is my second highest though so next day I could see myself throwing a vote his way. If Snow Dog turns up bad it'll only strengthen it due to his sudden mind change.

Just curious if this was weakened due to snow coming back civ.

Also, a post or so above this mp keeps mentioning he does not think ambray is bad and not to lynch her, she survived a sk kill. So what, she didn't survive a baddie kill, she could still be bad.

Anyway, based on knowing your role though I don't see a way you could know she's not bad, idk if you're receiving secret abilities from the potion for example so ill trust you in this regard moving forward, but you have to agree that going into the lynch this was NOT clearly the case. However I will say I know you've said someone you trust has lied even if I am bad. Well I'm afraid two people have lied then, because I'm clean as a whistle. I don't really understand how you could have narrowed everything down so quickly, it's only like night 3, but regardless, I don't need to have my curiosity satisfied.

Hi,

I haven't really caught up fully but I will try to alleviate people's feelings about me. First I've seen several people comment that me or others have voted civvies several times, lets keep in mind the only people who know who all the civvies are are the baddies. If you are bad you know everyone else is Indy or civvie, if you are civvie you know nothing.

Secondly MP I know you looked back and saw that at first I was going for boat and then changed my mind. If you look back at that post, the third option really was kind of an afterthought, I didn't even know it was an option until I looked up at the poll. Regardless, if you'll recall I pushed for your lynch day 1 because of your reply thinking it was possibly the bad option, I still don't understand why you changed your mind. It's something we're not allowed to talk about but it was definitely posted after the host post when any PMs would have been sent out is all I'm saying. So I think it was a sound logical jump. When you changed your mind I thought you were a baddie that had been caught and switched his tune to try and save face.

Alright I'll try to fully catch up in a moment I'm on my lunch break. And then address any other concerns I missed at a glimpse.

Eh, I'm gonna vote Ambray, because DP and Roxy both have lightly mentioned me and they are thinking about voting snow dog. If they're wrong about me maybe they're wrong about him too.

Definitely, and we should trade sometime

I disagree that I'm being blendy, but I'm certainly more quiet than usual. I've got a brand new toy and its called a 3DS Love me some Pokemon.

Hi all, sorry I haven't been around.

I could vote either way, but I'm leaning towards Snow Dog, because Ambray is only a twitch at this point. She has been making me nervous though, I need to think about it.

Linki w/ snow dog

I thought I posted last night after the lynch, sorry.

RIP Russ I'm sorry I suspected you. In retrospect, it makes sense that you knew what you did, since you were the minecart. I've enjoyed playing with you though & look forward to more games in the future

Well I'm sort of at a loss beyond llama/snow dog, I do have a nagging feeling about Ambray but nothing solid.

I'd like to hear what BWT was trying to say yesterday while insanified, hopefully that will be enlightening.

I don't really have anything to add to the discussion at this point but Boogs is coming over and later we're heading over to a friend's house for board games, so I'll go ahead and cast my vote for Russ.

Are we sure Skeletor didn't find his way over to this game? Lol, because I also find it hard to believe Boogs is "more likely" a teammate of Epig than Russ.

Well RIPIYWG Eloh, which reminds me, llama's post-night comment made me nervous, telling her to BIH when we still don't know for sure her allegiance. Id still like to look at him or snow dog or russ this coming lynch.

hm.

Well all of that info regarding Russ was certainly enlightening. (Also frustrating, because much of what people were saying I came up with as I was reading only to find someone else had posted first )

I really am pulled in three directions lol. MP's original linking to Epig to Eloh is pretty damning. I'm not sure I'm fully informed on the reasons she's suspicious but as far as defending her husband I could see why a civvie would do this, this being my first game with Boogs I feel similarly. I want him to be good, and I want him to do well and like the game, so I want to vouch for him. Anyway, if I'm not mistaken this is the first game she's played with him, in MOTU he is the host, so it is a different dynamic. I agree we should continue looking at her, but I can be dissuaded.

The stuff on Russ is pretty telling when lined up, especially the stuff before MP was rezzed, like the push that epig was probably framed, asking he-mans opinion yet asking him not to have tunnel vision. Even after the rez I can see evidence of how he could possibly be subtly pushing for Eloh's lynch, which we all seemed so sure would come back in our favor. And as MP has already said, if Eloh was lynched and came back good, it probably would have cast doubt on Epig being bad. I agree he should be put under a magnifying glass.

I'm still uneasy about Snow Dog. llama too, but ive been feeling better about him with time but I'm keeping my eye on him. Snow Dog's non-epi vote just to be different and then claiming "see, i didn't feel the need to vote epi cuz hes not my teammate" is kind of weird. Then the "baddies must be in the epi's vote" statement and I think he also has been advocating that people late in the vote for him are more likely to be his teammates. It could just be reasoning that I don't agree with. I personally disagree, I think experienced mafia players can tell pretty well from watching the thread and people's reactions to posts whether the thread is heading in the direction of a lynch for a particular person. And could vote early accordingly. That being said, I agree I feel good about FH, I remember my thoughts lining up with hers pretty well several times.

Ambray makes me a little uneasy this game, I think it could be her light suspicion of boogs (which again, why am i concerned, I need to get over this partner hump, pun intended)... but the way she implied it a couple times made me uneasy, sounded almost like stirring the pot and hoping others would pick up the suspicion.

BBL I'm sure everyone will post way too much again and I'll have 3 pages of reading

some linki

Good job all

I think one of llama and snow dog must be bad. Snow dog really seemed to be trying to steer the masses away from the epig lynch, I wonder if he was just a mistaken civvie or a teammate going for wifom. I'd feel comfortable looking at either of them or Eloh day 3.

Linki, I kind of agree, I'd hate to make choices based on an uncertainty, but ultimately that decision is in Stevie's hands

Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

So far I have no reason to believe Boogs is bad beyond the fact that we don't seem to be thinking very similarly along the lines of who may be bad. He has pulled the wool over my eyes in games before but I'm leaning civvie on him so far. He is very smart and catches onto things quick, I literally watched him look at the first page and figure out the "oh wait the aether portal does such and such, someone is off the poll, let me find out who it was"

I hope that helps. Basically, I've introduced him to mafia & similar games before but nothing is ever as complicated as the roles we all make up. They have like 4 things: a vanilla townsperson, a doctor, a seer, and some werewolves. So I just think he is being bombarded with lots of different options/possibilities of logic hes not accustomed to being able to play with and taking steps to try and be helpful.

Very interesting MP I have to say its given me a lot to think about. I wouldn't put it past SVS to try killing herself, but I've never been any good at reading her.

I do agree though that epig is the obvious lynch choice. It didn't occur to me but that totally makes sense. That probably the sword did not save him unless he is the sword, in which case hell survive a lynch today so it's a win win.

It makes me nervous that llama is the only one with a vote, so ill go ahead and cast mine for epig.

Linki x4

RIPiywg indigo. Wb MP!

Although to add to my previous thought, given that there is only one mafia team, and given that they also want the rogue dead because its one of their goals in order to win the game, I personally think they would probably be more concerned with getting rid of the really "good" players. Don't get me wrong, every person is valuable, whether you post a lot or a little. I'm just saying that MP has been playing a long time, posts often and has a lot of content. How accurately he perceives things as a civvie, I don't know. But he does put a lot of time and effort into the game. In general, you don't like having that type of person as an enemy, so I don't necessarily see eliminating him when they had the chance as being very outrageous. I hope that makes some sense.

Well given what Roxy is saying regarding MP having suspicion, perhaps it wasn't a lynch switch but instead some sort of vote manipulation. IE MP got lynched because he really did have the most votes, for whatever reason. It would be a hard sell.... but theoretically possible, I guess. I'm still leaning Epi is bad.

Meh,

I really just think it was the baddie switch. Whether it was to save him or frame him, is what's bothering me. All three of my teammates from the game I was talking about are present here. SVS, ambray and Rey. So they are certainly capable of coming up with the idea but having happened so recently and with all the teammates from that game here, is it too risky? Maybe, but I suppose I'll keep an eye on them. Unless Eli is the sword I can't see a reason why he'd switch, and like someone pointed out, he wasn't eyeing mp right, so that doesn't really add up. The main purpose of day 1 is to get information. Usually it ends in disaster and a civvie gets lynched, which is unfortunate. If you get a baddie, great, but otherwise the results of that first lynch give you circumstantial info. To have switched it makes everything muddied and creates confusion.