The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:43 pm I'll probably die tonight though I wouldn't be shocked if the mafia kept me around for shits. But then again, I did at least did nab sanmateo this game, so that's something.

It's never Daisy, BWT, or NT. It's almost never nutella or Serge. It's almost certainly Dom.

Spacedaisy

birdwithteeth11
NewTraditionalist

nutella
Serge

Dom

Whichever townies remain: Win this game. Please don't let this one slip away. Do it for yourself. Do it for Sloonei, who deserves to win.

I'll probably die tonight though I wouldn't be shocked if the mafia kept me around for shits. But then again, I did at least did nab sanmateo this game, so that's something.

It's never Daisy, BWT, or NT. It's almost never nutella or Serge. It's almost certainly Dom.

Seriously, this is beyond upsetting. I'm destined to be perpetually wrong when town, apparently. Don't know why anyone even listens to me. Though over half of the players weren't even here to listen so whatever.

Well, I'm a fucking moron. Sorry, Sloonei.

It has to be Dom.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:56 pm I'm sticking with Sloonei, I keep coming back to the speedchuck kill and I can't see how it makes sense for anyone but sloonei. And none of the people you are accusing right now are active enough to really have come up with that kill in order to frame you and if Dom was a low playing scum, that would not be the person he kills. I just think it's more likely Sloonei. I'm leaving my vote.

And now I am stuck going back to work because some stupid employee decided she was going home, without permission and left the other guy alone. Never mind that it will put my into OT oh and I am BROKE OUT IN HIVES! I fucking hate retail.

Alright, good deal, I'm cool with Sloonei. Hope we're right.

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention], what do you think?

To elaborate, I think Dom's recent posts read genuine. I could be wrong, but yeah. And I still think: DDL's treatment of Sloonei looks suspicious, the speedchuck kill makes more sense from baddie Sloonei than baddie Dom, etc.

I'll move back to Sloonei.

I still stand by my assessment that it's Sloonei, for the record. I just wanted to thoroughly consider everything and wanted to put some pressure on you, Dom. Whenever I say "99%", it just means I'm tunneling.

Dom, thanks for responding. I'm mulling over it.

Hey Dom! What do you think, who's our last bad guy?

I'm dying internally of tension.

The dead are more interested in this game than the living. Sad!

I suppose I'll MOVE MY VOTE TO DOM for now. Not sure what I'm going to do to be honest.

Please, anyone, show up and say something.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:31 pm I'm not big on self-defense purely for the sake of self-defense, but I will advocate for myself when I feel I have something contributive (that's a real word, don't look it up) to say. And right now I'll say this for myself: Even in the face of all that you've had to say against me tonight, I've maintained, as much as I can, a focus on investigating others. Not because I want to turn the attention away from myself, but because I want us to make the right choice today.

People just pulled into my driveway so I gotta go. Make the right choice, and good game either way.

You bet, bud.

I'll take that into consideration.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:28 pm In the abstract though, Sloonei, which do you think is most likely?

a) sanmateo and DDL did not in any way mention or interact with their third teammate
b) sanmateo said something about or to their third teammate but DDL did not
c) DDL said something about or to their third teammate but sanmateo did not
d) both sanmateo and DDL said something about or to their third teammate

To answer my own question, if I'm not considering what's actually happened or anyone specifically, I'd say something like c > d > b > a in terms of most to least likely.

In the abstract though, Sloonei, which do you think is most likely?

a) sanmateo and DDL did not in any way mention or interact with their third teammate
b) sanmateo said something about or to their third teammate but DDL did not
c) DDL said something about or to their third teammate but sanmateo did not
d) both sanmateo and DDL said something about or to their third teammate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:26 pm It's also possible that Dom felt resigned coming into today but wasn't ready to wave the white flag just yet, so he put up a token accusatory post and then drifted off, not wanting to indict himself or waste any energy on a lost cause. I could read that in his posts.

That's entirely possible, especially since he wasn't the one being condemned to death today (instead it was Serge).

Regardless of your alignment, the sheer amount of effort you've given to this game is beyond commendable, Sloonei. You really deserve to win either way.

Man, this sucks.

40 minutes. Agh. I really hope others show up. I know Daisy will, or I highly suspect she will. I would have thought at least nutella would as well, at the very least.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:18 pm If you're the last scum I'll see what I can do about legally entering your service as a slave, because you will have already thoroughly owned me.

I really wish I was. I'd love to be this townread as scum. It's been a long while since I owned a game like this. But sadly, not the case.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:17 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:15 pm I just have a hard time believing the third scum is that apathetic right now, unless that person was Serge because it all seemed like it was going to be him today for sure, but the way he responded didn't read that way at all.
Have you ever seen a player do what Serge did and still turn out to be scum?

I don't think so? I mean, I faked that before, so I guess me.

But I can't think of another instance off the top of my head. His sentiments about being frustrated because people don't know his playstyle rung really true too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:16 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:13 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:09 pm I just can't see how that's a logical argument for a scum Dom to make right now though. If he were scum, wouldn't he be trying to convince us of the existence of a busser, since nearly all of us did vote for DDL?
Yes, but I also think town Dom would make this argument as well because, like you said, everyone voted for DDL. His post feels like someone clutching at straws not all that desperately, because he doesn't seem to really care.
Yeah, that's my point, you'd think if he was scum he would care just a bit more and would make a different argument.
Not if he's not invested in the game.

Yeah, I suppose. I don't know about you but I always feel even more guilty about coasting or being uninvested as scum than town.

I am torn, believe it or not. It could very well be Dom. I'll really be mad at myself if we lynched you and I was wrong. I'll think about it.

I just have a hard time believing the third scum is that apathetic right now, unless that person was Serge because it all seemed like it was going to be him today for sure, but the way he responded didn't read that way at all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:13 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:09 pm I just can't see how that's a logical argument for a scum Dom to make right now though. If he were scum, wouldn't he be trying to convince us of the existence of a busser, since nearly all of us did vote for DDL?
Yes, but I also think town Dom would make this argument as well because, like you said, everyone voted for DDL. His post feels like someone clutching at straws not all that desperately, because he doesn't seem to really care.

Yeah, that's my point, you'd think if he was scum he would care just a bit more and would make a different argument.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:12 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:10 pm The last scumster right now would be desperately trying to find any reason to cast suspicion on anyone else but him/her. The only person doing that this cycle is you, Sloonei.
well yeah, because you an me are the only people here at all this cycle, and you're trying to focus all the attention on me. Should I just say "Yeah, go ahead, you can lynch me!"?

Well, if it is you, a confession would be nice.

Just kidding, I wouldn't want any baddie to give up, especially if it is you, because if it is you this is the most brilliant scum game I've seen you play, probably even better than SF.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:11 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:07 pm I'm sorry, Sloonei, I'm not trying to annoy you or anything here. I just am giving it all I've got. In my mind it has to be you or Dom at this stage, 99% sure, and I still think it's you. If it's Dom, it's sheer luck. I think there are reasons to believe that you are bad, and I also think DDL's read of you feels like manufactured garbage to give you town cover since you were generally being townread at the time.
I don't mean to discourage you or to say that you personally are annoying me, it's not like that at all. I appreciate the work you're putting in, as I've said. But we're coming up fast on the deadline and suddenly all of the energy in the thread (since it's just the two of us) is focused squarely on me. I was hoping to use most of this time solidifying our reads together to make sure we lynch the right person, but instead I've had to respond to accusations this entire time and it appears that I'm going to be the one getting lynched now due to voter apathy.

Got any legacy thoughts in case you do die?

I'm still mulling over everything, by the way, despite my alleged confidence.

Dom giving such a half-hearted effort seems more like an uninvested townie than baddie to me, if I had to choose one or the other. I realize it's a weak read, but that's what I got right now if I had to say.

[mention]nutella[/mention], what are your thoughts? We have 50 minutes.

The last scumster right now would be desperately trying to find any reason to cast suspicion on anyone else but him/her. The only person doing that this cycle is you, Sloonei.

I just can't see how that's a logical argument for a scum Dom to make right now though. If he were scum, wouldn't he be trying to convince us of the existence of a busser, since nearly all of us did vote for DDL?

I'm sorry, Sloonei, I'm not trying to annoy you or anything here. I just am giving it all I've got. In my mind it has to be you or Dom at this stage, 99% sure, and I still think it's you. If it's Dom, it's sheer luck. I think there are reasons to believe that you are bad, and I also think DDL's read of you feels like manufactured garbage to give you town cover since you were generally being townread at the time.

Well, I did at mention them earlier, so at least if they log onto the site they should have that notification.

I see literally no mentions of or interactions with Dom in either sanmateo or DDL's posts.

If Dom is the last baddie, why doesn't he give a shit at all? He hasn't even been here to cast his vote and there's less than hour left.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:02 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:57 pm MP, I'll ask you again to entertain the idea that I am town and all I want to do right now is work with you to figure out who the last scum is. Please. It's not me. I'm about 80% certain it's Dom.
If it is you and you don't get lynched today, we've almost certainly lost.
How? If we're correct that there's only 1 scum left, then we should have another 2 mislynches in the tank, shouldn't we?

Well, considering you had no suspicion on you before me, and NT, Dom, and BWT are all wild cards for missing each vote, the sense of urgency needs to be high right now. If all three of them are town or even two of them are, which is almost guaranteed, that's as many as two+ missing votes each cycle.

Let me dig back into sanmateo and DDL's posts real fast just to see if they mentioned or interacted with Dom. I didn't see anything before but I wasn't looking for it.

But sure, why Dom? And if not that 80%, what's the 20%?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:57 pm MP, I'll ask you again to entertain the idea that I am town and all I want to do right now is work with you to figure out who the last scum is. Please. It's not me. I'm about 80% certain it's Dom.

If it is you and you don't get lynched today, we've almost certainly lost.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:54 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:51 pm
It doesn't matter; he is literally the only player in the game other than Daisy that said anything remotely negative about you, and then bam, he's dead.
... so? Maybe I was framed. Maybe he was killed because he was a universal town read who was on fire. Maybe there are a hundred reasons he was killed. I never considered myself to be a suspect of his and I was enjoying his presence in this game, as always.

Who would have framed you? Why would you even mention that? You failed to mention it earlier:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:52 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:48 pm What are your thoughts on the speedchuck kill? I was expecting MP to die so it has surprised me.
I also expected MP to die, but nightkill analysis is not my bag. Maybe they were just more afraid of speedchuck because of MP's schedule or something. I don't think either of them were getting any votes from anyone.

Here are all the times DDL interacted with or mentioned Sloonei:

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:41 am
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:02 pm A reads/preliminary rainbow list for me right now would look something like this:

Moderate Town -- would NOT vote
birdwithteeth11
Epignosis
sanmateo

Slight Town -- would NOT vote
speedchuck

==================================================

Neutral-- would potentially vote
Dom
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
NewTraditionalist
nutella
Serge
Spacedaisy

Slight Mafia-- would potentially vote
Long Con
Sloonei

Players are not ranked within groups, only across groups.

Generally I prefer to stick to POE and usually don't feel comfortable making any firm mafia reads at this stage, but despite being hesitant because I do feel LC is a player who can get himself into trouble early on, I'm relatively convinced by Epi's pursuit of LC and would call him a sole slight mafia read. I also am a bit wary of Sloonei; perhaps it's a bit leftover shock still from Street Fighter, but without taking an in-depth look at his ISO I'm not sure I buy Sloonei's attempts to start discussion to be genuine. Specifically, he doesn't seem that interested in actually developing reads and seems a bit too hoppy. But those are just general impressions and maybe I'm being overly paranoid of him.

As for my neutrals, well, I'm not sure how to sort Wilgy or DDL yet. Everyone else has been too quiet or essentially nonexistent, which is disconcerting. Hopefully we hear from them before the deadline.

I'm going to be pretty busy tomorrow, so my activity will be less than ideal. I'll be here in the hour or two leading to EoD though at a minimum; I think I can set aside that time at least.
Weird, Sloonei is givig me strong town vibes. But I guess thats my default reaction to those Jay-type posters who analyse everything. I think Ill spend the game rradig him as civ yet being paranoid about it.

Wilgy made one post (dont remember which) that looked uber civ. But the last time that happened he was bad. So I dunno what to think.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:51 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:48 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:47 pm Let's take a look at exactly how DDL defended Sloonei, shall we? sanmateo never said a word about him, but he gladly jointly went after LC bandwagoners with him.
I'm getting annoyed now. This is annoying.
I thought you had nothing to hide.
Exactly. You're just rummaging through my junk when there's nothing there.

Bullshit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:50 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:48 pm Also, Sloonei, you're full of BS when you say you never believed speedchuck didn't consider you a suspect. He specifically said this right before he died:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:26 am I read through DDL's posts. I recommend doing the same. I'm gonna throw down a chart here.
Xs are suspicions
Vs are votes.
Os are defenses/townreads
Qs are questions
S is a shrug
The number with them tells what phase they were on. 0 is night 0. 1 is D1. 2 is N1. And so on. A little confusing, but necessary. CHART TIME!

MovingPictures07 - X1-X1-X1-X1-V1-X2
nutella - X1-X1-X1-V2-X2
Spacedaisy - X1
Sloonei - O1-O1-O1-X1
speedchuck -
NewTraditionalist -
Serge -
birdwithteeth11 -
Dom -

LC - X0-X0-X1-X1
Dr Wilgy - O1-
sanmateo - S2
Epi - S1-O2

A lot of these townreads, or heck, even scumreads, are weak and DDL backs off as he says them. I considered using lowercase to indicate weakness, but the chart is already hard enough to read.

NT was mentioned in relation to MP's vote for NT. DDL didn't like it. Granted, I wasn't a huge fan either.
Those with no mentions were technically a part of DDL's posts when he said stuff like "Everyone else is null" but I didn't include that.

I would appreciate everyone looking at DDL's sloon mentions, and sloon's treatement of DDL, and see if it looks more like DDL buddying and sloonei hunting or DDL defending and then distancing.

That looks like a question to me, not a statement of suspicion. He said this even closer to his death:
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:00 pm speedchuck
MovingPictures07
Nutella
NewTraditionalist
birdwithteeth11
Dom
Spacedaisy
Sloonei
Serge

GTH readlist for you spacedaisy. I actually feel better about you and Sloonei than this readlist showed, but I'm more paranoid about you guys. I'm going to try to substantiate these reads before Day 4 end. Assuming scum does the smart thing and kills MP tonight instead of me.

It doesn't matter; he is literally the only player in the game other than Daisy that said anything remotely negative about you, and then bam, he's dead.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:48 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:47 pm Let's take a look at exactly how DDL defended Sloonei, shall we? sanmateo never said a word about him, but he gladly jointly went after LC bandwagoners with him.
I'm getting annoyed now. This is annoying.

I thought you had nothing to hide.

It's about time someone fulfilled your request, speedchuck.

Also, Sloonei, you're full of BS when you say you never believed speedchuck didn't consider you a suspect. He specifically said this right before he died:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:26 am I read through DDL's posts. I recommend doing the same. I'm gonna throw down a chart here.
Xs are suspicions
Vs are votes.
Os are defenses/townreads
Qs are questions
S is a shrug
The number with them tells what phase they were on. 0 is night 0. 1 is D1. 2 is N1. And so on. A little confusing, but necessary. CHART TIME!

MovingPictures07 - X1-X1-X1-X1-V1-X2
nutella - X1-X1-X1-V2-X2
Spacedaisy - X1
Sloonei - O1-O1-O1-X1
speedchuck -
NewTraditionalist -
Serge -
birdwithteeth11 -
Dom -

LC - X0-X0-X1-X1
Dr Wilgy - O1-
sanmateo - S2
Epi - S1-O2

A lot of these townreads, or heck, even scumreads, are weak and DDL backs off as he says them. I considered using lowercase to indicate weakness, but the chart is already hard enough to read.

NT was mentioned in relation to MP's vote for NT. DDL didn't like it. Granted, I wasn't a huge fan either.
Those with no mentions were technically a part of DDL's posts when he said stuff like "Everyone else is null" but I didn't include that.

I would appreciate everyone looking at DDL's sloon mentions, and sloon's treatement of DDL, and see if it looks more like DDL buddying and sloonei hunting or DDL defending and then distancing.

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