The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:13 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:12 am I will say at least one of Juliets or MP should be a wolf based on wagonomics.
Ie five townie didn’t vote Sig while 3 votes were on a wolf.

How do you feel about this now?

Hey Tony, what are your reads right now?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm Consider if Sloonei is the type of player to watch teammate Radish get blasted and teammate Nutella or MP get hanged up on and then replace out after a few posts.

I don’t think he is. A Nutella/Sloonei lynch is similar to a Nutella/Juliets lynch. It’s unlikely to catch two wolves. More likely to catch one even if we’re wrong on our main suspect.

I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

Jack, can you expand on this logic for me?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:03 am Catching up. This is gonna be a lazy ass catch up full.of skimming cuz I don't have patience for that anymore.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:11 pm Okay, I'm finally back.

For some reason, I'm finding it hard to really get myself into this game. If it has felt like that I've been coasting, it's because I kinda have been. Seeing Radish flip red and thinking that I caught MP7 gave me a brief burst of energy, but now I'm feeling lethargic again reading everything.

Right now, I'm second guessing myself on MP7, and am giving Jack's (I think it was him) idea of lynching both Nutella and Juliets some consideration. Nanook not wanting to vote either of MP7 or Juliets kinda sketches me out. I think it sketches me out because everybody has expressed some sort of opinion on those two, plus Nutella, and given that I believe that AT LEAST one of those three are scum, it doesn't make any sense to me why we don't try to resolve them as soon as possible.
This post pings me a little because feels like Hyena is trying to limit the discussion on those 3 people.

Hey DDL, can you explain this one to me some more?

I've personally never played or hosted a hammer game here... I think. Maybe once?

Okay, I'm here now, and the plan is to real time with you all as well as catch up from Day 2 whenever I was most recently caught up. I think it was before halfway through.

Just an FYI, I’ll be here but it may not be until tomorrow. I really needed a day off lol.

As for the night vote... eh. I’ve thought about it and I think I agree option 1 is better. I’ll go with the neighborizer option even if it has a weird downside.

Alright, I'll be back to things later, my head seriously does hurt and my soul is still a bit crushed from that other game F5, but at least now I can properly play with you all after all. I'm really looking forward to it.

So naturally I feel a bit... incensed that I somehow still ended up being the secret vote despite saying multiple times that I was multigaming and my arguments against the secret votes from a conceptual standpoint, but I'm going to try not to let that color my perception too hard. I'm betting at least one if not both scum loved that though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:36 pm See, this is why killing sloonei was better, cause now I have to advocate for killing MP and I like playing with MP and we could’ve had resolved mystery slot and obvious town MP, instead we have dead MP and zombie MP that most likely has a thirst for brains.

I blame jack.

My head hurts.

Alright, so these two night poll options are... strange. I'm actually not sure which one is more pro-town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:33 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:32 pm Yay, I'm back!
are you bad this time

Nope! Thankfully, lol.

Okay, so, obviously I need a break so I don't lose my god damn mind, but otherwise I can actually put my full attention into this game now, so that's fucking awesome.

Yay, I'm back!

I'm really sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:49 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:47 pm I feel like I’m wasting a resource but idk what else to ask. Do I just have blinders on with juliets, is her wolf game really that good?

Only thing that’s vaguely pinged me with her is the overexplanation for a self prez vote
She and LC are two of the hardest players ever for me to read across any site honestly.
Not really. When I'm Civ, I get Civ read more often than not. When I'm bad, it's a huge damn struggle against constant suspicion.

Huh, weird, maybe I just haven't cracked that then.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:47 pm Man what if Nanook and Hyena are scum together though. That could potentially explain the D1 fuckery, maybe?? If I was right about them originally before I changed my mind on both due to the MR flip Imma be mad.

I'm still very much soul reading Nanook as town here fwiw.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:47 pm I feel like I’m wasting a resource but idk what else to ask. Do I just have blinders on with juliets, is her wolf game really that good?

Only thing that’s vaguely pinged me with her is the overexplanation for a self prez vote

She and LC are two of the hardest players ever for me to read across any site honestly.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:46 pm I'm an idiot. MP had a better derpclear than Wilgy.

Wait, I did?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:44 pm Well, I guess I'm sunk unless someone has a last minute change of heart. I'm disappointed but I hope you guys can use my flip to help solve the game. If I'm wrong about juliets, I would look at speed, hyena, maybe tony or nanook. But I still recommend juliets first.

And Jack, you never get to claim you know my meta ever again I'm honestly flattered that you thought this could have been my scum game, but it's simply not true.

Hey look, you got me lynched after all.

I hope you all are right and you at least get a scum nutella flip, could really help break the game wide open.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:38 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:36 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:33 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:32 pm Nanook, I trust you. What can I help you with specifically, anything?
Do you have any useful read on long con? He’s basically null for me and I honestly have no idea how to read him.
He's a really hard player to read, even after all these years I have a tough time with him. I'd say give it a few Days and look for agenda as much as you can, that's the best way to catch him.
Was afraid you’d say that! I suspect he’s gonna have to be a POE read for me.

Any thoughts on chuck, am I wrong to be suspicious there, or is he safely in the POE?

Fwiw, my gut says LC is town, but I'm far from sold on it.

I'm really torn on speedchuck, this is not the speed I'm used to meta-wise. He's much more making cases earlier on and such, it's throwing me off. I'd say his alignment maybe depends on juliets and/or nutella flip?

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:33 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:32 pm Nanook, I trust you. What can I help you with specifically, anything?
Do you have any useful read on long con? He’s basically null for me and I honestly have no idea how to read him.

He's a really hard player to read, even after all these years I have a tough time with him. I'd say give it a few Days and look for agenda as much as you can, that's the best way to catch him.

Nanook, I trust you. What can I help you with specifically, anything?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:26 pm MP talk to me about speed. I know I asked about your vote switch to him earlier but I want an updated take. Do you think he should be a wagon here?

I'm really not sure. I should ISO people but I'm low on time.

Ugh.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:26 pm Maybe Hyena is scum.

Explain this one to me.

Okay, I really don't know how I can best be of use now, but hopefully you all can use my flip at least.

Can we at least not lynch nutella? Or can someone tell me why turning on one of my locktowns is a good idea?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:14 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:12 pm Holy shit, I'm so sorry for not being here, I can actually talk about it now I assume... I literally just lost an F5 by voting another townie in a game where I had over 1,000 posts and tons of angst, so I feel really bad for not doing my best here -- I had no idea these games were going to cross and I had hoped (as it was futile) that I was going to get NKed earlier.
Talk to us about Juliets and Sloonei and Wilgy.

And Nutella since you said "fair enough" to my reasoning for scumreading her but also locked her as town.

My reads are pretty... cloudy here, but I don't really town read any of those players. Are Sloonei and Wilgy still dead spots?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:14 pm Also uh....you're getting secret lynched.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck.

Okay, so what the fuck is going on here, and what can I do right now to help?

Holy shit, I'm so sorry for not being here, I can actually talk about it now I assume... I literally just lost an F5 by voting another townie in a game where I had over 1,000 posts and tons of angst, so I feel really bad for not doing my best here -- I had no idea these games were going to cross and I had hoped (as it was futile) that I was going to get NKed earlier.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:44 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:42 pm Nanook proposed it as a compromise, and my intention is to save you today more than it is to vote a scum read since I don't really have any.
But you went from being the second voter on juliets to being the second voter on speed. It's unnecessary. Yeah if it comes down to it I'd like to be saved, but as far as I can tell (/hope) the juliets wagon is just as viable as the speed one atm. So what exactly is convincing you to move to speed when juliets is lower on your list if all other things are equal? Do you trust Nanook more than me? (It's okay if you do I'm just asking lol)

Oh, I see what you're saying, lol. I didn't even think about vote totals. I'm open to whichever has more interest.

I'm not sure which one of you I trust more. I perhaps am more likely to tinfoil you at any random moment, but I currently trust you about the same.

Nanook proposed it as a compromise, and my intention is to save you today more than it is to vote a scum read since I don't really have any.

Oh shit I never changed my vote, sorry.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I'm going to be super scattered until closer to EoD, sorry, so please mention me if you want me to see something just in case.

I'll be back, sorry. Really going to need you all to trust me for a bit here.

I know I don't currently have much influence in this game for whatever reason, but regardless of the reasons on nutella, I... am not seeing it here. I just played that other game with her where she was scum, and perhaps it is recency bias combined with you all having a better handle on her scum range, but her ability to re-assess the way she does here is something she incredibly failed to fake in that baseball game. It reads like night and day.

Long Con, what do you think about this?

Did we decide on the secret vote thing by the way? Someone ping me as to whether it'll be Sloonei or Wilgy. I lean the latter actually as much as I really want to play with Wilgy because I feel like Sloonei and/or Sloonei's slot is the one more likely to be playing at some point.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:35 pm Fine [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

@M Plus 7 if you wanna do a chuck counterwagon when you’re back lemme know but I’m not real interested in juliets.

Thanks for the ping. I suppose I could lynch speedchuck.

So... unfortunately I really cannot be here today in any active capacity. Seeing as I still have votes on me, I implore anyone thinking of doing that to give me another cycle here at the least, as I'm pretty sure I can display why I'm town here.

Can someone point me to why nutella as votes? Not sure I'll have time to catch up, sorry.

Alright alright, droopy MP7 is droopy. I'll uh keep my vote where it is for now but I'm open to further suggestions there. As for the secret vote, I'll make sure I'm around in plenty of time to coordinate and I've made my opinion on that made clear at least.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:36 am
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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:26 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:25 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:57 pm Now that I'm more confident in juliets being scum, I feel better about townreading everyone else so much lol. Assuming there are 3 mafia, the third could just be one of the two nothing-slots and I can still be right with all my townreads, or if not then at worst I'm just wrong about one of them.

And YOU can be town, and YOU can be town, and--
The justification for being “confident in Juliets being scum” is so weak.

Radishes didn’t talk about her a bunch. Juliets asked a question and then didn’t follow up.

I don’t believe this stuff.
I really don't understand why you're not believing it. You just saw nutella in the baseball game with me. Talk to me about this some more.
I read part of the baseball game, didn’t see opportunism, called her town, died, was spoiled, was impressed, immediately began to see opportunism.

She’s actually not that deep in her scum meta here. I think Juliets is the only opportunistic push I’ve seen. Seen a lotta other shit that looks fake, though.

Duly noted, thanks Jack. I'll consider your perspective.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:34 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:28 am Also, having known nutella for ~10 years now, I will give you all a little secret about the way I read her.

If she's at some point in the game annoyed the ever loving fuck out of me, she's probably town.
Likewise

I apologize for that by the way, still feel like a bit of an asshat about it.

Now I would love to help further solve the game right now, and I will do so as much as I can, but I reaaaaaaaaally need to go pass out from exhaustion. I encourage as much effort from everyone else as possible.

To those of you still considering voting me, may I offer one other consideration.

I'm not even playing at anywhere remotely near 100% of my capacity, and I have almost 300 posts halfway-ish through Day 2. If that doesn't also suggest I'm town, then *shrug*.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:30 am Like there’s 14 other players D1 and 12 others D2, there’s gonna be a lot of handwavey fluff interactions. I don’t see it as meaningful either way without meta that says one of them specifically interacts with partners that way, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a scum game from either one, so....it’s a big ol shrug and an “ok, sure.” from me.

Interactive analyses are a helpful tool in my opinion. Shouldn't be the end all be all, but they're worthwhile considerations.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:28 am Also, having known nutella for ~10 years now, I will give you all a little secret about the way I read her.

If she's at some point in the game annoyed the ever loving fuck out of me, she's probably town.

And I mean this in the nicest possible way.

Also, having known nutella for ~10 years now, I will give you all a little secret about the way I read her.

If she's at some point in the game annoyed the ever loving fuck out of me, she's probably town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:26 am Idk man, I’m getting serious deja vu to GoC where there was a lot of “maybe juliets is mafia?” Early in the game and I didn’t understand it then and I don’t understand it now. Maybe she has an incredible wolf game and I don’t know it but idk, she just looks the same to me

Hmmm, talk to me some more about this. I'm also not sure what happened in GoC.

Fixed:

MP7 random D2 feels reads whatever man

lock town
nutella
Nanook

strong town
Jack
Tony

maybe town
Hyena
LC
speed

POE by default
DDL
juliets
DrWilgy
Sloonei

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