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Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:16 pm This is what I was going to say earlier, but did not have time, and I'm glad I didn't since people are talking about him.

I like birdwithteeth's early move. I don't believe 3J gave him information about the poll, and I think he lied about it.

But I think he did it just to do it and, just as he said was intention, get something going.

If bwt is bad and did this, knowing he would be exposed very quickly, that's a short-term gain, long-term loss, as they say, and I'm not even sure that it's a short-term gain at all, because unless he set this up so that his teammates could gain some early credibility, I don't see any positive outcome for him at all.

What I do see is a someone throwing something out there to see who will follow him, who will question him, and who will ignore him.

Nothing wrong with that.

I agree entirely. It's now clear given the N0 result that he was lying, but I think that brazen of a move doesn't come from a mafia BWT.

BWT is being indecisive as fuck. That means he's town. If he was bad, he would force consistency.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:22 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:44 pm I felt like Epignosis' reactions were way more suspicious than my reaction to them. I don't understand why you ignore my points about his reactions and just vote for me instead.
How about this for a plan then? We lynch you today for your backtracking. If you flip civ, then we lynch Epig on Day 2 since he was clearly egging you on and trying to start something!

Dammit man, don't get yourself mislynched again for saying stuff so cavalierly.

Spoiler: show

Based on Jay's post, it seems BWT was either mistaken or lying. Well then.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:59 pm Epi going after MP early is giving me dejavu.

Hasn't for me yet, probably because no mentions of "bean dip" have been made yet.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:49 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:11 am Epi vs LC, aka "El Clásico"
I know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.

Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!
If any post produces suspicion against Long Con, it's this one. I agree with Speedchuck that there is an impression of backtracking here in his "I was joking" stance. It may be the case that he was just playfully poking at Epi initially, but the way this post is constructed gives me the impression that he is seizing on the existing backlash against Epi's response to turn it willfully into a bandwagon.

I think that's persuasive and agreeable. I'd say that I'm not really sure what to make of LC but that I do find the post you highlighted here the most suspicious for the reasons you outline.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:20 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:13 am
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.
Let's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.
I think it's a reasonable claim. In many games back on Lostpedia/The Piano/Revolutionmafia before The Syndicate was founded, as well as in the early days of this site, it was very commonplace to start out the game with Day 0 with a poll like this. The host(s) often would PM a few randomly selected townies informing them of the option that was town-friendly, and same with the mafia team and independent faction. However, the results of the Day 0 poll usually weren't evident to everyone until the end of the game so that it didn't out people. There were variations, naturally, especially increasingly so over time as hosts became more creative, but a scenario in which each option corresponded to a faction and the option to receive the most votes "wins" for that faction was common when I started playing back in 2010. Another somewhat common variation developed where instead the Day 0 options individualized results (see: my Super Meat Boy game here on TS), where if one player voted for one option maybe it did nothing but another player voted for a different option which gave them a +1 vote for Day 1 or any number of things.

He could be lying, but I tentatively don't see any reason for why anyone would lie about this, especially since games with Day 0 polls accompanied by information have completely fallen out of style for a few years now.
I still like to include some sort of informationally meaningful Day 0 poll. My favourite was the Erlatz Eleven - 11 voters on one choice, and it was known that one of them got recruited to a bad team. Fun!

To this day that just might be my favorite still as well. Man, that was so much fun!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:22 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:15 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:51 pm I suspect MP for his gregarious posting.

I suspect LC for his comment above. Does anyone understand the Quin-searching thing? If he doesn't understand it, why is he voting for the trendy choice?

I suspect Quin will get destroyed next time too.
Why would you suspect me for that?
I think I always do. Your friendliness always strikes me as false.

You're not the only one, apparently.

I like to keep the atmosphere friendly, especially to start the game, so sue me. It's something I strive to do regardless of alignment because I love our community, am genuinely excited to play with you all, and because these games get tense and I feel it's important to keep town motivated and positive. I've seen so many games go sour because town loses motivation and blows the game. Furthermore, I'm excited to play especially so since I've taken a long break this year and it's great seeing other players return from a long absence (BWT, sanmateo) or play for the first time ever (NewTraditionalist).

You of all people know that I'll get into the aggression zone when I feel it's warranted. I just think it's important to remember we're all friends here first and foremost before I go off pursuing something that triggers my siren and proceed to ripping someone a new one.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:28 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:13 am
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.
Let's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.
My impression was that he was just saying stuff to say stuff.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:12 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:07 pm That said, does anyone have any idea what this search function will accomplish? It definitely is intriguing but I'm not sure how it would affect the game or how we are supposed to contemplate making the decision.
Not sure. I suppose we will find out once Day 0 ends.
So you're claiming Queensland is beneficial to the town cause but you're not sure how, do I have that right?
Yes. I figured I might as well say something since most Day 0 conversations aren't super meaningful and we can have something to go off of early on.

I read it as "figured I might as well say something" now, as in he figured he might as well say something re: information right off the bat rather than wait.

Perhaps you're right though. I suppose I wouldn't put it past BWT to lie about this for shits, but I'd hope that's not the case.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:13 am
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.
Let's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.

I think it's a reasonable claim. In many games back on Lostpedia/The Piano/Revolutionmafia before The Syndicate was founded, as well as in the early days of this site, it was very commonplace to start out the game with Day 0 with a poll like this. The host(s) often would PM a few randomly selected townies informing them of the option that was town-friendly, and same with the mafia team and independent faction. However, the results of the Day 0 poll usually weren't evident to everyone until the end of the game so that it didn't out people. There were variations, naturally, especially increasingly so over time as hosts became more creative, but a scenario in which each option corresponded to a faction and the option to receive the most votes "wins" for that faction was common when I started playing back in 2010. Another somewhat common variation developed where instead the Day 0 options individualized results (see: my Super Meat Boy game here on TS), where if one player voted for one option maybe it did nothing but another player voted for a different option which gave them a +1 vote for Day 1 or any number of things.

He could be lying, but I tentatively don't see any reason for why anyone would lie about this, especially since games with Day 0 polls accompanied by information have completely fallen out of style for a few years now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:50 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:39 am 1. Thanks for letting me know whether or not I was joking.

2. I don't think you understand what backpedalling is.

3. Whether or not I was looking for a reaction, I got one. I could discuss it, or not discuss it. You would prefer I not discuss it?
1. I calls them as I see them. I could have said "I don't believe it was a joke," I guess. I don't give a crap.

2. Regarding backpedalling, I saw this interaction as you nudging Epi, then doubling down, then backing off and saying it all was a joke while pursuing Epi on a completely different trail. I don't understand how this is not backpedalling, and I'm pretty sure everyone who read my post knew what I meant.
Not the first time I've been checked on my use of terms on the site. It won't be the last. But it isn't helpful, and it doesn't change the observation I was trying to make. All it does is belittle me because I'm not as anal about term usage as other people.

3. No, please, go ahead. If I can discuss your posts/reactions, you can discuss Epi's. You're acting like I was trying to shut you up, which... doesn't come out of what I said. Why would you act like I was trying to silence you?

speedchuck is also a town read.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:20 am I want to hear opinions on me and Long Con. Go.

You're a town read, LC is... god only knows, don't have a read on him yet. I guess town if it was GTH.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:06 am Kay just ignore me.

Hi Wilgy! I won't ignore you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:57 pm "Epi's trying too hard. Usually he's bad when he does that. "

The issue I take with this is that this is untrue, especially lately. When I have been bad lately, I have been lazy as hell.

I want LC to substantiate his claims against me, since he thinks he knows me so well.

And now Epi's a town read.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:09 pm Epi's trying too hard. Usually he's bad when he does that.

What gave you the impression that he's trying too hard?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:51 pm I suspect MP for his gregarious posting.

I suspect LC for his comment above. Does anyone understand the Quin-searching thing? If he doesn't understand it, why is he voting for the trendy choice?

I suspect Quin will get destroyed next time too.

Why would you suspect me for that?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:32 pm Hi everyone. Im Quin now.

Sup bud?

Why are you voting Western Australia?

sanmateo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:30 pmwait what

Good to see you again!

Speaking of Age of Empires II, if any of you all are able and interested, I'm starting a game via Steam as we speak.

We also are trying to plan a game for sometime this weekend. Visit the AOE II thread for details/discussion. It would be fantastic to get a substantial group of people participating in any upcoming game.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:17 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 pm Hm. I was going to guess NSW just because it's the most populous and thus most statistically likely for Quin to be in I guess? But there's already an info claim. How much do I want to trust that...
Why would someone of either alignment fake claim information?
I mean, he could be mafia and pretending the option that benefits his faction benefits the civ cause. You might be right though, probably Occam's Razor applies here.

That's true, but to this day I'm not sure I've ever seen a mafia member make a play like that. It has been a while though since I've witnessed a game with information, and it's plausible that BWT is lying, but for now I think unless we are given reason by someone else or a game mechanic to doubt his claim, he's very likely telling the truth.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:14 pm Seriously, Quin was atrocious. I don't even remember what civilization he played.

Fucking archaeologists don't remember what civilization he played, because there was nothing left.

Savage.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 pm Hm. I was going to guess NSW just because it's the most populous and thus most statistically likely for Quin to be in I guess? But there's already an info claim. How much do I want to trust that...

Why would someone of either alignment fake claim information?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:12 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:07 pm That said, does anyone have any idea what this search function will accomplish? It definitely is intriguing but I'm not sure how it would affect the game or how we are supposed to contemplate making the decision.
Not sure. I suppose we will find out once Day 0 ends.
So you're claiming Queensland is beneficial to the town cause but you're not sure how, do I have that right?
Yes. I figured I might as well say something since most Day 0 conversations aren't super meaningful and we can have something to go off of early on.

Makes sense to me, just wanted to clarify.

I'd say in games I've hosted and played where there was a Day 0 poll with information floating around, that information was usually something to the effect of "this option benefits your cause", so your explanation checks out as plausible. It has been a while though since most games around here had information like that, so it's cool to see a resurrection of it of sorts here, assuming you aren't lying.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:07 pm That said, does anyone have any idea what this search function will accomplish? It definitely is intriguing but I'm not sure how it would affect the game or how we are supposed to contemplate making the decision.
Not sure. I suppose we will find out once Day 0 ends.

So you're claiming Queensland is beneficial to the town cause but you're not sure how, do I have that right?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:09 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.

Intrigued. I'll follow you pending further developments, assuming votes are changeable for map votes.

Confirming that map votes are changeable.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.

Let's see where that one leads us.

Intrigued. I'll follow you pending further developments, assuming votes are changeable for map votes.

That said, does anyone have any idea what this search function will accomplish? It definitely is intriguing but I'm not sure how it would affect the game or how we are supposed to contemplate making the decision.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:05 pm Quin is in the title of this thread.

I'll take my cash prize in a lump sum, thanks.

Should have known someone was going to say this and that it would be you.

Good to play with you again, bud, it's been too long.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:00 pm The last I saw of Quin, he was getting his ass beat in Age of Empires II.

Yay game!

The "search" concept looks cool. Looking forward to playing with you all.

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