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by Tangrowth
Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:16 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [ENDGAME]

Hey, we won! Nice job, team! Apologies for slacking towards the end there, my RL to mafia balance sunk super quickly.

Thanks for the game, Epi! It was thoroughly enjoyable while I was able to be fully engaged in it.
by Tangrowth
Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:48 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 6]

Thanks for the game, Epi!

I'm too busy to continue playing for a while here, so I'll be sure to see you all around the OT topics. :beer:

Go mafia. :feb:
by Tangrowth
Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:08 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 6]

Unfortunately I have to leave like... now, so I need to vote. I'd still consider a vote for Mac, gleam, or DF, but I don't feel super compelled to vote one of them in particular, and considering recent events unfolding with respect to Snapshot being revealed as role checker, and the possibility that I may be in danger of dying today without being around to cast a defense vote... I'm not sure what to do, but I think the best thing I can do with my vote is to vote for DrumBeats. If Snapshot says that there is a 50% chance one of either me or DrumBeats is bad, I know I'm not bad, then that means there's a 50% chance DrumBeats is bad. I also think, somewhat selfishly, that it seems people will coalesce around DrumBeats more easily than any of the three previous players I mentioned (maybe?), and I'm the only player I know is civilian, and we can't afford a mislynch at this stage of the game with The Process still in play and 3 mafia still alive. Further, while I didn't have any problems with DrumBeats's "plan" with respect to The Process once it was clear what he was saying, I think his recent insistence that we should keep lynching members of The Process could be a good way for him as mafia to keep the thread away from hunting for the mafia. So, with everything said, I am voting DrumBeats, even though I don't feel very confident about it. I'd rather trust the 50% check and try to act in pre-emptive self-preservation in this key phase than throw out a potentially meaningless vote.
by Tangrowth
Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:59 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 5]

To anyone who is considering a vote for me and wants me to answer for suspicions:

Please let me know if I've missed anything still, but it seems the only main thing that people want to hear from me is regarding my shifting viewpoint of nutella (something Scotty also was badgering me for).

Here are the relevant quotes I could find:
nijuukyugou wrote:Checking in on phone (celebrating my brother's birthday; don't want to miss the vote, but I'd like to give proper attention to my guest and family). For what I've been able to pay attention to for the last couple of days, I'm gonna vote MP. When I flip-flop on him, he's almost always bad, and his going after nutella yet reluctance to vote her way from said suspicion looks like a baddie knowing to avoid a lynch. I know that's not an awesome, eloquent explanation for my vote, but phone typing sucks and party calls. I'll address other stuff when I'm able to be more attentive.
As well as JJJ's semi-ISO thing of me asking me to address the nutella question (didn't quote because spoiler tag issues).

My changing viewpoint of nutella from bad early on to the green (good) range was based solely on her interactions with Elohcin, and not on nutella's answers to anyone or any of her own behavior on its own. I just didn't believe it likely that nutella would have been one of the very first people to have a suspicion of Elo, and furthermore, express a willingness so early in Day 1 to vote for her, if Elohcin were her teammate. Seems unnecessarily committal and setting up for a bus that didn't even seem likely to happen. So considering that, I upped my viewpoint of her given Elo's flip.

Regarding nutella's change back, yes, as JJJ noted, I cited his nutella / Elo interactive analysis and his accompanying rainbow. I didn't have time to conduct such interactive analyses myself, and I know my current limits due to RL, so I thoroughly reviewed them and considered them when reevaluating my rainbow. I didn't realize how little Elo had talked with nutella, and upon viewing what nutella actually said to Elo, I thought that maybe I was over-emphasizing nutella's initial bus-happy vocal inclination to vote off a teammate, and reevaluated her failure to vote for Elo when the goings got rough as well as the interactive behavior and moved her down. The reason I stuck with my guns by voting for gleam were because I still didn't feel confident enough to move nutella down to the dark red portion of my rainbow since I had reason in her early history with Elo to still doubt a nutella lynch was the best way to go. I didn't know that everyone else was just going to vote nutella without even discussing gleam, and I figured me voting for him would spur some discussion in my absence; clearly that wasn't the case. I still think gleam, Mac, and DF are solid candidates to consider for Elo teammates given their interactive analyses, vote history, and other thread content, but I'm not sold on any particular one of them over another, and I despise the characterization that Scotty made of my gleam suspicion as a NO U. It was never a NO U. It's clear in my ISO that I suspected gleam for his behavior surrounding Elo. Yes, I didn't understand his suspicion of me, but that alone didn't remotely serve as the basis for suspecting him. I had no "pause" in voting for gleam, unlike I did for nutella once we found out that Elo was bad.

I know I haven't been the best at portraying my train of thought, so hopefully that clears it up enough on that matter. I'm not sure what to say to nijuu's "I'm always bad" comment; I have just as much a statistical chance of being good as anyone else, and I've been civilian plenty lately and I am again here. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with her flip flopping on me either.
by Tangrowth
Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:41 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 6]

I know I haven't been great at participating in a while or at addressing my accusers. I have like a half an hour max now, then unfortunately I need to leave to teach and won't be home until after the deadline, so I'll try to do what I can.

With respect to my lynch vote, I don't want to lynch JJJ. I don't really have any reason to believe that he's bad, and Llama and Mac pushing the easy button on it over and over again with practically no attempt to convince anyone else doesn't do anything for me.
by Tangrowth
Mon May 30, 2016 9:57 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 5]

JJJ, nijuu, and Scotty, hopefully I can respond to your concerns thoroughly. I should have time tomorrow night after I get home from teaching if I don't get the time before then, and assuming I survive the Night (but I don't know why the mafia would kill me since I have suspicion). In response to your point, JJJ, about my inactivity following my increase in suspicion, it's purely coincidental, and my RL has just taken over my life to the point where I don't really have time for this game at the moment. I apologize to you all and the host, but it is what it is. Please let me know what specific questions you have that I can address.

I'll vote Snapshot.
by Tangrowth
Sat May 28, 2016 8:07 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 5]

I'm sorry guys, my schedule is just killing me. I'm unfortunately probably going to have to stop playing games again after I'm done with this one and Draconus's AoT. I'm fine with killing a member of The Process considering the mafia killed one last night. I'll vote Operator as well.
by Tangrowth
Fri May 27, 2016 11:41 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 4]

Oh, and Llama, I want a detailed PM about the Libertarian Party convention when you return whenever you get the chance! I wish I was there.
by Tangrowth
Fri May 27, 2016 11:28 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 4]

Dammit, RIP nutella. :rip:

Scotty, I'm not sure why you're suspecting me so heavily. I responded in detail to concerns about my shifting thoughts on Elo and asked you if you still had concerns about it but I never heard from you, and now you're attacking me based on my shifting thoughts on nutella, saying I provided no reasons, when otherwise I have. I'll pull up detailed quotes later, but I'm still way too busy to respond to things in detail right now. I'll respond to JJJ at that time as well.

I can join the vote for Young Lady.
by Tangrowth
Thu May 26, 2016 2:19 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 4]

Well, I'm still really busy, and this poll time is inconvenient since I'll be out. I'm alright with the nutella vote, but my feelings haven't really changed regarding my suspicions, and I'd rather vote off one of those red reads. So I'm going to vote for agleaminranks. I'll be back either late tonight after the deadline or sometime tomorrow.
by Tangrowth
Wed May 25, 2016 1:28 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 4]

Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, there are lots of Process elements on the poll. :scared:
I think you are the process.

How do we kill you?
Reason?

I'm not, so I have no idea. I'd imagine just by lynching whoever has that role. I'd hope anyway.
by Tangrowth
Wed May 25, 2016 1:27 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 4]

Scotty wrote:Cya Wilgy!

Yo MP! Are you still suspicious of Nutella?

Looking at Wilgy's suspect pool, I see JJJ from the past day and then you, MP. Could be trying to silence him before taking off, but that's some WIFOM shit with a cherry on top. Overanalyzation of NK's will turn me into a pumpkin.

I will admit that I have tunneled a bit on you over the past day, MP, without proper evidence to back it up. I just get nervous around you since the champions game. I know you are not averse to bussing teammates, and your suspicion of Elo and leading up to your Elo vote seemed to come out of nowhere.
I'd call nutella a slight mafia read at the moment. I'd rather lynch a moderate or better read, but yeah, she could be mafia I suppose.

I understand tinfoiling me due to prior performance, but I'd hope you judge me based on my actions purely in this game and find my alignment based on those (hint: I'm town). Can you explain how my Elo vote came out of nowhere? I responded to JJJ and others earlier explaining my train of thought which showed my progression up until my return to the thread (during which I was very vocal). What do you still want me to address about that?
by Tangrowth
Tue May 24, 2016 11:09 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 4]

Wow, there are lots of Process elements on the poll. :scared:
by Tangrowth
Tue May 24, 2016 10:29 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 4]

RIP Wilgy!

I've been pretty busy with PhD stuff, and now Draconus's Attack on Titan game has started so my mafia attention is already split between the two games. I'm going to re-examine the lower part of my rainbow list today.

To everyone: Whom are you considering for a vote today (tentatively) and why?
by Tangrowth
Tue May 24, 2016 2:42 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 3]

Mulling over this, unfortunately I don't feel I really learned much of anything from that lynch result or that Day period in general. Consider my rainbow to be pretty much the same.
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 11:17 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 3]

Voted Jerk
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 11:16 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 3]

Young Lady wrote:This Young Lady dislikes that her question wasn't answered.
This Young Lady is considering voting for PoM
I didn't ignore you. I clearly assigned DrWilgy as a slight town read in my rainbow, and I've expressed what I think about Wilgy enough in my posts to explain the train of thought adequately. Nothing's really changed.

Furthermore, I think all of these sockpuppet accounts, including you, are likely not aligned with the town.
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 11:15 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 3]

Well, that result sucks. RIP Nero.

So sorry to hear that, Scotty. :sigh:
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 7:03 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 3]

Lastly, having examined JJJ's interactive ISOs (thanks for doing that by the way!) and finished catching up, I have an updated rainbow list for you all. Here it is!

MP Rainbow List #4 - Day 3

Moderate Town:
JaggedJimmyJay
nijuukyugou
Scotty (AATB)


Slight Town:
DrWilgy
kneel4justice (reywaS)
DrumBeats


Slight Mafia:
thellama73
nutella


Moderate Mafia:
MacDougall (Illyria)
DFaraday
Nerolunar
agleaminranks


As such, I'm happy with my vote today.

Thoughts? Questions or comments? What would your list look like?

I have to get back to work now and will continue to be quite busy. I think I've either directly or indirectly addressed everything that everyone has wanted from me as well; if not, please let me know ASAP. See you all later!
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 6:52 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 1]

DrumBeats wrote:Here are the reads I have atm:

Town reads/leans:
MovingPictures07 - Seems to be genuinely pushing discussion
Elohcin - Active and given me no reason to suspect them. Could be a biased opinion due to them being the one person who actually acknowledged my idea without twisting it into "lets ignore the mafia"
JJJ - Seems to be genuinely scumhunting. A little less active than he seems to usually be but he's in a ton of games at once right now iirc.

Null reads:
DrWigly - How the hell do you read somebody like this
Matt - Seems to be different than the conspiracy theory Matt I've seen before, though I'm not sure what that says of his alignment. Very unhelpful and I don't like the early vote, but I'm still not sure here.

Scum reads/leans:
Zebra - Potential scumslip, plus acting WAY too confused about everything. Has contributed nothing and locked a vote way early. My largest scumread right now.
Illyria - Haven't seen much here, but one thing I noticed is that I think Illyria is just skimming. Illyria expressed distaste for my plan saying that we can't trust the mafia and then basically suggested a less civ-beneficial version my plan by saying we should just wait a few days and do it. Should that idea go through it would get rid of scum obligation in removing the threat, which makes me scum lean Illyria a bit.

Dependent read:
Nutella - Depending on the answer to my last question.
Speaking of which, in digging up those posts, I recall this post from DrumBeats literally right after my first rainbow list wherein he too expressed a town read of Elo for similar reasons. Perhaps those of you who still are wondering about why anyone was town reading Elo at that point in the game can get DrumBeats's insight as well?
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 6:51 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 3]

Scotty wrote:I went though everything MP said about Elo leading up to her almost lynch and her actual lynch and have a very strong suspicion that he is bad because of it. On the surface he looks town for trying to start that CFD before EoD but I don't buy it and actually think he's trying to look town instead of being town.

Are these votes changeable?

im in a show right now so I will not be around to respond with expediency
Can you elaborate upon this? Hopefully what I've addressed to JJJ right above clears up my train of thought and any concerns you might have. Let me know.
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 6:50 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MovingPictures07: I'd like for you to map out the full progression of your Day 1 read, at least briefly, to illustrate exactly what it was you liked about her at first and why that read soured as much as it did. Show me the mindset and thought process that led you there.
You're not the only one who has seemingly inquired or expressed curiosity of my early d1 Elo slight town read, so gladly, I'm happy to do this.

I liked the way Elo jumped right into the game and was actively contributing to discussion. I'll exclude Night 0 even and just start from Day 1, but posts such as the following:
Spoiler: show
Elohcin wrote:I bet the process gets to choose which ability he uses and maybe after he uses an ability, it is revealed?
To me displayed an attentive Elo who wasn't afraid to get her hands dirty in discussion, whether it was mechanics-based (such as this one), or suspicions-based (see below):
Spoiler: show
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I bet the process gets to choose which ability he uses and maybe after he uses an ability, it is revealed?
Seems sensible.

What thoughts do you have, Elo, any? You seemed to dislike DrumBeats's declaration of swapping votes. Why?
I don't think it productive at all. It's not any better than self voting. I believe he even said it would be a way of finding a loophole. I am tired of the self voters b/c I find it a lack of participation and even more so, a hindrance to one's team whether they are civ or mafia. And I told Epi (half way through the game I just hosted) that I wish I'd have made it a rule that you cannot self vote. He liked the idea :)
This post I liked because it showed Elo throwing mud and being honest with her accusations, at least that's how I perceived it at the time, and I tend to view that as town-minded Elo behavior. I've played many games with an anti-town Elo who failed to come into the thread actively and hesitate to throw out substantiated reads due to bringing attention to herself. When she was SK in Economics Mafia, one of the things that caught my eye was the fact that she threw out unsubstantiated reads (based entirely on gut) and didn't engage people much in conversation. I saw a contrast in her early Day 1 behavior here.
Spoiler: show
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I bet the process gets to choose which ability he uses and maybe after he uses an ability, it is revealed?
Seems sensible.

What thoughts do you have, Elo, any? You seemed to dislike DrumBeats's declaration of swapping votes. Why?
I don't think it productive at all. It's not any better than self voting. I believe he even said it would be a way of finding a loophole. I am tired of the self voters b/c I find it a lack of participation and even more so, a hindrance to one's team whether they are civ or mafia. And I told Epi (half way through the game I just hosted) that I wish I'd have made it a rule that you cannot self vote. He liked the idea :)
That's understandable; it's why I created the "no self voting" rule to begin with, and I'm glad to see it catch on.

Do you really think that viewpoint has any reflection of DrumBeats's alignment, however? What is the mafia motivation for him proposing that?
Another idea I came up with that was already created, I see. I am not sure about his alignment. It could just be a civ acting like a wild monkey again (which happens all too often in the beginning of games, sadly). I hate it b/c I feel it gives Mafia an advantage and then sends us civs scrambling to try to win towards the end of the game. I think if we stay focused, we can nip this thing in the bud and have a successful win. Rocky and Bullwinkle was a hell of a circus in the beginning and a struggle to win in the end. We ought not act like animals and suggest stupid things like switching votes to avoid a rule we want to break. SO, I told DB I would keep my eye on him. I said this not b/c I definitely think he's mafia but b/c I think he needs to shape up and stop joking around (if that's what he's doing). Like I said, YES, we need to have fun. But we still need to keep our heads screwed on.
Okay, thanks for explaining. I wasn't sure what "keeping an eye on" meant with respect to your view of his alignment.


Elohcin wrote:
AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Do you really think that viewpoint has any reflection of DrumBeats's alignment, however? What is the mafia motivation for him proposing that?
That's a good question. Personally, I don't see any 'good' motivation for suggesting vote trading than other than to skate through a few votes without making a real decision. So in that respect, it seems somewhat sinister to me. However, perhaps DB is just wanting to exploit loopholes because he/she can?
Explain to me what you mean here. You seem to indicate this is in contrast to your previous assessment (that the motivation is somewhat sinister); does this mean that you think exploiting loopholes conveys a town mindset?

Not at all. What I meant by that was, while I think it is more likely a 'mafia' type move, there are other possible motivations one might have for suggesting it. So I think it COULD be either.
Or perhaps he has NO reason at all. I don't claim to be an expert, but again, after just coming off from hosting (sorry if I bore you with this phrase) I feel like people do and say weird shit that means nothing and that they have no reason for saying/doing. I feel like Mafia is less about figuring out who is mafia and instead just a crapshoot. It COULD be about figuring out who's if players would use their abilities with their intelligence instead of just flapping off at the mouth about this and that. For instance, if you know certain people in the game are good, list them as people you trust, don't list just one of those and then 2 others as your top trusts. USE the facts you learn from your power. Be sensible.

Okay, I am off my soapbox now.
I strongly disagree with the underlined. Yes, there is an element of luck, but if this were the case, then an effective strategy would be for all votes to be randomized every Day period and to never analyze any behavior. I've seen collaborative town teams before dismantle mafia for behavior in thread. Based on what you said here and your response to me, I do agree that it'd be nice to see more collaborative behavior in games around here; that's a problem I've had for quite some time now, and that's that civilians too often act as if they're LMS.

Do you have anyone you trust yet?
Spoiler: show
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Or perhaps he has NO reason at all. I don't claim to be an expert, but again, after just coming off from hosting (sorry if I bore you with this phrase) I feel like people do and say weird shit that means nothing and that they have no reason for saying/doing. I feel like Mafia is less about figuring out who is mafia and instead just a crapshoot. It COULD be about figuring out who's if players would use their abilities with their intelligence instead of just flapping off at the mouth about this and that. For instance, if you know certain people in the game are good, list them as people you trust, don't list just one of those and then 2 others as your top trusts. USE the facts you learn from your power. Be sensible.

Okay, I am off my soapbox now.
I strongly disagree with the underlined. Yes, there is an element of luck, but if this were the case, then an effective strategy would be for all votes to be randomized every Day period and to never analyze any behavior. I've seen collaborative town teams before dismantle mafia for behavior in thread. Based on what you said here and your response to me, I do agree that it'd be nice to see more collaborative behavior in games around here; that's a problem I've had for quite some time now, and that's that civilians too often act as if they're LMS.

Do you have anyone you trust yet?
I just mean that it COULD be more about strategy than it is if people would take it more seriously than they do. And, yeah, I think I trust you so far. I wish more people would talk so I can have the chance to trust more people.

As for The Process, Wiki says this: Cells are a form of The Process. When any type of The Process is destroyed (excepting of course Badcells), Cells are the natural result. They are immobile and do not attack, and are collectable by Red for unknown use. If they are not quickly attended to, they will either turn into Badcells or regenerate to their previous form. They are composed of four floating white metal pieces and a red orb. Cells do not have a Limiter page.

Anyone care to try and interpret what we should do with this info?
Matt wrote:Yeah let's lynch the Bloops. She's the Process, right?
GAH!!! THIS! This is the type of post that is driving me nuts these days. Either be helpful or hush. Matt, you are giving me gray hairs already this game.

And don't take this frustration as a defense of Niju, y'all. Cause I know that's what at least 2 of you are thinking. :p
Her sentiments regarding "silly" townie behavior likewise struck me as coming from a genuine mindset; in combination with her throwing suspicion at DB, I saw it as town-compatible. I perhaps would have viewed such commentary from her more skeptically if she showed less willingness to engage in suspicions, which happened as the Day progressed (among other things, which I'll get to in a bit here).

That's briefly what I saw in Elo during the first 5 or so pages of the game, which leads me to my first rainbow list.

You'll note that in there I briefly explained my slight town treatment of Elo (and the others I was slight town reading at the time):
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm town reading AATB due to his contribution to the discussion last night when I pressured him, though I want more. I wasn't sure what to make of DrumBeats but having caught up now I'm seeing his attempts to engage people with this plan as genuinely town-minded, but it's still a slight lean. Elohcin is active and I'm enjoying it; I also am reading her attempts to engage others so far as genuine, and her frustrations displayed a townie mindset. All minor, but they're all worth town reads nonetheless. I think forming town reads, even very slight at this stage, is just as important as identifying mafia leans, perhaps even more so. So I intend on trying to sort through these as the day progresses and hopefully form some more. Please help me out with that, folks! Show me your townie spark.
Hopefully what I succinctly highlighted above better displays where my mind was at as the thread was developing in real time. It's rare to see Elo as one of the top posters in the game, particularly early on, and of that activity nothing I really saw nothing alarming (in contrast to after I cast that green read of her and caught upon with the thread my next return, which I will elucidate hereafter).
Spoiler: show
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:

So, just so I understand you correctly regarding your reads: You're town reading "the few actives" (who is that exactly?) and you have mafia reads on Elo and DrumBeats for their thoughts on the proposal but minor ones, yeah?
This is funny as DB and I are a part of the "few actives" :p
Matt wrote:
Elohcin wrote:You just want to throw a name out there and see what happens.
So? Why are you against this? Lotta people hunt, but I'm not a hunter. I fish. niju came in and made fun of me, that was that. I'm currently null on her right now btw. Derp.

Meanwhile, shortly before this post of yours, Dr Wilgy posted this gem...
DrWilgy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Any thoughts on what has transpired thus far, Wilgy?
RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU!!!
Your respone? Nada.

Then, at 5:30 PM (my time)
DrWilgy wrote:I'm mafia and I decline your offer Drum.
6:16 PM
Elohcin wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Once again since few people are acknowledging this: My plan only applies after the scum shoots an element first. The plan in no way is a "lets hunt the process while the mafia kills us" its a "hey mafia, you should kill an element instead of us, and if you do we will lynch an element too. We both need the process dead, so while we have the man power it would be best to take care of it early.
@ Epi - can scum shoot an element as their night kill instead of shooting a player?

DB I am not seeing where you are getting this info.
Again, nada on Wilgy.

How is it you came at me for my way of trying to find the bad people but you let Wilgy off the hook for saying he's a bad guy?

:eye:
Here we go...another Matt vs. Elo show (sung as if said by a tv host). **crowd boos**

I guess I just don't like your zany playstyle b/c it comes off as you not caring.

As for wilgy, I just figured he was cursed or something. Did he post otherwise in plain English? If so, I mis-remembered.
Matt wrote:
Discuss. Also Elohcin is bad.
Goin' fishin' again?

Well I ain't bitin'
Matt wrote:
Aaaaand I'd like Elo to explain herself.
Well, I am a 33 year old Christian woman. I've been married to our wonderful host for just under 13 years and we have three crazy, intelligent, beautiful, and hilarious children. I homeschool these children as well as run my own cakery. It allows me to help provide for my family but also be there for my kids 24/7. I believe in raising my own children and being independent from the "village" that society says we ought to be a part of. I have made my own village for my children which consists of our homeschool group of about 30 families. Politically, I am a libertarian. I think America has gotten way too big for it's britches and saying that the government has too much control is an understatement. :D How's that for explaining myself.

My POINT is, you aren't specific enough in your "fishing" as you call it.
a2thezebra wrote:This has got to be the most confusing game I've ever played.
I'm sorry Zeebs, but this seems like such an act.

And lastly, @JJJ - I just don't see zany behavior from Matt as productive and it makes me think he doesn't care about the game. I don;t think Matt is BAD. I never said that. I also don;t think I ever said that his tactics were baddie-like or un-civ. I just think they are unproductive and uncaring. That is all.
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Elohcin wrote:You know, I am not going to be distracted by Matt's foolishness this game. I don;t think he is bad. I think he is just zany and his playstyle frustrates me.

My top suspect is Zebra and it is not only her overly confused behavior which seems forced and over the top. But it's also her comment about being able to trust DB in his plan to vote for an element if and only if the mafia takes out an element at night instead of a civilian. I believe her question, asking DB if she can trust him/the civs was a baddie slip.
What I disliked about Elo starts immediately after my rainbow list, wherein she (1) really starts actively discrediting Matt just because he is Matt and (2) throws some heavy shade on zebra, especially in the latter post, but with a poorly explained reason (the slip, really?).

She then wastes no time in hopping on the zebra bandwagon because she is "extra zany":
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Elohcin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:And no, I don't think Wilgy is being very helpful either, but he does this regardless of alignment. I don't recall Zebra ever behaving this way.
If I had to name the top zany people on this site (right now) it would be Matt, Wilgy, and Zebra.

But you are right in that Zebra is extra zany this game. I am going to go ahead and vote that way. ZEBRA
With all of these posts and more all happening while I'm away from the thread.

She also spewed these posts in spite of her observation regarding DrumBeats earlier, which was intriguing to me because by this point JJJ and others had come in and defending DB's plan, and DB had explained it further himself, suggesting that Elo's suspicions of both were likely fabricated.

There are many posts that follow wherein I explain my dislike of Elo's behavior this game, so I'm not going to bother including them just to keep this brief and address the real heart of the matter, which was my early slight town read of Elo, rather than why I read her as mafia.

I hope this better illuminates where my head was at; if any questions still remain from anyone, let me know and I'll try my best to explain how I was approaching Elo or whomever or whatever else.
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 6:24 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

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agleaminranks wrote:Sure. I'll address the third point first about active discussers. At that point it was mostly yourself, JJJ, Drumbeats, and Elo leading the discussion for the day. I did feel good because (again, I mentioned it before, I didn't like DB's strategy but I wasn't inclined to read him as bad) all of those people, yourself included, felt like they were trying to encourage positive, strategy-oriented discussion. But it is also Day 1. When I say I'm feeling good about someone, I'm leaning like 10% civ at most. To say I'm more confident of alignment on day 1 is absolutely ludicrous and unfounded.

To address the other points: I was the only one that cast significant shade on sig before he was nightkilled. You were the only person that rebutted my accusation of him. Sig then proceeds to get nightkilled. It felt like it would have been a good opportunity to set the ball rolling against me. People were voting for Elohcin and I felt slightly more sure about her being good than bad. I was wrong, but I still stand by that statement in hindsight. She was good at acting like a civilian in my eyes. So I voted for you because I did not have any stronger suspicions on anyone playing the game, and if I were in your position and I were bad, I would have used my misjudgment of sig to try and set up a wagon against me. If I were a baddy playing against myself in this game, your position would be the most likely to try and set up such a nightkill after voicing your opinion on me. Is it somehow illegal for someone to change reads?

I also was not entirely convinced you were silenced. I thought it possible some people could be faking it, like yourself, to try and not arouse suspicion. In fact, after Matt was nightkilled last night (the person I suspected first), I thought it even more likely that you would have been faking it by setting up two of my suspicions as nightkills and attempting to frame me. In fact it really does feel like someone now is trying to frame my position.

I was all set to come back and accuse you again until I saw this role revealed on the front page:
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Royce Bracket
Flood ( )- Sometimes…people can be…contagious. People can be contagious. Whoever targets your target the same Night will be silenced and unable to vote while they recover.
So with that revelation in mind I'm suddenly feeling like I cannot hold that suspicion on you anymore. Given that (if memory serves me correctly, I'll have to go back and reread the votes) you were on one of the vote trains the first day, it's entirely possible you were legitimately silenced. So I am forced to recind my analysis of your position in light of this evidence. I daresay I think slightly better of you now, even.

I'm frustrated, so I'm going to stop speculating and look at the facts in light of the new role. If we believe you were silenced, which I think I now can believe with less doubt, someone else who voted for Elo on Day 1 is a baddie and was bussing, probably the baddie here in question, unless there's another silencing role in that crowd.

I do see nijuukyugou on that list. I will go back to check and see their posts as well as who else may have been possibly silenced/missed a vote the previous day.

So someone forced these three into the spotlight
gleam, having read and mulled over what you've presented here (and previously), I think your mindset is coming too much from a "I'm the center of the game's universe" place, and you're building an entire suspicion of me around the fact that the mafia is taking every action around you. I've suffered that logical fallacy too much in past games myself; it's hard not to do so at times because the only information that often we can be sure of is our own alignment and viewpoints, and that's it.

I'd highly recommend considering alternative explanations for night kills, because I'm not mafia and I didn't execute any of them. Further, I doubt that the mafia are framing you specifically over any other players, at least at this stage. I think it's much more likely that Matt was killed because he was Elo's biggest accuser (at least I'd say so). As for sig, I don't know, but n1 kills can be for various reasons, and often aren't too meaningful. Sometimes even the mafia isn't sure whom to kill so they go for the kill that's least traceable, that would cause the most speculation, etc. Could be any number of reasons.

Now if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here, let me know, but I am seeing all of this as focused entirely on NKA and similar role night power speculation, rather than in-thread content and voting records.
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 5:49 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 3]

Alright, I'm here! Going to catch up shortly.
by Tangrowth
Mon May 23, 2016 11:56 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 3]

Hey all! Sorry for not being around. I had a 20 hour workday yesterday and I have a lot more to do before next week, so yeah. I'm also pretty tired. I'll pop on ASAP, probably later this afternoon for a break, but just in case I don't I'm going to cast my vote for Nerolunar now.
by Tangrowth
Sun May 22, 2016 9:52 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 3]

RIP Matt.

Man this poll sucks! I am town and I'm glad some people believe me on that front. If there ever are any concerns I can alleviate let me know.

With regards to Nero and nijuu, my gut says to vote Nero but I still need to do some investigation; I've been a bit busier than expected, but I'll be properly catching up and post digging sometime later today I think.
by Tangrowth
Sat May 21, 2016 2:00 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 2]

I'll examine them later myself as well; I'm trying to work on database stuff right now and shouldn't even be here.
by Tangrowth
Sat May 21, 2016 1:53 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 2]

Matt, I haven't based my rainbow reads on interactive analysis just yet; I'm holding off on incorporating that for now until JJJ (or myself/others) have completed them, then I can consider those interactions. I don't want to do so based on my memory.

The reason you're currently placed where you are is due to your d1 zebra vote. I do recognize she was most antagonistic towards you of anyone though, so I'd guess that you're bound to go to at least slight town based on those interactions, but again, I need to actually look at them in detail.

I'd be tentatively down with lynching Mac; Illyria has some unfavorable looks. I'd rather wait and do some more analysis before committing to a d3 lynch, but I'd be OK with any of those moderate mafia reads at the moment.
by Tangrowth
Sat May 21, 2016 12:57 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think I'm getting those choppy site-loading issues some others were mentioning before around the site. Previewing and submitting posts is proving more challenging than usual at the moment.
Odd. Let me look into it. I haven't experienced any such problems myself.
by Tangrowth
Sat May 21, 2016 12:36 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 2]

MP Rainbow List #3 - Night 2

Moderate Town:
JaggedJimmyJay
DrWilgy
AllAlongtheBoardwalk


Slight Town:
nijuukyugou
kneel4justice (reywaS)
nutella


Slight Mafia:
DrumBeats
Matt
thellama73


Moderate Mafia:
MacDougall (Illyria)
DFaraday
agleaminranks
Nerolunar


Note that now I'm trying to rank players within groups, but that these feelings are very tentative, pending further investigation in light of Elo's mafia flip and everyone's d1 and d2 votes. Forced myself to get rid of null reads.
by Tangrowth
Sat May 21, 2016 12:28 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This might prove a telling flip given the progression of Day 1.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In summary I think there's a valid reason to suspect nearly everyone in the Zebra wagon. The only vote that I don't find especially troubling is Matt's. I am sure not everyone else in that wagon is a baddie, so it's important that everyone involved say their piece and enable a fuller conversation.
How would you rank them in terms of least to most suspicious? I'm going to mull over that myself now that we know Elo was mafia and provide my ranking.
I'm going to reassess in light of the new information before I put up any sort of ranking. Eloh was a point of significant discussion and I'm going to do some interactive reads.
That sounds good to me. I was hoping to do some myself if you didn't get around to it first.

I'm going to at least throw up a new rainbow here due to my lack of being able to talk during Day 2, subject to change pending further investigation by myself, you, or others.
by Tangrowth
Sat May 21, 2016 12:26 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

nutella wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.
So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.
I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.

DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?
I would have to examine some interactions first, and I don't like getting into team theories too ahead of myself, but I'd tentatively agree that DF and Nero are teammate-compatible. I'm not sure whether the point about DF's participation is anything alignment-indicative though.
by Tangrowth
Sat May 21, 2016 12:25 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

nutella wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
nutella wrote:ok, sorry I have not been here, just caught up but it is kinda a blur. RIP zebra and sig.

MP, your reasons for suspecting me seem to be mostly the fact that I found Elo and Drum suspicious and that my "relatively strong diction" or whatever. Idk man I was just expressing my reaction to their posts and found them suspicious. After Drum explained what he meant a bit more clearly I don't really suspect him as much, but I've been finding Elo to be more suspicious and it looks like she was sort of evasive yesterday so I will be looking at her today. I haven't gotten particular pings from anyone else but I'm interested in hearing more from Illy, Nero, and Llama.
When you get the chance, I'm intrigued to hear more detail about why you inevitably went with Nero over Elo (and Illy and Llama).
I've just gotten a really strong baddie vibe from Nero's posts recently. I think at least some of it was when he complained about never winning, and some of it was his decision to vote for young lady, but it's a gut read that goes beyond those concrete things. By the time Elo posted her reply to Matt after I said I'd give her a chance to come in before voting, I realized that my gut read on Nero felt stronger, and I looked back over Elo's posts and began to doubt myself as I read her as more genuine/getting trapped by indefensible attacks. I guess she fooled me with her emotional appeal, next time I won't second-guess myself :/
Makes sense. Thanks!
by Tangrowth
Sat May 21, 2016 12:22 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

Oh, and welcome to the game, K4J and MacDougall!

Addressing what gleam said about me today (and his vote for me):
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agleaminranks wrote:I voted for Matt because I didn't like his general attacks or discussion style up to that point, but I can't point to one specific post that highlights this uneasiness of mine; rather, it was more of a strong gut feel. I will analyze his posts more thoroughly and attempt to gain some insight into it.

There's also has to be some significance to sig being nightkilled. I will revisit his posts as well. I mentioned that I found it highly suspicious and unlikely that both sig and zebra were silenced and insanified, respectively. MP was one who voiced disdain for my claim, and while I agreed with him about disliking the zebra vote, he did not seem to agree with me. In fact, if sig were lynched after I made such a claim, it might put me in a bad position. If MP were mafia, it seems sensical to me to make such a nightkill to put the doubt upon myself in this case. I feel a little less good about MP all of a sudden. I don't have much concrete evidence other than that theory, but I don't like it much.

JJJ, I am inclined to disagree with llama and Mac. At least from my perspective (again, someone who has had no mafia experience with you before this game, I believe), it feels much more likely that a civilian would be willing to put that much time and effort into extensive ISOs regardless of the day. This game is very clearly serious at this point. There is much to discuss and much to analyze.
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agleaminranks wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:Going back, Matt has done little but tunnel Elohcin since the last night phase. But his retorts seem a little more serious this time, and he is pressing for serious questions.

I don't know how I feel about Elohcin at this point. She had one post that pinged me but her clarification made me backtrack that thought. I will try to get a read before the day ends.
Just glancing back over her posts, Elo feels like a frustrated civilian to me more than a baddie. I believe her claims about extra-game commitments, it does feel to me like she's just frustrated from answering a lot of the same questions over and over again. I am hesitant to place my vote on her today.

What does worry me more is MP. It's possible he was silenced, it's equally possible he's just busy, but it also seems a little convenient from my perspective his absence and antecedent remarks about speculated abilities and nightkills.

MovingPictures.
gleam, consider me confused with respect to your suspicion of me, so I hope you can elucidate.

Regarding the orange content above: From what I understand, your suspicion of me is coming purely from nightkill analysis (NKA). Is this correct? Can you explain how it would have put you "in a bad position"? I fail to follow you there. I don't see how that would be the case. And yes, I did disagree with you for what I thought were logical reasons; did you not find my speculation logical?

Regarding the yellow content above: How was my absence "convenient"? You didn't give me any chance to respond to your accusations considering I was silenced, which is something you mentioned right in here. I find this contrasts with what you said about me earlier:
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agleaminranks wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I think this is crazy interesting. If we all decided to work together, civ and scum, and get rid of the process by voting his element each day, we could rid ourselves of him completely (or at least make him vanilla) so we don't have to deal with him at all really.
How much commitment would you be willing to offer to this notion of consistently lynching Process terms rather than players? You seem to be fully on board in your language here without must hesitance or consideration, which is a curious thing in the face of any suggestion that town and baddies openly coordinate on anything.
Elohcin, I don't think this is the right strategy to take. I'm thinking the Process is a single lynchable person with formes. I'll explain in a bit.

Catching up, DrumBeats, I am extremely against this idea of the scum and the civilians secretly teaming up. Roles are scarce but given that it's a side mission it's probably safe to assume that mafia has some nightkill ability. What the hell is there in the promise of not killing civilians? Ring of Gyges, folks. Even if given the opportunity to act in unison with the whole group, they have the option of completely screwing over the civilians with a nightkill from the anonymity of this arrangement. Civs could pretty easily be getting themselves into a bind. It sounds like an inherently bad situation where the civilians are going to get the short end of the stick.

Also, thoughts re: Cell. So, Cheerleader won the poll yesterday is my guess. Host says the Process will manifest itself in many ways. I'm guessing the Process is manifest in the Cheerleader form now, and it has that ability, and this is why it was revealed.
The Cheerleader role also specifies that it can protect a Process element from being nightkilled. And here Cell shows up in the daily lynch section.
It seems most likely that possibly the Process is either able to change elements on a daily basis and this will be what reveals the role, is my guess.
My original guess was that perhaps by voting the element it would force the Process to change to that element, but given that the Cheerleader role mentions nightkill protection from elements, they're capable of being killed, and this would then prevent the Process from becoming that element. So, we have one element on the lynch list which we could eliminate. But I wonder why Cell specifically shows up, versus other elements, or elements as a whole. Something to do with the Process's selection, or Host's discrimination? Maybe it's what element the Process is planning on taking tomorrow?

So, tl;dr, I think the elements are formes that the Process takes, rather than someone being behind it, as someone speculated earlier (don't remember who at the moment, sorry). I think we can vote to kill the element to prevent the Process from taking that forme later, but the Process is still someone out there amongst our ranks. Given that we don't know what the hell the role does and if this is true we're lynching essentially nobody, it's giving the civilians fewer opportunities to nab a baddie early on. In a bigger game I would want to focus more on preserving civilian life without eliminating indiscriminately, but I don't think we have that luxury here. Gotta get on the hunt, or the civs are in trouble. Look at Barry Lyndon.

I propose we skip the Cell voting for now. Focus on baddy hunting. Right now, the Process has a defensive element and is less able to do anything serious. This is the moment to strike.

Initial reads on the few actives on here have been pretty good. I can follow up more on that if anyone wants. DrumBeat's post about strategy seems to favor the baddies but it only strikes me as marginally pingy. I would be tempted to vote for them, but it's a little too early to have more than just a sinking suspicion on little evidence. Elohcin glomming on to that strategy might be something of note too.
You never elaborated on this point (so that would be nice), but considering I've had far and away the most posts of anyone all game, I presume by "few actives" that included me.

If so, then why did you feel pretty good about me then, and what about that feeling went away? The only reason I can find for your suspicion of me now is nightkill analysis, so I'm very confused as to why I would be deserving of your d2 vote over everyone else, especially if you had a positive view of me on d1.

Please explain ASAP.

Lastly, I voted for Jerk (again, because why not?), and I'm tired now, so I'm going to sleep on this and provide a new rainbow list and related thoughts on folks tomorrow before Night 2 ends.
by Tangrowth
Sat May 21, 2016 12:10 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

JJJ, in response to your ISO of me (I clipped just the one point you wanted me to address):
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MovingPictures07
MovingPictures07 wrote:a2thezebra, DrWilgy, and Matt are all in a similar category to me right now of WTF/???/Null, because they seem to playing outwardly in a way that could be considered anti-town, but I know better about all of them than to believe that such behavior is alignment indicative. I wish zebra would get her head in the game and address some concerns though, and I'd like to see some more from Wilgy and Matt. I don't know what to make of zebra and Matt's votes being cast already, frankly. I could vote for any of these three, maybe, if they fail to contribute anything else during d1 and I don't have any other even remotely confident mafia reads.
MP assembled this "WTF/???/Null" pile with Zebra, Wilgy, and Matt. I'm not sure why Matt needs to be lumped in there but the other two were regarded that way by most I think. The yellow highlighted portion reiterates MP's stance that Zebra's behavior shouldn't be perceived as alignment-indicative, perhaps a precursor to his current more emotive admonishments.

The orange bit though is contrary to that current mindset MP has adopted -- he said he "could vote for any of these three, maybe..." which would include Zebra. It can be argued whether this constitutes "support" for the lynch, but it's definitely not resistance to it. This is perhaps the most suspicious moment of MP's posts so far and it's something he'll need to answer for.

~~~

MP's sheer effort in this game so far has been rather meteoric. He has dominated the post count from the start, even leaving me in the dust to this point. That's a rare feat. I think he proved in the scrimmage though that effort alone is not enough to earn him a town read, and that his content needs to be critically assessed continually to maximize our chances of figuring him out. I feel that his content in this game so far has been mostly of a positive reflection, and that there's a visible and followable progression in his treatment of Zebra to foretell his current mindset. However, I did find the one discrepancy I noted and I would like MP to address that point.
I understand why you or someone else would interpret the orange text as you did; I should have been clearer with it. What I said was true, and had crossed my mind, but even at the time that I wrote that I thought I had a potentially valid point re: nutella, and the only way I would have considered a vote for any of those folks was if nutella made me feel better about her and I had no other "slight mafia" reads. Stated otherwise, I would have only voted for any of those three if I had literally no leads, and then out of all null reads I'd vote for someone being "unhelpful", but then and only then. I try to ensure that never happens, and obviously it didn't in this case because there was other content generated and nutella never responded to me in time. Hope that clarifies.
by Tangrowth
Fri May 20, 2016 11:58 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Cell wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Cell! Talk to me bae
Scans DrWilgy

Results: Not a doctor.
The following people are probably too new to The Syndicate to be familiar with this joke (correct me if I'm wrong):

agleaminranks
DrumBeats
Illyria
kneel4justice

Less likely to be the Process.
I'd agree with this list FWIW.
by Tangrowth
Fri May 20, 2016 11:57 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

kneel4justice wrote:Also - is there a gender guide somewhere or can someone give me one? I'm struggling lol
I don't recall seeing anyone answer this.

agleaminranks
AllAlongtheBoardwalk
DFaraday
DrumBeats
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
kneel4justice (reywaS)
MacDougall
(Illyria)
Matt
MovingPictures07
Nerolunar

nijuukyugou
nutella

thellama73
by Tangrowth
Fri May 20, 2016 11:54 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

nutella wrote:ok, sorry I have not been here, just caught up but it is kinda a blur. RIP zebra and sig.

MP, your reasons for suspecting me seem to be mostly the fact that I found Elo and Drum suspicious and that my "relatively strong diction" or whatever. Idk man I was just expressing my reaction to their posts and found them suspicious. After Drum explained what he meant a bit more clearly I don't really suspect him as much, but I've been finding Elo to be more suspicious and it looks like she was sort of evasive yesterday so I will be looking at her today. I haven't gotten particular pings from anyone else but I'm interested in hearing more from Illy, Nero, and Llama.
When you get the chance, I'm intrigued to hear more detail about why you inevitably went with Nero over Elo (and Illy and Llama).
by Tangrowth
Fri May 20, 2016 11:51 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In summary I think there's a valid reason to suspect nearly everyone in the Zebra wagon. The only vote that I don't find especially troubling is Matt's. I am sure not everyone else in that wagon is a baddie, so it's important that everyone involved say their piece and enable a fuller conversation.
How would you rank them in terms of least to most suspicious? I'm going to mull over that myself now that we know Elo was mafia and provide my ranking.
by Tangrowth
Fri May 20, 2016 11:49 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 2]

I hate being silenced! :sigh:

On the plus side, glad to see Elo go and flip mafia. :slick:
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 8:04 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 1]

Elohcin wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I have a hard time believing DF, Elo, Illy, and Nero are all bad, but it's mathematically a possibility (since the mafia team has 4 members). I want others' input; which of these people do you believe, if any, and why?
Elo was the only one I'd done any looking into. Her posts pinged me at first and she went out of her way to clarify something, which, this early in the game, I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. But she also had been fairly active up until the votes started rolling her way. Then nada. Not sure what to make of it.
It's hard to defend against, "Eloh is bad, let's lynch her."
But... plenty of people gave you multiple reasons yesterday, just as you requested, and you've failed to refute them.
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 8:03 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 1]

agleaminranks wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:These zebra votes are seriously ridiculously suspicious at face value. If you all can't recognize that, then I don't know what to say.
Effin' seriously. There was nothing to be gotten out of zebra's posting yesterday. I don't know if she was insanified or just out of it for this game. Maybe both are likely.
sig wrote:That wasn't a good lynch at all, she was obviously cursed or something and Wilgy why did you push to lynch me when I couldn't talk.
sig, I'm not sure if I buy that you were silenced. I know some sort of night action was in place, but I highly doubt that both you were silenced and zebra was insanified. If you read my analysis of what I think the Process' element for the time was, I don't know if it's possible for the mafia to do both so quickly. I'm just not taking it. Either zebra was insanified or you were silenced, not both. Given that poor zebra flipped civilian you're not looking too hot to me. :eye:

It seems to me like the nighttime vote is to reveal one of the Process' elements? A reasonable use of the nighttime I think.
I agree that it's possible zebra was insanified; in fact, Matt's theory might have held some water.

However, I disagree with the second part of your post. What's the mafia motivation for sig to stay silent an entire phase on purpose (Day 1, at that), and then come out and say he was silenced? I just don't think that's the case.

Given the possibility of many role powers, perhaps even with multiple abilities, I think it's possible for both insanification/forcing and silencing in this setup. We just don't know.
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 8:00 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Re: Transistor [Day 1]

nijuukyugou wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:Gotta do the interview thing. Voting Eloh. Two reasons?

1) Posts have appeared disingenuous, as stated beforehand. See other postings.
2) Her vote on zebra is the easy way out, and the explanation (regarding a "slip" that I don't agree happened) smells. She's not the only one to blame for this (really, I don't agree with any of the votes on zebra), but these in combination earn her my vote.

Now, off to successful question-answering!

Linki - Whoa, seriously. The mind-meld. It's freaking me, out, maaaaaaaaan
Good luck interviewing!
Thanks! It seemed to go really well, and I got a second interview, woohoo!!! Very excited.

Well, that result was unsurprising :disappoint: It was a shitty lynch, for sure, but it's, alas, a typical Day 1. I'm inclined to agree with Nero, MP - you're taking it quite hard. Unusually so. Perhaps because there's been a string of it lately? (Again, thinking Futurama and now this.) I see it as both lazy civilian play and baddie bandwagon, but at least it'll give us something to look at with those votes? Perhaps I'm also just in a really good mood and more inclined to look at the bright side today :D

I'm gonna vote Cell, because I wanna know more about it. It's creeping me out, lurking about like it is.
But there were other leads to be followed. I refuse to believe it had to be a "typical Day 1". That attitude is part of the problem. Mafia can be caught on Day 1 using hunting. I've seen it and participated in it.
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 7:59 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Re: Transistor [Night 1]

MovingPictures07 wrote:Regarding the Night poll, I'd actually suggest that we uncover a different option than "Cell", because I bet that "Cell" has an ability that allows The Process to use the Cell sockpuppet to post in the thread and vote in the poll. We already know this because we saw it happen yesterday. It'd therefore be better to uncover more information about The Process by selecting an option we know nothing about, right?

Or am I thinking about this incorrectly?
So... no one agreed with this?
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 3:55 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Re: Transistor [Night 1]

As for me, I have to go now, and the next 48 hours or so I'll be pretty busy. I wanted to make sure to sneak in some Night posting while I could before the period ended (1) in case I die tonight, or otherwise (2) due to the next 48-hour period. I'll contribute what I can. I think we should widen the discussion of players. I'd like to perform some ISO analyses, but they're a bit meaningless this early and without a mafia flip, and I'm short on time until near the end of Day 2. So we'll see. Someone else feel free to do them if you're so inclined (JJJ, I'm looking at you primarily).
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 3:50 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 1]

Nerolunar wrote:The Cell grows into a Badcell eventually if we leave it long enough, but it will regenerate anyways. I think that maybe it gets some kill ability or something if evolved to a badcell.

I just think you are being too hard on us. Zebras´s behavior was arguably anti-town - call it a policy lynch, I found it hella suspicious.
Oh, weird. I'm not really sure how that will play out. I guess we'll find out.

But reywaS has still failed to even contribute. Isn't his behavior also anti-town? I just don't understand why everyone stood up and was like "OK, let's vote zebra" with next to no discussion or recognition of anyone else. I've tried to engage you and others about other players, but no one did so. The zebra lynch was mob mentality and it's just bothersome to see that play out.

It's OK though. I realize I'm probably too upset about it all. And I've probably been way too vocal about it, so that's fine; let's talk about something else. We obviously still have Day 2 and future Days to make up for it and lynch some baddies. So if you're civilian, help me out here. :slick:

Who do you find currently suspicious?
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 3:27 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
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Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 1]

I want to work with the rest of you to ensure we don't lynch like this again. By the time I came into the thread last night, zebra had already been hit with a major train against her. Furthermore, I worked hard to develop a counterwagon on Elo, one that might have worked if 4 players hadn't just up and missed the vote yesterday. To be fair, whether Elo is mafia remains to be seen, but I remain confident that her behavior is suspicious and she has done nothing to alleviate those concerns.

I can't help but find your NO U on me suspicious, Nero.
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 3:26 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 1]

Nerolunar wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:These zebra votes are seriously ridiculously suspicious at face value. If you all can't recognize that, then I don't know what to say.
Ugh, I know.

You seem to be scapegoating hard though. It makes me a little wary of you, throwing blame around. Did you defend Zebra or her actions anywhere? If this lynch was as bad as you make it out to be, you should have been more vocal about it before it happened.

Won´t it just regenerate if we kill it? I think someone(Nutella maybe) wrote something about those cells.
So you recognize that your vote is suspicious?

You say I'm scapegoating hard, but then you say I should have been more vocal about it? With all due respect, did you read my posts yesterday? I posted when I could and I thought I couldn't possibly be more vocal about it. I also tried engaging you and everyone else in discussion about zebra and Matt's early votes, as well as zebra's behavior, but no one took me up on it. If you don't believe me, ISO me, or I can provide the posts for you upon your request when I have time.

I said multiple times that I thought zebra's behavior was non-alignment-indicative; if you've read my posts, I would think that'd be clear. So I don't understand why you're asking me about this.

Won't what just regenerate? The Cell element, you mean?
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 3:20 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 1]

Regarding the Night poll, I'd actually suggest that we uncover a different option than "Cell", because I bet that "Cell" has an ability that allows The Process to use the Cell sockpuppet to post in the thread and vote in the poll. We already know this because we saw it happen yesterday. It'd therefore be better to uncover more information about The Process by selecting an option we know nothing about, right?

Or am I thinking about this incorrectly?
by Tangrowth
Wed May 18, 2016 3:19 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: Transistor [ENDGAME]
Replies: 1404
Views: 69802

Re: Transistor [Night 1]

Again, I'm not trying to be rude, but the fact that a handful of players just outright lynched zebra for acting "weird" is weaksauce, and I intend to take every step necessary to uncover the people who have it out for me and the rest of town, because that's part of the game. I'm not trying to imply that any of you are anything BUT capable of great play. Because you are.

In the future, I hope that you all consider that "weird" almost never equates to suspicious unless you have specific reason for believing that player has a more likely chance for their behavior to be motivated by a mafia role card than a townie role card. I did not see any alignment-specific motivation for zebra. In many games over the years, I've very seldom seen one of these Day 1 policy lynches for someone acting "weird" actually catch a mafia member. Furthermore, it makes it difficult to discern the intentions of everyone who voted for zebra in an attempt to uncover whether any of them are mafia or not. It's almost as difficult as discerning the intentions behind a randomized or self vote.

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