The Syndicate

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This was one of my worst games ever, LOL. I will never forgive Daisy for tricking me.

Still waiting for the video of you eating a hat.

It can be a hat made out of cake, or bread, or whatever. I'm not a monster.

Yeah, about that...

This was one of my worst games ever, LOL. I will never forgive Daisy for tricking me.

I have to finalize my vote now because we are boarding momentarily and I won't land in Cincinnati until not long after the vote is over. Fuck. I just don't know what to do. It probably doesn't matter anyway because f either quin or (probably) INH is Town and they are voting for me then we have lost this game.

I guess I'll vote Elo. Ugh.

Epi, sorry my ???? Was unclear. What I meant is that I didn't have any reason to read her bad but I didn't feel I had a compelling reason to Town read her either, hence ????

My immense indecision regarding Elo this game should be clear. It's because it's genuine and I don't know what to make of her. I constantly have been shifting between thinking she is bad to thinking she sounds really genuine and is just making scummy-seeming posts at face value. Right now I'm somewhere in between.

Props to whoever the baddies are in this game because I have no fucking clue who you are.

Not really sure what to make of it though.

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Hatch

DFaraday -Lynch
Elohcin
G-Man - Lynch
Insertnamehere
MovingPictures07
Quin
Ricochet - Kill

Beach

Dom - Kill
Epignosis
Scotty - Kill
Sorsha
Spacedaisy

From the hatch, that leaves:

Eloh
INH
MP
Quin

I stand by my assessment of Eloh and MP. If I'm wrong, oh well. That means my vote today is going to either Quin or INH.

I'm not impressed. What are your actual thoughts on Quin or INH?

My thinking is along the same lines as Epi here with regards to the hatch people- we know that at least one of these players is the killer. The difference being that I think Quin is the least likely to be bad. If I ranked the hatchlings it would be Quin, MP, INH, Eloh. Including the beach bums I'd put Epi with MP and INH and Daisy a step down from Quin.

With Elo and Sorsha going after each other essentially all game I think it's odd that neither of them have shown more desire to convince other players to lynch each other.

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Lastly, regarding Sorsha, I'm torn on her. At times I've found her contributions genuine, but there's some definite reason to suspect her, especially her behavior during d3. What was that voting based on her trusting players, yet having no opinion at all on the two players she was considering voting for? I think that's an awful look.

Nonetheless, I'm torn.

I'm not always going to come up with a novel reason to be suspicious of someone. By saying I trusted certain players I mean that I trust their assessment of the players/situations and agree with them.

Oh never mind here's Sorsha.

Quin wrote:To break down my reasoning:

- MP was on board to lynch Eloh when we were separated into the two threads. Having BTSC, and knowing that there were two separate lynch polls, he would be able to co-ordinate with his team if he had a teammate on the other side to have them place a vote to save Eloh (by either SD or Sorsha), with hopes to lynch G-Man instead.

- MP has since avoided lynching Eloh both days since. I found both the DF wagon yesterday and MP's current vote to be fallicious for reasons I just underlined. I think this is justification enough to create the possibility that he and Eloh are teammates. I think MP placing a vote on Sorsha hints towards the fact that they are not teammates.

Therefore, I think MP, SD and Eloh are bad.

I am incredibly flip floppy on Elo. I can't read her for shit. That's my real problem. And it doesn't help that she and Sorsha have been completely absent since yesterday. What the heck is that about?

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Quin wrote:@Golden - did the baddies have BTSC while we were separated?

Can Golden answer this? Or say that this is something he can't answer?

The baddies did have btsc while you were in the hatch/beach threads.

My proposed scum-team is MP, Eloh and Spacedaisy.

I know it's not me, and I highly suspect it isn't Daisy. You need to rethink this if you're Town because otherwise we are sunk right now.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not sure what to do. This has been a tough game. And we don't even have a single mafia flip so I hate having nothing tangible by which to judge interactions. I suppose I'll hold off on my vote to see what you all think, continue to mull over all of this, and make some brief time for this tomorrow, but don't expect anything from me other than quick phone posting while I'm at the airport or something.

I guess if I had to vote literally at this very moment, it'd be for Elo or Sorsha. I'm going to drop a vote on Sorsha for now.

Sorsha, please come in to this game and provide your suspicions and thoughts in length when you can. Thanks.

I don't like this vote. Aside from you, there are three hatchlings left; Me, INH and Eloh. If you're not bad, then you should know that there is a confirmed baddie among Eloh, INH and myself. Yet you're voting outside of us, where the probability of there even being a single scum there is unknown. You've been making the point that we're in LYLO more than anybody else and yet you're the one taking a risk by choosing the option with an unknown percentage of flipping a baddie, instead of the one where you have between at least a 33% chance.

I voted MP, and I think Eloh is your teammate.

Oh, I didn't think about it that way. I suppose you're right hat mathematically it makes more sense to limit my scope to the Hatch, but the problem is that we don't know where the other two (?) baddies are, so it's possible that all three were at the hatch (you, Elo, INH), but also possible that two were at the beach and only one at the hatch, making it better to focus on beach folks. There's too much uncertainty. I would rather focus on who is objectively scummy and go from there.

But if I feel about equally about Elo and Sorsha, I should have voted Elo due to the confirmed at least one at the hatch and since I was at the hatch, you're right. I wasn't thinking of that.

I'm here but not for long at all.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not sure what to do. This has been a tough game. And we don't even have a single mafia flip so I hate having nothing tangible by which to judge interactions. I suppose I'll hold off on my vote to see what you all think, continue to mull over all of this, and make some brief time for this tomorrow, but don't expect anything from me other than quick phone posting while I'm at the airport or something.

I guess if I had to vote literally at this very moment, it'd be for Elo or Sorsha. I'm going to drop a vote on Sorsha for now.

Sorsha, please come in to this game and provide your suspicions and thoughts in length when you can. Thanks.

I'm not sure what to do. This has been a tough game. And we don't even have a single mafia flip so I hate having nothing tangible by which to judge interactions. I suppose I'll hold off on my vote to see what you all think, continue to mull over all of this, and make some brief time for this tomorrow, but don't expect anything from me other than quick phone posting while I'm at the airport or something.

I've found Epi's contributions genuine throughout this game, but thinking on it, I'm not entirely sure why. His contributions leave a bit to be desired. He doesn't seem too interested in actually uncovering who the mafia are given our current dire situation; where's the sense of urgency?

I flipped on Elo for what I deemed as legitimate reasons during yesterday's lynch, but I've since been questioning that. I find the following things questionable:
- Why is it that Elo dropped the power role thing upon my explanation when a previous similar explanation was given this game?
- Why was Elo unwilling to vote for INH due to seeming "helpful" only to find his arguments against me last Night unconvincing, and thereby seemingly more likely to vote for him? I don't see any assessment from Elo regarding whether INH's contributions are genuine, regardless of how convincing or not they are.
- Why is Elo still essentially clearing me based on my activity level? This still reeks of TMI, and I wonder if I was too quick to overlook this.

Lastly, regarding Sorsha, I'm torn on her. At times I've found her contributions genuine, but there's some definite reason to suspect her, especially her behavior during d3. What was that voting based on her trusting players, yet having no opinion at all on the two players she was considering voting for? I think that's an awful look.

Nonetheless, I'm torn.

Alright, so I'm caught up and unfortunately am running low on time, and I'll busy all day tomorrow with travels and such.

Here are my thoughts on the Scotty NK:

It surprised me greatly. It doesn't make sense to me if INH is mafia. Given how d3 and post-d3 n3 discussions transpired, it was evident that INH and I would be squaring off today and that not only would he be likely to vote for me today but also I would be relatively likely to return the favor. It also should have been evident that Epi wouldn't be likely voting for me or Elo and that Daisy and I weren't likely going to be voting for each other either. Separately, Quin has consistently been the town tour de force this game. That leaves INH, Sorsha, Scotty, and me as likely candidates for today's vote. Consequently, it strikes me as strategically unsound for INH, as a likely lynch candidate for d4 (LYLO at that) to kill off another possible lynch candidate. Now Scotty hasn't had tremendous heat applied to him (but others haven't either) and we don't often lynch low posters around these parts, but given his absence, I think the potential for some serious heat could have headed his way today. Furthermore, Epi, Elo, Daisy, and even Quin would have been more logical choices for the NK since they have less potential for being today's lynch candidate. So... why the hell would a mafia team with INH, the guy with maybe the most potential to be lynched today after our conversation yesterday and Elo saying he wasn't being convincing, leave any of those players alive in favor of NKing Scotty?

I don't feel inclined to hand my vote to INH. I also don't feel inclined to give it to Daisy or Quin. That leaves just Epi, Elo, and Sorsha.

I'm still entertaining INH as mafia, but his contributions are increasingly strikingly genuine to me. I also think him being town fits into the Scotty NK last night (more on that in a minute).

INH, in response to your post:

I think we're misunderstanding each other. I'm not saying that suspicion lies with folks away from the CFD inherently; I think each individual should be judged on a case by case basis. Regarding Daisy and Quin, I found reason to believe both of their intentions are genuine, and I know I'm genuine, so I found DF's view on the CFD myopic. It's natural that we're coming to different conclusions, and perhaps even natural that you're mafia reading me, because we approach mafia very differently and this game in particular we've not seen eye to eye.

No, I don't think SD is scum; that one instance was a typo. I meant the opposite.

Again, everyone should be judged. I'm not saying we can't judge anyone. I'm also not discounting vote analysis; that's an important tool. But without a single mafia flip, vote analysis all comes down to an individual assessment of each player's vote for sincerity or nefarious intentions. And I think it's logically fallacious to automatically cast more suspicion upon players who have voted for confirmed civilians more than those who have voted for [alignment unknown], because generally (in my experience anyway) I've not found that players who consistently vote for flipped townies are any more often mafia-aligned (who were consistently voting on townie wagons) than town-aligned (who were just flat out wrong).

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:INH, I never got a response to this post, and I'd like one because I'm trying to determine whether you're a desperate baddie making a play on mislynching me tomorrow or whether you genuinely believe I'm bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:My rainbow list currently has no town reads.

Why?

why not?

some of us are better at seeing town reads than others.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Sorsha's the one I have the best view of, but not by much

What is that view? Why is she your top read?

it's like I went through some kind of...procedure of removal...in my mind, and Sorsha was the one who rubbed me wrong the least. She's the least objectionable, not the most commendable. Hence the yellow hue.

I don't understand your first response. What does that mean?

But why? What about Sorsha rubs you wrong the least? What has she done that's least objectionable?

My first response was based on something you said in GY!BE mafia. It was something akin to "I find it easier to townread people than to scumread them." My mind works the opposite way. I'm verrry hesitant to award a town read to someone, especially in a game where we haven't managed to lynch a civilian yet, and it's LYLO time.

My sole townread in this game was DFaraday. And you lynched him for reasons I disagree with.

When I say that I find Sorsha the least objectionable, it's not that I think aspects of her game play indicate her civvieness, it's that I think everyone else has more scummy aspects.

If you asked me what made Sorsha civ, I'd shrug in your face. But if you asked me what makes every single other player, excluding myself and her, suspicious, I'd be able to list a couple things.

She could still easily do something suspicious, and I'd immediately change my view of her.

This all checks out. Thanks for explaining.

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The problem with INH's strategy, if he is mafia, is that he could have selected a different player to tunnel out of the end of d3 and convinced someone more easily to vote for them, Elo, Sorsha, and Scotty I think would have little resistance.

Since we're going into LYLO tomorrow, the tides turning on me in the moment appeared blatantly sinister, but if that is the case, it seems to be a completely reactive and perhaps poor mafia strategy.

I also am not sure INH would argue with me with such conviction and with such blatant misrepresentations if he were mafia. It seems over the top.

Following this train of thought, if INH is mafia, Quin being his teammate makes little sense. There were moments, both d1 and d3, when INH legitimately could have gotten lynched, and I'm not sure Quin is THAT ballsy to risk going after his teammate relentlessly all game. I think I was suffering tinfoil and recency bias a bit too much when I threw that out there.

Funny what a little backing away emotionally and accompanied sleep will do for a person.

Right now, MP, you're my biggest lynch candidate.

If you think me and Quin are both civ, and you yourself are civ, you need to give me a better alternative here.

GTH, who do you think is the baddie team?

I understand. I realize I haven't been a beacon of townie behavior this game or anything. I hope at least, if you are town, you can re-examine everything I've done and the conversations you and I have had especially of late and see enough of a glimmer of my alignment in there, because if you vote for me this game will be over.

I'm mulling over it; nonetheless, I'll be sure to answer your question. It's difficult to answer because we don't even have a single flip by which to judge any teammate interactions, and the Scotty NK really threw me for a loop.

So yeah, let me get back to you on this after I've caught up.

Epignosis wrote:Hatch

DFaraday -Lynch
Elohcin
G-Man - Lynch
Insertnamehere
MovingPictures07
Quin
Ricochet - Kill

Beach

Dom - Kill
Epignosis
Scotty - Kill
Sorsha
Spacedaisy

From the hatch, that leaves:

Eloh
INH
MP
Quin

I stand by my assessment of Eloh and MP. If I'm wrong, oh well. That means my vote today is going to either Quin or INH.

I'm not impressed. What are your actual thoughts on Quin or INH?

Quin, I appreciate your ISO analyses; I apologize to you and the rest of town that I haven't been able to hold my end of the deal on performing all of that like I've wanted to. Reading them now.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.

Why would I be teammates with Quin? That makes no sense at all MP. Listen, I think you are civ. But I also think you need to take a step back to evaluate your read on me here. I called out Quin for THREE days. And I called out INH today. You all were so convinced that Quin was claiming a power role to distract the baddies. I thought he was doing it b/c he knew he wasn't in trouble of being killed b/c he WAS a baddie. Now how do you change your story on that topic? Was I correct on the matter? Would I call out a teammate like that if I were bad and if I were correct on that matter. Your reads are getting all jumbled, MP. I think the baddies are Scotty/Sorsha, INH, and Quin. I think that makes a lot more sense.

I know Scotty is a new name for me to throw around, but I just about forgot he was even playing

Why that combination? I mean, if you could succinctly summarize why you think the behavior of those players displays mafia-aligned behavior, and why the behavior of players you DIDN'T include in your fictional team, that'd be great. I know you've talked about it before, but just brief little blurbs about each player would be nice.

I'm remaining open-minded myself, hence why I said "right now" in that quote you're responding to. I don't think I'd agree with last night MP right now. I'm not sure what I would say right now. I need to dig through ISOs first... I hope I have time to.

Is it rude to ask you to just reread my posts? I'm just really not feeling well...got a cold Sunday night and its kicking my butt.

It's not rude, but I think it's prudent that we all re-assess. We haven't lynched a single member of the mafia. If you're still holding onto weak or Day 1 reasons to town read someone, that's not sufficient. So I was asking for updated reads from you, which I think is a more than fair request.

My time for this Day phase will pretty much be limited to what I can contribute over the next hour tops, so here goes my best effort at least.

I haven't yet had time for this game. Sorry all. Between spending time with Annie and packing, and then leaving out of Austin tomorrow, it'll be busy. I'll do what I can.

My schedule is going to be pretty busy today and tomorrow, but I'll squeeze whatever time I can during that frame (assuming the mafia kills someone other than me... which I think is very likely) to digging through ISOs and trying to as fairly re-assess everyone as possible. If I somehow don't survive the night, make sure you all do this.

Even one miscast vote tomorrow could screw our chances to win.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.

Why would I be teammates with Quin? That makes no sense at all MP. Listen, I think you are civ. But I also think you need to take a step back to evaluate your read on me here. I called out Quin for THREE days. And I called out INH today. You all were so convinced that Quin was claiming a power role to distract the baddies. I thought he was doing it b/c he knew he wasn't in trouble of being killed b/c he WAS a baddie. Now how do you change your story on that topic? Was I correct on the matter? Would I call out a teammate like that if I were bad and if I were correct on that matter. Your reads are getting all jumbled, MP. I think the baddies are Scotty/Sorsha, INH, and Quin. I think that makes a lot more sense.

I know Scotty is a new name for me to throw around, but I just about forgot he was even playing

Why that combination? I mean, if you could succinctly summarize why you think the behavior of those players displays mafia-aligned behavior, and why the behavior of players you DIDN'T include in your fictional team, that'd be great. I know you've talked about it before, but just brief little blurbs about each player would be nice.

I'm remaining open-minded myself, hence why I said "right now" in that quote you're responding to. I don't think I'd agree with last night MP right now. I'm not sure what I would say right now. I need to dig through ISOs first... I hope I have time to.

I'd like to hear more from Epignosis, Scotty, and Sorsha in particular.

MovingPictures07 wrote:The problem with INH's strategy, if he is mafia, is that he could have selected a different player to tunnel out of the end of d3 and convinced someone more easily to vote for them, Elo, Sorsha, and Scotty I think would have little resistance.

Since we're going into LYLO tomorrow, the tides turning on me in the moment appeared blatantly sinister, but if that is the case, it seems to be a completely reactive and perhaps poor mafia strategy.

I also am not sure INH would argue with me with such conviction and with such blatant misrepresentations if he were mafia. It seems over the top.

Following this train of thought, if INH is mafia, Quin being his teammate makes little sense. There were moments, both d1 and d3, when INH legitimately could have gotten lynched, and I'm not sure Quin is THAT ballsy to risk going after his teammate relentlessly all game. I think I was suffering tinfoil and recency bias a bit too much when I threw that out there.

Funny what a little backing away emotionally and accompanied sleep will do for a person.

Fellow townies, whoever you are, I can't stress enough how important d4 is going to be. I'm not sure how Golden is going to handle it, but since we are already down 2 power roles and likely don't have the third, it's incredibly likely that if a townie votes another townie tomorrow, the other mafia will pile on and we'll lose instantly. Let's try to keep that from happening. Assess everyone.

The problem with INH's strategy, if he is mafia, is that he could have selected a different player to tunnel out of the end of d3 and convinced someone more easily to vote for them, Elo, Sorsha, and Scotty I think would have little resistance.

Since we're going into LYLO tomorrow, the tides turning on me in the moment appeared blatantly sinister, but if that is the case, it seems to be a completely reactive and perhaps poor mafia strategy.

I also am not sure INH would argue with me with such conviction and with such blatant misrepresentations if he were mafia. It seems over the top.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I guess a better question is: How can I address your concern, Quin? What do you need to see from me to believe that I'm being genuine?

I don't have a checklist. Just be town.

Well, apparently the fact that Soneji, G-Man, and DF were all "town" wasn't enough, so I thought it was a fair question.

INH, I never got a response to this post, and I'd like one because I'm trying to determine whether you're a desperate baddie making a play on mislynching me tomorrow or whether you genuinely believe I'm bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:My rainbow list currently has no town reads.

Why?

why not?

some of us are better at seeing town reads than others.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Sorsha's the one I have the best view of, but not by much

What is that view? Why is she your top read?

it's like I went through some kind of...procedure of removal...in my mind, and Sorsha was the one who rubbed me wrong the least. She's the least objectionable, not the most commendable. Hence the yellow hue.

I don't understand your first response. What does that mean?

But why? What about Sorsha rubs you wrong the least? What has she done that's least objectionable?

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Furthermore, DF never was questioning the intentions of the CFD. He used declarative language all game to say that he thought either G-Man or Elo was saved by the CFD, never considered another perspective that they were NOT, and used that to dictate his suspicions all game.

Those are all facts. If you find elsewhere in his ISO that DF was ever open-minded on any of those fronts, and that the assumption of "d1 was a save" is ever missing from any of his suspicions, INH, by all means.

Otherwise, you're misrepresenting.

One could easily say that you're doing the same exact thing, dude, by saying Elo definitively wasn't saved by either CFD's.

It's less of a leap for me that they were saved than it is for me to assume that they weren't, and it's all some wacky coincidence.

Furthermore, DF did consider other factors, and misrepresenting him as some one-issue pony is doing him a disservice.

Here's every post of DF's that talks about Day 1 being a save.

Spoiler: show

DFaraday wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Hey guys, has anyone seen Libby around? We were gonna go have a picnic, and she said she was gonna go grab some blankets...



But seriously, I really dislike the CFD shenanigans that occurred here. Going into Day 2, the Soneji voter-dudes are who I'm gonna be looking at.

That was absolute bollocks. Nobody talks about Soneji all day, then with ten minutes to go the votes pile on? That's bloody ludicrous!

If anyone asked me, I'd think the baddies are made up of two Soneji voters and either Eloh, Sorsha or G-Man. This just screams save.

DFaraday wrote:That's just one factor. The bigger issue for me is the Day 1 lynch, which still looks like a blatant save attempt. Since G-Man wasn't being saved, the most logical option is Elo. And of course Rico suspected Elo shortly before his demise.

I think one or two of the Soneji voters were trying to save someone (I think G-Man). Since Rico died I'm feeling either Elo or G-Man is the culprit.

He made 24 posts in this thread and the Hatch thread. Only 1/8th of them said anything about Day 1 being a save.

You're honestly gonna tell me that I'M misrepresenting YOU?

Whatever dude.

....I NEVER SAID EITHER OF THESE THINGS.

INH, seriously, if you are town and you want us to have a constructive conversation, politely I'm going to have to tell you to go back and reading my freaking posts. I'm not going to respond to you if you keep throwing out blatant misrepresentations literally every time you talk about me, because that's all you've done.

First you insinuated that I wanted DF gone because he suspected me... and he never named me by name.

Furthermore, in here, I've never said that Elo and G-Man were never saved. I just thought the notion was incredibly dubious, because I initiated the CFD, and I know I'm town, Daisy joined me and I'm pretty sure she isn't town, and generally it's much more common that mafia members will try to pile on various town wagons on d1 precisely for this reason. All I've said all game is that there's no reason to believe there was a save any more than there's reason to believe that there wasn't a save and everyone who had votes on d1 was town. I've never debunked or "definitively" said there wasn't.

Also, I never said that's all DF posts said; I said that the ONE ASSUMPTION that dictated all of his suspicions was that "there was a d1 save". This is true. If you can find literally any suspect that DF had that wasn't dictated by this one flimsy assumption, INH, by all means.

From now on, I won't respond to you unless you please illustrate things that I've said with quotes and your accompanied interpretation, because this conversation isn't constructive if you're going to continually misrepresent me.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:No, I don't. And I don't find your suspicion of me genuine in any way either.

How do you figure?

Why should I town read you? Honest question. Same goes to everyone else, really.

The turning point in your suspicion of me seemed to be based on a blatantly sarcastic post. I do not understand why you suspect me because you really only spoke to INH and then drew me as his teammate. I can't fathom how I went from a moderate town to moderate scum based on those posts.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I guess a better question is: How can I address your concern, Quin? What do you need to see from me to believe that I'm being genuine?

I don't have a checklist. Just be town.

Tinfoil. It seemed in the moment like you two were conspiring against me. I also didn't like this post:

Quin wrote:My rainbow list currently has no town reads.

But I'll fairly re-assess. Like I said, it was gut-based drivel. In reality you're probably not that low, or other people are below you that weren't there.

Also, you didn't answer my question about why I should town read you.

I guess a better question is: How can I address your concern, Quin? What do you need to see from me to believe that I'm being genuine?

Quin wrote:No, I don't. And I don't find your suspicion of me genuine in any way either.

How do you figure?

Why should I town read you? Honest question. Same goes to everyone else, really.

Quin, tell me this. Do you find INH's sudden suspicion of me genuine in any way? If so, show me.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.

I've been gunning for both of my teammates almost exclusively since the game began? Okay.

I don't put anything past you after Mad Max.

But a decent point nonetheless.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:MP's gone from rationalizing everything he's been saying to just flinging accusations now. I'm going to go sharpen my knives.

What are you talking about?

Spoiler: show

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Quin wrote:If I weren't the colour of recently squeezed cyst contents then I'd find myself in agreement with this list. I'll do my own later.

yo Quin, you up for lynching MP D4?

Maybe. I'll give you my updated reads before night ends. I do think that my vote will likely go for one of your bottom three tomorrow, though.

You're INH's teammate, aren't you?

I'm just puking gut-based crap into the thread. That should be evident.

I notice you didn't answer my question though.

Epignosis wrote:MP is good. That lashing out at his accusers tonight? That's good stuff.

I've got Eloh and MP as good. Mafia getting nervous yet?

In the past few months between playing games with Daisy and spectating games where she's played, I think I've found myself a very reliable town tell in her behavior. It's what led me to town read her hard in the Election Night Burglary, and I'm seeing it again here. I also noticed it was missing completely from her P&R game (but I had confirmation there, so ehh). So, unless she's pulling the wool over my eyes, I'd say I'm 97% sure she's town.

So, if you're town, I'm town, and you and I are both right in our spouses being town, then we've damn near solved the game, yeah? Because that just leaves INH, Scotty, Sorsha, and Quin.

Also, I'm dying to know the answer to this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm still convinced Eloh is okay. If she's bad, then good on her and good for you people who saw what I didn't. But I stand by my man. Er, woman.

Is Kate bisexual? A scene with her and Juliet could have ramped up the ratings, know what I mean?

Whom do you suspect?

By the way, it will officially be LYLO tomorrow. Right now we're most likely at 5-3 town-mafia ratio, and a townie is dying tonight, which leaves us at 4-3. So we have to get this shit together.

Pretty much anything's possible at this point though, so I'll try to take a step back tonight and dig through post histories with as little bias as possible (because clearly I have strong feelings already) sometime tomorrow.

MP's Rainbow List #4 - Night 3

Strong Town:
N/A

Moderate Town:
Spacedaisy

Weak Town:
Epignosis

Weak Mafia:
Sorsha
Scotty
Elohcin

Moderate Mafia:
Quin

Strong Mafia:
insertnamehere

I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.

Whoever the baddies are this game, congrats, because you're about to win once I get mislynched tomorrow.

This is pretty damn stupid. Well done, Quin and INH.

Quin wrote:MP's gone from rationalizing everything he's been saying to just flinging accusations now. I'm going to go sharpen my knives.

What are you talking about?

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:We should have lynched INH today.

funny thing about that.

I think we should have lynched you today.

Hindsight sure is 20/20, eh?

I gotta go for a run, be back in 20. I expect the grand MP inquisition to continue.

You realize that if we're both town, we're giving the mafia the game if we don't try to understand each other, right? So that's what I'm trying to do.

What is exactly is the case for me being mafia? Why is my behavior not compatible with a town-aligned role card?

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spoiler: show

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:All of this despite me and Epi telling him that literally all of his suspicions/thoughts are based on one flimsy assumption: that someone was being saved on Day 1. I think that's ridiculously dubious.

MP's case against DF was mostly based on DF thinking that the D1 Soneji thing was a save-job.

Seems more like MP just wanted to get rid of someone who found him suspicious. Or he was so shocked that someone would find him suspicious for his D1 CFD mislynch that he decided to target him for yet another CFD mislynch.

It's like raaaaain on your wedding day...

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't get the impression at all that DF cares about solving the game at all. I'd like to lynch him today.

Translation: DF finds me suspicious; get him!

Full disclosure, whenever I read the phrase "solving this game," I roll my eyes.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:@ MP - Up until your post on him setting up easy lynches, I hadn't really thought anything of him. In reading the Hatch thread I thought briefly that he seemed more engaged that he normally comes across to me, but I don't think that is necessarily a baddie tell or anything, he is usually disengaged either way I believe. But your post about setting up lynches was a good point. He basically has a lynch lined up no matter what result Elo might flip, which would be a nice place for a baddie to be sitting. It is something to consider.

INH is doing the exact same thing in that post I quoted. I find it equally suspect.

Both DF and INH seem so uninterested in actually hunting for mafia. They're just drawing connections based on incredibly dubious assumptions.

Hey, lookie here:

MP seems so uninterested in actually hunting for mafia. He's just drawing connections based on incredibly dubious assumptions.

See? I can do it too.

Also, once again, "incredibly dubious assumptions" = questioning the intent of a D1 CFD mislynch. That sounds reasonably grounded in logic and fact to me, but then again, I didn't cause a D1 CFD mislynch. I guess MP's perspective is different.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Their games are the epitome of lacking any town spark whatsoever. They don't indicate any consideration of hunting.

Translation: I don't like DF and INH's games and hunting efforts because they implicate me.

Dude, it's a good thing I won the lottery. Otherwise, I'd be broke because of all this discrediting MP is doing to me.

INH, you don't seem all that interested in understanding me. Instead you just come in here stating all these mafia-aligned interpretations of my behavior that you suddenly are accusing me of. Apparently it took you 3 whole Day periods to find me suspicious. Why is that?

MP, you sure seem to know what my interests are, don't you? And you just ignore my wall posts and ask me leading questions to accomplish, what exactly?

I was willing to let the D1 shenanigans not influence me too negatively against you. Call it the benefit of the doubt. But then you do the same thing against my one and only townread I've had this entire game, on a case that makes a house of cards look like it's made out of steel.

So now I'm annoyed.

I used the word "seem" for a reason. I don't know what your intentions are. That's why I'm trying to figure them out.

How am I ignoring your wall posts? You're making assumptions.

You're annoyed? Join the club. It's not like I'm reveling in leading two shitty CFDs.