The Syndicate

DFaraday wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Aghhhhh, this was a really tough game for me. The flip of the coin ruined me because my recruit attempts kept failing, and I tried to recruit Nacho the same Night he died. Town just zoomed too quickly to victory.

I was definitely RL-busy and laying low for most of the game for that reason, but if I had a different alignment/role, I would have made more of an effort to play harder -- I specifically was trying to lay low so that if I could use my lynch protection rather than NK protection first, since I wasn't really a threat to anyone so long as the game went on long enough. It was kinda nice not going balls to the wall for once too without replacing out of the game.

Sorry for ruining your chances to win, Daisy and Quin. I appreciate your assistance!

Thanks for the game nonetheless, DF! It was a lot of fun!
You were actually blocked twice. This game might have played out very differently had that not been the case.

Aghhhhh, this was a really tough game for me. The flip of the coin ruined me because my recruit attempts kept failing, and I tried to recruit Nacho the same Night he died. Town just zoomed too quickly to victory.

I was definitely RL-busy and laying low for most of the game for that reason, but if I had a different alignment/role, I would have made more of an effort to play harder -- I specifically was trying to lay low so that if I could use my lynch protection rather than NK protection first, since I wasn't really a threat to anyone so long as the game went on long enough. It was kinda nice not going balls to the wall for once too without replacing out of the game.

Sorry for ruining your chances to win, Daisy and Quin. I appreciate your assistance!

Thanks for the game nonetheless, DF! It was a lot of fun!

Hey folks, I'll be catching up soon, but Vocaroo takes precedent since that period ends today. BBL!

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:If Sorsha is the last scum... I can't even.
I'm like, 95% sure!

I mean, how sure are you that it isn't Daisy?

I won't vote for her.

Let's not engage in role outing please. This phase has already been too close to it way too often for my taste. Role speculation is OK I guess, but meh.

Quin wrote:Ugh. Never mind.

Lets hope LC survives. If he doesn't, and we don't immediately follow up with a lynch on sig or Dom, you civs are terrible.

He specifically said he wanted LC or Jack dead to have the bowl removed from play. Bad. As far as I'm concerned that's the biggest red flag that I've seen yet, other than MP's Indy claim. Only the baddies have a motivation to remove the bowl from the game, because they're the only one it actually impacts.

My laptop won't connect to the internet so you're stuck with phone posting for a while. I probably come across 10x angrier than I really am rn

If Sorsha is the last scum... I can't even.

sig wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Golden wrote:
sig wrote:linki: Quin has a damning case on MP, this has nothing to do with Jack?
The damning case is that you are ishmael, sig.
It would certainly explain why Sig has apparently dropped 50 IQ points today.

We'll see.
Mr. ILynchsomonehighonmycivlist?

No room to talk.

Man I really wish I had voted for you. Who knows though the night is dark and full of terrors.

linki: I still think Golden could be Ishmael.

I seriously saw the word "horny" somewhere in that.

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Golden, two questions:

1) What kind of 'evidence' would you expect to have seen re: Ishmael by now?

2) Why would any 'case' be damning if it was against Ishmael?
MP - no case would be damning against Ishmael - this was a part of why I voted Quin (it seems like you didn't read that whole exchange).

As for evidence... any person who is part of the cult? But I do know who I believe Ishmael to be if Ishmael is alive. Hint: not sig.

I did read it; it just seemed like you were singing a different tune now which is why I asked for clarification.

Golden, two questions:

1) What kind of 'evidence' would you expect to have seen re: Ishmael by now?

2) Why would any 'case' be damning if it was against Ishmael?

"Damning case". Yeah.

It's OK, Dom, I'm totally lost too.

Epignosis wrote:It'd be nice if everyone just voted so we can move on.

Do Day periods end early if everyone votes before the deadline?

Epignosis wrote:I just hate that we're dealing with new mechanics Day 6. I don't give a shit about a bowl. Fuck the bowl. I just wanted to go and find who is bad and be done. I don't feel like that has been done today.

Golden wrote:Was I wrong, epi? Was I really?

I don't think I was. Even though I think you were civ. I think voting you helped lead to a good, informative day. I don't regret it.

Is it, Marge? Is it?

Oh wait, it is.

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I need someone to explain this bowl stuff to me like I have no idea what the hell it is. Because that's pretty much where I'm at.
Someone bet a lot of votes to protect themselves from nightkills for the next three nights. Either Jack or LC. Then they bussed quin to make sure they were alive to get the benefit.

I'm pretty sure that's not a baddie thing to do, because it shows they are scared about nightkills. On the other hand, they've basically put the target on the rest of us by making it clear they have it.

Okay, I thought it was something like that but I wasn't sure of the full picture. Thanks.

I need someone to explain this bowl stuff to me like I have no idea what the hell it is. Because that's pretty much where I'm at.

Yeah, I really hope we can have constructive conversations going forward because this Day was not only incredibly frustrating to me but way too much lacking baddie hunting altogether.

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I voted Golden. I'm tired of him getting mad at somebody and then voting early before discussion has really had a chance to mean anything.
Maybe we should have voted you.
Maybe. But you didn't.

I don't really think that, I was just messing.

Epignosis wrote:I voted Golden. I'm tired of him getting mad at somebody and then voting early before discussion has really had a chance to mean anything.

Maybe we should have voted you.

Epignosis wrote:I would have like reasoned discussion.

Instead we got cryptic fearmongering.

We got people voting where they said we shouldn't.

We got (toilet) bowls.

And a big ass back and forth between Golden and Quin that was a waste of my time to read.

I'll probably vote out of the way just to be a dick.

Toilet bowls.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
sig wrote:Are you going to answer any of my questions or nah?
Why do I think Quin isn't scum? How could I possibly know Olaf doesn't have the bowl?

Those questions?

Gee, idk. Gut?
Gut? Seriously? That's why you think Quin isn't bad, but voted for him anyway, and believed his baseless declarations?

I apologize to all of you for getting upset, but this is just unacceptable for this late in the game regardless of how lucky town has been at Night.

Fair enough.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
sig wrote:Are you going to answer any of my questions or nah?
Why do I think Quin isn't scum? How could I possibly know Olaf doesn't have the bowl?

Those questions?

Gee, idk. Gut?

Gut? Seriously? That's why you think Quin isn't bad, but voted for him anyway, and believed his baseless declarations?

I apologize to all of you for getting upset, but this is just unacceptable for this late in the game regardless of how lucky town has been at Night.

Epignosis wrote:I am too stupid to understand anything that has transpired in the past four hours.

Join the club, bud.

LOL sig, I didn't notice that obviously. I meant not bad.

Or did I...

I'm still so done with this game for the duration. I can't even fathom what Quin could flip that would provide any sort of information on me, so I think he's full of shit.

sig wrote:This vote is probably the dumbest shit I've seen. Everyone is acting like a cry baby and being over dramatic and not actually explaining anything. The fact we have 8 votes on one player means we aren't hitting mafia it's that simple. None of the mafia we've taken out this game has had this wide margins. The scum is totally screwing us over, I'm betting somehow Quin, Jack, and LC are mafia. Quin is Olaf he will appear as a role of their choice. Or theyre the cult and don't care if the civs loose. Since why attack Golden then vote that way? Why not vote MP if he is so obviously bad? Why vote for someone who is GOOD on your list? Unless your Klaus with info or Violet sent you a check then there is no reason to be so sure.

There is also no reason to create an 8 person deep wagon, AND why are we lynching someone who voted for themselves never vote for someone who wants to be lynched.

I can only hope Poe takes out the right player tonight.

So I'm not insane, thank you.

Long Con wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this vague bullshit. Any possible role-based info anyone could have on me being bad is incorrect.
All you are is my biggest suspect. No info, and if you're, like, Ishmael or something, then I was wrong. Maybe you're even a Civ claiming Indy to survive.

Golden, you my bro. *fist to chest*

Anyways, homies, I'm going out for a night of drinking and poker. Sorry my play has been disappointing. I should have been less lazy and made less assumptions about what everyone else believed.

But why am I your biggest suspect?

LITERALLY the only reason you've given is "I don't believe he's Indy".

You all could at least throw down some fucking reason like, "I think his interactions with sprityo look bad and here's why", "his vote record sucks and here's why", etc., but no. Apparently that's too much to ask.

This phase is BS.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No seriously MP you aren't being voted today and everyone here has 3-4 suspects. Relax.

Or maybe take a break like you just said you would. It's a good idea.

I hate when games devolve into this secret circle of information, and players rely on dubious role power-based assumptions to drive all of the mafia hunting. This is not what I play this game for. It's doubly frustrating because I know I'm bad, but LC, Quin, and Jack are all vaguely throwing down statements that cannot be true, and the fact that they won't even consider another perspective is just infuriating. So yeah.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Golden wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:That sound right to you, Sig.

I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?
I like you, Jack, but I'm really sick of you and LC playing the martyr. Get over yourselves. If you've gone and cleared yourselves by killing Quin, or if you are going to take down a member of the Troupe as a result of lynching quin, then great. It's a step forward in the chances of the town winning the game.
I'm not the martyr. Quin is the martyr, if he gets enough votes.

There is no martyrdom. I'm not bad, and Quin's lynch will reveal nothing about me like he seems to think it will.

See you all later, this is really pissing me off.

I'm done with this vague bullshit. Any possible role-based info anyone could have on me being bad is incorrect.

Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Long Con wrote:Don't tell us that we "suddenly" thought Quin wasn't bad. My rainbow list far preceded your little spat with him last night.

But that's fine. You're probably right. Quin is so bad, and you have a fantastic read on MP. I'm going to trust you on this one, Golden old pal.

*votes Quin* I don't have to tell you how bad I feel.
What the hell is this?

I have a bad feeling Quin is town, we're all being played by at least someone, and everyone's going to prime to lynch me tomorrow.

I know exactly what you're trying to do

If you haven't voted, vote for me. If you trust me, do it. If you don't, even better.

Don't let mp have his way.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

I'm voting Quin, whatever. I hope this ends the game, because if it doesn't and we're just going to mindlessly lynch me tomorrow, I'm going to lose it.

Long Con wrote:Don't tell us that we "suddenly" thought Quin wasn't bad. My rainbow list far preceded your little spat with him last night.

But that's fine. You're probably right. Quin is so bad, and you have a fantastic read on MP. I'm going to trust you on this one, Golden old pal.

*votes Quin* I don't have to tell you how bad I feel.

What the hell is this?

I have a bad feeling Quin is town, we're all being played by at least someone, and everyone's going to prime to lynch me tomorrow.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:"I think MP is bad because he's obviously Indy"
You can lynch me today. I'm cool with that. I really am. But you will be next, because you just stepped on a land mine.
Why the hell would I be next? I've heard literally no argument for why I should be lynched other than "MP is acting like he's an Indy and I don't believe him", which is absurd. But at least LC is giving something. The rest of you all are giving nothing. You just said "MP is bad" with nothing to assert it, even when I countered your post with a legitimate question.

It's frustrating and makes you look suspicious as fuck.
I still don't like how you disappeared for a long time then suddenly came up with a full rainbow list and a bunch of opinions.

What makes it anti-town?

Golden wrote:Jack, you're determined Quin would be lynched tomorrow anyway. You had trouble figuring out how to change the tide with, apparently, only two votes on Quin and at least you, LC, Quin and Epi against voting Quin. This doesn't make much sense in isolation.

Basically, it seems to me that you're saying Quin has the bowl and he's already dead. Well, Quin was a dumbass to go after the bowl when he had a whole lot of suspicion on him, then.

It's not on me if Quin is already dead.

I don't understand it either. I'm still open to voting other people not Quin, yet Jack acts like it's insurmountable to lynch me or someone else.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Golden wrote:But yes, I fully understand what you mean by "I am groot", ok? And I do trust it... just not fully fully. I'm a paranoid guy.
You know what would help with that?

Holding your vote. It's hard to have a discussion on who to lynch while someone's sitting around with "a ton" of votes on them and others are just voting wherever based on tinfoil and following other player's tinfoil.

How do you feel about Daisy blaming her vote on you?

Where does it go on a scale of careless to malicious?

Irony.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I realize this is going to be ironic given the conversation I had earlier with Epi, but let me just say one thing about this and then drop it:

Do you all really think, especially those who know me, as a baddie I would have behaved as cavalier about this game as I have for most of this game if I i here bad? My job as a baddie is always to try to convince you all I'm the towniest town that ever towned, and I take that as a personal challenge even when I'm low on time. I get off on successfully doing that. Why would I pass up another opportunity to do that?

My actions are not indicative of a baddie. I'm low hanging fruit. But it's OK because frankly I'm shocked it took you all this long to want to lynch me.
Never assume someone will always have time for mafia.

RL tends to obliterate those assumptions.

I actually agree with your points, but I'm also having to cover my nose while reading them because the smell of WIFOM is intoxicating.

I've been playing this game despite RL limitations. I know it's WIFOM, but literally the only reason anyone has thrown any rationalization for voting for me so far has been vague POE and "I don't believe MP's Indy claim", the first of which I can't even defend against and the second of which is pure WIFOM.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Golden wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.
Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...
Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.

Why does MP get the benefit of the doubt but I don't? Only one of us can be lying to you.

What the hell am I even lying about?

I do not understand a single thing of what you're doing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I wish Daisy had felt the need to tell us why she's so sure MP is on the up and up.

One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy. Very few MP posts (especially if Daisy skipped some during catch-up). Several dead info gatherers.

I don't believe Daisy. There's little reason to.
Because she's right.

And if you don't believe her why didn't you vote for me?
Cause there's no way to get enough votes on you by my estimation.

If Sorsha, DDL and Quin were going to be around today and if Golden and Daisy hadn't already thrown away their votes, maybe I would.

Quin implied his death would somehow catch you. Let's go, minesweeper.

What? This is made up of a fuckton of assumptions, some of which I can't even fathom and others I know are incorrect.

I'm beyond confused. Be back in a bit.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I wish Daisy had felt the need to tell us why she's so sure MP is on the up and up.

One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy. Very few MP posts (especially if Daisy skipped some during catch-up). Several dead info gatherers.

I don't believe Daisy. There's little reason to.

Because she's right.

And if you don't believe her why didn't you vote for me?

This game is insane.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:It's almost as though Jack, LC and Quin are hinting at being the Ishmael cult, but then wtf would Quin be saying he had a damning case on sig being Ishmael? That would make no sense, since sig actively wrote a massive case on LC. So, this explanation doesn't check out.

I'm trying to think of a single good town explanation for why LC, Jack and Quin would all be protecting each other with little more than 'trust me, you're wrong' to go on with.
I don't think they are hinting at that, but I don't know what else they could be hinting at.
That's my problem too
I am Groot.

I am Groot.

Vote Quin?

NOOOOOO!

Voting Quin with the worst of tastes in my mouth.
Wait, what? Why are you voting Quin after all?
Whoever won the bowl must have put a lot of votes in. There's no way Olaf risks it.

If we're gonna mislynch, why not mislynch a non baddie that's gonna get himself lynched anyway?

I mean, if lynching Olaf isn't on the table, why not Quin?

I don't understand. There were (and still are frankly) plenty of votes to come in for today's lynch. If you really think Quin is a mislynch then why would you vote him, and why now? I still was contemplating whom to lynch myself.

Whom do you want to lynch, sig?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:It's almost as though Jack, LC and Quin are hinting at being the Ishmael cult, but then wtf would Quin be saying he had a damning case on sig being Ishmael? That would make no sense, since sig actively wrote a massive case on LC. So, this explanation doesn't check out.

I'm trying to think of a single good town explanation for why LC, Jack and Quin would all be protecting each other with little more than 'trust me, you're wrong' to go on with.
I don't think they are hinting at that, but I don't know what else they could be hinting at.
That's my problem too
I am Groot.

I am Groot.

Vote Quin?

NOOOOOO!

Voting Quin with the worst of tastes in my mouth.

Wait, what? Why are you voting Quin after all?

Golden wrote:Truth be told, I won't be surprised if there is only one Troupe member left after all.

I'm really thinking that's the case. 2 tops.

This is one of the most difficult lynch decisions I've been involved in for a while.

Epignosis wrote:Meanwhile, nary a word about Sorsha.

I mean, I guess I could get behind a Sorsha vote. I don't have any reason to call her town by any means.

I also have to stay concerned about self-preservation though.

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