The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Still waiting for the day when the Non-Participant Banner becomes a thing.

Scotty, I appreciate your post and your kind words. I really do. Same from others, thanks. I'll just leave this game alone now, sorry.

I'll just change my vote to the non-player option or something because I just can't play anymore. I hope that's an OK move.

Everyone, I'm sorry. The last thing I want to do is create nastiness or drama in the thread and I did just that. I clearly should have vented to the MoD or stepped away from the game. It's a wonderful game, Llama, really, but I just don't think I can play anymore -- and it's nothing personal. So please replace me now if you can. I love playing mafia games, but I really should keep the playing aspect out of my life for a while. It's too damn stressful amid everything else, and every time I think I have the emotional capacity to handle them, it turns out to be false. Please accept my apologies, everyone, for ruining this game, and please just continue onward. If you suspect me, great, then lynch me. I just don't have the motivation to continue anymore.

I'm voting for myself. Just lynch me. I refuse to play a game in which I spend hours of my time hunting my own ways, trying to get people to participate, only to have my methods denounced and for people to be rude to me. You all suspect me anyway so just get it over with. This is one of the most unfun times I've ever had in a game, and this is perhaps the most uncollaborative threads I've ever seen.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm really annoyed by all of you frankly. Thankful I have a lot to accomplish today especially given my less than ideal productivity lately. Have fun hunting for mafia. I'll be back later to vote when I'm not pissed off.

Will that be before you've read the thread or after you've made eleven hundred posts in a row at the end of the Day while most people are at work?

What the hell is your problem? I had/have some kind of stomach virus and I've been busy with PhD work. I've tried to put my time into this game when I can. Why do you always have to belittle my attempts to contribute? You always call rainbow lists stupid, you call almost anything I ever do stupid. I'm so tired of it. Just play the game like you like and let me play the game like I like and get over your fucking self.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Host question: what the heck is a CFD?

Chinese Fire Drill. It refers to basically bandwagoning someone unexpectedly near the end of the Day.

Oh, yeah. That is stupid.

Is this comment fucking necessary, from the host at that?

CFDs can work by catching the mafia off guard. I thought none of the candidates for lynch were mafia and I stand by that, SO I FUCKING SUGGESTED SOMEONE ELSE. PEOPLE FOLLOWED ME. END OF STORY. STOP BLAMING ME FOR THIS.

I know I suck at mafia, I'm tired of it getting thrown in my face by literally every player in this thread, but especially Epi, and now even the host. Can we please just stop denouncing methods used by other people? It's really fucking irritating.

indiglo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm really annoyed by all of you frankly.

No dead comments please. This was absolutely uncalled for. I'm so livid right now, indi, you shouldn't even be fucking talking.

I am so fucking pissed right now I can't even. I'm so done playing after this game.

I'm not posting anymore. Have fun playing your GD game, all of you.

I'm really annoyed by all of you frankly. Thankful I have a lot to accomplish today especially given my less than ideal productivity lately. Have fun hunting for mafia. I'll be back later to vote when I'm not pissed off.

Epignosis wrote:

bea wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey, would you look at that, I went from being pretty much an inactive to having the 2nd most posts in the thread. Take that, zebra.

so suppatown? just asking....

I'm guessing at this point, my post count went up too. What does that mean?

bea is smart x3.

That post wasn't meant to imply anything. It was just a light hearted comment.

Apparently I can't ever joke.

I'm sorry if all of that sounded too cranky; it probably was. But I meant what I said and I would be happy to answer specific questions or concerns about whatever. But I think enough negativity and blame is being surfaced around and not enough mafia hunting. Bea basically came in the thread and lectured me, said duh Elo is town, and I didn't get really much else out of her. I would like to hear what others think of the following players:

Long Con
Sorsha
Scotty
sprityo

I would also still like to know exactly why Sorsha followed me yesterday because or I trusted you blindly is not really a substantive reason.

Bea I don't know what I would I have said in indi's position and I don't think it's productive in the slightest to dwell on why CFD sucks or why I shouldn't have voted indi or poor indi whatever. I started a mislynch. I take responsibility for that. But it doesn't matter now, I laid out my thought process clear as day as to the posts I thought were her lying. Sorsha and SVS believed I was into something. That's it. I'm tired of being made out as Mr. Oh you fucked up because you started a CFD train. This is not a productive way for the thread to go. Let's catch baddies and stop dwelling on a mislynch.

And SVS if you want to lynch Sloonei I want to hear why because I will fight it.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also regarding CFDs, disagree with my hunting if you wish, but I had e best interests of town at heart and I think that was evident. I also could not have accomplished the switch to indi if no one followed me. And let's not forget that I did it because I found the main candidates (Elo, me, Sloonei) unsatisfactory. Because they were.

CFD is stupid. It rarely works. Just like rainbow lists are bullshit. I'm sorry, but a lot of the stuff brought over from RYM just sucks. Y'all keep on with it if it makes you happy, but not this cowboy.

You can do whatever you want but I would appreciate it if we didn't mock each other's methods. I'm so fucking sick of the rainbow list bashing. I can't ever go a game without someone complaining about it. Just shut up about it everyone. It gets real old real fast.

Also regarding CFDs, disagree with my hunting if you wish, but I had e best interests of town at heart and I think that was evident. I also could not have accomplished the switch to indi if no one followed me. And let's not forget that I did it because I found the main candidates (Elo, me, Sloonei) unsatisfactory. Because they were.

I look forward to your thoughts once you fully catch up, bea. Sadly I am going to bed and most likely won't be here much tomorrow.

bea wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Let me just rant here, not against indi but against "NO U" as a defense in general.

"NO U" is nonsense.

If I went into the thread on d1 from the getgo and built a legitimate case against every other player in the game, and then every time someone suspects me I could just denounce them and not even respond to their points by saying "NO U".

can we remember that next time you use it?

Sure, because I don't just say NO U and move on.

sprityo wrote:MP, give me your current points against Wilgy and long con and I'll respond on what I think about those

Those are two of the harder players to read right now in my opinion.

They both, from what I can tell anyway, seem to be staying out of the limelight of the game; they haven't received a ton of attention and they're far from supatowning it up by providing opinions on players. Long Con's approach is very "makes a comment here and there, but commits to nothing major" IMO, whereas Wilgy is just being an enigma. I really don't understand where his opinions are coming from.

What do you think of them?

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, I appreciate your concern, but I'm not claiming any such role. I have a more intimate (for lack of a better word) mafia history with Sloonei than many others due at this site; I've hosted with him in Talking Heads and played games with him here and on RYM, and especially noted the differences between his civilian and mafia meta lately.

To clarify: to say the least, I'd be shocked if he flipped civilian. I'm pretty much putting my reputation on the line by vouching for him, but not in any attempt to mess with outing rules; rather, only to express how strongly I feel about him being town this game.

I perhaps have gone a bit overboard, but only because he has been receiving a lot of attention and he has almost been lynched.

LOL, obvious mistake. I mean if he flipped mafia. :P

Elohcin wrote: Well, I will help you out this game by letting you know. I'm civ.

I had my doubts when I was catching up before, but I'm feeling pretty good about you now.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, I appreciate your concern, but I'm not claiming any such role. I have a more intimate (for lack of a better word) mafia history with Sloonei than many others due at this site; I've hosted with him in Talking Heads and played games with him here and on RYM, and especially noted the differences between his civilian and mafia meta lately.

To clarify: to say the least, I'd be shocked if he flipped civilian. I'm pretty much putting my reputation on the line by vouching for him, but not in any attempt to mess with outing rules; rather, only to express how strongly I feel about him being town this game.

I perhaps have gone a bit overboard, but only because he has been receiving a lot of attention and he has almost been lynched.

I just keep going back and forth on you. You sounded genuine when talking about being seduced and vouching for sloon. Now that you say it's because you have a lot of experience playing with him, I get the feeling you could be bad and just going to use a sloon flipping civ to make you look good. I can never read you and it drives me crazy.

If I was his civilian BTSC partner, would you expect me to admit it in thread and get myself modkilled? I would hope not. I have given my reason for trusting Sloonei; he is oozing town-minded posts, and I stand by that. If you think I'm lying or whatever, that's your prerogative; I get mislynched all the time, so it'd be nothing new if most folks didn't believe me.

I do have more experience playing with him than pretty much anyone else here. zebra is second I think.

Oh, and re: the underlined, the feeling is usually mutual, so

Also, note that is not my most recent / accurate rainbow list, since that was when I was forced to suspect Epignosis.

This is my updated list:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Night 2 rainbow list:

Sloonei

a2thezebra
Epignosis

S~V~S
Elohcin

bea
sprityo
sabie12

nijuukyugou
Sorsha
DrWilgy

Long Con
Scotty

Need to do some investigation going into d3, but I've already spent way too more time goofing off today than I should be.

Also, can my yellow reads please come in here and post more? I can't judge your content because there's not enough of it. Thanks.

sprityo wrote:Regarding your lost? Well I would move everyone below yellow up a level then leave epi where he is

Maybe move Scotty and elo down

About anything, really, so that's cool.

Want to explain those reads further; do you have any substantiation? Can you point to an opinion or post held by any of those players and say "this is why I'm feeling this way"?

sprityo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Day 2 rainbow list:

Sloonei

a2thezebra

S~V~S
Elohcin
Sorsha

bea
sprityo
sabie12

DrWilgy
nijuukyugou
Scotty

Long Con

indiglo
Epignosis

I'm forever in the middle it seems

So what are your (most recent) thoughts? Talk with me.

Lastly, (sorry I meant to say this before but I didn't think of it) I was OK with myself getting lynched over Sloonei at first during EoD d2 because we had the same number of votes, I was still inactive and was convinced I wouldn't properly get into the game in time, and I could see that he had heavily invested himself, particularly more than I had, and had a firmer grasp on the game. I was willing to make that sacrifice for the better of town, at least at first, but I'd rather not die now frankly if I don't have to.

Also, I'd argue that Epi has been tiptoeing that line a bit with a claim of his own but I think it's up to interpretation whether he just feels very strongly (as I do about Sloonei) regarding you and Blooper, or whether he does have BTSC with one of you as well. I'm not sure it's worth speculating too much.

Elo, I appreciate your concern, but I'm not claiming any such role. I have a more intimate (for lack of a better word) mafia history with Sloonei than many others due at this site; I've hosted with him in Talking Heads and played games with him here and on RYM, and especially noted the differences between his civilian and mafia meta lately.

To clarify: to say the least, I'd be shocked if he flipped civilian. I'm pretty much putting my reputation on the line by vouching for him, but not in any attempt to mess with outing rules; rather, only to express how strongly I feel about him being town this game.

I perhaps have gone a bit overboard, but only because he has been receiving a lot of attention and he has almost been lynched.

One thing to think about is that this game can be solved by POE given its setup, in addition to the fact that Epi seems to be claiming very confident civilian reads in two other players. If both of those reads are correct and Epi is also civilian, then together with myself being civilian and a very confident civilian read in Sloonei, that narrows the suspect list to:

zebra, bea, Wilgy, LC, sabie, Scotty, sprityo, and S~V~S maximum.

If civilians can make connections like this because they are communicating with each other and genuinely producing town-minded behavior that can be spotted, and no one is otherwise being duped, it gets us one step closer to endgame.

And Elo, what you probably are picking up is the fact that yes, I've only really had my head in this game since this morning, it's only Night 2 and we haven't had a successful lynch yet, so I'm still trying to figure everything out. I'm trying my best though. I'm not sure what about it feels fabricated because it isn't.

Elohcin wrote:@MP, as I said, you are rattling off names here and there. But I don't see mach backing it up. You can say, "at least I'm putting names out there, you aren't." You'd be mostly correct, however I'm trying to do more thinking and less doing atm since we seem to be heading in the wrong direction each day. I think we've been too tunneled during the day, then we seem to get frantic at days end. Its not helping us win.

I'm not saying that (underlined).

On whom do you want me to elaborate?

I am trying to do that. I've only been active and current in this thread as of this morning (EoD D2). I don't disagree with you.

Epi, just ask yourself, what motivation would I have to lie about this nonsense if I were bad? I would have just kept you in the lower part of my rainbow list.

Epignosis wrote:I was under the impression that Wilgy was under the voodoo, the way he was posting.

He wasn't. He wasn't "seduced" anyway.

If I'm lying about this, then someone else can come out and say they were seduced. If they do, then they're lying, and I bet you won't find a better candidate for that.

It's also why I hinted it to the thread at least once, see this post:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Crazy conspiracy thought: DrWilgy and indiglo are both bad; indiglo wanted to get me lynched, used DrWilgy's "seduced" vote of me as a way to get more discussion surrounding me, but then Wilgy backed off because he's not really seduced, and someone else still is.

It's all the more reason I suspect Sorsha right now, frankly, because she's trying to set up this crap that I "bailed" but I only did once the wagon was safe and because I fucking had to.

No, I'm not lying about this.

That's why I said CFD you, indi, and Long Con, but I kept making posts against indi. I wanted to try to make it clear I suspected indi the most, had that train develop, then backed off of you when she was at least tied for the lead.

I was forced to vote for you ("seduced") by the baddies. Did you not see that you are now in the green section of my rainbow immediately after the Day was over?

Elohcin wrote:No, MP. I said you are acting more involved than you actually are. Not, more than usual.

Oh! Wow, sorry about that, I must have had a brain aneurysm and read "actually" as "usually" or something.

What gives you that impression?

One additional point, Sorsha: you say I "bailed". That is incorrect, and it leads me to believe you have sinister intentions. I'm not going down without a fight. Sorsha is exhibiting suspicious behavior and I have every intention of pressuring her tomorrow.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.

Gets civ lynched.

Peace out homies.

This is EXACTLY how I interpreted MP's post as well.

And what of it? What's the point -- how does it affect your read of me? Otherwise, this comment gives the indication that you're contributing when you're not really providing any game-related opinion.

Everyone else is allowed to say every little thing that crosses their minds, why not me?

I just don't understand what your point was, if you had one, or if this influenced how you read me so I could address it.

If it influences how I read you, its very minimal. I try not to judge you quickly b/c I am usually wrong about you. As of right now I am leaning slightly baddie on you. Its mainly because you seem to be rattling off names and acting more involved than you actually are. But I am not ready to make a solid decision on you yet.

I appreciate the elaboration, thanks.

However, consider me a bit perplexed, especially because it seems I'm getting a similar meta argument from zebra. You think that the more engaged I am, then it equates with me being a mafia read? Is this typical or something you've newly developed? In addition, you say I'm acting more involved than "usual", but I don't quite understand by what standard you're judging my behavior. My behavior was incredibly below my usual bar until just EoD of this past cycle. You're telling me that if I had continued to be perpetually behind that you would not suspect me?

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.

Gets civ lynched.

Peace out homies.

Not willing to take responsibility for your own vote?

Consider my eye on you much more heavily going into d3.

Sorry bub. You lead that and I fell for it hook, line and sinker. As soon as indi had enough votes you bailed. I suggest everyone take what you say with a grain of salt. In fact you'd be my number one choice to lynch tomorrow, just so we can see what your true intentions were today. I think you were trying to save one of the players who had votes.

I'm not afraid of you. The moment I flip civilian, I would implore with the highest priority that you be lynched next.

You still haven't explained why you found my posts compelling or what in my arguments you found compelling, so consider that a bad look, in addition to the fact that you apparently are blaming me for all of this. Typical mafia agenda.

Sorsha wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who wants a CFD?

Let's CFD Epi, indiglo, or Long Con please.

Sorsha is also on my suspect list. Just had a look at her posts this game, and it's pretty lean, and yet she was Cheers-ing the CFD idea. Why, Sorsha?

Why not? I didn't have anyone I suspected enough to put a vote on. MP comes in like a madman with a plan. The way i was looking at his posts was like GTH reads. He was catching up/reading the thread quickly and giving his reads as he went. Don't blame me for all this, I was just one vote.

I don't think anyone is blaming just you, but you should take responsibility for the mislynch as much as me, which you don't seem to be doing.

You also have yet to explain what it was specifically that you found compelling about my thoughts on indiglo. Care to do that?

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:GTH mafia team right now: Sorsha, Long Con, and Scotty is seeming to be a very real possibility.

I suppose that my suspicions of Sorsha and Scotty are textbook distancing? At least take them before you take me.

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.

Gets civ lynched.

Peace out homies.

This is EXACTLY how I interpreted MP's post as well.

And what of it? What's the point -- how does it affect your read of me? Otherwise, this comment gives the indication that you're contributing when you're not really providing any game-related opinion.

Everyone else is allowed to say every little thing that crosses their minds, why not me?

I just don't understand what your point was, if you had one, or if this influenced how you read me so I could address it.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I don't know how to read niju.

Protip: She's good.

Can you elaborate on this in any way? I know you can read her and Elo well, but it'd be nice for me to understand where your thought process is coming, rather than just something to the effect of "trust me, they're good, and anybody could tell if they read the thread".

If I can read them well, then it isn't a thought process I can explain, is it?

Sure, it is. Just point to a post and tell me why you think that post shows a townie mindset of whoever it is.

Nah.

Hey, would you look at that, I went from being pretty much an inactive to having the 2nd most posts in the thread. Take that, zebra.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I don't know how to read niju.

Protip: She's good.

Can you elaborate on this in any way? I know you can read her and Elo well, but it'd be nice for me to understand where your thought process is coming, rather than just something to the effect of "trust me, they're good, and anybody could tell if they read the thread".

If I can read them well, then it isn't a thought process I can explain, is it?

Sure, it is. Just point to a post and tell me why you think that post shows a townie mindset of whoever it is.

DrWilgy wrote:Why am I pink MP?

I think I'm better off as a magenta or white.

Because you're pretty in pink, baby.

GTH mafia team right now: Sorsha, Long Con, and Scotty is seeming to be a very real possibility.

Night 2 rainbow list:

Sloonei

a2thezebra
Epignosis

S~V~S
Elohcin

bea
sprityo
sabie12

nijuukyugou
Sorsha
DrWilgy

Long Con
Scotty

Need to do some investigation going into d3, but I've already spent way too more time goofing off today than I should be.

Also, can my yellow reads please come in here and post more? I can't judge your content because there's not enough of it. Thanks.

Also, I somewhat disagree with Sloonei. I think it's entirely possible the mafia team sat back and watched the indiglo CFD happen and laughed their asses off. There could be a mafia or two on it, sure, but I won't discount the possibility that they all voted elsewhere. Because who would want their hands on that disastrous mislynch?

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.

Gets civ lynched.

Peace out homies.

This is EXACTLY how I interpreted MP's post as well.

And what of it? What's the point -- how does it affect your read of me? Otherwise, this comment gives the indication that you're contributing when you're not really providing any game-related opinion.