The Syndicate

And definitely was a great game, Floyd, thanks for hosting! I loved it while I was alive, and it was intriguing to watch ever since.

AHHHHH, I knew Jay was bad!! I was starting to suspect something was wrong N1, and I started typing out a huge response, but didn't have the chance to post it until after N1, then found I was dead.

I must have missed some D5 EoD madness! Looked crazy. Shame we couldn't pull this one off.

Well played, FZ., Jay, and Dizzy. You all played really well. FZ. in particular had me rethinking her after that crazy D1 EoD.

Dyslexicon wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I really need to go now; PhD work is important. I unfortunately won't be back before N1 is over. My reads remain unchanged.

How do you even do it? I can't even concentrate on my simple Maters degree, and you are post-boting worse than ever lol. Anyway, good luck on your PhD work.^^

Also, meant to respond to this. I honestly don't even know. I have a serious mafia addiction problem.

Thanks though. Likewise with your Master's work!

Just swinging by for a second before N1 ends to give a reads update:

MovingPictures07 wrote:FZ.
Luke11646
Marmot
speedchuck

DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Elohcin
Epignosis
insertnamehere
JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con

I really need to go now; PhD work is important. I unfortunately won't be back before N1 is over. My reads remain unchanged.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm looking at INH's posts when he returned to the thread during the height of EOD chaos:

Spoiler: show

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:jesus christ stop posting and also mislynching me

The floor is yours, but you have to hurry. Reads?

what the hell are you expecting here?

Nutella is my top scumread, but once again, I just caught up 8 pages in 15 minutes.

The MP/FZ thing seems like he said/she said type stuff.

CFD's are awful and the worst.

blah

insertnamehere wrote:I find myself disagreeing with 75% of MP's strategy in this game, and yet I think he's a civilian.

I also townread Epi and Speed.

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:jesus christ stop posting and also mislynching me

The floor is yours, but you have to hurry. Reads?

what the hell are you expecting here?

Nutella is my top scumread, but once again, I just caught up 8 pages in 15 minutes.

The MP/FZ thing seems like he said/she said type stuff.

CFD's are awful and the worst.

blah

I understand that if you're not caught up then this is a shitty spot. Do you believe you are the target of a CFD right now? What makes you say so? Please answer quickly.

If I was AWOL the entire time, and people lynched me before I could log on, that'd be understandable.

The fact that people want to lynch me IMMEDIATELY when I log in and before I can catch up smells fishy.

I also don't get the thing against LC. Then again, I don't think I've ever agreed with a CFD before.

I appreciate content like this. Even under immense late pressure, with no reasonable means of alleviating it in the last hour and a number of people demanding that he say something, he still puked up some reads. He may not have been entirely caught up or able to absorb the game, but he puked up some reads. He met the demands in real time, quickly, and in a way that I think looks organic.

That's a fair observation. I would like to hear INH expand more on some of these reads though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:EOD1 has been treated like a Crustacean Fire Drill, and I am not sure that term is the most applicable. We/I should have snapshotted the tally a few times prior to and during the chaos, but oh well. Going by memory and what's visible in the declared votes, over the last half hour or so the voting swayed wildly among four candidates: FZ, nutella, Long Con, and INH. That we ended up on nutella felt to me like a product of circumstance as much as suspicion.

Luke, Dizzy, speed, MP, INH, Epi, and I left final votes on nutella. Could y'all at least briefly state why you made that decision in the end over the other candidates being fielded? I will answer for myself separately once I have seen some others take the initiative.

Let me walk you and everyone else through my train of thought re: nutella during D1, using posts within my ISO.

1) I read Epi's linguistically-charged case of nutella, but one question immediately came to mind. That was a concern before I could give the case any serious consideration, because off the top of my head I would have suspected that nutella has played other town games with waffly language.

2) After Epi displayed the meta portion of his case in response to my inquiry, I felt inspired.

3) However, at around the same time as 2), I immediately thereafter followed up that inspiration with a concern that at face value nutella seemed genuine in recent posts. So I was torn, despite finding incredible value in Epi's observations. Later I specifically called nutella to state reads due to feeling conflicted.

Those formed a lot of my thoughts about nutella. Then, closer to EoD:

4) While I was feeling inspired by an FZ. vote, nutella made posts throughout EoD that at face value seemed bad to me. I also thought it was interesting that FZ. was making a concerted effort to connect the suspicions against her and nutella earlier in the game. And THEN later nutella said she was feeling better about FZ., which I saw as potential teammate indicative behavior. Hence, this assertion.

5) nutella continued to bug me more, which I expressed.

6) I continued to waffle more on FZ., especially once she coughed up reads and such. Although we explored other CFD options (LC, INH), in the end I didn't feel comfortable with a lynch of either of them, because I felt despite pausing at different moments on FZ. and nutella, there was still reason to suspect them both.

Consensus formed around nutella rather than FZ., and it was getting to very close to EoD, so I switched to nutella to avoid a tie and hope that Epi's observations combined with my recent decline in opinion re: nutella's townieness was onto something.

JaggedJimmyJay, the Detached Observer

Maybe it's just me, but I'm still bothered by the fact that Jay let over half of D1 go by without participating directly. When he finally did, here are his three reads posts:

Reads, Part 1
Reads, Part 2
Reads, Part 3

They have plenty of insight, but it's clear he was crafting these thoughts while observing all of us doing the engaging. There's just no emotion here. Just look at the language employed in subsequent posts:
Both of these posts read particularly robotic to me. Even when he's been interrogating people in this game since he's become non-Vompatti, it's as if he's a robot interrogator.

I've gotten no sense of urgency or passion from Jay the entire game. Usually when we mindmeld, especially in late-term EoDs, I can feel the emotion dripping from his posts. I got none, even when he was employing charged language. Just read through this series of posts, then ask yourself honestly how much urgency and emotion you get from them:
What would you rate the emotion in all of that from 1-10, just based on a tone assessment? I'd give it like a 2.

I realize this is a tone-based accusation, and it is difficult to convey how Jay's posts have been making me feel especially in a tinfoil-y kind of way, so I'm intrigued if any of you all see the same thing.

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Applying Pressure Selectively and Lack of (Re-)Assessment

Here's another thing that's bothering me about Jay. He didn't seem to be reassessing players and he didn't seem to be applying pressure that much at all except when convenient, and even then it felt emotionally halfhearted (see: above).

A cornerstone of Jay's town meta is that he is constantly reassessing and applying pressure to as many players as possible.

First, here is Jay's response to my inquires:
At the time I was OK enough with this response. It all made sense. But it feels like a calculated and manufactured answer. I still don't get the impression at all that Jay has ever seriously considered that I could be bad. That's what's bothering me. His answers here check out, but at no point so far in this game have I felt Jay has made an honest assessment to engage with me and even tinfoil just a little.

Second, if you dig through Jay's ISO, look at all the players he did engage directly. I'll note in bolded red when he seemed to actually apply pressure as opposed to asking a detached question.
Throughout almost all of those posts, I don't get the sense from Jay that he was trying to engage with players and develop reads on them, except for maybe FZ. and INH. That's abnormal, and not town-like for someone who should be trying to determine alignments.

I think Jay's posts this game have largely been calculated and express a Jay by the numbers. I don't believe he's honestly trying to assess anyone's alignment. Opinions on this interpretation are welcome and encouraged.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I can understand Wilgy's fear, even if it's completely irrational. I'm tinfoiling just a bit on Jay right now for no apparent reason, because I cannot even put anything into words at the moment. Something's just bothering me. I'm going to figure out what it is.

Here's the problem I have with Jay:

He's consistently posting like he's a detached observer instead of an active emotionally-invested participant in this game.

He spent literally over the first half of D1 being a detached observer. But even since he's become involved, I get no feeling of mutual investment. The emotion isn't there. And I believe this is a serious meta tell because I was his baddie teammate in Transistor and saw it then, and then I saw it again in GY!BE when he was indy and let it go as reading too much into meta.

I'll see if I can find examples to display what I'm talking about.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Long Con, I'm similarly troubled by your contributions at the moment; I don't understand why you're jumping in after the fact and expressing agreement with this Wilgy argument.

After what fact? I was taking part in a current conversation.

Can you do something else for now and explain some of those reads on your rainbow in greater detail, if you don't mind? Even a brief sentence or whatever would be fine. Because I don't understand how you're coming to most of those, including the bad read of me. As far as I'm aware, the only thing you said to me earlier was "MP you're probably bad k" or something like that. So by all means, if there's something you want to talk about, let's do it.

You just feel bad to me. Even the first part of this quote, like what are you talking about?? "Jumping in after the fact", what? Loaded language. Planting seeds, wanting to make me look bad very subtly. I get a lot of those feels from you. I appreciate content, but I think you are using content and participation as a screen, and it shows in some of the things you say.

After the lynch. I understand it can just be timing, but whenever I participate in heated EODs and people come in here and get all whiny about the result, it actually bothers me. Some of us worked really hard to try to figure out who the best person to lynch was. So we were wrong, OK. It bothers me then when people come in afterwards and then contribute discussion that I cannot see the point to developing reads. Because first of all I think, "where were you throughout the rest of D1?" as well as "now that you're here, why are you spending time on this conversation?" Yours and INH's posts both hit me like that.

What do you mean very subtly? Have you met me? Subtle isn't a word in my dictionary.

If you get those feels from me, show me where else. I'd like to address them. Because otherwise this is just a baseless accusation and I have no reason to believe you're not making it up.

I can understand Wilgy's fear, even if it's completely irrational. I'm tinfoiling just a bit on Jay right now for no apparent reason, because I cannot even put anything into words at the moment. Something's just bothering me. I'm going to figure out what it is.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:May I suggest "musical chairs"?

That works, but we need a good term that has a handy abbreviation. Musical chairs abbreviates to MC, which makes me think of hip hop.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We need to come together as a group and pick a better term for late phase vote movements than "CFD".

Yes, agreed. I hate that term.

Also, I suspect you. Talk about that.

Tell me why and there'll be a dialogue available.

Let me dig into your ISO. I'm sure I'll find something in there.

Here's my updated rainbow, by the way. I'm still in POE mode because I'm back to not really feeling any mafia suspects, just a bunch of people I'm not confident in calling town reads. However, that'll hopefully change during D2, if not before then, as I do some digging back into D1 stuff, especially EOD.

Dyslexicon
Epignosis
Luke11646
Marmot
speedchuck

DrWilgy
Elohcin
FZ.
insertnamehere
JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We need to come together as a group and pick a better term for late phase vote movements than "CFD".

Yes, agreed. I hate that term.

Also, I suspect you. Talk about that.

Long Con, I'm similarly troubled by your contributions at the moment; I don't understand why you're jumping in after the fact and expressing agreement with this Wilgy argument.

Can you do something else for now and explain some of those reads on your rainbow in greater detail, if you don't mind? Even a brief sentence or whatever would be fine. Because I don't understand how you're coming to most of those, including the bad read of me. As far as I'm aware, the only thing you said to me earlier was "MP you're probably bad k" or something like that. So by all means, if there's something you want to talk about, let's do it.

speedchuck wrote:We did catch Marmot with a CFD in Phenon.

Yes, that's true. That's actually a better example than Turf Wars, because in Turf Wars the town proceeded to self-implode and analyze the CFD to mean that baddies were controlling or arguing against the CFD.

Turns out that ALL of the other baddies weren't doing either. They weren't around, or said nothing about it.

In Phenon, the interactive analyses that came out of the sudden Marmot lynch are in large part what helped us win that game.

Wilgy, please explain to me exactly what it is about Epi's behavior you're finding bothersome. I'm having trouble following exactly what you're trying to say here. Is it just that one post that Epi made that you think displays his perspective, and that perspective is influenced by his role card? Or is there more to it?

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

That's all really easy to say when you're the one controlling it.

How do you figure? Whom do you think would receive blame if the CFD was incorrect?

The controller bears the most responsibility, even if it shouldn't be that way. I'm taking a risk; so is everyone else suggesting CFDs.

You seem to be favoring the CFD strategy more and more, to the point where I'd expect it from you regardless of alignment.

All CFD's really do is remove logic and reason from the game. Sometimes that can randomly work, but most of the time, we all get screwed over.

Then again, I think a toss-up between one or more people who all have decent cases behind them can be good, but this culture of "this random person said one thing kinda fishy in EOD, let's lynch them instead of the person with actual points against them" is poison.

Once again, MP, you seem genuine town to me. I just don't agree with how you're being it.

And I'm not saying that everyone has to agree with the way I play. You can disagree with everything I said, and that's coolio. I don't want this to become bogged in a gameplay debate. I still have mental scarring because of ol' Edgar Allen. But when people are pressuring me into the hotseat, I'm gonna say something.

Look, that's all fair; I can understand your perspective. I'm not here to argue with you about whether CFDs are a good or bad tactic inherently.

But the facts are that:

1) CFDs catch mafia members offguard as much as townies. The argument that somehow baddies are the only ones manipulating the CFDs is one I've never found to be true in every game I've ever played with a CFD in it.

2) As Epi said, changeable votes allow townies to put pressure on other players. Even with day periods being 48 hours, the town cannot put equal and inordinate amounts of pressure on every player. The pressure that comes with a CFD can back the player being voted into a corner and put baddies into an incredibly uncomfortable position. Likewise, it can put townies into a position where they have to contribute. The person in the hotseat may not like it, but in that moment, players are under pressure, and the object of this game is to sort every player and make a determination of that player's alignment. What better way to sort them than to hang a sword of Damacles over their head until they say something?

3) As Jay said, now there's tons of potential motivations to sift through regarding all the vote changes. Combined with an eventual mafia flip, this can be valuable information for interactive analyses.

Yes, sometimes CFDs completely blow up in town's face. So do regular lynches when you lynch someone who has been thoroughly cased all day instead of everyone else who hasn't. But they also succeed (see: RadicalFuzz in Turf Wars on D2); when they do, it can catch the baddies with their pants down. A CFD is a technique just like any other; it has inherent risks, it has pros/cons, and it needs to be used delicately.

I agree with you that generally it's better to land on someone with a CFD who has been thoroughly cased and given a chance to respond. That's exactly what happened yesterday. I don't understand why anyone is acting like this came out of nowhere. nutella was thoroughly cased ever since the start of D1 by Epi, and she was a significant topic of discussion for the entire day period. It sucks ass that we were wrong, yeah, and it sucks she couldn't further defend herself, but she did have plenty of time to defend herself and provide reads, and she did both. It's Day 1. We have to lynch someone. I think we have a lot to be proud of with respect to the amount of pressure and discussion that took place. Should we have lynched someone else? Yeah, probably, but that's only with hindsight.

No one would be criticizing the CFD if we caught a baddie with it (well, except you maybe).

Anyway, that's all I have to say about it. I hope you can understand that perspective as well, and we can just agree to disagree on this front, and focus attention on what matters most right now: sorting players into mafia and town.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Meh. RIP Nutella.

All this shifting of votes at the end of the day feels to me like someone wanted to cause chaos. Wish I knew who. I'm going to sleep. Will think about it tomorrow.

I did.

Changeable votes are a civilian advantage. With unchangeable votes, people vote and fuck off elsewhere. That tends to reduce pressure and the resultant discussion. Now you get to judge the motivations behind the vote movement.

Also,

Be back whenever, not sure when yet. I'll at least leave an updated rainbow before the end of Night 1 at a minimum, with brief explanations for why I'm feeling the way I am about folks.

I highly suggest everyone else do the same (or do your thang and leave your reads in the thread some other way if you don't like rainbows).

Shit, I realized that I wanted to address something re: strategy, so I'm here for now to just say:

I understand we've opted to not bluntly state peeks. That's cool. And I can't tell you all how to play.

But if the mafia know how to play this setup and strategize properly, they are going to try to discern who they think is most likely the cop and kill that player tonight. Please don't let that scare you though. We need your reads. The cop already has one person they KNOW is town (right? since we confirmed a n0 peek?), and they can uncover more if they live beyond tonight.

If town wants to protect the Cop, everyone needs to provide multiple reads if they haven't already. And if you're the Cop, please disguise your read as a believable in-thread read. We need all the information out there so that the Cop can't be uncovered, but we also need to make sure that, god forbid the mafia get lucky and kill the Cop N1 like they did in Parks and Rec, that fellow townies are able to at the least discern who their peek(s) are. The cop didn't even leave behind their N0 peek in Parks and Rec because no one else gave them any cover. Let's not repeat that. So far I think most of us have done a good job, but I just want to make my perspective on this abundantly clear.

It's time to reassess. Plenty of content to analyze and dissect.

However, I have to go now. I spent way too much time here as it is. I'll see what I can do before D2, but it might not be a whole lot.

Well, fuck. RIP nutella. Thanks for giving it an attempt.

nutella, sorry if I'm wrong. I really wavered on you for a bit there, but in the end believe there have been numerous solid points made in favor of your lynch. It was great to get to play with you again either way.

speedchuck wrote:Poll closed. I guess we wait for EOD. Will there be nightchat?

CFD = Chinese Fire Drill
Switching very quickly from one lynch to another with little time to spare

By nightchat you mean posting during night? Most games allow it, so I'd assume so. Floyd can clarify.

And yes, that.

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

That's all really easy to say when you're the one controlling it.

How do you figure? Whom do you think would receive blame if the CFD was incorrect?

The controller bears the most responsibility, even if it shouldn't be that way. I'm taking a risk; so is everyone else suggesting CFDs.

This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

omg Epi why did you move after I just posted that

I can get behind a nutella lynch. I'd put her at suspect #2 at this point, even if my confidence in both of my suspects (FZ. and nutella) is waning.

switching back to LC

please say words INH

Dyslexicon wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can I just say that I love changeable votes?

And I love you all. Playing these games seriously is one of the best ways to spend my free time.

I love you all too but I'm freaking out. Also I shouldn't have free time right now. Also, how can votes not be changable? Oh, Cindy.

I know, right? I echo all of this.

Can I just say that I love changeable votes?

And I love you all. Playing these games seriously is one of the best ways to spend my free time.

Moving to INH.

FZ. wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

FZ. wrote:Civ reads:

Epi
Wilgy
Chuck


Oh, did I forget to mention that LC is not up my trusted list either. Sorry if I'm suspicious of almost everyone who is suspicious of me. But he was "pinged" by my one post, and ever since is letting everyone else do the fighting while he is sitting back and not really saying anything.

Why Wilgy as town?
I don't think I really see clear town for any of these, but am interested to hear your explanation.

Chuck feels genuine. He gives straight answers. Doesn't feel like he's going around.
Wilgy is Wilgy. Like I said, I said it last game on day 1. I saw nothing that could concern me, and I was right. I'm not seeing it now either. My gut tells me he's okay, but I'll wait for next day to decide. In any case, he's someone I don't want lynched today.
And Epi just feels good. Trying to look at things from different angles. Not following the crowd, and thinking for himself.

I do feel a bit better after this post. These reads seem reasonable.

Sorry for freaking out.

I still may be onto you though, just know that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If not FZ, I'd rather lynch INH than Long Con. He has questions to answer, but lynching him right now would feel like a knee-jerk.

That's fair.

I strongly feel this site should start lynching no-shows/low posters more on D1, but I feel conflicted right now because I feel we have a couple of good cases going around, especially by D1 standards.

I guess at the end of the day though, nutella and FZ. both have given me at least a little reason to pause individually throughout the phase, and I'd feel fucking awful if I mislynched FZ. on Day 1.

I may warm up to an INH CFD.

LYNCH LONG CON!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:It's cool, we're cool. I'm sorry too if my tone has come across as arrogant or inconsiderate. It's all just a part of the game. I've tried not to slip into King of Fuck Mountain mode as much as these days because it's led me to a mislynches and subsequent egg on my face, but sometimes I can't help myself.

Now the newer people are going to think that nickname belongs to you.

I make no claims of that nickname; it just describes a "mode" I've had for ages perfectly.

Epignosis wrote:Long Con started a lynch against FZ., and my view is that if you do that, you should engage with your victim to determine if you are wrong or right and move or leave your vote accordingly.

It doesn't look to me like LC has made that effort and therefore doesn't really care if FZ. is good or bad.

I agree with this. I think LC's efforts have been cavalier, especially since he still currently gone.

CFD LC? I'll move my vote now.

insertnamehere wrote:oh hi, what's up

oh look, a three way tie that I get to decide.

well gee wilikers

How current are you with the thread?

FZ. wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

FZ. wrote:Do you actually read my posts? Or are you too vain and sure of yourself that you just fit everything to you wrong (or evil) theory? You want to lynch me, lynch me, just don't say false things when you haven't read what I write. You'll be viewed differently after I'm lynched. Pretty sure twisting my words will come bite you in the ass when I'm gone. I explained what I felt about Nutella now. I explained to JJJ why I said what I said about INH, and also commented on the fact he isn't here now.

So, to be quite clear: you suspect MP is opportunistic in this moment and is not genuine in his suspicion of you? Yes or no.

Like I said, his obsession is making me fear I was wrong about him and he might be a civ. Not willing to let my suspicion die yet, but obsessed MP is usually civvie



linki: MP, I'm sorry. I let frustration get the better of me. Shouldn't happen.

It's cool, we're cool. I'm sorry too if my tone has come across as arrogant or inconsiderate. It's all just a part of the game. I've tried not to slip into King of Fuck Mountain mode as much as these days because it's led me to a mislynches and subsequent egg on my face, but sometimes I can't help myself.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm spending so much time defending myself.

Pardon my crudeness, but fuck all that. Reads right now are more useful than defense.

To be fair, I think FZ. is accustomed to instances where civilians don't win if they're dead. If that's a true reflection of her subconscious thinking right now, I'd say that is a civilian indicator.

This is worth considering.

What do you think, Skeletor? Top 3 mafia reads? Anything else on your mind?

I've only got the one suspect now.

I have been toying with the notion that Wilgy, who was a civilian last time and went after me, is trying to replicate that behavior and, in a reverse-psychology kind of manner, get me to believe he's good again.

So, to be clear: your only mafia read is nutella; despite some thoughts you made exploring FZ. earlier, you don't actively suspect her?

What inspired that notion, anything in particular?

speedchuck wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I think I like MP this EoD, dare I say it.

The feeling is mutual.

MP also likes MP this EOD.

Yes, I'm totally in King of Fuck Mountain mode right now, and I don't care.

Epignosis wrote:I skimmed the front page and I didn't see a note regarding ties, so I think we'd best avoid one.

Thanks for bringing this to the thread's attention; I was not aware of a lack of clarification. I agree.

Dyslexicon wrote:I think I like MP this EoD, dare I say it.

The feeling is mutual.

Didn't catch linki there, thanks for the town reads, FZ. Can you give a brief explanation of the why's behind those?

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:I gave my reads on MP, Nutella and also INH. I feel like I wasted too much time defending myself which is why I hate when that happens. It's a circle thing where you're poked for not giving names, when all you do all the time is defend yourself. Yet, I feel I still talked about suspicions. I'm sorry you don't like them. That doesn't make me bad. It either makes me wrong, or it makes me smarter than the rest.

You have no opinion whatsoever on anyone else in the game?

How is it you're reading nutella as bad when you compared the treatment of yourself to the treatment of her earlier? I don't understand that.

And INH? You mean the guy that isn't even here?

Do you actually read my posts? Or are you too vain and sure of yourself that you just fit everything to you wrong (or evil) theory? You want to lynch me, lynch me, just don't say false things when you haven't read what I write. You'll be viewed differently after I'm lynched. Pretty sure twisting my words will come bite you in the ass when I'm gone. I explained what I felt about Nutella now. I explained to JJJ why I said what I said about INH, and also commented on the fact he isn't here now.

I don't know why insults have to come into this. It's mafia, not personal.

Do you actually think I'm bad or not? That isn't even clear. You keep changing your mind.

I don't want to lynch you regardless; I only do if I think you're bad. And I've stated clear reasons I believe you are bad.

Why won't you answer what your thoughts are on anyone else?

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm spending so much time defending myself.

Pardon my crudeness, but fuck all that. Reads right now are more useful than defense.

To be fair, I think FZ. is accustomed to instances where civilians don't win if they're dead. If that's a true reflection of her subconscious thinking right now, I'd say that is a civilian indicator.

This is worth considering.

What do you think, Skeletor? Top 3 mafia reads? Anything else on your mind?