The Syndicate

Clearly I'm a liar perpetually underestimating available time and should have gotten replaced. I still may, but I'm not sure the hosts even have one available and ready. I'll be around Monday if that doesn't happen. Sorry.

I've been working insane hours, so these extended periods are doing wonders for me. I'll be able to do some ISO digging today, I promise, because tomorrow I'll be working insane hours again.

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, I'm voting MP. I have very good reason to believe he is not town. You all should do the same.

Dump it. You're wrong. I'm Legion.

Anyway, I have to get back to work now. I'll try to do things, but I won't make any promises. Please give me requests of players to ISO or do interaction analyses for. I may not get to them, but I'd really like to focus on that next.

I haven't been able to look at anyone since we had a Reaper flip, so that'll give some more potentially juicy interactions to try and figure out. These things just take a fuckton of time, which unfortunately I'm low on. But I'll do what I can.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.
How do you figure? His role literally says he must be the last man standing to win. Right?
His role also says he has a 60% chance to kill every third night and has no buddies.

I'd have rather lynched any other baddie or neutral.

It doesn't matter; it's still anti-town. I agree that it would have been better to get an actual baddie, but this is FAR preferable to a town lynch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.

How do you figure? His role literally says he must be the last man standing to win. Right?

S~V~S wrote:Fred, no!

I don't feel overwhelmed, Fred, I honestly don't understand your process becasue you play very differently to me. This is neither your fault nor mine.

I would like to understand better, and I hope you would too. Most of us come from a culture where you got MODKILLED for role claiming. Literally. So we developed ways to play that did not include hints, info drops, claims, any of it. Any form of info. We ostracized people for saying things like, "I roleblocked so and so and there was no kill", or, again, they were mod killed. So your way of doing things is very different for some of us.

It's a learning curve. Some of us loved doing new things. Me, I still avoid games where there is a lot of info, but I guess it is a cultural thing too.

Yes, this. I just also believe that I'm a much stronger player in a vanilla setup than I am in a role madness setup. My strengths as a player depend on my ability to develop in-thread reads; I'm not comfortable with role madness setups, and I'm absolutely still new to closed setup role madness games. I've probably only played a handful or less.

I think that's what's so great about these crossover games -- players can learn from each other's different perspectives and backgrounds, and both sides improve for the better.

DrWilgy wrote:Thank god that's over.

You're telling me.

Fred, you're not a bully asshole. Playing with you is a pleasure, even if we're not seeing eye to eye. There's just some serious culture and playstyle clash going on. It's OK. We'll sort through it just fine. You're more than OK by me, bud.

An LMS role? Sweet. Not a mafia member, but I'll gladly take that. Nice work, everyone.

S~V~S, if you actually are bad, I swear.

But unlike in LOST Again, I highly suspect that I'm right this time.

Well, let's hope LC is bad. I've been a part of enough unsuccessful CFDs in the past. Dammit, I'm due for a good one.

Fred, let's drop it. I don't feel like this discussion is going anywhere. As I made clear, I've already claimed. Pretty sure S~V~S at least hinted as well. Continuing this conversation isn't going to get us anywhere. I don't think anyone is trying to point blame. I know I'm not. And I think highly of both you and S~V~S, and consequently doubt you are. Let's just try to work together on this and focus on reads.

S~V~S wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm digging into LC's ISO now and I'm not really seeing where his vote for S~V~S is coming from. What's up with that? Anyone else know what's going on here?
He's been trying to point suspicion in my direction the whole game, making little feints at me. It's part of why I think he's bad; that is his big tell for me, little under the radar jabs. When he's good he's owns up to it, when he's bad he backs down.

And I will move my vote, MP, you had better come post!

*Voting LC*

I can dig it. I think that's a worthwhile reason to have some shade.

And I will try to play this game more, I promise.

I just have my conference in only two weeks now, and the paper I'm supposed to present is now becoming one of the essays for my dissertation, and I've been frantically trying to collect data, analyze it, re-write everything, etc. Meanwhile I have boatloads of RA work to do and a class to teach. I've been losing sleep lately, and clearly have become more emotionally agitated. I know it's all going to work out; I just cannot fathom how it's fucking April already, and I feel like this immense pressure timebomb is constantly ticking. Ugh.

If any of you is ever thinking about getting your PhD, honestly assess yourself and make sure you're truly insane first. Otherwise don't do it.

Yeah, I'm cool with voting LC. I don't see any reason he's voting for S~V~S at all.

sprityo wrote:I'm gonna make a post tonight, possibly lengthy talking about my position on the roleclaiming mechanic as well as who I am okay with lynching and who i am confident is town I'm keeping my vote on LC though, I believe SVS to be town

I look forward to it.

I'm digging into LC's ISO now and I'm not really seeing where his vote for S~V~S is coming from. What's up with that? Anyone else know what's going on here?

If you other townies want to win this game, you need to actually request and analyze what little the less invested and involved players can give you, and then try to make something of it, rather than imply or outright state that they're doing nothing. That accomplishes nothing good.

It's that kind of stuff that's completely demoralizing, Fred. You realize that, right?

I've given a reads list. I contributed to a scum lynch. I've hunted this game. Yes, I haven't been doing super-analytical stuff and I haven't read half the thread, but how the fuck have I "not given anything"?

Fredwood wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
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Fredwood wrote:It's POE time, you're all acting like martyrs cus you don't have time and you all think Jack is bad...
Tell me where I've said this. You're lying right now.
Yeah...you just haven't mentioned Jack by name. Unless you're saying someone else isn't town that we're not pressuring, because we're all so blindly following them.
I've not said that I think JOH is bad, so please don't misrepresent that. That's what you did. I don't think you did so out of malice, but if you all are gonna lynch me at least don't misrepresent my views.
I'm not even voting for you...I'm saying Wilgy has final say when it comes to Syndicate players.

Right you're remaining non-commital now about Jack, now that I've pointed out the similarities in your defense. I'll admit to generalization, when your "caution" was generalized and not directed specifically at Jack, but it was still attacking the evaluation of what are viewed as unlikely lynches. So yes you didn't mention Jack by name, but it's still the same argument that X can still be bad, pedantry isn't a defense because it's just a round about way of attacking anyone who isn't being actively pressured.
Why the hell does Wilgy have final say? Can you not read what I'm saying and come to your own conclusion? Sheeping like that is crazy dangerous. No one should ever let meta assessments define their hunting that badly. Come to your own conclusion of me.
I haven't sheeped...I said, I'll vote for MP, IR, LC, and SVS unless someone changes my mind on them. Your defense hasn't swayed me, so then it reverts to meta assessment...I have no meta assessment. Long Con has been active and also have given no reason for me not to lynch him. So it makes sense from a play standpoint that you lynch the active that hasn't given you anything over the inactive that haven't given you anything.

But I have nearly 200 posts. And while I haven't given much, to say I haven't given "anything" is just a bit insulting and just not true. I'm trying my best with this game while I'm here; that much should be evident. I have interaction with a flipped member of one scum faction. So I just don't understand how you can then have no opinion of me whatsoever.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Does anyone have a reason not to lynch Long Con?

Anyone? Bueller?

S~V~S wrote:Sometimes lynching a townie is a good thing becasue it leaves tons of evidence. Not in the votes (for instance see Tonys; he voted for me having never once mentioned me in the entire game, and as soon as I started posting, he pulled it off me without a post to that effect) or Jacks entire incredibly baddie reaction to suspicion the entire game. Seriously, so bad. And now if someone else starts pointing a finger at him, are they bad, too?

Here is my rainbow. I love you MP, but really I am OK.

sprityo
DrWilgy
MovingPictures07

Adam
CaptainNifty
Epignosis
Fredwood
Immortal_Raven
nutella

TonyStarkPrime

Dyslexicon
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con

OK, there's my rainbow. There is no order to the middle people, Just alphabetical.

I think Jack is bad for the multiple reasons enumerated the first 2 days, and his continuous OMGUS tactic every time I mentioned it was hilarious. I was having fun waiting to see how high he could dial up the faux outrage every time I voted for him. I think Dizzy is bad cause she is looking very opportunistic to me as well as fairly blendy which is something I would not associate with Dizzy. LC is reading off the charts bad to me, like old days LC. He is making little pokey remarks like textbook bad LC, that when called on them, pulls back and pretends he meant nothing by it. So bad.

Tony is in a tier of his own for the post when he voted for me, and lack of same when he unvoted me:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:I endorse the SVS lynch.
Never mentioned me before. Now THIS looks opportunistic! But this is the first time he hit my radar, so I don't want to do the whole OMGUS thing myself, so he floats between bad and ambiguous. And THEN he moved the vote off me when I started doing drama death post crap. But, still supercallifragilisticexpiallaopportunistic, amirite?

I am conflicted on Nutella, I thought she had to be bad, but then when she got gloaty about me self voting, when that was a clear signal to anyone who knows me or has played a game with me where I was mislynched ... that made me think she is probably just very seriously misguided and all glowy with how she caught evil SVS. I think Fred is probably not bad, just arrogant (<3 no offense meant, I mean in game ways). But he is not confirmed as far as I am concerned.

It doesn't help that I was really looking forward to this game and it's hard not to feel like I've been a complete failure. It's hard to remember sometimes that it can be demoralizing to a townie to be on the end of POE or inordinate suspicion when you're the one that's super invested and active in a game until the shoe is on the other foot. Something that I clearly need to keep in mind more often myself.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Well I'm having a great time and I'm sad if anybody else isn't. Thing is, mafia is a confrontational game. It's all well and good that I say Silver is full of shit cause Silver is my pal. It's fine if Epi brushes me off cause I know he's kinda grumpy like that. I don't mind people calling me "bad" or "scum" or questioning my play style cause I'm not perfect. But I also get that a bunch of strangers that don't understand you arguing with you can be frustrating and not fun. I hope we can all chill a bit. There's not a person on the thread I don't like on a personal level.

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to bring the thread down. It's just I'm clearly stressed and overworked IRL right now, and in combination with a game in which I feel I'm out of the loop, not helping at all, in fact anti-helping, just taking a spot that someone else should have instead of me, it's just difficult not to feel demoralized or demotivated.

I love getting to know all you new players. I'm just sorry it has to be half-assed-game MP that's getting your acquaintance.

Fred, continuing a discussion on claiming at this point isn't going to accomplish anything. Let's talk about reads. You're clearly more invested in this game and current with thread content than I am. Talk to me about your vote for LC. What's motivating it?

Does anyone have a reason not to lynch Long Con?

S~V~S, trust me, with every post I'm fighting just giving up myself. But it's not worth it. I've given up as a townie in this exact position before in past games, where I felt I was too big of a distraction for the game to ignore. I thought it would give the game proper information. It never accomplished that. Let's band together here.

There's too much negative energy in the thread. News flash, people: Even if someone has hardly any content in their ISO, you can still make an assessment as to whether they are town or mafia.

In LOST Again S3, which just finished, Sorsha had missed two votes and hardly made any posts all game. I still analyzed her content and came out of it feeling like there were small reasons to lean light town on her. Nonetheless I gave in after the other players and I couldn't come to an agreement on someone else to vote. She was town.

Just because a player doesn't have a reason to be cleared via role claim and has limited time and grasp on the game doesn't make them useless or lynchworthy.

S~V~S wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:CFD Long Con. Let's do this. I know I'm not bad. I'm feeling very confident S~V~S isn't. I have no real read on LC, but might as well take a chance elsewhere.
I am not really having fun, MP. I feel like I am useless and like the way I play has little meaning in this set up.Plus I really think I am just a distraction for the town at this point. I don't understand how or why people are being cleared when there is no reason to clear them.

I am lost.

That's exactly how I feel. I'm not enjoying this game either. No offense to our fine hosts or the other players. I feel completely out of the loop. I don't like role madness games, especially when they devolve into a claim fest.

But we don't have to feel that way. Come on. Maybe you and I can accomplish something. You said you'd be OK lynching LC right? Let's try and work together on this. If we both give up, then we're severely hurting town's chances to win this game.

Fredwood wrote:
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Fredwood wrote:It's POE time, you're all acting like martyrs cus you don't have time and you all think Jack is bad...
Tell me where I've said this. You're lying right now.
Yeah...you just haven't mentioned Jack by name. Unless you're saying someone else isn't town that we're not pressuring, because we're all so blindly following them.
I've not said that I think JOH is bad, so please don't misrepresent that. That's what you did. I don't think you did so out of malice, but if you all are gonna lynch me at least don't misrepresent my views.
I'm not even voting for you...I'm saying Wilgy has final say when it comes to Syndicate players.

Right you're remaining non-commital now about Jack, now that I've pointed out the similarities in your defense. I'll admit to generalization, when your "caution" was generalized and not directed specifically at Jack, but it was still attacking the evaluation of what are viewed as unlikely lynches. So yes you didn't mention Jack by name, but it's still the same argument that X can still be bad, pedantry isn't a defense because it's just a round about way of attacking anyone who isn't being actively pressured.

Why the hell does Wilgy have final say? Can you not read what I'm saying and come to your own conclusion? Sheeping like that is crazy dangerous. No one should ever let meta assessments define their hunting that badly. Come to your own conclusion of me.

Adam wrote:Thinking about it in hindsight, I wouldn't be surprised if MP's attempt to paint me as gfish's teammate was actually suggested by gfish himself once he knew he was going down.

Convenient. I suspect you.

Adam wrote:I feel like movingpictures and SVS voting for themselves is them pretty much giving up and admitting to being mafia. Am I wrong about this? Why are you voting for yourselves?

Yes. You are wrong about this.

Fredwood wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Stop lumping us all together. I haven't made the same reads and I haven't said all the same things as S~V~S. That's YOUR fault for thinking that.
Attacking the process because we're not voting for people who have positive check marks over people who have no check marks, voting for yourself because you guys won't believe us anyway and we don't want to claim because it doesn't change anything.

Seems pretty similar defenses, or lack of defense to me. Just because you're not ramming Jack is bad theory down our throats doesn't mean it's not the same Tact...you're just less obvious about it because you're only espousing the virtues of not clearing anybody at this point.

Excuse my language, but what the fuck am I supposed to defend against? You keep slamming me and S~V~S for lack of defense, but you're not giving me anything to work with. Not a single person here has even actually dug through my posts and thrown down any analytical assessment of them. The only reasons I even have shade are because I don't fit in some preconceived POE and because I've been mostly lurking since Day 1.

nutella wrote:Oh I didn't see the "excluding all role claims" part... but that's stupid.

It's not "stupid". It's how I feel about each player's content GTH, having not read most of the game. It's my honest assessments. My reads were requested. Those are my reads. I can't even keep track of who's been cleared and why even though JOH told me earlier this period.

CFD Long Con. Let's do this. I know I'm not bad. I'm feeling very confident S~V~S isn't. I have no real read on LC, but might as well take a chance elsewhere.

S~V~S wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Guys, S~V~S isn't bad.

S~V~S, move your vote.
No, please. I am OK, I want to go. I don't want to be pressured to role claim, not my thing. I am having a bit of culture shock I think. I will just be a distraction becasue I am so sure Jack is bad, people will blow me off, that will make me feel more bad.

I think the town will learn more from my death.

I'm in the same spot. I really don't like the pressure to role claim either. In fact, I've learned one thing about myself now that I've been playing mafia for 7 years: I don't like role madness games. They just aren't enjoyable to me, regardless of whether they're open setup or closed setup. I like vanilla games. That's just how I feel as a player.

I'm not blowing you off, at least while I'm here playing. If I die instead of you, then at least you will have more time to contribute to this game than me. I'm already overstepping my time commitments by being here, but I'm a masochist apparently.

It doesn't matter what town will learn; if you're town, that numeric advantage that you have by being town will better serve us by being alive. Realizing that is the only reason I'm not 100% giving up, otherwise I'd be right there with you.

nutella wrote:
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Town is going to lose this game if it just gets into autopilot mode. Don't let that happen. Analyze what content is provided.

I'm with S~V~S, I don't care for solving the game via role claims.
Well ok, if you're really Legion and if you really care about the town winning, move your vote off yourself and onto SVS. Maybe you really think she's town, but not as much as you think you are town, right? At least grant yourself a self-preservation vote. You either want to give up or you don't.
Explain why you are/were willing to vote for me or S~V~S.
Part of it is POE. There are several people that I'm 99.9% sure are town, and you're on the leftover list of possible baddies. Both you and SVS have played in ways that I could believe are sneaky baddie games, and both of you have provided unprovable claims that could easily be fake claims.
Provide evidence for this assertion. You've never even said this before now as far as I'm aware, but perhaps I missed it. If I did, show it to me and everyone else.

You're being opportunistic.
You were very active on Day 1 as per your usual, and then you very quickly dropped off into being busy IRL and not really participating much at all. Maybe that's not alignment indicative, but it would be easy enough for you to hide behind if you're bad. You haven't really done much in the way of solving the game. There was that one summary post about Adam the other day, and you never got around to doing anything else; otherwise you've been following along with what others have told you is happening. You threw out a really weak vote for Dizzy on day 3, refusing to join the Silver Lantern vote and claiming you didn't understand any of the case on him.
Actually, let's follow that thread a little further. After the gfish lynch, you decided to look at some interactive analyses, and only got around to doing one but you were going after Adam for a little while for that reason. After the Silver Lantern lynch, nothing. No comment, no follow-up. No attempt to find the other Reapers. Because you're one of them. Maybe.

As for SVS, she has also been going along with popular opinions, with the exception of her persistent pursual of Jack, and odd assertions that "everyone else has suspected him" when that wasn't really particularly true as I recall. And her defense today has been pretty weak, with the exception of her role claim which is perhaps a little bit stronger than yours (if only due to the manner in which she presented it) but could still be fake.

It's not alignment indicative. I don't "hide" if I'm bad. You know that.

I haven't really done much in way of solving the game -- now that's true. You all can lynch me for that all day and I can't say anything much to defend myself there without being delusional. You're right. I'm not solving the game. I don't really know what's going on. I'm trying though with what little time and energy I can spare. None of that makes me more likely mafia than town. Plenty of townies don't solve the game to the utmost of their ability. It sucks, but it is what it is. Yeah, I've been following along with what others have told me because I haven't even read half the damn game or more. I just can't keep up. Your entire argument here is either outright manipulative or just fitting some preconceived narrative that I'm bad. None of it indicates my alignment. It indicates that I've been disengaged.

Guys, S~V~S isn't bad.

S~V~S, move your vote.

I really can't spend any more time here right now. I'll be back closer to EOD but I need to get more work done. Sorry, that's just what it is.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Particularly, reads on Adam, Raven, Dizzy would be useful. Their ISOs should be short.

Also I provided an interaction analysis of Adam earlier. I still think that could hold water, any role claim stuff notwithstanding.

Fredwood wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Fredwood wrote:It's POE time, you're all acting like martyrs cus you don't have time and you all think Jack is bad...
Tell me where I've said this. You're lying right now.
Yeah...you just haven't mentioned Jack by name. Unless you're saying someone else isn't town that we're not pressuring, because we're all so blindly following them.

I've not said that I think JOH is bad, so please don't misrepresent that. That's what you did. I don't think you did so out of malice, but if you all are gonna lynch me at least don't misrepresent my views.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I know I haven't been super involved this game, but I cannot believe you all act like I haven't done anything and I'm "coasting". I have over 170 posts. Yes, some of them are filled with apologies and not a slew of analytical content which is not ideal, but there is still plenty by which to try and make an assessment of me. S~V~S also has content as well. This is really just dumb to say "all Syndicate players are playing the same" and "MP is coasting". There's content in there. You can analyze them. Give me something to respond to.
SVS has very little content.

All her posts are about how I'm bad. Very little about other players. Very little in the way of details.

I've asked her for this multiple times and she doesn't feel the need to give us any more.

Care to give any reads on other players MP?

That's fine, if you want to lynch her for that by all means. I don't know her alignment. I just massively misread her in LOST Again so I'm not going to act like I'm super opposed to her lynch. I just think she's town based on the small amounts I have been able to play of this game. I've said so all game. But that's just my lone somewhat uninformed perspective; there's enough of the thread I haven't read frankly.

I'm so out of the loop this game I don't feel I have any particularly well-informed reads. But just GTH I'd say, excluding all role claims as if they never existed:

Adam - Scum
Nifty - Scum
Wilgy - Town
Dizzy - Scum
Epi - Town
Fred - Town
IR - Town
JOH - Town
LC - Town
nutella - Town
sprityo - Town
S~V~S - Town
TSP - Scum

I don't feel super confident about many of those though. Ideally I want to do ISOs but I shouldn't even be here right now (I have too much work to do and it's incredibly time sensitive) and I've also had to defend myself.

nutella wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
nutella wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Town is going to lose this game if it just gets into autopilot mode. Don't let that happen. Analyze what content is provided.

I'm with S~V~S, I don't care for solving the game via role claims.
Well ok, if you're really Legion and if you really care about the town winning, move your vote off yourself and onto SVS. Maybe you really think she's town, but not as much as you think you are town, right? At least grant yourself a self-preservation vote. You either want to give up or you don't.
Explain why you are/were willing to vote for me or S~V~S.
Part of it is POE. There are several people that I'm 99.9% sure are town, and you're on the leftover list of possible baddies. Both you and SVS have played in ways that I could believe are sneaky baddie games, and both of you have provided unprovable claims that could easily be fake claims.

Provide evidence for this assertion. You've never even said this before now as far as I'm aware, but perhaps I missed it. If I did, show it to me and everyone else.

You're being opportunistic.

Fred, I've done much more than vote for myself right now. Look into my posts and then tell me why you think I should be lynched today. I'm not a non-entity.

You all need to stop throwing your hands up in the air at everyone who hasn't role claimed. We're not all the same.

I'm not trying to be rude but holy fuck guys.

Fredwood wrote:lol...You and SVS and to an extent LC are all playing the same defense. With you and SVS it's almost identical even to the extent that you're both voting for yourself. Instead of actually defending yourself you're attacking the process of playing the game that even you guys play.

It's POE time, you're all acting like martyrs cus you don't have time and you all think Jack is bad...I don't care about lack of time, it's cool, it's why you, SVS and IR have lasted this long, because it's only fair. However we've stated clearly that we're going after unknowns this phase...you are clearly an unknown, Jack is not an unknown, not only is he is not an unknown, he's done two things that are rather pro-town.

Who said anything about coasting, and role claiming. If you think a role claim is the only way you can get more information out about yourself then do it, if you don't give us another reason to at least give you a chance to prove yourself.

Day 2 I was nearly 90 percent sure Nifty was scum, I even made a number of indepth analytical posts...guess what, he responded (eventually) gave me a reason to give him time to prove himself, and now he's relatively high on my town list. That was somebody I ACTIVELY SUSPECTED, and I still gave him a chance. I don't actively suspect you, I know nothing about you, so don't insult me by saying I'm voting for you because you're coasting and not taking into account all information I have available, when that's the whole point of this entire exercise...to get more damn information on you to make a better decision. Playing the victim, when Nifty's continued existence is proof of my lack of intransigence, and voting for yourself is not the way to convince me that you shouldn't be voted for.

I mean you're all acting like this is extremely difficult, there's a list of about 6 people, you literally don't have to be the fastest person, you just don't have to be slowest in order to not get eaten by the bear.

Also, I've seen "MP is coasting" at least twice now. And I did role claim. Pay attention.

It's lazy ass town play. POE can be used incredibly well. I love POE. But you all are using it like half-assed right now. Not a single one of you can take 5 minutes to dig into my posts and analyze something? Instead you just lynch me blindly?

Stop lumping us all together. I haven't made the same reads and I haven't said all the same things as S~V~S. That's YOUR fault for thinking that.

Fredwood wrote:It's POE time, you're all acting like martyrs cus you don't have time and you all think Jack is bad...

Tell me where I've said this. You're lying right now.

nutella wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Town is going to lose this game if it just gets into autopilot mode. Don't let that happen. Analyze what content is provided.

I'm with S~V~S, I don't care for solving the game via role claims.
Well ok, if you're really Legion and if you really care about the town winning, move your vote off yourself and onto SVS. Maybe you really think she's town, but not as much as you think you are town, right? At least grant yourself a self-preservation vote. You either want to give up or you don't.

Explain why you are/were willing to vote for me or S~V~S.

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