The Syndicate

112 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 12:04 pm Good game, grats scum. Nanook pulled it off when it was seemingly not a tenable end. I love long solo runs, so hats off.

@Master Radishes would've had a good run too if he weren't so unlucky. I had him for a bit D1, but I believe him when he told me he was confident he was going to bounce back and throw me off his tail.

Good game from MP as well- his AtE was top-notch, champ-level stuff.

The feeling is mutual, let’s play longer together next time!

Holy fuck, Nanook is goat!

It was very strange being town and then turning around and being scum in a lurker position... I was planning on efforting my way out of it but I was pretty busy that first day phase and figured I wouldn’t get lynched right away. Oops.

I can't fucking believe this.

Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK

Okay seriously, what the fuck

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:56 pm We should do whatever is necessary to not lynch Wilgy rn.

Is DDL/Nanook just one vote?

I think so.

We should let it rand again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:49 pm What if Nutella was a forged wolf?

What the actual fuck, you mean like a scum that appears as town?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:48 pm Let’s Kill MP Before He Has A Chance To Powerwolf, Also Known As The Nutella Special

This could be a post-rock or drone song title.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:48 pm If we mislynch Tony, I think we win by lynching Juliets, MP and Nanook.

What happens if we mislynch MP? Or Juliets?

I don't follow.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:42 pm Or it’s WIFOM.

Let’s kill him and figure it out from there though, that sounds fun!

The nanook cfd is actually becoming very tempting in muh brainhole.

Why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:43 pm I kinda think Tony is town.

Explain?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:42 pm Or it’s WIFOM.

Let’s kill him and figure it out from there though, that sounds fun!

No it doesn't.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:41 pm I’ll never live it down if I cfd onto town MP twice in one game.

Hey if MP is a wolf, why is he okay with a 3 player POE of Juliets, Tony, Wilgy when we have 4 lynches and he’s done nothing to make us trust him?

Because he’s not a wolf.

Or because the other wolf isn’t in Tony/Juliets/Wilgy.

I'm not really okay with it per se, I'm just not quite at anywhere else.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:35 pm I kinda want to switch to MP.

Oh my god why.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:34 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:29 pm IM JUST TRYING TO LOVE YOU

For what it’s worth, this will mark the first time Jack has mislynched me as town. Given a pretty stellar record, something to keep in mind.

Hey, it's not over yet.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:32 pm

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Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:29 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:15 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:13 pm This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony

Right now though, Wilgy seems wrong in PoE. I'd probably move him up and move the three I have in slight town down to POE.

It’s dumb but I was just thinking I trust Wilgy a hair more than Nanook.

I know, right? Like, I think in order of trust individually, from greatest to least, it's like Wilgy -> Nanook -> Juliets -> MP7 -> Tony

I will admit though that if you had asked me to rank these about two hours ago, Nanook would still be the top in that group. Wilgy's recent posts influenced me to put him that high.

What do you like about them?

Hey guys, sorry about that.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:13 pm This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony

Yay, my layout is awesome!

Dinner time FYI, but I'll still be here, just more passive for a bit.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:08 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:06 pm Gut-based MP7 2.0 D3 reads

Strong town:
Jack
Nanook

Moderate town:
Hyena

Slight town:
speed
DDL

POE:
DrWilgy
juliets
Tony

What's pee green speed read for?

What do you mean, why I am reading speedchuck slight town? I'm not totally sure, my reads are pretty gut-based right now, and there's some tinfoil there. At face value though I like what he's doing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:52 pm DrWilgy, you think DDL is scum. Can you speak to that?

Gut feeling based on his minimal stance. While i know Ive prolly missed alot, he's someone who feels under my radar who normally isn't.

I would frankly agree were it not for

a. his D1 stance and pursuance of MR
b. his excuse for playing minimally, trouble keeping up, etc.

Is it possible that a scum team might have thought DDL was going down at some point so they wanted MR to look better as a result of that, or vice versa? I think thread environment might be an important consideration there, not sure if you've spoken to that.

Linki: looking at that now, I'd say GTH that the first and third posts by DDL read pretty good, and the MR ones look decent as well. They could be distancing, but only like in the Mexal type situation -- to explain, in my Champs S5 qualifier, Mexal treated both of his scummates similarly, and then won in an F3.

Gut-based MP7 2.0 D3 reads

Strong town:
Jack
Nanook

Moderate town:
Hyena

Slight town:
speed
DDL

POE:
DrWilgy
juliets
Tony

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 pm Can we lynch DDL then tsp if I'm wrong? I don't feel good about the tsp lynch and think I'm decent at reading him.

Sell me more on DDL. I thought he seemed pretty town in my earlier version on D1, but I haven't been able to feel much since then in either my 1.0 or 2.0 version.

This is random, but can anyone who has played with juliets more recently than I can speak to her defending herself? Does anyone think that's AI in any way? To explain, I feel like she goes out of her way to defend herself against any semblance of suspicion more than the average player, and I can't help but try to read into it.

Part of the reason I ask is I'm in her ISO now and in combination with her recent clarification about Jack's joke, I'm seeing just how often this happens.

Thanks Wilgy!

Hmmm... that is an interesting hypothesis, usually I've heard that referred to as the rule of three, like scum tends to put scummate in a pool like that and two other townies, but I'm not sure how often that's actually happened.

LET IT RAND

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:56 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:52 pm @DrWilgy, you think DDL is scum. Can you speak to that?

Gut feeling based on his minimal stance. While i know Ive prolly missed alot, he's someone who feels under my radar who normally isn't.

Also DDL and TSP being in radishes lump with sig makes me think one of the three are bad.

2 truths kind a thing.

Wait, which post was this?

Updated chart for Wilgy and Tony's GTH reads:

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:39 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:34 pm Fun fact, Tony has alignment equity with Juliets and Wilgy.

Says the guy who gth put it as Tony + MP.

I’m anticipating a loss.

What is "alignment equity"?

Like, teammate compatible for scum/mafia purposes.

Ok, so then I don't understand why I'm teammate compatible with Tony and Wilgy.

I would also like to hear if Jack has specific reasons for those.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm

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M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:35 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:22 pm

Well, hopefully that is helpful. Interestingly, Tony is the overwhelming option for scum.

If all of DDL, Hyena, Jack, and Nanook are indeed town, I think we've won? Almost.

Well, if we add Wilgy's onto this, it changes to:

DDL 4-1
Wilgy 2-3
Hyena 5-0
Jack 5-0
juliets 2-3
Nanook 6-0
MP7 3-2
speed 5-1
Tony 1-5

Why are some people at 6 total and some 5 total?

Nanook, speed, and Tony didn't participate (6), the rest of us did (5), which means we had to read ourselves and I didn't count those.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:34 pm Fun fact, Tony has alignment equity with Juliets and Wilgy.

Says the guy who gth put it as Tony + MP.

I’m anticipating a loss.

What is "alignment equity"?

Like, teammate compatible for scum/mafia purposes.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:22 pm

Well, hopefully that is helpful. Interestingly, Tony is the overwhelming option for scum.

If all of DDL, Hyena, Jack, and Nanook are indeed town, I think we've won? Almost.

Well, if we add Wilgy's onto this, it changes to:

DDL 4-1
Wilgy 2-3
Hyena 5-0
Jack 5-0
juliets 2-3
Nanook 6-0
MP7 3-2
speed 5-1
Tony 1-5

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:31 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:58 pm Hyena

Jackofhearts2005

Town

Town

A wild Wilgy appears!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:27 pm Secret TK is not town sided.

Yesterday was a pretty much perfect example why.

Yeah, I'm not salty about that at all.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:27 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:25 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:24 pm

Spoiler: show

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:22 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:57 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:52 pm

Why? Who am I supposed to vote? I can be pretty easily goaded as town, but I don’t feel that this matches Speed’s scum games at all. Juliets is... I don’t know.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p603559

Is there a reason wilgy and MP are nonstarters for you?


Also weren’t you on chuck like 20 minutes ago

I’m hesitant to lynch a first day replacement. Wilgy is my partner. He won’t agree to voting for himself.

Ah right forgot wilgy wasn’t possible for you.

Fair enough then, carry on

He also hasn’t showed today. I can’t imagine being scum and not showing up. That’s a sort of out of game clear, but oh well.

How do you figure?

I mean, second sentence sort of does the work. I think if he’s scum, he feels more of a responsibility to try to replace out if he can’t be around than if he’s town and thinks he can play later, and scum is more fun so you’re around more anyways? maybe?

I see where you're coming from, but I don't know. I really think it's hard to definitively clear anyone on that one way or the other.

Given that we're an hour and a half until EoD and I still need to eat dinner, I suppose full fledged ISOs will have to wait, but I'll do some digging now nonetheless.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:24 pm

Spoiler: show

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:22 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:57 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:48 pm That’s a pretty bad vote Tony

Why? Who am I supposed to vote? I can be pretty easily goaded as town, but I don’t feel that this matches Speed’s scum games at all. Juliets is... I don’t know.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p603559

Is there a reason wilgy and MP are nonstarters for you?


Also weren’t you on chuck like 20 minutes ago

I’m hesitant to lynch a first day replacement. Wilgy is my partner. He won’t agree to voting for himself.

Ah right forgot wilgy wasn’t possible for you.

Fair enough then, carry on

He also hasn’t showed today. I can’t imagine being scum and not showing up. That’s a sort of out of game clear, but oh well.

How do you figure?

Well, hopefully that is helpful. Interestingly, Tony is the overwhelming option for scum.

If all of DDL, Hyena, Jack, and Nanook are indeed town, I think we've won? Almost.

Also Wilgy vanished after responding to the first one, so unless he posts them soon I'll just remove his I guess.

Hey juliets, you must have missed DDL/Wilgy, otherwise you got them all.

I still need the rest of DDL and Wilgy's reads anyway.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:34 pm Maybe I’m biased into thinking tony is town because I feel like I have a decent understanding of him game/a fairly few of the accusations against him remind me of stuff that gets levied at me sometimes, but like, I just don’t really see “he changed his mind and didn’t document it in excruciating detail in thread” as being particularly AI

Nanook, my biggest issue is those MR posts where he is chasing Tony. Is your read that MR was trying to get a townie instead of distancing?

linki looks like we are doing GTH

Feel free to join in juliets.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:03 pm Who’s gonna make the graph?

123 not it!

I'm on it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:00 pm Gth is so much more annoying than usual when you don’t even consolidate it, jfc

Sorry, didn't intend to be annoying with it, just used to doing it in groups.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:01 pm MP7

speed

Tony

town

town

scum

MP7

speed

Tony

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:59 pm juliets

Nanook

scum

town

juliets

Nanook