The Syndicate

DFaraday wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I'd like to ask the lemons or DF why they didn't kill the obvious civs? I was expecting to die since Made got lynched.

For awhile I was just taking out people whom I felt might start ushing for my lynch (MP, then Dom). Then I decided that since I didn't have my protection anymore, I would try to take out the baddie team so they couldn't NK me.

So THAT'S why you killed me.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:Fun game, Elo + Epi! <3 Also, congrats to the winners!



I was convinced someone wanted me dead because you kept controlling my votes to the worst possible person I could vote for in the given situation.

Is that why you were saying what you were about LC or are you referring to different votes?

Ha ha, yeah, it was funny when Dom said I was trying to make him and you fight each other. I was like, "No... but it's cool!"

LOL, I thought that Dom's turnaround like that was too strange. Makes sense now.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, and I couldn't believe DF was Chick Hicks!!! Well played!

I am even more shocked to find out Llama was Sally!!!! Ahhh!!! I agonized over resurrecting him SO BADLY since he died so early, it was around his birthday, and I knew he would help baddie hunt. But in the end what kept me from it was that he was killed by Chick and I couldn't tell myself that he was civvie and I didn't want to be the guy who rezzed a mafia member. So in the end I went with the quickest safe bet (BWT) that I could, even though I had my doubts that he'd be very active.

You resurrected the guy who told me that you talked too much (and silenced you).

Lol, yeah, well... I would have resurrected the first player regardless to be cleared as civvie that way.

Who was it that brought up the theory that the mafia killed one of their own so that I would do that? I only caught up from time to time, but I remember reading that I think. That was an interesting theory.

It was FZ's theory.

Oh, okay. That would have been a CRAZY idea. Maybe a really good one. Most people probably wouldn't do it. But I might have considered it.

Dom wrote:Fun game, Elo + Epi! <3 Also, congrats to the winners!



I was convinced someone wanted me dead because you kept controlling my votes to the worst possible person I could vote for in the given situation.

Is that why you were saying what you were about LC or are you referring to different votes?

Simon's instincts are always better than all of us adults.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, and I couldn't believe DF was Chick Hicks!!! Well played!

I am even more shocked to find out Llama was Sally!!!! Ahhh!!! I agonized over resurrecting him SO BADLY since he died so early, it was around his birthday, and I knew he would help baddie hunt. But in the end what kept me from it was that he was killed by Chick and I couldn't tell myself that he was civvie and I didn't want to be the guy who rezzed a mafia member. So in the end I went with the quickest safe bet (BWT) that I could, even though I had my doubts that he'd be very active.

You resurrected the guy who told me that you talked too much (and silenced you).

Lol, yeah, well... I would have resurrected the first player regardless to be cleared as civvie that way.

Who was it that brought up the theory that the mafia killed one of their own so that I would do that? I only caught up from time to time, but I remember reading that I think. That was an interesting theory.

Also, I want to apologize again for everyone I railroaded this game. :P

I'll try to keep my narrowmindedness more in check, but no promises.

Oh, and I couldn't believe DF was Chick Hicks!!! Well played!

I am even more shocked to find out Llama was Sally!!!! Ahhh!!! I agonized over resurrecting him SO BADLY since he died so early, it was around his birthday, and I knew he would help baddie hunt. But in the end what kept me from it was that he was killed by Chick and I couldn't tell myself that he was civvie and I didn't want to be the guy who rezzed a mafia member. So in the end I went with the quickest safe bet (BWT) that I could, even though I had my doubts that he'd be very active.

Wow, nice job, civvies!!!!! My death was probably exactly what you needed to start actually lynching baddies since my track record was so terrible. At least I was right about LC's behavior being off. :P

This was one of my worst performances, but I'm really so glad that the civilians were able to pull it off.

The racing/laps dynamic was SUPER COOL, Rob. I hadn't guessed that and I was constantly wondering what that all meant.

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

aww poor Sockadoodledoo! No worries I have you all set here.

This is absolutely epic.

Dom wrote:I have to think about who would do something this clever...

I'm confused, what do you mean?

Dom, I really don't understand why you voted BR. Can you elaborate? Because revenge voting this late in the game just smacks of insanity.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
What do you mean it doesn't matter? Of course it does.

I'm not kidding you. I don't necessarily believe that to be true, but it's a possibility. Why are you "revenge voting" BR on Day 6 of this game when clearly there's baddie hunting to be done? Your vote smells throwaway, and the fact that you aren't voting Made all of a sudden strikes me as equally odd.

Your talk smells like you set me up.
Everything about this screams like you're trying to corner me, but no one believes you (because you are wrong).

DFaraday wrote:I do think it's possible that Made an Snowy are pulling WIFOM, knowing that such heavy vouching will lead people to doubt them. Also, if Made is the Seemer, he could always come back civvie, I suppose. But I feel that lynching him would give us the most answers at this point, and as I don't have time to stick around for the end of the lynch, I am voting him.

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woah there buddy I think you're awfully fishy!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Interestingly, if you look over DF's posts, you'll notice he agreed with her on Blooper D1, and that he voted for Llama D2 because of Llama's odd vote for Ambray. He also doesn't really talk about Ambray, ever.

So why not lynch Ambray, if this is your basis of suspicion?

MovingPictures07 wrote:WTF

Well, not surprised there. RIP Made. I do think the simplest and most accurate possibility is that you are that role.

My eye is even more firmly on DFaraday and Ambray, and to a lesser extent MR, after this lynch.

But when you were wrong there was a chance that the people you lynched were the Seemer...

1) I don't understand what you mean.

2) Good question. DF's behavior just seemed bad to me first, then I thought of a DF and Ambray connection. I feel worse about DF than I do about Ambray.

3) Would you stop antagonizing me on the Seemer possibilities? I will admit to a possibility of Made being the Seemer, I even implied it in that post! He could have been; I don't know. I just don't think he was, and that's my opinion.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I voted for BR to pull Bessie to fix the road. I wanted to vote right away 'cause I ain't missing another poll!!

BR gets it for missing the lynch vote.

Seems like a good reason to me.

Not Snow Dog anymore? Why were you originally voting for him, and why did you change it?

Didn't really think it mattered where I put my vote, so just in case it was a good thing, I placed it on Snowy. Honestly, I'm almost entirely convinced these night polls aren't doing anything.

Heh heh, just kidding. I pretty much agree with you. Make me win one, and I'll let you know for sure.

Oh, LOL. Well, I tied with Snowy earlier and it seems neither of us were affected, but sure. You don't want to win this one though do you?

Why would you give me the evil eye for that?

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I voted for BR to pull Bessie to fix the road. I wanted to vote right away 'cause I ain't missing another poll!!

BR gets it for missing the lynch vote.

Seems like a good reason to me.

Not Snow Dog anymore? Why were you originally voting for him, and why did you change it?

Didn't really think it mattered where I put my vote, so just in case it was a good thing, I placed it on Snowy. Honestly, I'm almost entirely convinced these night polls aren't doing anything.

Long Con wrote:I voted for BR to pull Bessie to fix the road. I wanted to vote right away 'cause I ain't missing another poll!!

BR gets it for missing the lynch vote.

Seems like a good reason to me.

So did Chick Hicks decide the result to this then?

Also, why did Tink vote for me?

WTF

Well, not surprised there. RIP Made. I do think the simplest and most accurate possibility is that you are that role.

My eye is even more firmly on DFaraday and Ambray, and to a lesser extent MR, after this lynch.

I honestly have no clue what the sock is going on this game though.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dang it, what if Made and Snowy are bad and they're totally eating this up.

C'mon. It would be outrageously cool if we were. It would be a great play. Alex you are just doubting everything you say.

Sorry, I know I am, this game just has been insane. I've been so incredibly wrong so many times... and my gut still says LC the most, but I think DF makes a more logical vote.

Dang it, what if Made and Snowy are bad and they're totally eating this up.

I'm a bit more nervous now.

Made wrote:The way I see it atm, if DF isn't mafia. (Which I think he is) then MP is and LC isn't. If he is LC is MP isn't and Dom isn't.

I get civvies can have particularly off games, but this would be an alarming amount of civvie lynches you influenced.

Also, has anyone gone through and analysed for a relationship between Ambray and MP? I could be see that being intresting, but I don't have time to look into it myself.

LC, this would be the time to defend DF.

Voting DF for now, I've been pinged by him for a while.

Woah now. I really hope DF is bad, and I'm sure there's a possibility, but why would his flipping civvie make me bad?

Oh, yes, I would agree that's the norm. It depends, of course, but I really think DF's vote for this lynch is REALLY weak.

If anyone else has a chance to look over his posts, I heavily implore you to do so, and let me know what you think. I'm feeling most confident in this currently, but it's still a tough call.

Not only that, but DF has a relationship with both Ambray and LC that will be clarified when he gets lynched -- LC is vouching for DF heavily, and Ambray distanced somewhat sloppily (if so) from DF, and DF hasn't talked about Ambray really at all, but agreed with her earlier and voted Llama due to his vote on Ambray.

I think this makes the most sense today.

I'm switching to DF. Looking over his posts and thinking on it more, I think he might very well be bad. He even said earlier that the back and forth between me and Snowy seemed civ and civ, and he never really thinks Snowy is bad, but he thinks Made is bad?

What do you mean give away?

Interestingly, if you look over DF's posts, you'll notice he agreed with her on Blooper D1, and that he voted for Llama D2 because of Llama's odd vote for Ambray. He also doesn't really talk about Ambray, ever.

And how could a Made lynch give us the most answers if DF is speculating he could very well flip Seemer anyway. We wouldn't know anything until we THEN lynch Snowy, right? Thereby wasting two lynches if they ARE telling the truth?

I don't like that vote either.

Anyone consider that Ambray and DF may be teammates? Ambray's actions have been: (1) Blooper vote, (2) following me on FZ. and Bass, and then... not much else, until saying she suspects DF. Then she elaborates but finds Made more suspicious.

DF has continually voted Made over and over, and I disagree with him that a Made lynch "gives us the most answers".

It's possible Ambray and DF are both baddies hiding behind bandwagony behavior and that Ambray pulled some distancing.

How could any civvie have narrowed down someone's role like that?

Just popping in for a second. Thanks for the replies, MR. It's tough. I suppose Scenario 2 is a possibility... IDK. I just feel 1 is more likely.

And you're right, that's EXACTLY the term I've been looking for regarding LC. Vagueness.

Snow Dog wrote:It's a tough one. Been going back and for on LC. If he's bad he must be chick imo.

Wait... what?

BR said this same thing and explained it was just a "feeling".

Why do you say this?

I'd rather lynch LC though, I think. Sorry for the so many multiple posts.

I need to go work more on studying, so I'll be around sometime later in the evening.

Oops, typo. I meant MR bandwagoned onto FZ. and Rox. He did not bandwagon onto Blooper D1 (he voted for Snowy then).

Honestly, I may vote for Ambray or MR instead of LC. Both of them have practically bandwagoned or voted Snowy/Made every lynch. Not sure yet. Need to hear what others think.

In fact, MR, you've voted for Snow Dog or Made nearly every lynch, and when you haven't, you just bandwagoned (FZ. and Blooper, for example).

Besides, the risk involved in Made and Snowy being civvie BTSCmates but vouching for each other is not necessarily a large enough cost to outweigh the benefit of doing so.

1) Made has been a hot lynch topic for some time, and Snowy only got really aggressive with his vouching when Made was about to be lynched.
2) Note that the baddies might benefit to NOT NKing these two because generally civ BTSC groups don't have any other non-BTSC power (so what harm are they really?)
3) In addition, in a game with a Seemer, as you said, it might additionally benefit the baddies to NOT NK either of them because their vouching always raises the question of Scenario 2. Why NK them when Made can be lynched at any time, especially when we've had 5 straight civvie lynches? Leaves open an "easy" option to fall back on to lynch another civvie, then NK the other one the subsequent night.

I believe Scenario 1 is much more likely re: Snowy and Made, honestly.

Fair enough, MR.

However, if you've yet to feel warmer about LC, Simon, and Made, yet you recognize a possibility for Scenario 1, why are you voting Made and not LC or Simon?

That said, I don't want to lead another civvie lynch, so if someone can convince me I'm wrong about LC and there's a better way to vote, I'm all ears. MR, DF, and Ambray I keep flipping on the possibility of them being bad. I really just can't read most of the players right now and it's frustrating.

fingersplints wrote:I really hate spread out votes. So I will vote for one of the ones already with a vote, but not sure who yet.

Well, out of the players that have votes, I'd feel best about a vote for LC, then probably MR, but that's just me. Curious what you think when you get a chance to delve into it more.

I've had enough tunnel vision this game, but I'm finding it hard to abandon a suspicion of LC because I really don't like the way he was so noncommittal most of the game and has recently come up with a theory about me and Dom -- it just all reads insincere to me. I can't help but think that, even when doubting my read.

Woah, that's odd, it appears I can't change my vote all of a sudden. Huh. Not even sure I want to, honestly... since I still think LC is bad, but I just now noticed that.

fingersplints wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:BR, to pick your brain: What are your thoughts on the player list at the moment? Who do you have reads on and who do you not, and what are the reads you have?

I can't pick out any baddies. Even LC has me questioning myself now. Tink and Simon I don't know to read, they are playful.

I can never fully trust you and Dom. Last time I made the mistake of trusting you I got burned.

I believe Snow Dog and Made are good. I think Splints might be good, but I have nothing to back that up.

I am not opinionated on the rest.

I feel so unopinionated on so many people this game it isn't even funny. I'm supposed to be on break and I find myself in too many games. Should be able to get myself back in this one more tonight I hope

I would love to hear your thoughts because this game is totally throwing me for a loop and we CAN'T lynch another civvie today.

And the votes are currently spread out like crazy. Ugh.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:No, that makes sense, thanks Dom.

What do you make of LC and MR?

apparently it doesn't matter.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What I don't understand, LC, is if your read of me being connected with Dom makes us both bad, why do you put me as less trusted than Dom?

Something smells fishy to me about this LC and Dom stuff. The way Dom has voted BR today seems off to me too, especially when he's been so focused on Made.

I think LC and Dom may both be baddie teammates, know that I'm civvie, so that when they get me lynched, then the connection to Dom will be cleared and LC will can just write off my actions as being suspicious and be surprised that I'm civ.

r u kidding me

What do you mean it doesn't matter? Of course it does.

I'm not kidding you. I don't necessarily believe that to be true, but it's a possibility. Why are you "revenge voting" BR on Day 6 of this game when clearly there's baddie hunting to be done? Your vote smells throwaway, and the fact that you aren't voting Made all of a sudden strikes me as equally odd.

What I don't understand, LC, is if your read of me being connected with Dom makes us both bad, why do you put me as less trusted than Dom?

Something smells fishy to me about this LC and Dom stuff. The way Dom has voted BR today seems off to me too, especially when he's been so focused on Made.

I think LC and Dom may both be baddie teammates, know that I'm civvie, so that when they get me lynched, then the connection to Dom will be cleared and LC will can just write off my actions as being suspicious and be surprised that I'm civ.

Odd that he hasn't been replaced yet, if so. Hmmm.

Anyway, Snowy, what're you thinking?

No, that makes sense, thanks Dom.

What do you make of LC and MR?

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:BR, to pick your brain: What are your thoughts on the player list at the moment? Who do you have reads on and who do you not, and what are the reads you have?

I can't pick out any baddies. Even LC has me questioning myself now. Tink and Simon I don't know to read, they are playful.

I can never fully trust you and Dom. Last time I made the mistake of trusting you I got burned.

I believe Snow Dog and Made are good. I think Splints might be good, but I have nothing to back that up.

I am not opinionated on the rest.

Yeah, I know what you mean. This has been a really tough game.

Well, I get that. I don't ask for your unconditional trust regardless.

Thanks for your thoughts there. I think I agree re: Snowy, Made, and, to a lesser degree, Splints, but haven't seen enough from her new incarnation yet.

Dom wrote:

Black Rock wrote:
Revenge? On me? I don't think that's what you really want.

BR, I'm just gonna lay a vote on ya...



But this may be the game we can finally trust each other..

Does this mean you feel less sure about Made now?