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by Tangrowth
Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:51 pm
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Topic: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:juliets remains, hands down, perhaps the greatest player I've ever seen at seeming like a civilian. I don't understand how she does it.
Uncompromising, unbridled, unrelenting and unnerving consistency.
That's a good description.
If only I could be so consistent. :sigh:

But lynching low posters kept getting me in trouble.

Oh wait, I still get into trouble. Maybe I should go back to lynching low posters.
:haha:

I'll join you on that. :feb:
by Tangrowth
Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:46 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:juliets remains, hands down, perhaps the greatest player I've ever seen at seeming like a civilian. I don't understand how she does it.
Uncompromising, unbridled, unrelenting and unnerving consistency.
That's a good description.
by Tangrowth
Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:34 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

juliets remains, hands down, perhaps the greatest player I've ever seen at seeming like a civilian. I don't understand how she does it.
by Tangrowth
Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:24 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

This is awesome. Idea for a new thread: Post and LC will tell you your Level of Mafia Awesomeness (LMA). :noble:

Note the initials, Llama? :llama:
by Tangrowth
Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:03 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

Long Con wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I was hoping to use that to my advantage at some point and try to get you guys to lynch me. Once I got the kill, I thought I could pull it off.

I tried reverse psychology with the Sabie kill, thinking some people would freak out enough over the idea of me just killing... but it didn't work at all. :haha:
I thought you were trying to ensure trust with everyone by killing Sabie. We were all fed up with non-players hanging about, so using kills on them instead of active folk was sure to meet with universal approval. At least, that's how I saw it.
That is what I was doing, but I was also secretly hoping that some people who weren't trusting me already would start discussing me for a lynch again.

If I really wanted to start some discussion and get lynched, I had an alternate target that was an active civilian, but I was afraid that would appear to be outright trolling.
by Tangrowth
Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:39 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

bea wrote:If it.had.been anyone else but sabie or Sawyer I would have freeked out. As it was, I just kept my freekout to myself. I kept waiting all game for you to double cross us. I know how much you love :Feb:
Dang it. I knew I should have gone with a different target. :p

I kept debating back and forth, but in the end I just couldn't betray my civilian-friendly outlook I had all game.
by Tangrowth
Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:23 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

I was hoping to use that to my advantage at some point and try to get you guys to lynch me. Once I got the kill, I thought I could pull it off.

I tried reverse psychology with the Sabie kill, thinking some people would freak out enough over the idea of me just killing... but it didn't work at all. :haha:
by Tangrowth
Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:16 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

I couldn't die unless my narrator died. :feb:
by Tangrowth
Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:36 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

zeek wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:N8: zeek
Were you informed this failed? At this point I was Marla and unrecruitable.
Oh, really? That would have been nice to know. I thought he said you were recruited, but maybe Epi can confirm or deny.
by Tangrowth
Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:33 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

S~V~S wrote:Who were the freaking recruits??

that is all i want to know, lol
Well, I figured Epi would say, but I can tell you:

N1: tried Daisy, but it failed
N2: reywaS (my true target) and Made (maybe this was N1 redirected? Idk what happened here)
N3: Daisy
N4: N/A (blocked by both Bavmorda and Warden)
N5: Boomslang
N6: S~V~S
N7: bea
N8: zeek
N9: DharmaHelper (it was between him and juliets and I thought juliets seemed more likely Sorcerer at this point... whoops)
N10: Lorab
N11: Long Con
by Tangrowth
Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:24 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

Dom wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I did not think you were his narrator, but i was sure you were a recruit. I was thinking either TH, Timmer or DH were the narrator. People who are good end game players.
This is exactly why we chose to kill Daisy with it. We thought she would be the narrator-- or at least a recruit. MP told us his numbers in the thread, so we just decided that we'd kill to make him lose if we can't win. :p
I would have done the same if I were you. :p
by Tangrowth
Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:16 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

Spacedaisy wrote:Also, I can't believe people couldn't see through the way MP was acting about me. I knew he was trying too hard to make me look like his narrator. And I would have been a most illogical choice for a narrator... I blame him for being killed.

:noble:
:feb:

Seriously, sorry about that. :p
by Tangrowth
Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:38 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

Long Con wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I frankly thought that he intended some degree of possible outing of my role considering that is a mechanism that outs me to entire teams as it is -- both baddie teams already knew who I was...
Imagine if you had chosen to work WITH the baddies at this point... maybe if you had left Bass and Dom alone, they would have both been, like, "This guy's cool!" and who KNOWS? I like to turn baddie when I'm Indy, but I was glad for the opportunity to jump ship this time.
You know, I seriously considered that, but I should have considered it more. :p

Almost everything I said throughout the game was actually NOT a lie, despite some's insistence otherwise, I was curious to see how it would be once to play a completely neutral role as if it was working as much for the civilian cause as possible.

Nonetheless, now I believe I made a total error in judgment; if I had just played along with my knowledge, I could have prevented not only drama, but also outing myself, and made a much more strategically sound move. It's OK, I at least learned from this, but as much as I loved being a civilian-leaning Indy for once, I will admit I'm not convinced I like it more than playing baddie-leaning, because I do generally prefer to play baddie roles myself. :feb:
by Tangrowth
Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:22 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

Also, I must say, excellently played as Gollum, LC.
by Tangrowth
Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:07 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

First off, thank you so much for hosting this game, Epi. I loved it. It was an awesome fucking game and one of the most fun games I've ever played.

DH, you played perhaps the most brilliant baddie game I've ever seen. I'm not exaggerating. Props to you, sir. You were able to argue your way out of anything and make it sound genuine. I'm glad you were able to win this game.

I'm glad I lost this game, honestly. I tried my absolute hardest and sunk so much time into winning, because I still couldn't eliminate my desire to win, but it was certainly fitting and poetic that I lost by just one number. Once I was outed, I definitely had regret, and honestly just wanted the civilians to win, so I tried my hardest to make that possible.

Timmer, I'm glad you were honored. I had narrowed it down to you and a few others, basing it (and also my recruits) on who I thought could last long in the game by both avoiding NKs and talking their way out of lynches. I also knew you've been really active in some games the past year and not as active in others so I was hoping that would work to my advantage. But what really sealed the deal for me is I really wanted you to be it because you rocked the role so much in Fight Club, and I wanted to partner with you here. :noble:

Regarding my decision to infodump, I thought I had considered all the ramifications of it, but in reality I hadn't, and shouldn't have rushed to the decision. I am very, very sorry to Dom. It was unfair. At the time, I had seen the previous cycle where LC said he was silenced by the Warden, and so I thought if other people are saying who silenced them, then why shouldn't I? I went back and forth on the decision SO MUCH because I knew outing myself would be incredibly risky and it would be possible no one would listen to me, but I had asked Epig not just once but multiple times whether my prospective decision was OK and not against the rules. He gave me explicit permission every time, even if he questioned whether I'd want to do it. If he had just said, no, this is clearly role outing, there's no way I would have done it. I frankly thought that he intended some degree of possible outing of my role considering that is a mechanism that outs me to entire teams as it is -- both baddie teams already knew who I was -- and I viewed it more so as you getting caught by the mechanism, and not being outed by me. And I totally blanked that there was a role blocker in this game, so I kept thinking it would be so evident I was the only one silenced, and that people were starting to catch on anyway. As perhaps misguided as that approach was, that's how I thought of it at the time, especially since I had Epi's approval. I realized after I did it that, even though I didn't say "Dom is bad", it was essentially equivalent to that, and so I obviously regret it, and would never do that again. I understand how frustrated you got, and at the time I realize I didn't show the degree of empathy that I should have, and I apologize all around. I shouldn't have ruined your game like that. And so I'm glad I lost, to be honest.

--------------------------------

Now, nonetheless, and this is coming both from a personal level and as an administrator, I realize there was so much rule breaking and outing this game, and I want to make a few points:

1) Role outing is clearly against the rules. It was listed right in Epi's rules as well. I and many others skirted or completely crossed that line this game and I think this game will serve as a huge wake-up call to players -- we should all be playing a fair and clean game here, myself included.

2) Despite 1), bringing one's frustration into the thread the way that some did throughout this game was completely unacceptable. On the one hand people were going on and on about Champion-like behavior, but it is also NOT Champion-like to blatantly disrespect your other players in the thread, which I was on the receiving end of in this game more than once, and I was certainly not the only one. I hope that we can not only very much keep in mind the no outing rule in the future but also this. There is both the host and the Mod on Duty for dumping emotionally, even when one feels a rule has been broken, and I feel a lot of the derailing that happened this game, although it was triggered by people who skirting breaking the rules or blatantly broke the rules, was furthered by people derailing emotionally in the thread in response. It certainly didn't help the situation.

3) Although role outing was clearly against Epi's rules, not only did players break it, but Epi didn't enforce punishment upon those who broke it. I understand why he didn't, since modkilling breaks the integrity of the game, and absolutely no disrespect to Epi as he could not have anticipated all the outing that occurred, but it was made clear in this game that this needs to be addressed by hosts as well as players. Hosts need to better consider their game design with respect to prospective role outing as well as disciplinary procedures to address players breaking the rules, particularly role outing.

That's all I have to say about the matter.

In addition, as Llama hinted, there will be very shortly implemented and explained a new site mechanism the administration and moderation team has designed to combat the issue of non-participation.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:28 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 12]

Votes DH

That confirmed everything to me. It can't possibly be anyone else.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:27 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Day 12]

Yep, it's DH. We gotta lynch him.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:09 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

On that note, I do wonder if Epi has something planned to deal with any inactives or BLATANT infodumpers in terms of winning, but I suppose that's totally his decision, and certainly not an easy one to contemplate. If I should be denied victory because I outed myself, so be it, but I'm still going to try my best to win this thing because other than that misstep I think I've actually done a pretty good job playing this role.

VERY curious to see if my targets get redirected.

And speaking of inactives, when's the last time anyone saw Lizzy or Lorab, either here or on the site in general? I'd be curious to that question as well.

Be back later!
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:06 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

timmer wrote:It leaves absent played mp. And I agree, DH there is a lack of subtlety in this game part of which I saw sadly party of.
I agree, Lizzy and Lorab are likely candidates. reywaS seems pretty doubtful though.

And I agree, I think many of us have been less subtle, myself included, than we should have been. It's OK, just certainly something to keep in mind for the future, and something I'm sure will get discussion at endgame.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:05 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

zeek wrote:Hmm, very good point. I suppose looking at the timings of the inactives' posts will need to be investigated. I'll re-read Boom and see how clear cut the vouching was but your point is sound.
Yes, please do, curious what you find. I would go look myself but I'm multitasking (and shouldn't even be here). :p

I think I would most lean towards Lizzy being bad, since I remember her popping in twice. Lorab popped in the thread once too, so both are possible.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:03 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

DharmaHelper wrote:Can we go 24 hours without blatant infodumping and role outting? Please? Fucks sake.
I apologize if that was directed at me, but I don't want to ignore what's already happened and should be considered, even if I don't agree with making statements as blatant as were made.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:58 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

zeek wrote:When we voted for our Doctor, potentially gaining BTSC with them, Roxy was the only one who piped up and said she wouldn't under any circumstance accept BTSC from anyone. Going so far as to say she doesn't think the Doctor's secrets had anything to do with regeneration or something. I don't doubt Roxy is the Ghost or that Roxy was the Doctor. I'm not lynching the Ghost tomorrow.

I'm not lynching timmer, S~V~S, Elo, bea, Long Con or MP tomorrow, and I'd rather not lynch DH. He will be getting a reread along with everyone else left. But I don't believe the inactives are likely Crowley. I don't think any of them popped back in around Crowley's kill but I'll have to double check.

Well done on Gandalf, timmer :P
See, here's the problem I'm having.

Boomslang, if you believe him to be Face of Boe, vouched for LC, Daisy, and juliets all being civilian. If you take that as face value, who does that even leave left when combined with your list above?

DH. That's literally it.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:22 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

DharmaHelper wrote:The game WOULD be over if Boom was the last sorcerer and he was lynched, but you forget we just rezzed someone we don't even know.

"Who is Dead" I assume meant Dr. Who is Dead, which on its face makes it likely we've rezzed the Doctor. (Shut up, you already as much as said it.)

BUT

Both baddie teams have dead role checkers. It would be easy for a baddie to claim a dead role in the hopes of getting rezzed.
Does this mean you believe The Ghost is the last Sorcerer? That doesn't line up with the kill on N8, however.

Be back later tonight, folks.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:20 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

Long Con wrote:Yikes, great point about the redirect. Basically, the Sorcerer will be killing tonight. I wonder if Crowley will be sympathetic to your win condition, and try to recruit someone to help you?

Who would you LIKE to recruit tonight?
Well, I wonder if a redirect of my power would redirect both powers or just one or the other.

I definitely wouldn't want them to be the same target.

I could mention the recruit, but... I already sent in my recruit and kill, so I suppose I'll just find out whether one or they both get switched.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:56 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

I suppose we'll see if my kill and recruit get redirected tonight, considering Crowley is a redirector.

Even if they are redirected and that points to an active player, it'll screw me out of winning if we lynch a bad guy tomorrow.

So it'll be very interesting to see what happens.

I will admit it is odd: If DH were a Sorcerer, to specifically miss the last kill... it's not like it really prolongs his death. We can obviously consider that he could be setting them up, so it seems like a silly plan. And how many inactives are there left, really? Lizzy, Lorab, and reywaS? Doesn't seem worth it.

There are just things that don't add up about DH's behavior; my gut says he's bad. But I'd be willing to consider other options.
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:53 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

:ponder:

Good points have been made.

Could it possibly be Lizzy, folks? She did pop in at some point, was it around the time Crowley killed?
by Tangrowth
Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:55 am
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:The more I think about it, though, the more that DH being the last Sorcerer explains his behavior throughout the entire game so much.
In what ways.
That's a good question!

- Your opportunistic push of Made, whether or not you actually believed he was lying, does not conflict with your baddieness if you are Sorcerer (since he wasn't).

- Perhaps most notably, your suspicion of the Llama voters, and particularly Bass, gradually fell off your radar as the Dom/Bass lynch occurred, and you gradually shifted suspicion onto Dom, who you had not mentioned at all previously. I know you're not well known for throwing teammates under the bus, so this was a genius move.

- How you knew from the beginning that S~V~S wasn't Voldemort. Makes the most sense for you to defend her as "confirmed civ" this whole time; why would a baddie cast doubt on that if they ran the risk of being wrong, especially when S~V~S had some serious heat on her for a bit?

- Your genius distancing move of Snowy; as the tension built up on him, figuring he was eventually a goner, you made sure you were one of the first five or so to really throw your gauntlet behind his lynch.

- Most notably, your push of the Boomslang lynch, where suddenly within the previous cycle or so you started hinting at FoB, subtly, to try anything you could to prolong your survival -- this is most damning coupled with the facts that timmer pointed out, that dead players retained BTSC with their teammates, and that there was a huge push to convince players that there was a Seemer role, when otherwise there was no evidence of the sort. It's the kind of hail mary move that makes so much sense for a baddie team to make at this stage of the game where victory seems unlikely.

There's more, but those are the main points.

Like I said, brilliant game. I wish you could win, honestly.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:57 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

The more I think about it, though, the more that DH being the last Sorcerer explains his behavior throughout the entire game so much.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:53 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

I will admit, if you are that last Sorcerer, which I'm pretty sure you are, you've played a brilliant fucking game. Almost lynched on D1 and to make it to endgame? Lie your way out of so many lynches and possible ties to teammates?

Brilliant.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:52 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:But it wont end the game is what I'm saying. Doofus, I'm not the last sorcerer.
Well, if you're right, that's true. Who is it then?
How would I know? :P
I don't know. :p
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:51 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

DharmaHelper wrote:But it wont end the game is what I'm saying. Doofus, I'm not the last sorcerer.
Well, if you're right, that's true. Who is it then?
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:50 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

DharmaHelper wrote:Why would you sacrifice recruits in place of non recruits? Scrub.
If I can still win with the civilians by ending the game and lynching you, why wouldn't I? Why prolong it unnecessarily?
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:49 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

Okay, scratch that, I'm good. So long as my recruit and kill are both successful, anyway, otherwise I can't win.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:47 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:HOST: Does the Ghost count as a player/non-recruit for the purposes of my win condition?
Yes.
Well, shit.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:43 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

Long Con wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:If the answer to that is No, I'm pretty sure I can win even if we lynch a recruit tomorrow.

DH is my recruit, but I'm pretty sure he's the last Sorcerer, folks.
Missed this quote. You killing tonight?
I probably have to, sadly, because of the Boomslang lynch, and losing DH tomorrow.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:43 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

Long Con wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:HOST: Does the Ghost count as a player/non-recruit for the purposes of my win condition?
MovingPictures07: Is your win in jeopardy at this point?
Only if the answer to that question is Yes. Even then, it still might work out for me.

All the more reason I'm willing to sacrifice another recruit with DH because I'm pretty sure lynching him will end the game.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:39 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

bea wrote:I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with the boom quotes socky. Please esplainy to me. :)
S~V~S said just now that Boom said she was bad.

He may have earlier, but he clearly changed his mind by D9, and reinforced that he was wrong about her on D10.

AKA Boom was indeed Face of Boe. He is right about S~V~S, LC, Daisy, and juliets, and he was onto Mongoose and DH before he died. Why anyone thinks he's a Seemer is beyond my comprehension. It is that simple.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:37 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

If the answer to that is No, I'm pretty sure I can win even if we lynch a recruit tomorrow.

DH is my recruit, but I'm pretty sure he's the last Sorcerer, folks.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:33 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

HOST: Does the Ghost count as a player/non-recruit for the purposes of my win condition?
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:26 pm
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Re: The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [Night 11]

Well, that wasn't surprising.




S~V~S wrote:Boom also said i was bad.
Boomslang wrote:On further review of the evidence, I've come around to the SVS as civ conclusion; I apologize for not getting there more quickly. In terms of the other candidates, I know I'm not a Sorcerer, and I'm getting good vibes on a reread of Blooper, especially in the baddie hunt for Made.

This post of Mongoose's caught my eye:
Mongoose wrote:
zeek wrote:Btw if he flips Sorceror, Mongoose is totally the other one.
I wish. But I was not blessed to be born with a wand.
Which could either be just poetic or a well-worded attempt to avoid making a statement checkable by Face of Boe.
Boomslang wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:1) Dom and Boomslang have several exchanges starting at D1 despite Dom voting for MetalMarsh and Boomslang voting for me. Despite their exchanges, Dom's vote for Boomslang never really mattered

He voted 16th overall (including host option) in the Day 1 lynch, giving Boom 3 votes when I'd already gotten 5 and MM had 3. Shortly thereafter, Boom voted for MM along with Eloh giving MM 7, pretty much knocking Boom out of the running

The only other time Dom voted for Boom, he voted late again (15th overall) and was one of only two people to do so.

2) Boomslang has made at least two posts that pinged me:
Boomslang wrote:I really am having trouble figuring out what to say this lynch. Obviously, I'm somewhat happy that Dom is getting attention, because I sure as hell don't deserve the tunnel vision hunt he's been throwing my way ever since Day 1. But jumping on that will make me seem bad, so... maybe I better keep my opinions to myself.
And
Boomslang wrote:Caught up, frankly still unsure what's going on. Just let it be noted that Dom has been gunning for me this whole game; I think that burnishes my civvie cred a bit.
The first seems odd, because why would a civ care if they sounded bad if they genuinely thought what they were saying was true?? The second is classic distancing.

3) Boomslang's noncommital votes, as I stated, bug me.

So yeah I can see Boomslang being a Sorcerer.
You're continuing to make a case against me based on these points, so I'm going to address them again.

First, I'm insulted by "Dom's vote for Boomslang never really mattered," because obviously it did. It basically has kept me in the discussion as a lynch candidate for this entire game, despite the evidence I have presented to the contrary. Votes matter, even when they don't agree with the majority, and saying otherwise is flippant and facetious and frankly a bit strong-arming. The same argument applies to point 3. My votes were not "noncommittal." They were committed to my viewpoints at the time, and you saying that they did not matter or contribute to your perceived civ bandwagon is a blatant privileging of your high-horse viewpoint. MP in particular was and continues to be a dangerous role, and I wanted to indicate that we should think about getting him out of the way. I was incorrect in my vote for SVS, but I based that off of the information I had available at the time. Regarding point 2, I've said it before and I've said it again: I'm trying to be as clear with my motives and information as possible. I figured that talking out the way my statements might be perceived would help defuse tensions before they arose, because not all of us can get away with holding hostage whatever "information" we might have.

Lynching me is a grave mistake, and if I end up dead, I hope you all remember who lead you down this road.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:06 pm
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Sorry, Ghost! But I do think you're clearly on our side here and I didn't have anything to add to what you already said. :)
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:31 pm
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Long Con wrote:If Boomslang hadn't said he trusts me, would you guys be thinking about lynching me?
No, not really. My stunt earlier was just because of the possible reveal of Russ and DH being civilian (and me not wanting to lose either of them), and me thinking you could be Hatter. :p
by Tangrowth
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I'll entertain the possibility that DH is being truthful, but I just can't see how most of his behavior this game hasn't just been upright incredibly manipulative (it's been brilliant play, nonetheless).

If DH isn't the second Sorcerer remaining, who is it?
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:47 am
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That said, I'm sincerely very sorry for every bit of frustration I've caused other players this game.
by Tangrowth
Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:43 am
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DharmaHelper wrote:
timmer wrote:Whatever happens in the game from here on out, I really don't care. I should have stayed retired.
Me too.
I know there are many reasons to be frustrated this game, but I hope to god neither of these end up being true.
by Tangrowth
Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:36 pm
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DharmaHelper wrote:This game was disgusting and I feel terrible for having participated in what was supposed to be a showcase of champions, but turned into a game of "Guess who I am wink wink nudge nudge giant fucking neon sign"

I don't see the case on Mongoose but if it will end my suffering through another 48 hours of this horrid shit, I'll go ahead and vote for her now.
I'm not saying I agree with the methods employed by some either, but what do you propose: we lynch them?

You vote for who you want. I believe it has been said time and time again why Mongoose is bad, and it's obvious she hasn't even tried to act civilian all game.
by Tangrowth
Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:20 pm
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Lol, nice try Mongoose and DH.

Votes Mongoose



Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I can mentally visualize several people rolling their eyes whenever I post...
That never happens to my eyes when I read your posts. :noble:
S~V~S, I can assure you I always appreciate your opinion. I don't think you should ever shut up or feel like you should. I am sorry if I upset you. I just suppose we aren't seeing eye to eye at all because I completely see how Boomslang was Face of Boe, and I don't understand how someone couldn't -- but that's just my perspective.
by Tangrowth
Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:33 pm
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timmer wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote: I've already explained *TWICE* how Dom's votes for Boomslang were meaningless throwaway votes. At no point was Boomslang in any danger as a result of Doms vote. Whereas I actively contributed to the lynch of TWO SORCERERS WITH MY VOTE
Sorry, DH. Again, there are lynches all OVER this game where baddies voted for their teammates at crazy moments. I've never actually seen anything like it.

You are suggesting that the sorcerers had a way to make one of them be a seemer, and that Boomslang knew this back on Day 2 or 3 when he started suggesting that people were civs here and there, and that he has coasted quietly along, dropping little hints about being Face of Boe, all the while not even knowing if the real one was alive or dead (since you are saying it is you?)? And that somehow you saw through this, lynched Boomslang, who is listed as Face of Boe, but fuck it all, we should just believe you.

No.

Much more likely? Boomslang was Face of Boe, you got him lynched, you are bad.

Either way, I'm going with Mongoose tomorrow, but why the FUCK should I believe you? I know of no reason to believe that Voldemort or anyone else had a magic potion as part of their secrets. This is Parchment-level bullshit, and you are using the game's issues with info-dropping to pseudo-FAKE-info-drop.

again... no.

Try to convince the others, I know where the truth lays, and it isn't with you.
As the creator of said parchment, you hit the nail right on the head.
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That said, I didn't mean to come across as demanding, but for god's sake I just don't get your viewpoint at all, S~V~S. You do what you want, but frankly I'm all for a Mongoose lynch tomorrow.

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