The Syndicate

Bullzeye wrote:

juliets wrote:I haven't felt good about Liz since I hounded her about answering Epi and TH's cases about her and she still didn't. I finally gave up. But that does bring up a point - if Epi brought a case against Liz doesn't that rule them out of being on the same team? Or do you think Epi would try to distance himself by bringing a case and potentially telling Liz to just ignore it.

I don't know actually. I've only been bad with Epi once that I can remember and he distanced from us by killing off three of our team in one night. Granted, those circumstances were vastly different. I'm not sure of his attitude to distancing but anything is possible really.

A man chooses, a slave obeys.

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace DP. I am sorry to lose you and also genuinely confused as to why you were targeted.

Hey MM, do you believe me now that I've got your bottle?

Like the time I ran away
Turned around and you were standing close to me

Wish the sun to stand still
Reaching out to touch our own being
Past a mortal as we, here we can be

Metalmarsh89 wrote:So just waiting on rabbit and Long Con to vote.

2 smash coins says each of them votes for the other.

Awesome. I've been making "smash point" bets (that are obviously fake) all the time with Daisy IRL; it's driving her nuts. :P

Vompatti wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I can't believe Kanye West sampled King Crimson!

I would sample King Crimson if I wrote music.

If more people sampled King Crimson the world would be a better place.

S~V~S wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Dom knows how I feel about distancing.

I don't

Hate it and seldom do it. In WWE MP hard distanced from me, and our BTS got ugly. Some flaming PMs went back and forth. MP and I can both have tempers. We wound up winning in large part duevtobthat distancing, but I still don't like it. Bass knows this to be true, too.

Dom, I have no idea WTF you're talking about. This will be my last post. I'm not fucking bad and I should have never even played this game.

I did NOT read the thread. I read up through like most of Day 1. Then I read the two most recent pages or so as I was talking with you and MM last night. That's what I was referring to. I have nothing else to base my game off of than what I read up until most of Day 1 where I stopped and then what little I read last night. I was saying that your attempts to engage me in discussion did not strike me as genuine as MM. That's it. It's an opinion probably worth next to nothing, but it's my opinion. I also said I thought Zomba could be the Millionaire and that I wasn't sure I bought LC's one post but you kept stifling my posts, even though you said you'd be around to discuss.

Thanks, Splints. I'm really sorry for being such a shitty player this game. It's everything I never want to be.

I agree, Canuck, and I realize I've been ridiculously drama-y this game and a terrible example for the site. I apologize for doing so. And I apologize for not getting invested properly. And I apologize for wasting everyone's time. I really do. But people are expecting crap from me and I made every effort to actually discuss this game and every attempt I made was stifled last night and honestly reading what I did last night while I was catching up, MM seemed way more genuine to me than TH, so it does feed into my only thoughts I have this game. I'm not intending to start anything with anyone. I'm leaving this game anyway.

I'd be totally receptive to starting my catch up at a later place, but I have more homework to do, and I just don't feel like playing, so sorry for wasting all of your time and everyone else's. It's apparent I just really can't play mafia right now. Hopefully Llama can find a replacement soon.

Fair enough, TH, sorry for being rude. I just tried my absolute best last night but this game is full of super intense and aggressive back and forths, and I got super tired, and I just haven't had the time or motivation. I made my best effort last night, but especially after Death Note I had no idea this game was going to be almost 1,500 posts on Day 2 when I signed up. It's just too much.

By just saying "oh we already talked about that keep reading"

I'm sick of your pissy attitude, TH, I made every effort to get into this game last night and you stifled every attempt I made at discussion even though I'm absolutely not invested in this game at all.

And I JUST SAID I didn't read the relevant parts of the thread. Sigh. I'm out. I really can't handle the debate.

I did ask to be replaced. I just said that.

EBWOP: I should say 10 Smash Points.

10 bucks that Zomba really is the Millionaire.

Mafia is 99% of the time super fun for me, but right now it's only incredibly aggravating and not fun at all. I've got a million other things in my life right now too, so even though I took a few days away from the game and had every intention of getting into the game for a solid few hours last night, it just pissed me off and I felt like I was wasting my time. I'm 0% invested in this game.

I still haven't read anything, and it's clear I'm not going to have time before the deadline. Sorry for being a fail this game, guys.

I'm voting TH because it doesn't seem to matter at this point and MM was striking me as genuine in the posts I read from him last night.

Linki w/ Zomba: Just don't compare my playstyle this game with any other game. I'm not bad. I just don't really give two craps about this game right now, which is not Llama's fault or anyone else's fault. I'm totally and seriously burnt out on mafia, and I thought tending to other things for a few days would help it, but it hasn't at all. I've asked to be replaced again, but seeing as though Llama has already had to replace three people this soon, I feel terrible doing so, so I might just stick it out for a bit. I don't know. I just honestly have no desire to play mafia right now, and that I just don't have the extra time to do so, especially in such an intense game.

Honestly, the sentiment you just expressed pings the crap out of me, like you're using me as an opportunistic target for an easy suspicion.

I thought my desire to play a mafia game would return after a sufficient break of time, but it really hasn't. I'll try again tomorrow I guess, but I have homework I need to get done in the morning and afternoon, and this poll ends at an inconvenient time for me.

Give me whatever face you want, TH, but I just have gained nothing from what reading I have done, and I have absolutely no motivation to continue reading tonight, probably mostly because I'm tired AF.

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I just don't understand why so many people aggressively pursued each other, and yet the Day 1 votes were basically: BF, BF, BF, BF, BF, MM, BF, BF, etc.

I honestly may just randomly vote for a D1 BF voter.

Well, sorry, but I didn't want to build ONE gigantic post that I knew people would ignore anyway; I'm just trying to play differently.

So... you're not even going to try to comprehend the things that are being discussed today? The things you haven't read?

I don't think I'm going to even make it tonight; I'm incredibly tired. If I get to it tomorrow, great, but otherwise I don't really know what to do at this point.

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.

What are you talking about?

I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.

Just keep reading dude, things get interesting soon. Stop posting random shit you find along the way though, we've all seen it already, just read and absorb :P

I just don't understand why so many people aggressively pursued each other, and yet the Day 1 votes were basically: BF, BF, BF, BF, BF, MM, BF, BF, etc.

I honestly may just randomly vote for a D1 BF voter.

Well, sorry, but I didn't want to build ONE gigantic post that I knew people would ignore anyway; I'm just trying to play differently.

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.

What are you talking about?

I thought catching up on the thread all at once would be most efficient and illuminating, but so far I've just read Day 0 banter, BF's will thing, then stuff I had already read previously, and then a bunch of back and forth among tons of people during Day 1 and none of it is really making any impression on me or sticking whatsoever.

I'm seriously gaining nothing by this.

Thanks, TH. I just was remembering that first post and then saw her vote post and was confused. I'll go back and look at her posts later.

Ugh, all of these posts are just blurring together.

Thanks, MM. To be clear, I don't actually suspect S~V~S right now (I honestly don't know what to think yet), but I can't help but be pinged by something she says practically every game. :P

DFaraday wrote:Ugh, all this BF/Golden/SVS/Bullz/Zomberella/Whoever Else stuff is mind boggling. As it stands to me though, I think BF was probably an overexcited civ who made a bad decision. I don't think a baddie would create such a spectacle around themselves. I don't really see anyone in this conflict as particularly suspicious, just a whole lot of butting heads.

I do think it was a bit odd for Dom to specifically point out "us", but not enough to find him actively suspicious.

What I'm most concerned about is that so any people have already voted with so much time left in the lynch. I'm thinking at least one or two of the voters are trying to avoid responsibility, either by self voting or by jumping on the BF bandwagon.

EBWOP: MM, I don't think anyone is picking on you, since it is noteworthy when people vote for themselves. But since you do this a lot, I'm less inclined to think you bad for it here.

I agree most with this post re: Day 1.

Long Con wrote:Ok, so I had a plan here. My plan was to try and bolster the BF suspicion a little in order to make it seem like a BF lynch is a possibility. The next step was to watch and see who voted FIRST for BF, my logic being that IF BF has an item that could identify a baddie, the baddies would want to get a hold of it. Even if it's not pointing to The Millionaire, the baddies might want to grab it just because they aren't sure.

So S~V~S has voted for BF now, and she has been one of BF's biggest detractors all along. I'm not so sure if this plan of mine is credible, but I wanted to share it anyways.

In the beginning, I was "after" BF just for the plan, but now I'm actually suspicious of him. And if he's a baddie, then S~V~S deserves no suspicion for being the first voter.

I was feeling the Dom vote, but actually his explanation (that he saw juliets as buddying up to Civs with the "us" comment) makes sense to me.

My other likely vote then, is Metalmarsh, for his self-vote. Still deciding between him and BF right now.

Do people actually believe this?

So I'm trying to be super open-minded about S~V~S, knowing that I consistently read her wrong ALWAYS, but why did she say she wasn't going to vote for BF on Day 1 and then did anyway?

This is getting boring.

LizKeen wrote:

Mongoose wrote:I have no idea how to read all these new (and "new") people. I'll just assume you are all good. Seems legit.

Can't say I'll necessarily do the same but I appreciate the vote of confidence.

What do people think of this exchange?

Alright, as I catch up from the very beginning of the thread, I'll post my thoughts. I also warn all of you that many of these thoughts may be redundant by the time I reach the end. Hopefully not. But I'm sure they inevitably will be. :P

Regarding Day 0... I don't see much has really come of this, that is, until BF's will revelation. I don't really have any thoughts on this, since I don't think his approach told anything regarding his alignment, and since I had read this in my previous (v1.0 "Unrest" Sockface) incarnation.

That said, what do people think about BF's theory being correct? Could Zomba really be the Millionaire? If so, posts like this:

S~V~S wrote:It kinda is unfair IMO if it something you cantvdefend against. Like info gained from an item.

Could be seen as trying to direct the thread away from that direction. Tough to discern whether they were that or just genuine thoughts on the matter, but it is interesting to note that S~V~S was the first to really shift suspicion onto BF thereafter, here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p127395

Of course, that's cart before horse, and I'm not sure Llama would out the Millionaire like that. Honestly, my first instinct was that he would not do such a thing, but upon rereading, I can see how he would totally do just that.

You know what? I'm definitely trying a new approach this game. I think I might already know who I'm going to vote for. Not sold yet though, and I'd rather fully catch up.

Instead of saving all my thoughts for one big long post, I'm going to break up my thoughts, and post them periodically.

I am going to need some more coffee.

Okay, time to commence Operation HSK Thread Catchup.

Is anyone going to be around? This could take a while...

Actually, it would be super awesome if someone was around in a couple of hours after I eat and do some more homework, so that I have someone to talk to as I'm catching up!

Hey guys! Sorry I haven't been here. Smashfest has taken up more time than expected, and I'm trying to get ahead on homework since I'll be going to Houston the latter part of this week.

My goal is to start reading this behemoth of a thread tonight, and hopefully read the whole thing...

But we'll see if I can actually accomplish that. :P

Dang, I missed the poll! Sorry folks, I haven't been around at all between spending free time with Daisy (before she leaves for Houston again tonight), Smashfest, and wrapping up Roger Rabbit (and obviously, PhD stuff as well)! I'll be back at some point tonight or tomorrow night to start my proper catch up and accumulate my thoughts on what has happened starting with the very beginning.

thellama73 wrote:MP, you are a LegEnd.

Thank you, Llama, you are truly a gentleman and a scholar.

Hello, everyone. Just popping in to give an update.

I realize I could definitely use a mafia break right now (I've been playing games constantly for almost the past year, at least one game at a time, as well as hosting in addition to playing). My RL situation over the past year has also been very busy, but mafia has served as a way to keep my brain engaged, and I've seen it as a way to help me relax. But obviously it is emotionally and mentally draining itself. That said, I have thought about this, and I have made my final decision to stick it out and play this game. I've signed up for this game, and I feel I should stick to that commitment.

However, I am still completely drained in every regard, and will have a busy weekend. So I'm not sure when you'll see much of me just yet, and I'm going to try to play this game from scratch.

Consequently, when I do come back in here, I'm going to read the thread from the very beginning, and just restart mentally and emotionally, as if I haven't yet played this game, and am thus replacing myself, if that makes sense. This probably sounds stupid, but it's important to me that is how I'm going to be approaching the rest of this game, just from a perspective standpoint.

In addition, I will be trying to take more of a backseat this game, as I've mulled over it and considering my current RL situation as well as trying to approach mafia in a way that most benefits me and my alignment from a meta standpoint, I feel it will benefit me to take more of a backseat, posting more occasionally, at least for a while. That way I'm less apt to post impulsively and from an emotional perspective, which will avoid outbursts as well as rash judgments on and railroading of certain players. I've been trying to do this in other games ever since the Disney Cars debacle, but I've only accomplished it with very limited success, and the realization that it has become passe was just too much for me to handle. I feel that taking a step back and trying to specifically approach this game, from scratch, in a new manner will help me not only hopefully hone my contribution more effectively, but also increase my enjoyment.

I'm even sporting a new sock to metaphorically represent this (but I really just kind of wanted a change).

So please vote for MovingPictures07 (v1.0) if you feel my actions have most warranted suspicion. But I am not going to address any concerns regarding my previous behavior, so apologies for any inconvenience in that regard. I feel I have already said all I want to say about that, and then some.

I'm really incredibly sorry for the impact that I've had on this game. Truly disgraceful. I need to mull over my decision making process, but I either will be getting replaced or won't be back into the game until at least Night 1. I hope all of you understand.

I haven't read most of the posts that have been made since my recent derailing, but I feel I just need to explain where I'm at right now. I'm incredibly sorry to the host and to my fellow players. I hate the idea of derailing games, and I know that I have done that this game. I've really messed up.

I know, especially as the site administrator, that I should have vented any frustration or feelings to the Mod on Duty and not to the thread. I know that I should have counted 10 before posting almost every single one of my posts this game. I am perhaps my own worst critic, so I cringe at the idea of re-reading most of the posts I've made this game. I just want to sincerely apologize to everyone.

I feel as though the following portion of my exposition is OT, hence it is green, although it inevitably relates to the game at hand and my participation and post content in it.

That said, I'm feeling insanely emotionally overtaxed at the moment, and as much as I would love to play this amazing game that Llama has set up for us, I am quickly recognizing that spending my free time playing a game where I argue with people perhaps isn't the best way for me to unwind right now, given I just hosted an immensely satisfying yet immensely emotionally and mentally taxing game (Death Note), that I've been playing other game(s) while doing so, I'm hosting Smashfest, Annie just left for Houston on Monday, and all of my PhD work. I'm not saying this to complain or say that I'm too busy to play, but I realize sometimes it's too late for me to admit to myself that I've overloaded my mental and emotional capacity, and I feel as though it may be best for me to respectfully bow out at this time. Not due to any particular player or because I'm giving up, but because I realize that I just cannot handle playing a game from the start where the very object of that game is argument and deception.

Consequently, I'm currently mulling over my current situation, but it's very likely that I will be replaced. Not because I can't "take the heat", but because I need to take a step back in my life right now, and I don't want to ruin a game for my host or fellow players just because I was silly enough to overload my current life plate.

I'm asking to be replaced.

This is so stupid. I'm the only person on this site that's not allowed to be upset for something and then it's OK to insult me in thread. If I explode, it's passe. But if Dom blows up on me and goes after me ridiculously game after game, it's not?

Bullshit.

This is getting personal and I don't like it.

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Juliets. I was suspicious of BF before the info thing. Personally I doubt he knows the ID of the millionaire unless it is his teammate. I think maybe he's trying to bait the item stealers, one of whom is a civ and one an Indy.

I thought he was suspish before any of that. The excessive buddying plus the refusal to mention just who had pinged him until day started even though there were no night powers in play.

His whole general presentation has felt bad to me pretty much from the get go.

I have to reread what MP said when not on phone. His outrage and indignation at being suspected is becoming kinds passe, he does it every game it seems to me, good or bad.

This is how I've been reading MP as well. It's like no one's allowed to question anything anymore. I asked MP to reconcile two opposing statements and he exploded. Honestly, that's getting old.


TBH I'm not sure how I'm feeling about Blindfaeth. Half of me thinks he's bad, and the other half wants to give him the BTOD.
Bullz, I'm feeling good about right now.

I never said no one's allowed to question anything. I was fine with the questioning. But the suspicion that I "have BTSC" and the explanation for that is SO ABSURD. UGH, whatever.

I'm gone. See you folks in a LONG time.

You know, the way certain other players are acting every game is getting passe too but I never say that to them. I'm insulted, frankly.

exhausting*

But before I do that, I need to actually relax and get some me-time first that isn't emotionally or mentally exhausted, so be back in a few hours (or earlier if my brain gets bored relaxing, which it usually does). :P

OK, so I hadn't yet had time to get myself really into the feel of this game, and I'm not going to let how I've reacted thus far to get in the way of a perfectly good opportunity to procrastinate PhD work.

I'm going to go back and try to more thoroughly read the major events that have transpired and see if I can actually gather some thoughts on them. As I was swiftly reading to catch up last night, nothing struck me.

Vompatti wrote:MP is a confirmed civ.

Thanks for recognizing that, Vomps.

:P