The Syndicate

Nice! I had a feeling about Daisy. Our N1 kill was down to between juliets and Daisy. I'm so glad we didn't go with Daisy. I just felt like you were communicating to me in the thread that we were on the same side. Maybe I read too much into your posts, but either way it worked.


I knew that killing 3J and allowing myself to be lynched was a risk, but I thought there was a good chance it would be worth it in the end.


That was a fun reintroduction to mafia. Sorry to juliets for putting you out of the game, and for the Mongoose mislynch day 1.


Got some crazy good gut readers out there, but if I play again (if I can find the time) I will take the lessons learned here with me, that's for sure!


Linki~

Go forth and conquer, my lovelies!


Sorry to my team and my hostess for not having the time I would have liked to really sink my teeth into this game. It was fun anyway, thank you dunya!

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:41 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:24 pm Heck yeah! Sometimes gut feelings are real.

What gut feelings do you have emerging from this flip?

Indi bad mata bad mac indie

Your gut is wrong on this one, I'm not.

That was a great result, but I am not bad and I have no connection to Owner, other than both of us signing up for and playing this game.

I am so sorry Dunya and all!!!

I got called in to do my normal Thursday shift caring for my grandmother earlier than normal. I tried to do some reading on my phone, but it was impossible so I gave up.

I will try to catch up on the thread now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:51 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:49 pm Why am I scared of juliets?

She asked you some questions in a pointed, accusatory manner. You answered her, but she didn't get around to revisiting the matter. Without that, the threat she posed to you was not assuaged, and thus you are shook. U shook m8.

I'm not shook. (Oh geez, I can barely even say that - it's so... millenial *shudders*) Questions are expected in a mafia game. I don't have anything to hide, and although I'm certain my re-entry has been clunky, I'm not bad. I didn't even find juliets' questions to be particularly memorable (no offense meant to juliets, who I do find quite memorable). I had to go back and find them to even jog my memory.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:44 pm indiglo be scared of juliets

reywaS be scared of juliets

MacDougall, Owner, and Spacedaisy be scared of juliets

Why am I scared of juliets?

This salad is pretty much the BEST salad I've ever eaten. That's that.

Just re-reading Rey, and I can't make heads or tails of it. He seems to be normal Rey, which gives me no idea as to his alignment. So, yeah. Helpful!

On to the next.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:53 pm Y'all, after playing so hard in my previous two games, I am chugging through this one on low energy. Even still I am dominating the post counts.

You can't let me give the most effort. Don't let a man be in charge of a game 75% populated by women and hosted by a woman.

So, 2 options here:

1 - We listen to you, and start posting 3,000 x a day, thereby allowing you - an alleged man - to be in charge of us.
2 - We post however much we want, thereby not allowing you to be in charge of us, while you continue to complain.

I see what you did there.



Laundry's done, working on getting some lunch, so I'm going to come on, do some reading - then stew on it a bit while I complete other chores.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:27 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:17 amWith the Mongoose vote, I'm generally more suspicious of the later votes. Unless the earlier voters are strong players, who tend to push people a lot as scum, but with this crowd, I'm flying without meta.

Also, are the votes actually in order has this site's polling mixed it up?

I have the votes at Mac then Jay then indigo then daisy was that the correct order or did it get mixed up?

The poll order isn't the same as the chronological order. I believe the Mongoose votes went in this order: indiglo ==> Mac ==> JJJ ==> Spacedaisy

I remembered reading this while putting laundry in the dryer. You guys were talking about vote orders. As far as I know, I cast the first vote for Mongoose. I can go back and double check in the thread, but I don't know if everyone here always posts their votes. At any rate, when I decided to vote Mongoose, at the time I was unaware of any other votes for her.

I don't know if that helps, but information is always good.

Back to the laundry!

I'm going to take a little break, as my butt cheeks have now gone numb. Also my washer and dryer just stopped, so I need to deal with laundry.

Never fear, I shall return! I think I feel myself getting my feet back under me, just a touch. (Probably just jinxed myself lol)


Linki w/3J - those are good questions. Look forward to reading the answers.

Linki~ posting, then reading

Finished up my ISO of Daisy now.

I understand why some are getting scummy vibes off her, I'm just having a hard time seeing it. I have read and re-read her posts in ISO and in context until I'm crosseyed. It may be because I know her, and so that gives me a blind spot, because I know how much she's enjoying her writing projects right now and what not.

Her explanation of why she voted Mongoose is WIFOM-y, I'll agree. I also don't think mafia has the monopoly on WIFOM explanation / defenses. Ack. Hope to hear more from her before EOD. Also would like to hear more from others about her.


Speaking of EOD, I will not be here, so will likely have to have all my voting and posting done and dusted by 5:30 Eastern.


Linki~

reywaS wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:13 am

Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:21 pm thank you for enlightening this fossil! I believe I might like this new way better.

hello, mata. I never said hello and i feel like a jerk for it. Long time no talk.

(obvious team mate distancing)

Anyway, here's a list for the sake of making a list with which you can create or uncover hidden meaning...or just ya know read and follow in a straight forward manner:

sounds legit. Would not lynch
Elohcin
Nutella

still processing....wouldn't lynch unless someone appealed to my sense of logic and talked me into it
indiglo
Lunalee


I has no idea about....would probably join in on a lynchwagon in certain scenarios:
Owner of a lonely heart

Would, at this exact moment in time, have no problem voting for:
Meta-hairy
Triple J
Sexy wut wut beast

What are your thoughts on Daisy? I'm finishing up her ISO right now, and saw she wasn't on your VIP list.

Also, could you briefly outline your thoughts on your top 3? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:04 pm I am not sure I see the big deal about Indi. I feel like what I've seen from her is consistent to the way we all used to play at TP. I will do a read through later tonight and try to see if I can get some better reads on everyone.

*sings* Those were the daaaayyyyysssss!

Sup y'all!?

Working on catching up, and since I have a small chunk of time, I'm doing some ISO's.

This is something that stood out to me when ISOing Mata:

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:40 pm I made a list of impressions, well, I started one, when I realized that I was judging by standards from five or more years ago. Mafia tactics and individual playing styles change so I’m really out of the loop here.
These are the things I used to consider in the early days of a game:
Old standards- aggression, creating confusion, hiding
Older standards- creating questionable suspicion on someone, and having a teammate eventually second it, subtly defending an accused teammate and have another mate deflect by throwing attention elsewhere.
None of this is going to help me have a certainty about someone’s innocence or guilt. I may wind up looking at players I think are hiding, like, in plain sight. (Hiding doesn’t necessarily mean absent or being quiet)

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:43 pm
I'd be pleased to see what you'd prepard even if you believe it to be outdated.

JJJ Mac - joking too much, throwing out accusations that can’t be taken seriously (why? Looking to make people talk?)
Rey - joking. He’s present, so must be town. (He used to not participate much if he was bad)
Nutella - caught off guard, became defensive. Also subtly defended/aligned with Luna at least twice. Looked for an out by jumping on something else quickly leading to a vote for me. ??
Mongoose Juliet’s indiglo ???
Luna Owner here but not here???

I really don’t know what I’m doing anymore, but I am wondering amost about Nutella and Luna. That’s all I have so far.

Something feels a little off to me here, almost like it's an effort to appear to be posting content, without really posting content. I don't know if she didn't expect to be asked about her list or what, but I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy about this. Her previous posts explaining her thought process read as genuined, but this stuff really feels like an attempt to post content while not really saying anything.

Thoughts? From Mata or anyone?

Had a lovely evening with friends, and am drfunk.

Mafiaing will have to wait till tomorrow.

I am srry to seejuliets go though. She was 1 of themain peep that encouraged me to play this game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:27 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:05 pmI should be happy to move my vote, as my ping has now been quieted. Now to find a new votee in the next 10 minutes.

Your vote didn't move, so please talk about that.

I am sorry about that. I got a last minute phone call that ate up all my time, I barely had time to run out the door. I was a little bit late to my appointment even with rushing. I simply had no time. I didn't look at vote totals, so I'm not sure if changing my vote would have made a difference or not, but either way I'm sorry I couldn't change it. It was not malicious, and I am not mafia.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:58 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:56 pm

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:49 pm this was my first proper game in literally years,

What's the difference between a burglary and a proper game?

Is this is a legitimate question, I meant no offense to burglary hosts. Clearly, I mean not a game of a transitory nature, but one that’s got more complex roles, more players, more time. Like a side mission or a full game.

Sorry, I was replying to you earlier but didn't quote because I didn't know there'd be linki.

In this case, I am more comfortable with the questions you asked, seeing as how you haven't been a regular mafia player for a while.

I should be happy to move my vote, as my ping has now been quieted. Now to find a new votee in the next 10 minutes.


Linki again, but less weird this time

Oooh, no I was just unaware of the burglary mafia genre in its entirety.

And that makes a world of difference. I assumed it was just like a smaller game of regular mafia.

I too meant no offense.

Linki~ (really weird linki, too)

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:49 pm this was my first proper game in literally years,

What's the difference between a burglary and a proper game?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:43 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:23 pm
[VOTE: mongoose] aubergine


It was her last few posts that pinged me. The questions she was asking and the way she was asking them. I thought perhaps she was a noob, which would have explained it away at least for today... but she isn't a noob, so they just ping me.


*waits for a man to take credit for this post and read*

Something about this isn't sitting right with me. I went back to see what questions you were talking about. In her last 6 posts she had no questions. In the prior post, going back 7, she asked this question:

"For the good of the group: don’t you think such unbridled frustration tends to read/skew more civ?" Time: 1:03 EST

And then going back two more posts she asked:

"Is everyone else seemingly being their typical selves playstyles?" Time: 11:31 am

Are these the "questions she was asking and the way she was asking them" that pinged you? They were not in her last few posts as you indicated. And the last question was hours ago. I find your post slightly suspicious unless I'm just not understanding what you're saying.

It was these posts that have been pinging me:

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:31 pm Is everyone else seemingly being their typical selves playstyles? I’ve been to AWOL to know.

This one because if she's been here regularly playing with these folks (which she has) then it's a weird question. If she had been gone for a while and this was a first game back, or first game period, I could see asking this. Otherwise it strikes me as just plain weird, and "off". Plus, she mentions being AWOL, which she later said she's been playing burglarys regularly, so... I don't understand that.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:03 pm For the good of the group: don’t you think such unbridled frustration tends to read/skew more civ? When someone believes something about you that is so patently untrue, the frustration becomes palpable.

Apologies for the leading question, but I really want to know the veracity of my (foregone?) conclusion.

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:26 pm Jay - yes, regarding Nutella. It’s more or less what I was trying to posit yesterday, although I concede I did not do so artfully.

This pair struck me as odd because after asking the question, she seemed to be satisfied with only the response of 3J. Which I think is odd.


When the ping began, those were her last few posts. Since time has passed since starting to feel pingy, I do see she has made further posts, however those few are the ones that pinged me.

Linki~

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:36 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:23 pm
*waits for a man to take credit for this post and read*

If you insist

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:29 pm
Just for the record, by aggressive, I don’t mean people who post too much. I mean people who try to build serious cases on someone on day one. They passively-aggressively start building a case against someone in the hopes of a surviving day one lynch. Even civs do this, but mafia do it more deviously. This is what I’m looking for.

I am also trying to make connections, including reverse connections. To be even more UNclear, I see connections between Nutella and Lunalee, and possibly Mongoose. Reverse connections would be you, Rey, or anyone who hasn’t connected with the ones connected. This is how my brain works in a game, although I may not always come up with the right answer.

To clarify - by reverse connections, you mean that you feel those people are NOT connected to each other?

I've discarded more than 3 men, no reads needed. Y'all are expendable in general.

I have an appointment I have to leave for in the next hour or less. So I'm going to go ahead and vote, and be around as long as I can for any discussion after that. But I won't be here for EOD.

[VOTE: mongoose] aubergine


It was her last few posts that pinged me. The questions she was asking and the way she was asking them. I thought perhaps she was a noob, which would have explained it away at least for today... but she isn't a noob, so they just ping me.


*waits for a man to take credit for this post and read*

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:03 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:45 pm @Mongoose What is your mafia history? By that I mean, have you been playing mafia for a while? Has it been a while since you played, or have you been playing fairly regularly?

Hey Indi. I guess I’m old school since I’ve been playing since 2013 and I’ve hosted several games (and cohosted a few with BFF and fellow Animal Sanctuary Squad member thellama73), but it’s been a few years since I’ve played anything more than a burglary.

Ok, interesting. So you certainly wouldn't be considered a mafia noob. Currently you are my biggest ping.

But I really was hoping to kill a man first this go round, so I has a sad.

Linki~

[mention]Mongoose[/mention] What is your mafia history? By that I mean, have you been playing mafia for a while? Has it been a while since you played, or have you been playing fairly regularly?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:13 pm I’d rather Daisy. Because I like me. I’m pretty ok.

Hells yeah!!!

Linki~

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:03 pm For the good of the group: don’t you think such unbridled frustration tends to read/skew more civ? When someone believes something about you that is so patently untrue, the frustration becomes palpable.

Apologies for the leading question, but I really want to know the veracity of my (foregone?) conclusion.

I don't personally take anything like that at face value. Some people tend to get more riled up than others in general, or it might depend on their day, etc. I've seen mafia scum successfully have meltdowns as a tactic. YMMV, and all that.


Linki~

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:42 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:41 pm You, obviously, are free to play how you see fit. I am free to form opinions about that playstyle when I am involved in the game as well.

Sure you are. Consider for a moment that the discussion between nutella and Matahari was still directly related to what I did on Day 0. That's the whole point.

What did you learn about those two in their dialogue?

They both came off as genuine and non-defensive.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:33 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:00 pm I suspect indiglo but I don't wanna lynch her in her first game back in a long time.

What is your exact reason for suspecting me? Because I make jokes?

That discredit up there where you "dislike" my Day 0 approach or whatever because it "made it harder to read other people's opinions". That looks quite fake to me.

It's quite genuine. If that is your play style, obviously you like it. But I shall attempt to explain my thought process as best I can.

When 1 player becomes the driving force of the thread, most people posting are responding to that player. What I have found helpful during your absence was seeing players (2 in particular were nutella and Mata) interact with each other. When you and nutella, for example, were having that back-and-forth, obviously nutella was getting frustrated with some of the things you were saying. It's hard for me to get a read off someone if they are genuinely frustrated. All I can see is their frustration and annoyance with the person they're going back-and-forth with.

Once I saw nutella interacting with other players (like Mata, for example), she was able to express herself differently, and I felt like I got a better look at her current playstyle, rather than her frustration with 3J. Plus, I was able to see Mata expressing herself in the discussion, which I also found helpful in forming an opinion on her.

You, obviously, are free to play how you see fit. I am free to form opinions about that playstyle when I am involved in the game as well.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:52 pm

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:32 pmFurther thoughts on my previous post:

I just disliked the way it was 3J trying to guide / run the day's conversations. I know from past experience he has a tendency to do that, however it did make it hard for me to form opinions on others, because it felt like he was the ring master. I don't want to look to anyone else to tell me how to feel, or "create content" or direct the thread, or lead discussion. Makes it too easy for others to just sit back and watch, if that makes sense.

Does your "dislike" imply that you suspect me for my Day 0 behavior?

I'm still deciding. But I think it's unhelpful either way, a point on which we clearly inherently disagree.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:00 pm I suspect indiglo but I don't wanna lynch her in her first game back in a long time.

What is your exact reason for suspecting me? Because I make jokes?

Mongoose wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:31 pm Is everyone else seemingly being their typical selves playstyles? I’ve been to AWOL to know.

Here's a helpful answer: I've been gone for a few years, so I have no idea.


Further thoughts on my previous post:

I just disliked the way it was 3J trying to guide / run the day's conversations. I know from past experience he has a tendency to do that, however it did make it hard for me to form opinions on others, because it felt like he was the ring master. I don't want to look to anyone else to tell me how to feel, or "create content" or direct the thread, or lead discussion. Makes it too easy for others to just sit back and watch, if that makes sense.

Personally, I'm liking Mata's posts. No creepy vibes from her.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:46 am @JaggedJimmyJay you seem awfully quite in this game as compared to the other games you have been in recently or now. This gives me the heebie jeebies. Why so quiet and is nutella still your leading candidate for lynch?

Wow, if this is 3J quiet...
I felt like he dominated the thread Day 0, and with all the poo flinging from him it was difficult to hear from anyone else enough to form an opinion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:23 pm Can I have y'all's thoughts on nutella please and thank you

I love it, personally. Delicious on toast, or with fruit.

I would, but I have to get ready for work.

I'll be prepped for joviality a little bit later though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:11 am
indiglo took advantage of my goofy posts to make an entry joke, alleviating the pressure faced in making a first post -- more necessary for a mafioso than a civilian.

I feel no pressure, but I do enjoy joking around. Have we even met before?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:22 pm indiglo badass as badass can be

There, fixed it for ya

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:47 pm Also you're a man so we'll probably lynch you anyway.

I was thinking the same thing. We did want this to be an all ladies mafia game from the get go.

Also, I voted yes... because... yes.

JJJ - white dude prick

All the ladies - fabulous

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:34 pm I am admitting I have never seen this show and really know nothing about it except for that is has the wonderful Blake Lively form Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants in it.

Well, that's one thing more than I know. Does that make you feel any better?