The Syndicate

Fucking hell. Sorry guys. This is a piece of shit. Still hope town wins though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:04 am Huh. I don't know. I will sleep now. I'll probably just end up sheeping indiglo tbh

Oh no, please don't do that. I can assure you I have no idea what is going on and who is bad right now.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:05 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.
Of course he could. Scum can be blocked you know.

Anyway.

What's the case on Jinrou?
Also Owner is not a cop?

Now let's all claim role blocking powers too and see what happens.

Jack, you want a bastard game??

YOU GOT ITTTTTTTTT!!!11!!!!1!

I am about to fall asleep. But I will do more tomorrow, and try to remember to answer the Jinrou question then too, unless someone else beats me to it.

Owner did not claim cop, neither did Epi. (But truth be told, Epi responded exactly the way I expected him to. Exact wording and everything I had imagined in my brain. I laughed when it happened.)

That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:42 pm If any of the cop claims are untrue, I think it would be Kyle's. That whole getting random messages could definitely be made up. Why would Kyle be the only one getting custom messages. I just got town every time, and it seems that was the experience that Bob, Logic and indiglo had too. I can easily see Kyle make up this shit to make it sound believable and specific. I think. Maybe. Right?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

Yeah, that is weird, I agree. I didn't even get a complete sentence. It was just the word Result, a colon :, and then the word Town. Every time the same.

(This way I'm not quoting my PMs)

Also, I made a really cute letter head graphic for my night power PMs, and they both told me it was cute and funny. But that was all in a different message. But they did use complete sentences then, just to stick up for their communication skills.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:35 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:14 pmPardon me, what does that even mean?? Win without parity?
That mafia can win without overtaking the town by numbers. It's in the OP.
Also in the OP is that town needs to get rid of mafia.
I was half expecting that we had to form a protest against the mods - "We resist this oppressive system! Predators and preys are mere labels bestowed upon us for you to control us all, while we fight our petty war among ourselves. No more, I say! No more!"

Yeah, I read it in the OP and didn't know what it meant then either. LOL Thank you for explaining. I had just never heard that term before.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:29 pm I'm fine with a Kyle lynch or a Jinrou lynch as of right now. I realize there's another day available.

Ditto. I feel a bit more comfortable voting Jinrou (which feels weird to say after he copped green, but hey, bastards is as bastards do), but this Day Phase is going to be my phase of trust and cooperation. Paranoia hasn't worked yet, so I'm going to try the opposite. It's Bizarro Indi day! So, if everyone else that I trust feels more comfortable voting Kylemii, I'll go there too, no hesitation.

I also mentioned earlier that the kooky night kills make sense coming from a kooky Kylemii. Or, it could be that just as our alignment checks are untrustworthy, perhaps they have something wonky going on with their nightkills.

Another also is that he seemed to have trouble remembering who he copped each night. And trust me, I know exactly who I targeted each night with absolutely no problem, because I've been basing my entire game play on those checks.

As an aside to those who now know they were alignment checked - did anything weird happen to you on the nights you were targeted?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?
Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

I would give the same answer and the same reason.

EBWOP

Anyway, essentially I agree. There is a mafia in the game that definitely needs to go. So, I suppose speculating too much on other possible mechanics is likely fruitless.

But I forgot what a cute movie this was.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:25 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:39 pm Hey, Zootopia is on TV right now!!! I haven't seen this since it came out in the theaters. Maybe it'll help.

What if the bunny cop has to find the otter for town to win? That's who she's looking for right now, and I think it's a pretty big plot point.
Someone was saying they thought... Rej?... was the Otter. But he's dead, so I dunno. The bunny cop probably just has to take out the mafia, I haven't seen anything that prompts too much speculation . Soneji was bad... there ARE baddies in this game.

Rej was Nick Wilde, bunny's partner. Assuming we can trust the flips. Otter's still out there, if there's anything to this theory.

Nighthowlers aren't wolves, they're toxic flowers making predators go savage.

Another movie quote.

Hey, Zootopia is on TV right now!!! I haven't seen this since it came out in the theaters. Maybe it'll help.

What if the bunny cop has to find the otter for town to win? That's who she's looking for right now, and I think it's a pretty big plot point.

[VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

I'm going to go ahead and switch over to Jinrou. He was a definite suspect of mine, and now it seems clear that we can't trust alignment checks, so I'm going to stay here unless and until there is compelling reason to move.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:03 pm Or we're all town and first lynched just flips mafia anyway and our wincon is something totally different?

/crazy theories.

I was wondering if at some point in the game there would be a division between prey/predators. But I have absolutely no idea.

I have to say, after Jinrou copped green, I was about ready to just seriously give up because that was genuinely one of my last ideas. But at least we all started talking, so I don't feel like the only clueless person anymore.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:56 pm So is Owner and Jinrou the only non-cops?

Haven't heard from Epi yet either.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:06 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:09 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:01 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 am The last baddies have to be in Jinrou, Kyle, Logic, or Owner. I feel very good about Epi and bob, and indi and Dys are outside tinfoils... pretty far outside.
Are you a wolf?

Not, like, a werewolf, just a regular wolf.
I don't think this wording really helps. Couldn't someone just say no because in most cases their animal in this game woulsn't be a wolf?

I guess there were a few wolves in movie though.
This was due to a host post in which Jack mentioned a hippo coo, a rhino cop, and a wolf cop. I'm a rhino, Mac was a hippo, so I wondered if LC was the wolf. But then indiglo is also a cop so this doesn't really matter anymore.

Just for clarity, I'm an elephant!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:49 pm Oh wait. Couldn't mafia win without parity? Is that why the kills are weird?

Pardon me, what does that even mean?? Win without parity?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:41 pm Kyle is my father's name please call me kylemii

Sorry kylemii, I'll remember for future reference.

[mention]Kyle[/mention] who did you target each night so far?

I don't know how anyone phone mafias. It is the worst!!

Looking forward to hearing from Dys and Epi after all this.

Also, good observation CBob.

Another thought. Double targeting is allowed in this game. What if the first time you cop someone, they always cop green? And to get the true result they must be copped a second time?

I know that's half crazy, but it popped into my head so I'm saying it.

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:29 am I happen to think Kyle is town leaning.
Would much rather go for jinrou and owner over kyle.

Any reason in particular you think Kyle leans town?

I'm a million percent on board with Jinrou though, so I have no problem with that.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:50 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 am The last baddies have to be in Jinrou, Kyle, Logic, or Owner. I feel very good about Epi and bob, and indi and Dys are outside tinfoils... pretty far outside.

What if I told you I feel pretty good about Logic, and that I feel I may have been wrong about Jinrou?

LC, this is when I was 100% sure you were a cop too. I had suspected it already.

Just for the record, THIS is how we used to info-dump on LP back when info-dumping was illegal.

[VOTE: kyle] aubergine

Moving to Kyle for now. At least until we get this sorted.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:22 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:21 am Now you guys understand why I was asking about trusting cop results? Lol. When jinrou copped town, I was seriously dumbstruck.
Yeah that question makes way more sense now.

Probably should iso those people, but I feel epi as least scummy in my gut.

lol

I agree. Epi is least scummy to me too.

I feel like I'm leaning more towards Jinrou and Kyle over Owner. But that's gut.

Also, don't you think kooky Kyle would send in kooky night kills?

Now you guys understand why I was asking about trusting cop results? Lol. When jinrou copped town, I was seriously dumbstruck.

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:17 am Oh jack, you magnificent bastard

I don't know Juliet, so I'm not going to call her any names.

Jules is pretty magnificent herself.

Ok, so 4 people to lynch from.

Maybe we should list them from least scummy to most scummy?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:08 am I'm willing to exclude the 3 of us from the POE pool. This feels like something that would be hard for a mafioso to fake being part of.

So if I assume for the moment that our results are worthless, that gives us logic, LC, and myself as town. Willing to stay with indiglo and dizzy as town as well. Which would mean Epi, Kyle, Jinrou, Owner are the POE. Thoughts?

Ok, this is reasonable. That's a good PoE pool.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:55 am I did indeed. How many cops can a game handle?

Probably a lot if the host is lying on results or our targets got switched without us knowing.

Same. I copped BWT Night 1, Epi Night 2 and Jinrou last night - all town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 am The last baddies have to be in Jinrou, Kyle, Logic, or Owner. I feel very good about Epi and bob, and indi and Dys are outside tinfoils... pretty far outside.

What if I told you I feel pretty good about Logic, and that I feel I may have been wrong about Jinrou?

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:05 am I guess it wasn't permanent.
[VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

Votes in the poll are changeable up until poll closing.

Pretend we take Jinrou out the equation for a minute, who would your 2nd option be? I now have reason to doubt/question his mafianess.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:46 pm
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indiglo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:08 pm I don't object. What's your view?
Well, largely PoE.

Also, a little bit of hinkyness from Bob himself. I was looking back, and noticed he had started being on my radar for quite a while, but was like staying quiet and not drawing attention to himself.

There was that Day 1 vote weirdness, and an explanation post that uses some of the excuses about wonky voting I've used before as mafia (association bias, I acknowledge):

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colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:41 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:36 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:11 pm A decision is better than random and I prefer soneji to the other two with two votes so [VOTE: soneji] aubergine
What made you go from voting me to voting the wagon I started?
Also the votes were not tied when you voted. Nut had already voted Soneji here.
Why did you prefer Soneji over Kyle and Daisy?
Clearly nobody was going to vote with me, and there was a three way tie that I did not care for. I was sus of you, sure, but it's day 1, there's only so strong a sus can be.

They were tied when I started that post, 2 v 2 v 2. With literally a minute before EOD it's not like there was time to check what had actually happened in the linki. Actually I changed my vote before posting to make sure I made it before the poll closed and it jumped from 2 to 4 votes, but again didn't have time to check who had voted or anything.

Kyle is a player who generally takes time to ease into a game and is (generally) not somebody I'm ever interested in d1. I feel relatively good about my ability to read him as the game progresses. Daisy was absentee and had some questionable voting patterns associated with her. Soneji was the only one of the three with actual reasons to be sus.

(Also sorry for the broken tag I manually typed the slash and used the wrong direction like a real dumbass)

((also sorry for being racist against asses, donkeys, and other members of subgenus Asinus))

Then, he told me this:

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colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:24 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:14 pm Excellent. Mac trusted LC, and I expected LC to be the one to go down.
I'm spit balling here, indulge me.

With a role like Officer Higgins, would one perhaps expect Mac to have been an alignment cop, or something similar?

If yes, and remembering that the host said we would not be alerted if/when our targets were changed... should an alignment cop trust the results they get from the host upon checking the alignment of another player? Therefore should the rest of us trust the reads of a possible alignment cop? How should we handle such a possibility? Or should we just chuck it to the bastard winds?
Trust the cop until they're outed.

And Mac's very last post was this:

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:23 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:11 am Ok, I'm home on the computer. Indulge me for a minute and allow me to completely let go of paranoia for just momentarily. I'm looking at the player list. And if I go ahead and let myself fully trust even those people I don't 100% trust, I'm curious what my suspect pool will look like. Anyone who has given me a town ping at some point in the game I'm counting as town in this PoE exercise.

coloniabob
jinrou

That's who I'm left with. Who are YOU left with, if you do your own GTH reads, and don't allow yourself to have ANY nulls at all? What does your PoE look like? In your gut, or in your heart, or whatever organ you mafia with. (Ye perverts!)

This is before I've done another read-through or vote analysis, it's just my general sense of who feels town to me this game.
Welcome to my brain 12 hours ago

Linki - Mac - we're gonna try our level best, friend.
What day 1 vote weirdness? If you think I bussed, say that.

I fail to see how that response is scummy.

Sure, you and Mac suspected me and jinrou. So what? If you're trying to say that's why Mac died, why wouldn't you be the target? After all you're a lot higher on most people's civ list than he was.

I think you may have bussed. Happy?

Also, have you understood ANY of the reasons behind ANY of the night kills up to this point? Why would they start making sense now? And why would you choose to use that argument when the NKs have been beyond kooky since Night 1?

Linki with myself!!!

OMG I'VE CREATED A HOLE IN THE TIME-SPACE CONTINUUM WITH MY CONTINUED USE OF MULTI-TABS!!! SAVE YOURSELVES!!!

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:47 pm I'm on [VOTE: Kyle] aubergine for now btw

Why Kyle?

You've mentioned 0 suspicion of him all game, and in fact have called him town multiple times.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:08 pm I don't object. What's your view?

Well, largely PoE.

Also, a little bit of hinkyness from Bob himself. I was looking back, and noticed he had started being on my radar for quite a while, but was like staying quiet and not drawing attention to himself.

There was that Day 1 vote weirdness, and an explanation post that uses some of the excuses about wonky voting I've used before as mafia (association bias, I acknowledge):

Spoiler: show

Then, he told me this:

Spoiler: show

And Mac's very last post was this:

Spoiler: show

Linki -

Mac - we're gonna try our level best, friend.

[VOTE: ColonialBob] aubergine

Yeah, that feels pretty ok.

Fair enough.

No argument from me on those 3. (Except when my acute paranoia sets in.)

Or is this kind of talk considered angle-shooting and cheap?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:14 pm Excellent. Mac trusted LC, and I expected LC to be the one to go down.

I'm spit balling here, indulge me.

With a role like Officer Higgins, would one perhaps expect Mac to have been an alignment cop, or something similar?

If yes, and remembering that the host said we would not be alerted if/when our targets were changed... should an alignment cop trust the results they get from the host upon checking the alignment of another player? Therefore should the rest of us trust the reads of a possible alignment cop? How should we handle such a possibility? Or should we just chuck it to the bastard winds?

Crap Mac.

While it makes me feel good that our minds are (or were) in the same place, I am currently at a confused intersection.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:23 am
Welcome to my brain 12 hours ago

Smells like finger farts in here.

indiglo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:11 am Ok, I'm home on the computer. Indulge me for a minute and allow me to completely let go of paranoia for just momentarily. I'm looking at the player list. And if I go ahead and let myself fully trust even those people I don't 100% trust, I'm curious what my suspect pool will look like. Anyone who has given me a town ping at some point in the game I'm counting as town in this PoE exercise.

coloniabob
jinrou

That's who I'm left with. Who are YOU left with, if you do your own GTH reads, and don't allow yourself to have ANY nulls at all? What does your PoE look like? In your gut, or in your heart, or whatever organ you mafia with. (Ye perverts!)

This is before I've done another read-through or vote analysis, it's just my general sense of who feels town to me this game.

Grammar win!

Ok, I'm home on the computer. Indulge me for a minute and allow me to completely let go of paranoia for just momentarily. I'm looking at the player list. And if I go ahead and let myself fully trust even those people I don't 100% trust, I'm curious what my suspect pool will look like. Anyone who has given me a town ping at some point in the game I'm counting as town in this PoE exercise.

coloniabob
jinrou

That's who I'm left with. Who are YOU left with, if you do your own GTH reads, and don't allow yourself to have ANY nulls at all? What does your PoE look like? In your gut, or in your heart, or whatever organ you mafia with. (Ye perverts!)

This is before I've done another read-through or vote analysis, it's just my general sense of who feels town to me this game.

Is Owner too wolfy to be a wolf?

Hay, I tried to generate a CFD On Jinrou, but nobody bit. I bought LC's statement. Did anyone else?

This night phase we (imo) need to think seriously about who we trust. Make a serious civ/town circle.

Who looks bad after this lynch? Is Dizzy deep wolfing? What about Bob? What about Mac? Once I get back home and off my phone I'll try to post more.

Jinrou CFD?

SORRY, at a party, phone playing first time ever.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:47 pm [VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

I believe LC

I believe him too. Why Jinrou?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:34 pm Joining indiglo and Mac feels better as well, now that I see it.

The Owner wagon is bad.

So you trust Mac?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:58 pm
Logic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:54 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:31 pm I like Logic giving content, but I don't see anything that's not just as easy to do as scum if that's his style. It's hard to read for me, because "+/- scum/town points" isn't really my style. It gets confusing when he's like "-town points" to his top town reads and stuff.

Anyway. For now I'll just observe that I don't get how Bob was his top town read at a point. And that I think he's dancing around LC a bit. Possibly teamed.
My top town is not yet lock town. I was giving notes a "-town" to indicate something that looked fishy, regardless of who says it. You might also notice that I give my top scum at least 1 "+town" points. So why didn't you have any issue with that?
I had the same issue with that, I just didn't list it. It's basically the same, just inverted. It was an overall issue, or maybe just unfamiliarity with this way of reading. I don't know you, so it isn't AI to me. I'm guessing you would do this as either alignment.

It's just very unfamiliar and unlike how I approach the game myself, is more my point.

Could you maybe state your overall thoughts on a few people - Like the general take on some players?

Especially Lon Con, Epig, Speedy and Bob, I'm interested in.

I know you didn't ask me specifically, but it feels important for me to share some takes on a couple people you listed here. I trust Logic and I trust Epi. I may not agree with them completely, but I trust their reads are genuine.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:42 am Voting LC because I find his Owner vote bad

What's your take on Owner? Naughty or nice?

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