Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Giant post ahead. I'm gonna post a wall of quotes about what happened at EoD2. See if I can make some sense of this mess.
The CFD idea starts here. No suspects are pointed out yet.
Turnip Head wrote:I want to lead a CFD counterwagon because I don't like any of these 3, but I have no idea where to go. My vote is accomplishing nothing but I don't know where else to put it. I really hope Epi doesn't get lynched, I haven't played with him in forever and I'm liking his new approach this game.
Golden promptly agrees.
Golden wrote:I'd love to, too, but we would need to get enough people on board, and preferably including some of the current voters on the existing 3 wagons.
So does the bear:
S~V~S wrote:Talk to me. My vote is based on a ping, and I am not sure why he has other votes. When I looked in here this AM, it seemed that he had more, so if new info has come up I want to act on it, but I don't know that I can totally catch up in the time that I have.
Sloonei is open to it.
Sloonei wrote:My mind is open.
SW points out Fuzz's opportunistic vote. Ika agrees.
Silverwolf wrote:RadicalFuzz wrote:Breaking the tie, voting for ika.
ika
This is a very opportunistic vote and probably scum.
ika wrote:I agree, when i flip town it should be looked into
Golden throws two possible names. Matt and Wilgy. Not Fuzz, but he says he is open to ideas.
Golden wrote:Let me throw out two names for this counterwagon and see if Sloon, SVS, TH, indi, silver and ika could all be behind either.
Matt
Wilgy
I'm open to other names.
Says he is also open to Serge and Fuzz. Doesn't vote them or the other two yet.
Golden wrote:Serge and Fuzz votes both opportunistic, I'd be open to either of them too.
Sloonei supports a CFD on Matt.
Sloonei wrote:Matt is probably my dark horse lynch option, if we're all gonna start throwing names into the Chinese Fire Drill pool.
Linki: I see we have started doing that! And Matt has other takers.
Jar delivery girl is on board with the whole CFD idea.
indiglo wrote:Ditto.
Sloonei disagrees with ika. Not clear whether he is against lynching Fuzz or just doesn't like ika's particular point. Looks like the later.
Sloonei wrote:ika wrote:I agree, when i flip town it should be looked into
I do not agree. At this point it only makes sense to vote for one of the three of you, so any vote can be said to be "opportunistic".
Next, I voice against the CFD. Argument ensues. Not gonna post it here because this isn't the point of this post.
The bear makes a big point against Fuzz. Brings up the matter of Fuzz refusing to touch Ika.
S~V~S wrote:Silverwolf wrote:RadicalFuzz wrote:Breaking the tie, voting for ika.
ika
This is a very opportunistic vote and probably scum.
I kind of agree. This is his last postmentioning ika:
RadicalFuzz wrote:Matt is either playing from a high tightrope or is town. The risk/reward for his actions feels like high/medium if he's scum.
Sloonei is my strongest townread, as his posts have consistently made logical sense and he's avoided tunnelling on one player or interaction. It feels like he's trying to solve the game, and that's good.
You look town-y to me, for similar reasons to Sloonei. The difference is your tone reads as a little early to reach a conclusion, like you're content with finding enough facts to reach a conclusion at all, not necessarily the correct one.
Spirityo still has said next to nothing and we're a few hours out from Day 2 ending. His four posts consist of the following. A "linki - that's a good idea", one "I agree with Sloonei about the cultural differences between RYM & Syndicate", a greeting to everyone, and an apology for missing the vote. Absolutely zero content whatsoever.
Enrique I don't like because of his refusal to explain his vote on Day 1. That entire situation read as if he was nervous, if that makes sense, like he didn't have a reason at the time of his vote but decided he needed one.
I refuse to touch the Silverwolf/ika thing with a 39 & 1/2 foot pole. There's some logic to be found in interactions regarding them, but so much emotion that I'd probably end up stepping on someone's toes and they'd get mad at me for their decision to wear sandals.
My vote's going to be used to prevent a tie today. I'm indifferent as to where specifically it goes.
Turnip the reason you should vote for me is so you stop twiddling your thumbs about who to vote for.
Llama can you elaborate on your conclusion that Luffy's posts scream "cop?"
SW disagrees on the CFD. She had priorly agreed on lynching Fuzz, but not the CFD.
Silverwolf wrote:Golden wrote:Let me throw out two names for this counterwagon and see if Sloon, SVS, TH, indi, silver and ika could all be behind either.
Matt
Wilgy
I'm open to other names.
I don't like this. I never like the idea of a last minute flash wagon at the end of the day.
Your latest posts are not really sitting well with me.
Radical Fuzz, Golden need to be looked into more tomorrow IMO.
Golden congratulates the bear. No vote yet.
Golden wrote:Good find, SVS.
Sloonei agrees with the Fuzz lynch. That gives us 4 people wanting to lynch Fuzz: him, ika, SW and SVS.
Sloonei wrote:S~V~S wrote:Silverwolf wrote:RadicalFuzz wrote:Breaking the tie, voting for ika.
ika
This is a very opportunistic vote and probably scum.
I kind of agree. This is his last postmentioning ika:
RadicalFuzz wrote:Matt is either playing from a high tightrope or is town. The risk/reward for his actions feels like high/medium if he's scum.
Sloonei is my strongest townread, as his posts have consistently made logical sense and he's avoided tunnelling on one player or interaction. It feels like he's trying to solve the game, and that's good.
You look town-y to me, for similar reasons to Sloonei. The difference is your tone reads as a little early to reach a conclusion, like you're content with finding enough facts to reach a conclusion at all, not necessarily the correct one.
Spirityo still has said next to nothing and we're a few hours out from Day 2 ending. His four posts consist of the following. A "linki - that's a good idea", one "I agree with Sloonei about the cultural differences between RYM & Syndicate", a greeting to everyone, and an apology for missing the vote. Absolutely zero content whatsoever.
Enrique I don't like because of his refusal to explain his vote on Day 1. That entire situation read as if he was nervous, if that makes sense, like he didn't have a reason at the time of his vote but decided he needed one.
I refuse to touch the Silverwolf/ika thing with a 39 & 1/2 foot pole. There's some logic to be found in interactions regarding them, but so much emotion that I'd probably end up stepping on someone's toes and they'd get mad at me for their decision to wear sandals.
My vote's going to be used to prevent a tie today. I'm indifferent as to where specifically it goes.
Turnip the reason you should vote for me is so you stop twiddling your thumbs about who to vote for.
Llama can you elaborate on your conclusion that Luffy's posts scream "cop?"
Okay, now I agree.
Golden states he is willing to vote for Fuzz.
No vote yet.
Golden wrote:I'm willing to do a Fuzz vote.
Ika states he also wants to vote for Fuzz. Again, no vote yet.
ika wrote:Golden wrote:I'm willing to do a Fuzz vote.
i can do that
Sloonei opens the flood gates. The poll doesn't show that because Sloonei would later change the vote, but he is the first to vote.
Sloonei wrote:RadicalFuzz is the crooked kind of player.
TH prefers to vote for Scotty though.
Turnip Head wrote:I voted for Scotty on the basis of the points I made in
this post. It's not as strong of a point now that the Gleam wagon slowed down and two others popped up, but I still get a word feeling from how he used his vote today.
Golden votes second.
Golden wrote:RadicalFuzz
SW wants to join, but wants more support.
Silverwolf wrote:I'm willing to lynch Radical Fuzz right now if there's enough support for it.
Enrique is confused about lynching Fuzz. So is TH.
Enrique wrote:Sloonei wrote:I am starting to feel more inclined to vote for Epi, and if I reach a point where I'm confident enough to do that, I will do it.
Is that gonna happen on its own? Are you looking for encouragement?
also why is everyone voting fuzz now wtf i wasnt serious
Turnip Head wrote:Why Fuzz? I've got linki up the wazoo
Ika votes.
ika wrote:Changed my vote
pedit: well we are @riki
Enrique agrees with my point against the CFD. The Fuzz lynch is fully moving at the time.
Enrique wrote:Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Golden wrote:Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I don't like the idea of starting another wagon, when we already have 3, with less than an hour for the phase to end.
This is the PERFECT opportunity for scum to save each other if they need to.
If you don't like the current wagons then tough luck. Try to push another one earlier next day.
Every post you make is making you look more scummy, imo. Why shouldn't we try to push one now, when so many people think all of the current wagons don't have a lot of merit?
If people don't like any of the 3 wagons then sure, go ahead.
But inviting people to look for a fourth one reeks of an attempt to deflect this lynch into something else.
I don't like the timing of this at all. Because all the scum who are seeing their possible teammates get lynched will take the chance to jump out.
Good post.
Enrique votes for one of the movers of the Fuzz wagon:
Enrique wrote:Golden I really don't like this.
SW votes. Then the bear. Then me.
Silverwolf wrote:Radical Fuzz
If this doesn't happen today, I'm voting it tomorrow.
S~V~S wrote:I went to Fuzz
Tied it backup.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Fine.
RadicalFuzz
I hate this plan but if we are not lynching gleam, the Fuzz is the next in line.
I'm not lynching ika today.
Okay I'm gonna stop here with the votes. The rest is history and can be seen in the poll.
The point is this post was to provide a way for people to look at the flow. Who started the CFD, who pushed, how the idea for lynching Fuzz was developed, who came up with it and who pushed it too. This is useful for the point I want to make next.
Also Sig's post against the lynch hadn't come yet, but would eventually come. Will quote it here since he seems to be a big suspect:
sig wrote:Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense I think this is a baddie driven CFD to save a teammate, notice almost the same people are up for lynches today as yesterday? I stand by my theory that one was mafia and that we had some minor save last phase, I think we are seeing a much bigger save attempt this phase. With a mafia team thhis big a CFD is easy to pull off I think this is scum driven to save one of the three leading people. Most likely Ike or Epi.
Can someone give me any reason for the Fuzz lynch?
I also really dislike DDL switch and his reasons. I actually am agreeing with Llama about him what about a Dragon lycnh?
linki: DDL and Golden are my top two scum reads, either Ike or Epi are there partners. Possibly Wilgy as well.
Ok here is the point.
I think Golden is bad.
The reason: the way he moved in this lynch is VERY similar to how he handles bussing in other games where he is bad.
Let me explain how the fiende operates: he is never the one to start the wagon where his teammates are lynched. He waits for someone to bring it up and stays on the fence, looking contributive. But as soon as he smells the wagon, he makes sure he is one of the first to jump on it, in order to keep appearances. He won't jump unless he sees the clear flow of the thread going against the teammate though. But when they do, he will act fast and secute the towncred that lynch will provide. Golden is capable of lynching his entire team, then winning the game alone on a mountain of towncred he carefully obtained along the game. He did it in Economics: got two of his three teammates lynched and made sure to look responsible for it, even when he was never the one to bring the lynch up. He was the first to vote on both lynches, even though he wasn't the one starting the suspicion (TH, the cop, was).
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p148585
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p147451
So it matches with this game. he didn't bring up the CFD. He agreed with it after TH did. He didn't bring up the Fuzz lynch, he actually brought up 3 counter-examples before and attempted to push wagons on them. He only said he was going to vote for Fuzz after four other players did.
And now, he is acting like if everyone on that lynch is automatically town, and the ones who opposed the CFD the most are automatically mafia. A dangerous and absolute view, which doesn't fit an intelligent and questioning person like him. it is perfectly possible for that lynch to contain 1 or even more cops. They could be sacrificing their teammate. Heck, that wasn't even clear it would happen, since the day ended with more votes on ika than on Fuzz. It's likely this was a coordinated job, with some players voting for ika to counter the wagon and some voting for Fuzz in order to split the team. They took the risk, and it didn't pay off since they lost a teammate, but now they are trying to reap the benefits of towncred and/or creating new suspects.
I know this whole thing is a huge tinfoil, but it feels right to me. I'm willing to act on it next day.
That doesn't mean I don't have other suspects though. The ika wagon is probably full of them. I don't like the way Soneji has been playing, for example, and I see the points on Enrique and/or Sig. But I'm gonna pursue this theory first.
I don't like Golden's absolute views. Only siths deal in absolutes. This doesn't sound like a civ wanting to figure out the game.
I'll finish catching up to see if there is anything else worth replying to then disappear again until Day 3. Bye.
Pretzel Machine... I like soft pretzels. I was just sitting here quietly reading, and then said out loud "pretzel machine" and started laughing. Dex said "I take it that's the punchline?" 
That seems like pretty bad punishment, tbh.
Lynching Turnip, cha-cha-cha, lynching Turnip, cha-cha-cha 
Perhaps once night starts your posting restriction will be over, and you can say whatever you like, however you like.
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