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Golden wrote:Oh, and also - to everyone...
Thanks for a completely drama free game. May the rest of my games as a mod be like my first. I really needed it to be easy right now, so I appreciated it.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:At no point after my death did I regret publicly claiming my independence.
Until the resurrection poll.
I thought that was an interesting gambit. I wonder if you'll try it again. I think it was definitely worth trying at least once.
Golden wrote:I thought you had downtrailed, but then I realised those are just your shoes. They are like clown shoes.indiglo wrote:Everything I say, I mean personally. Also I take everything personally.
Ah, thank you! I will be filing this away for future reference.Spacedaisy wrote:Mata is still around, she has played here on occasion, but she is pretty selective about her games and how she feels about playing mafia at the time plays a big part. I would recommend asking her when your game comes up, she may want to play. She is best reached by Facebook.indiglo wrote:So is Matahari still around? I miss her too. Haven't seen her since returning from my long absence. She was so nice. I remember at one point we referred to her as Mata/Cyn/Dilly due to her plethora of names. I hope she is well.
I wonder if she'd make an appearance at the Syndicate for another Dex & Indi Production. She hasn't missed one yet!
RIP Juliets 
So let me see what I got. 
But so is the apology and the hug. bea wrote:I guess what I'm saying is it's easy to think the early thing. But you and I know how well we all work together.
And maybe it's differently.
Indi - splintsy - lorab
I'm hard pressed to find a reason they didn't land how I did re: svs
I am still out of town with extremely limited internet time. (To boot my brain is for real fried after doing ~language~ all day long.) I'm working on catching up on the thread, but if I can do that tonight, I'll be doing good. There will be no major analyses or revelations coming out of me until well after I'm home and rested. I've said this many times, so not sure why the suspicion over it? Unless I'm an easy target due to being out of town? (And thus less participatory.)bea wrote:kk I'm srrsly honest on thisl.
TH- follow up because I'm sure I can't -
Lorab, indi, Spinltsy were all non voices in the eternal night of svs dying.
Sorry buddy, I am out of town this weekend (Thursday-Sunday) with very limited internet time. Plus my brain is fried from working all day. I am trying to get caught up on the thread tonight at least, and will post all thoughts as I have them. But I'm not sure I'll be able to get real good Day Time thoughts until I get home and my schedule relaxes a bit. (Day Time thoughts = reads, cases, etc.) I'm still on the fence about SVS. I can see both sides of the argument, and all the round and round doesn't help my brain. It comes down to, do I believe her or not. And I'm just still not sure.Scotty wrote:Sorsha currently has 5 posts. This is her last:What are your current thoughts based on what SVS has said?Sorsha wrote:And the link back so you can read it in context: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p260075S~V~S wrote:There is a vote forcer in this game, a civ. When *I* am vote forced to vote for someone I don't think, or don't know, is bad, I generally vote not unlike G Man did. No one else was going to be lynched when he voted.Sorsha wrote:G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight
RIP Quin
This lynch actually makes LC look better to me, and Faraday and Soneji worse. But I need to read again, you don't read as well when you are a bear. Big claws, small brain.
The highlighted section is referring to voting last minute.
Who else do you suspect right now?
What are you opinions since Jo was revealed, and SVS has responded to a myriad of concerns?indiglo wrote:Reading that post in context, I'm gathering that G-Man waited until the last possible minute to change his vote to where it was allegedly forced, and SVS saying that is how she would vote too if she were forced. Ie, wait until the last possible minute, so as not to begin a band wagon on someone who you don't know or don't think is bad.
Again, this jibes with what I know of SVS. We came up in a culture of non-changeable votes. Therefore we have ALWAYS been the type who hold our votes to as close to the end as we can. That early vote from her pings me the most. That's what makes me think she's quite possibly bad. It is just so opposite of her normal voting behavior. Whether she's forced to vote a certain way, or not, she's not an early voter unless she absolutely has to be (like, won't be here at EoD, etc).
Who are your top baddie reads right now?
RIP 
That's where my head is at too. Occam's Razor and all that.DrumBeats wrote:^ Good observation 3J. SVS is bad 100%. I'm going to look back through his posts for possible partners while we deal with this long ass night pair.
Also, we have to treat these night phases like day phases and keep discussion rolling. If there is another vigilante shot out there, use it on SVS tonight to try to negate the numbers advantage this double night is giving them.
@ linki - in what situation do you see town SVS voting instantly and the day phase subsequently ending? If the vote was controlled, it wouldn't need to be that instantaneous.
Mafia either knew exactly what they were doing (my guess, would they have started off with a role list, even though the rest of us did not?) or got extremely lucky. I will be all ears as to wtf SVS has to say about that. Does not look good at all. 
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Too early is one thing... uncharacteristic is another... that I just don't think is true.Serge wrote:Also the fact that it's too early for it.
Why u no use lynch stop? 
Well, remember, I've not seen an episode of this show, so I can't say what I think the deal is, or what the deal may be. All I know is that as of now, with the limited roles that have been revealed so far, they're all civvies, and Andy is on the list. So I have no idea what any of that will mean in the future regarding alignment.Serge wrote:Andy was a salesperson before he became a manager. He'll replace Michael if the latter dies, so I don't think it's unlikely.indiglo wrote:But they're all listed under "Civvies" in the first post now, including Andy. And Dom said that old role list had changed quite a bit between when it was originally made, and when the game went live.
You know, it was so super simple, but soooo good. I did potato gnocchi with a fire-roasted tomato-based sauce, and sauteed zucchini on top. I wish I could eat 2 dinners tonight, just to eat it again. But, then I probably couldn't wear pants... so yay for forced moderation!insertnamehere wrote:c'mon, you gotta give us the deets on thatindiglo wrote:OMG I seriously just ate probably the single most delicious dinner I have ever cooked in my entire life. My mouth needs a frakking cigarette. I just can't even. I just want to sit here for a minute and keep tasting this delicious meal. Nothing can bring me down for the next approximate 20 minutes.
indiglo wrote:I have no idea. It probably depends on who Meredith is. I wonder where Meredith herself will vote.Quin wrote:Which of the three getting votes do you think Meredith would be most likely to put extra votes on?insertnamehere wrote:Updating my list of people who missed the Day 1 vote and most like have their vote controlled by Meredith
bea: leetic
enrique: 3J
fingersplints: leetic
lorab: BWT
serge: BWT
sorsha: ???
spacedaisy: 3J
How was that for entirely unhelpful?
I have no idea. It probably depends on who Meredith is. I wonder where Meredith herself will vote.Quin wrote:Which of the three getting votes do you think Meredith would be most likely to put extra votes on?insertnamehere wrote:Updating my list of people who missed the Day 1 vote and most like have their vote controlled by Meredith
bea: leetic
enrique: 3J
fingersplints: leetic
lorab: BWT
serge: BWT
sorsha: ???
spacedaisy: 3J
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think there's a better than average chance he's bad. I feel the same way about BWT. I prefer a lynch of the latter. Even more than that I prefer a pressure cooker EOD where information may be generated. Enjoy the close tally.S~V~S wrote:Do you think he is bad?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I moved my vote to leetic. I like having two distinct lead wagons proceeding toward EOD.
I also found that odd.birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm...confused by the first part. Not sure how else to explain it.Quin wrote:Specifying the night phase would, I think, infer more than just a dead townie. Dom gave the okay because it didn't break the info dumping rule.
As for the second, it didn't break the info dumping role...and your role would be one the town would miss...
I'm down to 3 possibilities in terms of your roles' ability/abilities. And 2 of them are not good for the civs.
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Sorry. I was exhausted last night when I was trying to explain my voting for you. Let me clarify:Quin wrote:I don't even know. I was pinged by Matt because I agreed with the principle behind what INH said in that faking reads is counter-productive, but I don't scum read him after taking everything else into account right now. BWT doesn't look all that great given his vote for me, though. I feel as though my vote might go there tomorrow.
1) Yes, your statement rubbed me the wrong way in terms of what you said about baddie hunting. But, combined with the fact that I felt you had done pretty much no quality baddie-hunting yourself up to that point, made that statement jump out at me even more.
2) I didn't have much else to go on at that point. Wilgy's positions seemed completely ungrounded in anything factual and was 100% suspicions. I did not think that there was anything at the time in between Matt and INH and felt it was civ on civ. Your statement was the first thing that jumped out at me on Day 1 and was the strongest ping I got.
That being said, it is still a ping that I will keep in the back of my mind as the game progresses. But that along isn't a strong enough reason to vote for you on Day 2 vs. on Day 1 unless you give me other reasons to do so going forward.
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I know I definitely am not. We're less than 24 hours away from Day 2 ending, Quin's posts since after the Day 1 lynch have started to make me feel better about him, and I'm currently catching up and have zero suspicions on anyone. Although part of that may be because this is a very large game and most large games take me a bit longer to start to sink in and get more concrete ideas.insertnamehere wrote: I wanna take a quick informal poll.
Who here genuinely thinks that they are good at mafia?
I know I sure as hell don't. But I like playing it anyway.
I am not as solidly sold on this case, but I still like what you're doing and where you're going. I think I may have an inherent bias with Epi - when some of his logic and reasoning agrees with mine, I tend to correlate that to him also being civ. He posted a couple things (or at least 1, I should really do an ISO to double check) that were exactly where my head was at at that time, so it made me lean slightly civ on him.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Beefs with Epignosis:
I don't know why Epi asked this question. Matt's assertion was rather ordinary -- that two people (Scotty and fingersplints) shouldn't know the alignment of S~V~S yet and thus should have no reason to interfere with his methods. I don't think there's any implication here that Matt knows more than he should know, which is where Epi's question seems to lead.Spoiler: show
This strikes me as a very small reason to regard Matt as the number one suspect, and there's an air of opportunism too given the crap Matt got throughout Day 1.Spoiler: show
This is fun in that Epignosis is accusing Wilgy of providing fake content, when Epi's post itself looks to me like fake content. Moreover, the Wilgy post being criticized looks a lot like the Epignosis post in the previous spoiler. Saying something for the sake of saying something. Taking a stance for the sake of taking a stance.Spoiler: show
The "soft accusation" thing looks fake too. Wilgy suggested a bad INH might suggest a good Matt, which makes perfect sense given the treatment INH gave Matt on Day 1. There's no reason for this to be perceived as "soft". There's no "couching". Wilgy voiced suspicion of INH independent of Matt and then made an assertion about how a baddie flip by INH might reflect on Matt. That's reasonable.Spoiler: show
Then all those numeral grades are just pointless. Epignosis is not the type to waste thread space on nonsense.
Epignosis ended up supporting the Wilgy lynch. The only supporting content for this vote is in the preceding spoiler, which I've already griped about. He seemed very relaxed and content to go with the flow on this one. I get the impression given the language of his posts that he suspected Matt more than Wilgy, but he didn't bother to press the issue. I'd expect a civilian Epignosis to be a little more invested in getting his suspect lynched.Spoiler: show
Separately from all this, I count 14 of Epi's 33 posts that add nothing to the discussion. This number can be disputed to be slightly higher or slightly lower depending upon interpretation. Regardless I see potential post count inflation.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:With Elohcin I think I might be breaking one of my cardinal rules -- seeing a team mate relationship without any flips to facilitate it. When I look at leetic's attack on Elohcin's "fluff", it strikes me as very arbitrary and very forced, to the point that I wonder if he was overzealous in his desire to distance from Elohcin. This is something I've seen a lot of lately around here from baddies in multiple games and that might be influencing my perspective. Elohcin herself seemed concerned about this:bea wrote:I don't get why you GTH epi or eloh as bad.
Like I said, still struggling to find my feet and I usually work more from who do I trust backwards than who do I suspect, but I'd not seen anything weird out of them that gave me any bad feelings or anything.
Otherwise, Elohcin's posts on their own power don't perturb me, but they don't inspire me either. They make me feel nothing, really. That might not sound damning, but I am getting a solid number of town vibes from this player roster right now, and that means the people not making me feel that way are inherently suspicious by process of elimination. It's not a confident matter on Day 2 with so many people alive, but it's where my head is.Elohcin wrote:fluffy, non- game related stuff? What are you talking about? I don't think I've posted anything non-game related except that I would be back to vote after my show last night and even that was semi-game related. I don't know what you're talking about. Also, looking back at all your posts, you have only made ONE semi-on topic post. The rest have been "fluffy, non-game related" posts.leetic wrote:Why are you posting such fluffy, non-game-related stuff this late in? Surely you have something else to talk about?Elohcin wrote:I am going to go with Customer Service tonight.
I do hope you aren't lumping me with this Leetic person by asking us both about our reads at the same time. At the moment I am most concerned with Quin for his/her "I'm a civ and you'll be sorry" post before EoD 1. As I've said before and as most people are probably tired of hearing...big games are difficult for me. I am trying to keep up, take notes, and participate as much as possible. I will have more things to say as time goes on, promise.DrumBeats wrote:@ Leetic and Eloh - What are your current reads?
I'll look over Epignosis and talk about him separately. I think I can be less vague there.
G-Man wrote:
for now. 
I came to pretty much the same conclusion on (what I perceive to be) Quin's forced vote. I can wifom it 7 ways to Sunday and come up with a variety of disparate conclusions on what it says regarding alignment. So, for now, it'll have to be yet another thing to put in my back pocket for later.insertnamehere wrote:I agree with others on Quin's vote being out of place, but I just don't see how it'd be advantageous for him to lie about that. I'm inclined to suspect that either Meredith has some secret power that we don't know about, or a different role forced him to vote SVS. Now, I agree that this role is unlikely to be a civilian one, simply because it seems bad form to have two outright vote manip roles assigned to the same team, but crazier things have occurred. Still, I'm not really sure that this says anything about SVS, because she's very unlikely to be lynched today. If Quin's vote was decided by a baddie vote manip, I could easily see them targeting one of their own in order to throw us off the scent.
So in summary, I can't really draw any conclusions whatsoever as far as anyone's alignment from Quin's vote, and this exercise was more or less pointless.
But I decided to post it anyway. Yay me.
Epignosis wrote:I'm not good at mafia.
There, there now Epi. You know good and well that you aren't good at anything. So don't let not being good at mafia get you down, champ! You're just as good at mafia as you are at everything else! 
