The Syndicate

A Person wrote:I had actually had been completely carried away and forgot I wasn't supposed to edit, so sorry about that, teammates.
Maybe I'm used to seeing some others edit clandestinely

It's, ok, AP! I admit I was pissed you were gone, but when you were editing I thought it was hilarious and was actually trying to figure out how to do it as well. So I guess I'm just lucky for being stupider than you.

Lizzy wrote:
Alex, mate, I just wanted to say that hosting a small game is exhausting, and there's two of us, but holy fu! You're mad! I have no idea how you do it. Alone too. (So Russti, good luck!)

Thanks!

DharmaHelper wrote:I want to thank my team and the host foremost. BF and Rusti you guys were a blast to work with and scheme with. I feel like I do owe some explanations so I will try to cover everything-ish in this post.

Firstly, I want to clear up the Sinister Exaggerator thing for everyone. A.P flipped his shit in the thread and got himself killed intentionally, something MP thought was entirely unfair for our team, so he tweaked that role to give us some compensation. In actuality, he wanted to tweak the role even further, but we talked him down. So that would be why the Exaggerations were constant even after AP's death. I apologize if anyone thought that was unfair, but BF, Rusti, Myself, and MP all came together to work that out and try to recover from AP's flip out.

Secondly - Actually coming up with creative Exaggerations was so much fun. We thought it would be a brilliant idea to fake a couple kills, and then we got the idea to start faking Moriarty reveals, which put us firmly in control of the flow of information. The Lizzy lynch was my crowning achievement on this site. Setting her up and then knocking her down was really satisfying :P We would have gotten away with it as well if it wasn't for the darn rezz poll! One day/night cycle later and Lizzy would have been done. We also faked the merger of the two mafias. We tried to write our Exaggerations keeping in mind people's reactions, so we could look for clues as to who people were.

Most of our kills were redirected, I think. We never once directly tried to kill SVS, and twice we ended up targeting her. I don't think Nev was our original target either, but when he survived, and reacted the way he did, we thought we could use some exaggerations to flush him out.

I'm probably missing some stuff (Rusti was really good at picking words for us to use to boost our votes!). I felt pretty confident in my position prior to the Red Room. I think if the dead had not been so vindictive I would have had a semi decent shot at winning. The Red Room took our whole team, and our kill with it. Would have been a completely different landscape.

First off, DH played like a true champ this entire game. I hope the night posts he wrote are posted to the thread soon, because they were absolutely brilliant. He was the heart and soul of our team, and he did a terrific job in-thread as well as with night actions, in my opinion.

DH and BF, I was pissed when Epi and llama decided to invite you guys to the Room. Because of the bloc, there was nothing I could do, and not voting either of you would probably have made it obvious who I was (I guess it really didn't matter at that point, since our team was doomed to die anyway). I kept trying to use my power to rez you, but i could only rez within the Red Room.

This was an awesome and mindblowing game, and I'm really grateful to MP for taking on such an epic challenge and doing even better with it than I imagined.

Flyin' High wrote: I feel like I need to respond to this better. I have never been a huge poster. Sure, over a four-year period of playing, there is the occasional game that I post like fiend. But on the whole I am someone that usually only posts when I feel I have something important or new to contribute to the thread. And when I do post, my posts tend to be fairly long. I am a very analytical person and spend a lot of time thinking. So just because my post count doesn't rival people like DH and Epi doesn't mean I'm not still contributing on a regular basis to the game. Perhaps this should be in off-topic because I am accused of being "more quiet than usual" in almost every game I play and I find myself questioning why this keeps happening to me.

I say something like this every game, too....

DharmaHelper wrote:Russ I think I've only played one or two games with but he's been awesome every game. He seems like a real humble guy with a lot to give in terms of insight and community.

thellama73 wrote:mumble mumble....P.G. Wodehouse novel....mutter mutter

P.G. WODEHOUSE!! Sooooooo good!

Also, I am sad to be dead, and rezzes would be appreciated. I'll even write thank-you notes!

Hi everyone!

Just checking in. The past few days have been absolutely mental, with my interview yesterday and 2 flights, then 3 hours of sleep and 2 exams. Sooo I'm gonna ignore mafia until tomorrow, and then I'll catch back up. Sorry for the absence; I know it's not in the spirit of a champion, but from here on out I'm hoping my participation will be back to normal.

Just quickly, though-it looks like a lot happened while I was gone. I read MP's post the same way Nev did: that it was a tie, and therefore Thomas likely voted Epi.

And I think we should post levels! I won't right now in case it messes with the group strategy, but I was a baddie in Meat Boy, and one of our biggest fears was that people would announce their votes and use it to find us if they didn't trust us.

Devin the Omniscient wrote: What hotel are you staying in, Russti?

Why, wanna come over?

Nah but really, I'm in the Marriot in Cleveland. Super fancy.

Nevinera wrote: linki Russ: Lizzy's point is relevant - if Bea could just choose not to use the NK then she wouldn't need to vote for herself to keep covered.

My interpretation of what MP said is that basically the minion must kill if they can. So I agree with you that it's not an absolute list, but I feel generally ok about it. And given that 2 of the players on it are Kate rezz voters, I'll probably vote one of those two.

Bea, I would probably feel better about you from a hard evidence standpoint if we left you uncovered and did have votes on Epi and BWT. My gut is still saying civ bea though.

Gonna vote BWT. I think that lynching either him or Epi has a good chance to get a baddie, and they've both pinged me so far.

Wish me luck tomorrow!

Linki: Stupid codes. I wish this would be the end of them and not the beginning.

(The code says "This is just the beginning.")

Well, I have internet in my hotel, so I can afford to wait until later tongiht to vote (I'll be busy tomorrow).

Nev, your point about bea is a super good one. Voting yourself does seem a very good way to avoid detection if you're the minion (for a while, at least). I may have to alter my theory about BWT and Epi.

@Bea: hypothetically, if we were to collectively decide to put votes on BWT and Epi today, but not you, would you be cool with that, given what it would imply?

Oh! And before I forget. I try to be understanding of rl frustration, but does no one else think BDH is acting weird? Hedge's name is nowhere near his, that seems like an unlikely mistake to me. And he was saying he's definitely absolutely positively civ but can't tell us why and that his vore was being controlled earlier, iirc. Can't pull quotes because phone.

I'm starting to get pinged by it, is all. I'll give BOTD for today I guess, though.

Just waiting on MP's response (if he does say yes) to go ahead and vote either BWT or Epi. Other than that I'm probably not gonna be around much this period, I'm headed to Cleveland for an interview right now and get back late Fri.

Never mind about RIP juliets, apparently :-). And welcome to timmer! I forgot to say so before. Nev, I hope you're wrong about the bobminion, it's comforting to think we have it narrowed to 3.

MP, if the minion tried to kill someone at night would you write that into the story specifically?

RIP Ace. Hopefully we didn't let a baddie get away in your place. RIPIYWG, juliets, as well.

The recruit didn't kill last night, lending more credence to my theory that one of BWT, Epi, and bea is them. So I'll be looking mostly at Epi and BWT today.

S~V~S, I don't think anyone ever said Kate voters were the only possible baddies. Especially considering there are 2 baddie teams and an assortment of SKs.

And yes, I do remember that, Devin! So cool.

Linki: What, Epi?

Looking at the poll, though, a LOT of people I feel very iffy about voted Gleam, and some people I feel fairly good about went for Aces. BWT being a notable exception. So I'll vote Aces.

I'm a little torn here. I get that it makes practical sense to use this poll as a bonus lynch, and part of me is inclined to do so and vote Vomps or BDH. I don't completely trust any of them, for various reasons, but two of them have been hinting pretty darn strongly that they're civ. I'm not sure whether that should give me pause or make me think they're badder, since they can't point out civ things they've done. SD also pinged me at some point, but I'd have to read back to see why.

Another part of me wants to see Gleam go, because he's been by far the least helpful, and if he won as a baddie after doing nothing all game I'd be furious with myself. I do get the point (I think Lizzy was making it?) that not trying to get baddies at every turn is un-civ-friendly, though.

I forgot to say this yesterday and wanted to make a point of it. Now that the role secrets have revealed Zodac as a true indy and not an SK, I don't think finding him or lynching him should be a priority at all. I for one would be as thrilled to win with Zodac as without him. I also think this means we don't have to watch what we say at night as closely, because even if Zodac knows who we're going to lycnh, he'd theoretically onyl use his power to save himself and not to lynch civs.

Thanks for the analysis, Nev. Mathematically, it sounds like voting llama is a good move. However, I'd still very much like to hear from him, because my gut was screaming civ at me at the end of yesterday, and llama's a big asset if he's on our side.

Hedge, I agree it's not certain that BOB's minion is among those 3. Hopefully tonight brings a bit more clarity.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Also (and I would direct this question to anyone who has/will consider voting for me), what do you think of Epig?

I haven't been as pinged by Epi as a lot of people seem to, which is unusual for me. I remember saying that the case on him seemed like a party line, actually. Now I'm less sure. He's on my list of possible BOB recruits and possible Kate teammates, like you, so he's moved up a lot on my suspect list. I also thought your point about Dom supporting him was interesting.

Does anyone know if Dom and Epi (or BWT, for that matter) are friends irl? I think that if they are, Dom could have recruited Epi, because in every recruitment game I've been in, people tend to recruit people they'd have a good time being baddies with. Even if they're not, recruiting Epi could have been a good move because he's been a successful baddie in the past; I'm just wondering if anything else can shine light on the situation.

Also, bea, what were you trying to say yesterday? I feel like I wasn't getting it, and I'd like to.

Well now I'm completely lost. I guess I didn't know what you were saying after all. Hopefully you can clear it up at Night. Still comfortable with my BWT vote, though. Also,

bea wrote:streetwalker antaphrodisiac

hehe. I'm not into that either.

Gonna vote BWT, and push to lynch either him or Epi tomorrow. No reason to let people die needlessly.

Thanks? I think that means you agree with me. And the suspicion list doesn't have to do with your in-thread behavior. I didn't suspect you before on that and I still don't. So like I said, don't worry. I'm not flipping on you.

It's just votes: you're one of three people who could be the minion. But I really don't think it's you, based partly on your self-vote. And you also voted Kate for both the shield and the rezz. That means you could be on her team, but again, I doubt it because voting her both times seems too obvious.

Linki: Hahahahaha. Did you forget to insanify that last line? And I think I'm getting the gist, if not all the details.

Bea, what do you think of my BWT-or-not-BWT thoughts? Maybe a 'yes' or 'no' to voting him today will come out understandable.

Well, I didn't realize there were so many people left who hadn't voted. If you guys don't like the llama case either, we could easily have formed a voting bloc and stopped it.....

Also, you should read my last post please.

linki: Yay, bea read my post! And bea, as I said there, I find you the least suspicious of you, BWT, and Epi by a long shot. So don't worry about it too much. I hope that responds to what you were trying to say.

Or llama or Boomslang, since I see you guys too. I'm pretty torn on this.

Voting stuffz:

1) Sorry to everyone for being late; if I had been reading I'd have seen you wanted an early poll and read through sooner. Glad I have time to marinate in peace now, however, with the crazy linki you were all mentioning at peak hours.

2) Again, voting llama seems stupid, but that ship has sailed.

3) I think we should look at Kate voters in the rezz poll. Also, if I were bad, I would probably not vote a teammate to get the shield, at least not all together. Too risky. I suppose bea could still be bad, but I didn't suspect her before and I won't start on one rezz vote that 10 other people made as well. 'Goose, Epi, llama, SD, Devin, BWT, juliets, Vomps, Bullz, and Ace all voted Kate in the rezz poll without voting her for the shield. I think some of them are more suspicious than others. I didn't suspect Epi and Devin before, but between this and the discussion of their agreement I'll keep an eye that way from now on. Don't think it's worth voting on right now, though. I suspect BWT, as you all know, even given the reveal, since at least 50% of those are fake (and it looks more like 75%, now, if theories about the second one always being fake are true). I also don't like Vomps jumping on bandwagons and not posting; he usually just votes himself. Unusual behavior from him that makes me suspicious. And I don't have anything solid on Bullz, and I've been baddie with him a lot so maybe it's coloring my perception, but his tone seems off to me just a teensy bit.

4) BOB's minion is still out there, as far as I know, and it doesn't look like (s)he has attempted to kill anyone yet (SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME IF THAT IS FALSE). Based on who's gotten votes, the only players that would have been blocked both nights so far if they are a minion are bea, BWT, and Epi.

As you can see, 3 of those players fall on both of my lists, so I'll vote one of them.

Bea already self-voted, which seems un-minion-like to me, but maybe she's trying to cover her tracks. I don't know. As I said before, she hasn't pinged me much up to now. Epi already has 5 votes, so he won't be lynched today or kill tonight. May be worth considering tomorrow, though.

That brings me to BWT. I don't know what to do; I can vote him now and try to protect people in case he is a minion, or I can let him go voteless and get proof of whether he's a minion at the risk of letting someone die. DFaraday and Aces, any thoughts while you're here?

I'll take that into consideration, my furry friend.

Lizzy wrote: Also, if Moriarty's role revealing works something like - 50% real role/ 50% dead player's role, when Epi and I were revealed, only SVS had been dead, and Rey was killed by Bouncer, and INH by the butler via yours turely. So unless SVS or INH are Bouncer, it would make sense that you are too, Nev. You ducked two NK attempts in a row.

DharmaHelper wrote:Actually looking at the list of kills, it seems like either Kate or FH were big daddy.

So I'm cornfused. Kate was Big Daddy then, right? Not Nev?

thellama73 wrote:Funny, I am AWOL for most of the game and get left alone. The minute I get some free tie and start actually participating, I am lynched. This is what I always say is the fundamental flaw in this game.

I agree. This is a damn shame, and it happens too often (just happened to me in WWE as well).

I've been giving llama this all game for not participating. I'm not gonna vote him on the first day he actually shows up. Although it looks like this has been decided already.

Epignosis wrote: SNOW DAY NO WORK TOMORROW

ME TOO!

Caught up on lots. Responding to things I quoted in order they were posted, not necessarily an order that makes sense.

Nevinera wrote: All I will say is that I have done more for the civ cause than anyone else in the game, and that I cannot explain that remark.

Weird....I do think it's clear Nev is not a Big Daddy or a Manipulator, though. So that's good.

juliets wrote: Also, speaking of the poll, we have been spreading out the vote just a little - not a lot - to try and deal with Bob's minion. Bob's minion can kill unless s/he gets a vote so if we can block them with a vote they can't kill. We don't try and cover everyone though or we would end up not lynching anyone.

I had forgotten about this! We should definitely be finding this minion, although since she/he is all alone the other baddies are probably more of a priority.

Epignosis wrote:I will not really be available. I finally got a novel I'm supposed to read for my online course, and I have to write about it before midnight tonight. So I'm sure I'll have seventeen pages to catch up on when I do read through.

Me too, man.

thellama73 wrote: This late in the game, however, we have a lot to go on, and lynching non-participants may be satisfying, but it is not a winning strategy for the civvies. In fact, it only benefits baddies.

I hope that is quite clear.

I have said this to you for months now, in many many games, and now you finally come around???

insertnamehere wrote:So, the name from the program is Dom. Once again, this isn't by any means a 100% decision. In fact, Day 1 is the day most likely for the Program to be incorrect, due to the small sample size. I'll be able to narrow it down more and more as the game goes on. I'm voting for Dom, but I wouldn't mind if I'm the only one, just to be safe in case of BOB.

Dear God, he DID have a program!

Spacedaisy wrote:This has been a rough couple days for me. Got word that someone who was like a little sister to me died in a car wreck yesterday morning. Couldn't sleep for more than an hour at a time last night. Needless to say I am not much I the mood for srsbsns mafia. Going to go nap.

That's horrible news, Annie. Wishing you peace.

Hi everyone,

I have a very busy week ahead, including being out of town Thurs. and Fri., and my computer is in its death throes. I'll try to be engaged, but if I don't, that's why. Just fair warning.

I'll probably catch up and decide who to vote tomorrow evening, because I'm tired and frustrated right now and I'll be busy during the day tomorrow.

Mongoose wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:
Defecate on a danish! THE CINNAMON CHALLENGE! We're doing it! But maybe we should wait until next time, so Devin can be there too....Speaking of which, bummer you're out for tonight, man. I'm looking forward to meeting the man behind the legend.

I literally laughed aloud.

Mongoose wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote: Son of a bitch, I knew I was forgetting about something this weekend!!! I will text you shortly

Is it finally time for the Cinnamon Challenge then, Dev?

Defecate on a danish! THE CINNAMON CHALLENGE! We're doing it! But maybe we should wait until next time, so Devin can be there too....Speaking of which, bummer you're out for tonight, man. I'm looking forward to meeting the man behind the legend.

Mongoose wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:Does anyone out there doubt the revealed identities of any of the lynched players?

Well crap on a croissant. I thought about that earlier in the game but failed to apply it here. Honestly, we don't know who Kate, FH, or SVS are, so I think picking any 3 out of them is as safe as we are going to get.

linki - Egip - Indeed. And why she tried to erroneously help out OK Computer.

I don't currently have any reason to doubt any of those players' identities. I don't think it'll hurt to keep an eye on them once they're back, but they certainly won't be at the top of my list.

Bea, you said BF was fearmongering. I think BDH is, and I don't like being scared

Epignosis wrote:Hey BigDamnHero:

What would you say if I told you that I know your role?

This is why I think Epi and some of you other champions are sooooo good at mafia. I have only once in my entire mafia career figured out an individual player's role. It was Epi, actually, as the baddie leader, and then I got lynched for figuring it out, which was really frustrating. I do not at all understand people who can keep spreadsheets with possible roles and figure out who people are. So to you all.

Also, who is this person ----------------------- and why do they get to be on the poll twice? I wanna be on a rezz poll twice if I die! :P

RIP, FH and DP! Sorry I was wrong about you, DP.

bea wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I find it kinda funny that all of the people I suspected voted for Epig

Interesting point devin - here's the thing with the Epi voters:

there's really been no case made against epi this phase. Like at all. It's picking something that was waaaaaay ages ago (his repetition of he who shall not be named's name.) and his lack of perceived punishment for it. I'd much rather see, you know, a case on epi.

This is a really interesting point, to me. Did it also seem to you guys that the Epi "case" was kind of a party line? Like, people all saying the same thing but in their own words, as if it were pre-planned? I'm not saying I think everyone who voted Epi is on the same team, that would be monumentally stupid. Just that the thoughts on the case weren't super original.

I'll be keeping a eye there for sure.

I think I'll vote AP, Dom, and INH to come back. FH, S~V~S, and Lizzy, though, for realz.

Mongoose, that's probably true. One of the roles (the Villager? I forget) removes a player from the poll daily.

Dev, you took what I was gonna say (about DH)!

DP, anything to say in response to allegations you're Zodac? Do you have any idea how you survived last night? I know it's probably too late, but it'd still be nice to hear from you.

juliets wrote:Mongoose, you are right it was hedge!

Also Russti Dom's death was not a deflection. The post states Zodac killed Dom. Or did you mean something else?

But Zodac put Dom in the middle of a lynch mob we formed to kill DP. That to me made it read like a deflection. I could be wrong, but I tend to think of the details in MP's posts as meaningful.

And I agree, spreading too much may not help us find BOB's minion. It could stop them from killing, though. At the very least, voting for a few players in addition to lynch candidates will either clear them or narrow our suspect pool a great deal.

Gonna go ahead and vote DP, I don't see anything changing my mind today.

Oh, Elo is already covered, and DP has 2 votes. And I guess juliets is going to cover bea. Good job, guys.

Sorry for more big posts. Just musing for now.

I also think it's weird the modkill last night didn't even to deflect to the person with the second most votes. Dom was on the poll, but got no votes. Unless MP has a beef with Dom (which I very much doubt), it got deflected to a random player on the poll.

I think we've caught a baddie BWT. Someone let me know if I'm getting tunnel vision on that though. However, if DP really is Zodac, he's probably an even bigger priority for now. And I think Elo and bea should be covered.

MovingPictures07 wrote: You will be told that person's role as well as the fact that they are a minion.

Yay!!

And someone said something about minions holding kills. Idk if that could happen here, because in Twin Peaks we were required to kill if we didn't receive votes. So we should be able to narrow it down fairly quickly.

I wish votes came with timestamps! The NIght 2 poll (the one in which BOB recruited) was the shield poll, so it's entirely possible he picked bea to get the shield. However, Dom himself actually voted Elo with vote 19, and then bea got votes 21-25. Maybe Dom meant to get Elo the shield and recruit her. If Dom was in the thread as bea's votes rolled in, he could've switched his target. I think we should probably keep them both covered, just to be safe.

The more I think about it, the more I think DP surviving a modkill could mean he's Zodac. It makes sense for such a powerful indie role to be able to save itself, but not really for it to be able to save other random people.

I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why bea got so many shield poll votes, and especially so many late ones. I don't think the baddies would be that obvious as to group all their votes like that for a teammate, so maybe baddies voted her so they could be proven right later, or maybe they had the first few votes for her and got the train a-rollin'. I think baddies must be involved somehow though, because that many civs deciding that independently seems far-fetched.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: So your case revolves around me backing off from bea then, and not me being blendy? I got new evidence that I hadn't noticed before, so yes, my opinion probably changed there. Anything else or was that it?

More or less, but I think you're missing the scope.

In the shield poll, the only thing any civ has incentive to do is to vote the person they think is most civ-like for the shield, so it doesn't end up in the hands of baddies and get passed back and forth (I htink that happened in MOTU). So if you voted bea, you thought she was the most civ-like player in the game.

The next day, she was one of your top 2 candidates for lynch, indicating she was one of the two people you thought were least likely to be civ. She jumped over 25 spots on your "Top Baddies" list overnight!! However, I think your case was weak and that you purposely worded it to be able to drop it later. Backing off is fine by me, especially if new info shows up, which it did. Wording things flimsily so nothing sticks to you seems baddie in my opinion.

Wow, just noticed Epi voted early! Do you think DP is bad, or are you just mad he's not participating? And did you vote early to incite other people to, to avoid the Piranha Plant, or for some other reason?

Mongoose wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:
I'd love to hear from llama, too. He's been uncharacteristically silent.

He has been insanely busy IRL

Good to know. Hopefully he has time to play soon!

By the way, agleam, you're now the low poster. I know you wrote that you would be catching up; any thoughts up to this point?

I'd love to hear from llama, too. He's been uncharacteristically silent.

I wish we could tag people in these posts, so they'd get a notification they're being talked about and come respond.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:By Bob! Can't say I'll miss you! Sorry Dom
Kate.

Bullz, I was just going to say that I thought it was the Manipulators' kill attempt on Nev both times, as well. Maybe I misread it this time? Maybe it's just a coincidence. Idk.

But I will be looking at BWT and llama today. Btw, did anyone bother rereading my conversation with him? I'd like feedback on that.

Dev, is this what you mean about BWT and llama agreeing? That all indies should die?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:
I tend to agree. Indies are unknowable loose cannons and in this game what we don't know can kill us.

Unless we get an indy role that specifically states they have to win with the civs, I tend to never fully trust them. Especially when they almost always have secrets, and could potentially have the ability to kill. No thanks.

S~V~S wrote:I guess I have been holding stupid opinions since 2009, since this has always been my opinion of Indy roles in general.

It's the same one I've always held, so it certainly can't be stupid!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:@Dom: I already mentioned why I think Epig is bad. I feel he's trying to keep us from making another attempt at lynching redacted. I feel like he's making an awful lot of assumptions about Zodac's powers remaining unchanged (I honestly don't believe MP would do that).

I do have a question for you though. Why are you willing to trust Epig so much when you've admitted that he's backpedaling? Because I don't see insistence being a good enough reason to go along with someone.

This is interesting. Why did Dom trust Epi so much? Was he trying to gain civ cred, or protecting his first recruit? Not saying it's worth lynching Epi over, it just caught my eye as I read BWT.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Why me, Russ? I feel like I remember you saying why, but it's slipped my mind and I'm tired and can't remember.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't get the logic for Lizzy, especially given she supported the wacky software idea. And the people voting for Elo because Epig sees her civ game doesn't fly with me. Although I hardly ever buy the "Because I know the person better IRL, I'm better at reading them" argument. I think all the times MP and I have been wrong about each other is enough evidence of that lol.

I am however willing to throw a vote toward bea. She seems fairly involved and is asking lots of questions and examining multiple aspects, which I generally like to see from her.

Night 2. This is for the shield poll. You voted bea, indicating you thought she was the most civ person in the whole game.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Right now I'm in between bea (for what I mentioned before) and Lizzy for what Epig mentioned about her. But I don't feel terribly strongly about either one, and could be persuaded to look elsewhere.

I'm also going to take the leap of faith and assume that each name on the poll corresponds to that person. Although I get the feeling we're going to be proven wrong about that one.

Day 3, lynch poll. Now you suspect the person you were most sure was a civ yesterday. "what you mentioned before" was bea advocating leaving BOB alone, not realizing he was an SK. She had actually corrected her position before you posted, but I guess you didn't see what she wrote after that post. The case also just seems wishy-washy to me, and leaves a not of room for backing out if you are bad and your case doesn't stick.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: I did miss that response from you. Sorry about that.

That pretty much addresses my concerns about you, so I think we're okay for now.

Then you voted Lizzy and backed off, after I called you on your strange case and bea addressed your points.

Since then, you've alleged that my case on you was that you're blendy. It's not, and it never was. I always see you as blendy, so I don't take it as a sign of alignment.

Mongoose wrote: Russti hoss, you have me in stitches. I say "Poop on a Pineapple" and "Crap on a Catapault" a lot IRL and Leslie Knope from Parks & Rec does similarly. Also, your suggestions were hilarous. I like to mix them up. I say "Poop on a Porcupine" IRL but not while on-site because I don't want it to sound like I'm impugning DP's hygiene.

Thanks! Wow, there's a whole universe of gluten-free items we could be pooping on, and I never even considered it!

Glad you guys figured out the Piranha Plant thing. Nev, I agree with you that Zodac's power shouldn't have applied to what wasn't really a lynch poll, and given DP's posts after I was thinking it had something to do with him specifically. What is interesting is that it wasn't a lynch save, and it switched a fatal punishment to another player. I'll read the role list and see what I get.

• Mr. Henderson - [Sgt. Pepper's] – Using his amazing gymnastic abilities, Mr. Henderson can avoid being hit by a night target; without knowing what the power was, he will randomly redirect it to someone else.

^ This shouldn't work, because a modkill isn't techinically a night target.

• Sander Cohen – [Bioshock] – Controller and head of Fort Frolic, Cohen is an artist gone mad, to say the least. Now that he has finished his masterpiece, the Quadytch, he is content, only angered by those who dare to doubt him. He survives the first two attempts on his life, whether by lynch or by nightkill. Every odd night, he may use his camera to take a picture of any deceased individual, revealing their role to him. Wins by surviving, but only if everyone else alive has never doubted him.

^ And this shouldn't work, because it's not a redirect.

I'm stumped. Idk how DP survived, much less redirected the kill. I'm glad he did, and it makes me lean veeeeery slightly civ on him, but it's pretty darn mysterious.

Flyin' High wrote: But unfortunately the wording is so incredibly vague in the night post that I don't think we can know for sure at this point whether or not it was the Minion that tried to kill.

I also agree that we can't really assume it was the minion killing. I'd think it would have said so in the post.

I didn't play the previous AG game. Did the Exaggerator's power work from beyond the grave in that?

Also, is it weird to anyone else that MP stated so plainly that there was a minion? I hate to overanalyze night posts, and I believe the statement, I'd just have thought he'd leave us hanging.

I should also say, I'm looking BWT's way today. I think there are other candidates out there worth watching as well, though, especially after the night post, so hopefully we can have a rip-roaring discussion.

Mongoose wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Does anyone remember >SpaghettiEverywhere Everywhere?

Was that the lynch poll with all options listed as Spaghetti Everywhere?

I forgot about this! Great times.

Whoa! That was an eventful night. I never thought I'd say this, but thank you Zodac! RIPIYWG, Kate. And good job surviving a second lynch, Nev, as long as you're civ.

Mongoose wrote: So Bob is dead, but the minions can still use their night power, which is a NK (unless one of us voted them that day). And they still have BTSC. But no more recruitment. There's only been one even night, so Bob has one minion max (if he didn't get blocked, etc). Looks like it would be very hard to win with that recruitment win condition now that Bob has bit it.

Let me know if you see any fallacies with my logic above.

'Goosey, having been a minion in Twin Peaks, this sounds right. Luckily, with BOB gone so early, we should have time to find the minion using the lynch polls and kill attempts as evidence.

Mongoose wrote:Feces on funnel cake, that's a lot to process.

DP - what do you think about what's been occurring over the last few days? Got any pings?

How many of these solid-human-waste-on-wheaty-treats sayings are there? I know there's crap on a cracker, now there's feces on a funnel cake....What about poop on a pancake? Shit on a scone? Doo-doo on a donut? Am I missing more?

As for DP, what do people make of Zodac saving him? In MOTU, iirc, Zodac was an indie, and though there was lots of speculation about how he "brought balance to (stuff)", I don't remember him actually doing anything like that. He couldn't have a teammate, could he?

I read it the same as you guys, Boom and Bullz.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Get it on in there, guys.

Awww! You beat me to it, Epi! I was eating supper too. I love supper....

I agree that Lizzy is the best lead we have currently, though it's a shame because I think I've been seeing her civ game (which fits if she is Jack Nicholson). That said, I think (hope) that she has enough votes, so I'll help by spreading it out.

bea makes a good point on BWT. Someone accused him of being blendy before, but that's always how I see BWT no matter what, so I tried not to read into it too much. Accusing bea because of her post saying BOB could help but not reading her other post is strange. The post of his the bea quoted reads to me as trying to plant suspicion while leaving plenty of room to back off if it doesn't catch, which seems like a baddie move to me.

*votes BWT*

This isn't entirely against you, but more of a generalization I've felt lately. I know a lot of people tend to say they find me "blendy" or "hard to read" often, and I often get votes for it. But that's more my playstyle than anything else. And no, it's not something I plan on changing anytime soon. :P

Linki: I've been agreeing with llama? I don't remember that happening directly. If it did, would you mind pointing it out?

Linki2: Called what? That I would change my mind on bea? Where are you coming from, Russ?

BWT, in my post I actually said I was trying NOT to find you suspicious because you were "blendy". I ended up voting you because I thought you were pulling a case out of thin air on bea, and leaving yourself room to back off if it didn't stick. You backed off her shortly after my post, which is why I called it.

I don't know anything about you agreeing with llama, though I'd like to see if Devin would mind pulling quotes about it.

Damn, RIP Lizzy.

Spacedaisy wrote:Russ, I follow now. Sorry to have not considered that fact. I will bear it in kind in future votes.

No worries, Daisy. I know you were catching up. Just something to keep in mind.

This poll cracks me up. I'll most likely go for DP; I've been harping on him for days. I wanna read the cases first, though.

And does this mean we're headed to Rolling Stones World next?

Spacedaisy wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:And to Daisy: NOOOOOOO! Putting 2 votes on someone is the worst thing you can do!

I must be missing something.... Why?

There's this character, BOB. Every even night he recruits a minion, so he has one now. His minions may kill nightly if they have not received any votes. So, spreading the vote may save lives. Alternatively, voting for someone you're really suspicious of can help. Putting a second vote on someone doesn't really increase the chances of lynching them but also doesn't improve our chances of not being murdered at night.

Linki Update: Now BWT doesn't suspect bea any more. Am I allowed to say I called it?

And to Daisy: NOOOOOOO! Putting 2 votes on someone is the worst thing you can do!

Hhahahahaha! This game gets better and better. WB man, as long as you're good.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting DH> I have found him pushy and somewhat discussion stifling this game.

I am voting llama:

My INH lynch conversation with him being the biggest reason. He sounded very defeatist when we were discussing Zodac and was very much unwilling to accept that there are ways to avoid a Zodac lynch-switch. I can find the quotes if anyone wants me to, but I believe he said something to the affect of 'we might as well just keep voting for the most suspicious person and let Zodac dictate the lynches' (I'm paraphrasing, of course). This is not the same llama I know and love to play with. He has also seemed quite reserved at times in this game. Civ llama is usually right out in the middle of everything trying to uncover baddies left and right.

I don't trust him this game. *votes*

Linki: Jesus Christ Monkey Balls. Can't you people wait until I get my suspicion out there?

This post is interesting to me. I'm definitely seeing a very different llama than I have recently. It hasn't made me think of a bad llama so far, but I always think llama's normal game is bad, so maybe he's holding back because he wants to keep being a Champion? I'd love to hear from him regarding his change in style.