The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I want to congratulate SVS for playing an amazing game. She had Daisy and MP basically disappear on her because of the wedding, Cookie who desperately didn't want to be a baddie, and Russ who got himself lynched almost instantly, and she still came really close to pulling it off. If she had survived this lynch and one more, she would have won.

Interesting side note, .Roxy had a lynch stop from one of the contests, and she was Mister Ford, so there was a possibility that her and SVS would be the last two players alive during a night phase. Roxy would have then gained Killface's Night Kill as a power, and they both would have killed each other, causing no one to win. I'm kind of sad that didn't happen.

To be fair, she did play a major role in getting me lynched haha. I lost two ties! And now it's 2 for 2 that when I am on SVS's team, we lose because she misses a vote (the other was Twin Peaks). And this time she missed after bemoaning how inactive her team was all game.

Im not bitter or anything, SVS. Even If you had tied the lunch it was a long shot, and you were put in a tough spot by your teammates. Just trying to say that llama is making me sound like a total deadbeat here, and I was actually trying to help as much as my schedule and game circumstances allowed.

You weren't a deadbeat, we just had bad timing. I hate bussing, and did not want to do it, but I figured you had RL, and literally I voted for you as a desperation move, and went to the chatroom, and there you were, lol. I felt horrible, but I was barely holding it over water, backtracking would have been fatal for us both.

Really, the main reason we lost is that I totally forgot my own power (double vote) day one and voted carelessly, and spent the rest of the game playing hide & seek. You did the best you could with a bad hand, a bad hand dealt mostly by me, as you say

Yeah I am still now shocked that no one found you after Day 1. And I didn't mean to blame you for my struggles; you did the best you could. I didn't realize you had been waiting on me and wanted to avoid bussing me. And I had plenty of suspicion regardless. For all that, we still did pretty well.

thellama73 wrote:I want to congratulate SVS for playing an amazing game. She had Daisy and MP basically disappear on her because of the wedding, Cookie who desperately didn't want to be a baddie, and Russ who got himself lynched almost instantly, and she still came really close to pulling it off. If she had survived this lynch and one more, she would have won.

Interesting side note, .Roxy had a lynch stop from one of the contests, and she was Mister Ford, so there was a possibility that her and SVS would be the last two players alive during a night phase. Roxy would have then gained Killface's Night Kill as a power, and they both would have killed each other, causing no one to win. I'm kind of sad that didn't happen.

To be fair, she did play a major role in getting me lynched haha. I lost two ties! And now it's 2 for 2 that when I am on SVS's team, we lose because she misses a vote (the other was Twin Peaks). And this time she missed after bemoaning how inactive her team was all game.

Im not bitter or anything, SVS. Even If you had tied the lunch it was a long shot, and you were put in a tough spot by your teammates. Just trying to say that llama is making me sound like a total deadbeat here, and I was actually trying to help as much as my schedule and game circumstances allowed.

Epignosis wrote:

sig wrote:I want to lynch Saber today I'm very certain he is mafia.

Either he is Phil or Killer, if he isn't Phil or Killer then SVS is killer. Those are the only reasons why the lynch didn't go through.

The only way I can see that Saberfish isn't Dr. Phil is if he's Mr. Ford and got Dr. Phil's power.

I agree with this. I'm gonna go ahead and vote Saberfish now.

Epi, as for DP, he has made exactly one post every full day (Day + Night). He did help us get ika, and I don't really see an angle where that would be a clever bus, since he basically hasn't played the game otherwise. On the other hand, I suppose he could be Killface lying super low. I definitely don't see any reason to go after him today, at least, since the Saberfish case is very compelling.

I reread Roxy as well. I don't consider myself a very good Roxy reader at all, but I didn't see anything overtly suspcious. I'll keep an eye on her, but I'm not currently getting baddie vibes.

I am leaving for Chicago now and will probably get back Sunday afternoon, although there's a slight chance I'll be back tomorrow evening instead. Roxy won't like it, seeing as she think I look as bad as Saberfish for not contributing, but what can you do. I may be able to post at one or 2 points during my trip.

Or you could vote Saber! Don't forget that option!

Well it seems like there are only 2 ways to go here. I don't want to die and I'm not bad, so I'm voting Saberfish.

And Roxy, I get that I haven't contributed a lot yet, but I'm hoping I can improve tomorrow and beyond. It has taken me a bit longer lately to get into games (which is not meant as an excuse, just an unfortunate fact). Today I was mostly dealing with a false info dump, but i did reread and give reads on 4 players. I'll get the other half either this evening or overnight.

Also, it got very very late. I need to sleep. Unfortunately, I haven't come across any super obvious baddies in my readthroughs. Even S~V~S reads ok except for her super bizarre, unexplained suspicion of Daisy and me. She's wrong, and I'd say she's just lying, but otherwise her posts read helpful.

It probably doesn't matter a whole lot, as it's looking like I'll have to save my vote for self-defense. Regardless, I'll offer some thoughts on the rest of the players after work tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

I agree with your philosophy...but I don't pretend things. Once they are in the thread, they are there. I tried to play coy with S~V~S even though I don't like playing coy.

I enjoyed meeting you and I thank you for subbing in. And thanks so much for not killing me if you are bad.

How are you just now meeting Russ?

I'm the guy in the white shirt, pink/silver tie, he's the guy in the back about to crash into the ceiling.

Haha. Yes meeting you was awesome regardless. And I didn't not kill you, but I understand your viewpoint even though I very strongly disagree with it.

Skipping the gf, then will read more. Might as well try to contribute while I'm here.

G-Man seems like normal G-Man to me, which is basically unreadable due to the posting style. Which I'm sure is the point.

Linki: I'm glad you're coming clean on it, but it's still a shitty way to play. Pardon the strong language, but it is. If S~V~S won't make a case on me, then you should probably ignore her. Or if you think there's something to it (which clearly you do), make a case of your own about me. Or even suspect her for being defiantly lazy. A suspicion with no case whatsoever has no actual merit in a real game of mafia.

Wow, Saber is a quick read.

So the first thing to strike me is that me/Daisy already have more posts than him (and I almost do alone). He says he's new to online mafia, so maybe he doesn't get that the whole posting = helping thing.

He also hasn't quoted or built any cases, which again, could be a new player thing.

I dunno, he could very well be mafia, but there's just so little to go on that I don't even see how we could tell.

Linki: See? Cheating. Shame on you S~V~S for implying info (which, again, is false), and also shame on Epi for using it. Even if she did have info, that would be a shitty way to win. Play the game. You're not doing that if you rely on info dumping.

I have always hated both real and false info dumps, as you guys know, but it is INFURIATING to be the victim of a fake info dump. This is stupid.

Linki: Yeah having read your previous posts, you were at least suspicious of Daisy before. It caught my eye that that suspicion came up very suddenl as well. But you took a wait and see approach at first, and then as soon as this days phase opened came at me hard. I think it was definitely taken by a lot of people as insinuating you had info.

And I didn't sub into a bad situation (other than you suspecting me).

Gonna read Saberfish now and see what all the fuss is.

Epignosis wrote:And no, suspicion from you alone does not count when you are the one saying someone is taking suspicion. The claim has no meat. Suggesting that it does implies that everyone in the game who has been suspected from anyone at any time is "taking suspicion."

If you want me to vote Russ, I need to be convinced, and I can be convinced. "She's bad" won't do it though.

Epignosis wrote:OK.

I am prepared to lynch Russtifinko, but I would like a close second by one vote- Saberfish. Can that be arranged?

Roxy wrote:Sorry for not being around.

I am willing to lynch Saberfish. If Epi was right about all the mafia being new players I will never hear the end of it in future games.

I am beginning to wonder if SVS knows something that we all don't - specifically that Daisy now Russti is bad. I personally did not read Daisy as bad but thought MP was. I am only going on gut maybe SVS has more than just gut. Idk but we do have time to discuss.

I liked the vote analysis it will give me something to pour over before tomorrows lynch.

Epignosis wrote:Look, I get it. You and Roxy are Hooker and Old Spice. You have info. I understand.

Jesus.

Voting Russ. Whatever.

Roxy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Look, I get it. You and Roxy are Hooker and Old Spice. You have info. I understand.

Jesus.

Voting Russ. Whatever.

I thought we were trying for a close tie between Saberfish and Russ? Do you still want that to happen? Bc I do. Stop trying to shove me into a role where I do not fit.

Objection! So you guys don't buy the non-case against me, but you're all willing to just lynch me because S~V~S says so and is hinting she has info?

That's truly lame. And I think there are very few wrong ways to play mafia, but that is one of them. It's cheating. And furthermore, I'm not bad. If you think she's got me pegged, you're being suckered. And if S~V~S did have info on me, I'd expect her to play it better than this. Coming in with no case on someone you haven't been suspicious of before right as a night period ends is info dumping and it's wrong. You guys should judge me on what little play I can scrap together today, and not just lynch me because you think someone else is some role and is using their role in a game-destroying, fun-sucking way.

G-Man wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

Whoa! Again, I was at a wedding. Even if I hadn't been, that's a super early vote. Gimme a chance to talk during the day, maybe. Trying to head off a lynch train on yourself?

Signs point to yes

Russtifinko wrote:Just so I'm clear, are Epi and sig's recent posts about Killface role-based process of elimination,

My reply is no

Russtifinko wrote:or just suspicions of what looks like baddie behavior?

As I see it, yes

sig wrote:WHy kill Mac's Mom he did nothing? Saberfish voted for Mac's Mom he was the only player to do so. Could he have killed Mac's Mom?


@Russtifinko no idea for Epi my posts are a combination of post. I've been harping on my Killerface thoughts since when I started posting.
I think Saberfish is Killerface though I will wait to vote to see everyones thoughts on this

Ok, thanks for the clarifications guys.

And there are actually only 9 people left alive?? I thought some people were just off the poll or something! That's crazy.

S~V~S wrote:Holy cow, that's a lot of dead people.

Work, and another game just starting (plus I don't want to miss another vote) so i am going to vote now, for Russti. Replacing into a baddie role already taking suspicion is not easy, which is part of why I think Russti hs not even made an attempt to represent. I am pretty sure that Daisy was bad, which means he is too.

*vote Russti*

Whoa! Again, I was at a wedding. Even if I hadn't been, that's a super early vote. Gimme a chance to talk during the day, maybe. Trying to head off a lynch train on yourself?

Just so I'm clear, are Epi and sig's recent posts about Killface role-based process of elimination, or just suspicions of what looks like baddie behavior? I'm not seeing how it could be the former, but they seem so certain that it reads that way.

Am I right to say there are 11 civs, 5 baddies, and 5 indies, btw?

Hi everyone! Sorry I missed yesterday - I didn't know when the hiatus ended. Also, I was so tired yesterday that I almost fell asleep while using the restroom. A DaisySock wedding can really take it out of a guy!

Anyway, great job on the lynch, Blooper! Was it luck that we won the tie, or do we know how those are handled?

Well hai there everyone!


Wow, 28 pages. Lucky for me I joined at Night. llama said we go on pause tomorrow for the wedding, so hopefully I can catch up by (or more likely on) Sunday or Monday.