The Syndicate

Wow! We got completely shellacked. Rarely have I seen such utter domination from baddies. And my next two suspects were a civ and the indie.

Well played, you putrid piggies.

Hey really sorry about missing the vote yesterday, everyone. I refreshed the page Sunday night and no new posts came up, so I didn't even bother checking yesterday because I thought the day wouldn't be underway.

I promise to vote tomorrow, if that helps any.

Also, I'm still not totally sure why DF got lynched and not Blooper. That seems like a major blunder to me. I mean, the hard evidence of the poll removals seems to indicate that she is bad.

Well, many words I can't say in front of Simon. Sorry, guys. I feel like I let the team down there. So, is it LoRab then, or am I way off base there too?

The baddies have had us way bamboozled this game, and I dunno if it's them playing well or just us playing really, really poorly.

fingersplints wrote:I wish you had waited to vote Russ! I don't want to spread the vote too much, but I am not sure I feel strongest about llama. I'm not sold there. However I do find you to be my most trusted now that FZ is gone (and not including Made who I still think is most likely a bird but paranoid about that)

I feel much more strongly that Lorab is bad. She has been waffling on her suspicions, and it feels a lot like she is agreeing with people and jumping on their suspicions. (I was once her number one suspect, but what happened to that? Seems like she abandoned that once the more vocal civvies - MP and FZ - did not take the bait)

Also, I don't do well thought out, llama

I mean, I'm reasonably convinced LoRab is bad too. However, I personally am a teeny bit more convinced on llama. I felt I needed to vote early and come out strong to prevent people being swayed by what he and LoRab have been saying, and from reading llama's posts right before I voted I was (and still am) as convinced he is bad as I ever have been about anyone.

I agree with you that spreading the vote out is a bad idea, though. Obviously, I think llama is the way to go. I don't know how anyone could read his posts and think this is civ him. Llama plays a goofy game, but he's a logical thinker, and his Golden Egg theory makes absolutely no sense at all. It is actually conflicted by posts we've gotten from Epi. He led a lynch on TinyBubbles, setting it up from Day 1, and keeps mentioning and voting and pushing people early, but refuses to build a case on them because he's scared we'll use them to "trap" him.

thellama73 wrote:

Made wrote:Ok, lets do this. Llama, who you currently suspect, and going forward, keeping in mind how wrong you've been (really how wrong all of us have been). In my head, you specifically come accross as a let's lynch x, let's lynch y, with some reasoning, but no overarching theories that link multiple players over mulitple days. very in the moment play.

This feels like a trap.

He refuses to make any argument for why he's civ. He even changes the topic back to "Hey, guys, lynch Made" when FZ. brings it up.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: I think we're looking at a non civ llama.
llama, if you are a civ, you're welcome to prove me wrong. We need some civvie contribution here. If not, I might vote for you.

I am civ, but not especially interested in producing "proof" since I know that such a thing is not possible without violating the rules of the game.
Lynch Made. If he flips bad, you know that I am either civvie or a baddie who will throw teammates under the bus at the slightest provocation.

If you can manage to get a big enough coalition on LoRab without me, I'd fully support that too. You'd need commitments before you voted though, to avoid splitting it or having baddie shenanigans. But a llama lynch is easier since he already has my vote, and in my opinion he's the more obvious baddie here.

Elohcin wrote:I think we ought to vote blooper for the same reason you voted lacey, llama. Why would anyone want to take her off the pole unless she was bad?

Yeah, I would've considered her too if she were an option.

Boomslang wrote:

LoRab wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Yup, it's lipsticklacey, boomslang, blooper, and one more. Not sure who yet. Guaranteed that those three are bad though.

What makes you say this? Besides Blooper today, everyone who's been of the poll could've been put there by the baddie or civvie remover.

Because my theory is that the baddies have obtained the egg we passed around at the beginning and are distributing it amongst themselves. I will say that Blooper is the one I most suspect though, based on her posting content. She's very under the radar this game, which experience teaches me means a bad Blooper.

I agree with this, about the egg, which is why I'm not fully confident about Made's role. I 'm not advocating to lynch him today, but I also don't trust him.

I want to hear why Lacey had been planning on voting FZ (she posted before the last lynch end that who she planned to vote for was off the poll--and she was the other person off the poll). I am fairly confident at this point that she's bad.

And I kind of keep forgetting that Blooper is playing, so I agree under the radar.

I don't know boomslang at all, so don't really have a read there.

I'm also not sure about Blooper. Her vote justifications are generally based on drive-bys, although in the latest case, she voted Made because she thought we'd "get information." That justification always seems a little mercenary to me, but eh, whatever. Interestingly, it would be a brilliant play to say that lynching Made would give us intel if the two of them were on the baddie team and Made had the golden egg. Simplicity would lead us to think that the information we got was Made = Chuck, clearing his name for the rest of the game.

DON'T BUY INTO THE GOLDEN EGG BALONEY, BOOMSLANG!

My responses in....this....color.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Hmmm, only one person off the poll today, and it's Ninja Blooper. To me, that MAY be an indication that our protector was NKed on Night 3, and that the piggy protector is the only one left.

Since they can't have known they'd killed the bird protector, it makes the most sense to me that the piggies would protect one of their own, not knowing it would be revealed. I am actually nearly as convinced that Blooper is bad as I am about llama.

As an aside, it's really nice that it's so clear who's bad and who's not in this game. Piggies bad, birdies good. Simple. These games with well-meaning "baddies" are confusing. :P

Or said player is still alive, and happened to also target nijuukyugou. Not that it matters either way. We have Gale left, probably four mafia left, and 6 civilians left.

Yeah, what you said is possible. I am simply stating that it is the most likely scenario.

thellama73 wrote:Question: is it possible the baddies got ahold of the egg and have been passing it around amongst themselves? We might find a clue by who was removed from previous polls, since Blooper is definitely bad.

There is one civilian role and one mafia role that can remove players from the poll each night.

Llama, are you now saying the Golden Egg removes people from the poll? Again, we have seen no evidence of this whatsoever, and it's another inconsistency in your ridiculous egg theory. As MM pointed out, there are two role powers that do this.

Russtifinko wrote:

LoRab wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Yup, it's lipsticklacey, boomslang, blooper, and one more. Not sure who yet. Guaranteed that those three are bad though.

What makes you say this? Besides Blooper today, everyone who's been of the poll could've been put there by the baddie or civvie remover.

Because my theory is that the baddies have obtained the egg we passed around at the beginning and are distributing it amongst themselves. I will say that Blooper is the one I most suspect though, based on her posting content. She's very under the radar this game, which experience teaches me means a bad Blooper.

I agree with this, about the egg, which is why I'm not fully confident about Made's role. I 'm not advocating to lynch him today, but I also don't trust him.

I want to hear why Lacey had been planning on voting FZ (she posted before the last lynch end that who she planned to vote for was off the poll--and she was the other person off the poll). I am fairly confident at this point that she's bad.

And I kind of keep forgetting that Blooper is playing, so I agree under the radar.

I don't know boomslang at all, so don't really have a read there.

This is super far-fetched. We've never heard anything to indicate that the golden eggs were used beyond Day 1. More importantly, Epi's post said there were THREE of them. Do you really think Epi would make a mechanic where baddies could get access to powers that make them unlynchable and can be passed around indefinitely??? You're of course assuming they would have to be passed, because otherwise the host would have been creating three unkillable roles based on a Day 0 contest, which would either decide the game or make it unendable. That means it's a virtual certainty the baddies would eventually get all three, and it would be impossible for us to win.

You two are both SO BAD. Hopefully the rest of the civs will see through this thin veneer of manure disguised as theorizing and join me to get llama.

Russ, you've done a complete 180 on llama. You were agreeing with everything he said yesterday.

Quote or GTFO.Seriously, though, this is not true, but even if it were, I don't see how it matters. Llama wasn't doing overtly baddie things yesterday, and I was glad to see him in the game and talking like a baddie hunter, so I didn't actively suspect him. I never said I was convinced he was civ or anything like that.

Since then we've gotten new info, though. Made survived a lynch, which is a pretty big deal. Today llama is pulling nonsense out of thin air, not sincerely baddie hunting, and saying anything he thinks will get one more civ lynched so it's 5-4-1. Of course I started suspecting him, and of course it was recent. There was nothing to go on until yesterday, and he wasn't being obvious about it until today.

LoRab wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

LoRab wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Yup, it's lipsticklacey, boomslang, blooper, and one more. Not sure who yet. Guaranteed that those three are bad though.

What makes you say this? Besides Blooper today, everyone who's been of the poll could've been put there by the baddie or civvie remover.

Because my theory is that the baddies have obtained the egg we passed around at the beginning and are distributing it amongst themselves. I will say that Blooper is the one I most suspect though, based on her posting content. She's very under the radar this game, which experience teaches me means a bad Blooper.

I agree with this, about the egg, which is why I'm not fully confident about Made's role. I 'm not advocating to lynch him today, but I also don't trust him.

I want to hear why Lacey had been planning on voting FZ (she posted before the last lynch end that who she planned to vote for was off the poll--and she was the other person off the poll). I am fairly confident at this point that she's bad.

And I kind of keep forgetting that Blooper is playing, so I agree under the radar.

I don't know boomslang at all, so don't really have a read there.

This is super far-fetched. We've never heard anything to indicate that the golden eggs were used beyond Day 1. More importantly, Epi's post said there were THREE of them. Do you really think Epi would make a mechanic where baddies could get access to powers that make them unlynchable and can be passed around indefinitely??? You're of course assuming they would have to be passed, because otherwise the host would have been creating three unkillable roles based on a Day 0 contest, which would either decide the game or make it unendable. That means it's a virtual certainty the baddies would eventually get all three, and it would be impossible for us to win.

You two are both SO BAD. Hopefully the rest of the civs will see through this thin veneer of manure disguised as theorizing and join me to get llama.

I have played many games where there were helpful items that were passed around throughout the game. I don't think it's farfetched at all. I also assume, being eggs, that all 3 do not necessarily make it through the whole game. But I agree with Llama that the baddies got one of the eggs day 1 and have been passing it around there team. I've assumed that all along as the purpose of the day 0 thread to have an impact on the game as a whole. Or that the piggies somehow need the eggs, but because the king consumes them, they don't accumulate (as is implied in the role descriptions). Also, basing my thinking on how I recall the game working--I haven't played it in a while, but there being eggs is pretty consistant.

I'm not bad, but I can't speak for llama. I honestly have gone back and forth on him a few times.

Thiss makes not even a modicum of sense.

Epignosis wrote:Let's see what nastiness befalls you. According to Simon, the golden egg, "takes you to another level and you can't get hurt day or night." What kind of foolishness is that?

Gah! I regret that I ever meddled in this!

So there are 2 ways this could work. 1) The Golden Egg worked one day and night only. 2) For some unexplained reason that Epi and Simon didn't hint at in the slightest, eggs last forever and can be passed around, meaning the baddies automatically win. If this were the case at all, THE GAME WOULD BE COMPLETELY BROKEN. Immortal baddies means baddies win, which would be the dumbest thing I have ever heard of.

There's absolutely no support for this! Has anyone been passed a golden egg?? Clearly llama and/or you are making things up to distract us.

I'm frankly astounded people don't see what I'm seeing here. Am I missing something?

LoRab wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Yup, it's lipsticklacey, boomslang, blooper, and one more. Not sure who yet. Guaranteed that those three are bad though.

What makes you say this? Besides Blooper today, everyone who's been of the poll could've been put there by the baddie or civvie remover.

Because my theory is that the baddies have obtained the egg we passed around at the beginning and are distributing it amongst themselves. I will say that Blooper is the one I most suspect though, based on her posting content. She's very under the radar this game, which experience teaches me means a bad Blooper.

I agree with this, about the egg, which is why I'm not fully confident about Made's role. I 'm not advocating to lynch him today, but I also don't trust him.

I want to hear why Lacey had been planning on voting FZ (she posted before the last lynch end that who she planned to vote for was off the poll--and she was the other person off the poll). I am fairly confident at this point that she's bad.

And I kind of keep forgetting that Blooper is playing, so I agree under the radar.

I don't know boomslang at all, so don't really have a read there.

This is super far-fetched. We've never heard anything to indicate that the golden eggs were used beyond Day 1. More importantly, Epi's post said there were THREE of them. Do you really think Epi would make a mechanic where baddies could get access to powers that make them unlynchable and can be passed around indefinitely??? You're of course assuming they would have to be passed, because otherwise the host would have been creating three unkillable roles based on a Day 0 contest, which would either decide the game or make it unendable. That means it's a virtual certainty the baddies would eventually get all three, and it would be impossible for us to win.

You two are both SO BAD. Hopefully the rest of the civs will see through this thin veneer of manure disguised as theorizing and join me to get llama.

thellama73 wrote:Yup, it's lipsticklacey, boomslang, blooper, and one more. Not sure who yet. Guaranteed that those three are bad though.

What makes you say this? Besides Blooper today, everyone who's been of the poll could've been put there by the baddie or civvie remover.

Hmmm, only one person off the poll today, and it's Ninja Blooper. To me, that MAY be an indication that our protector was NKed on Night 3, and that the piggy protector is the only one left.

Since they can't have known they'd killed the bird protector, it makes the most sense to me that the piggies would protect one of their own, not knowing it would be revealed. I am actually nearly as convinced that Blooper is bad as I am about llama.

As an aside, it's really nice that it's so clear who's bad and who's not in this game. Piggies bad, birdies good. Simple. These games with well-meaning "baddies" are confusing. :P

RIP FZ.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

LoRab wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm down with voting Made. If he flips bad, we know DF is his team mate.

Why is this?

I admit it, my vote was a complete bandwagon. I got really frustrated the last few days when I was begging people to listen to me, and they still lynched people who I thought were civvie. I also kind of lost interest in the game after all those bad lynches. So I decided I'm just going to follow someone else. llama's response to my accusation seemed more genuine than not, so I thought I'd test his theory that if Made comes out bad we know he's either a civ or a baddie bussing his team. He said it with such conviction, that I thought Made would come out bad.
It was a bad decision, but I don't care. This whole game is one decision after another.


I have now caught up and I think Made is indeed the yellow bird. Once again, I'd expect llama to be the first one to say that's the most likely scenario, and be all over Lorab for trying to come up with different theories.
I also forgot to say it last day when I said that I'm not ruling out the option that MP was killed because he said he would be killed. Who would do that just for laughs? llama. At least that's how I'm seeing it.

That is a really good point about llama.

Nah, it isn't.

Made probably is the yellow bird, though. I won't vote for him tommarghy.

Then why did you say to vote for him like you were so sure he was bad?

That was yesterday. Everything is different today.

Yeah llama isn't even trying to hide it anymore. The Good Llama I know would be using crazy ploys to get in baddies' heads, confronting real suspects, and bring up points, not just saying "Oh, I think _____ is bad. Why? Because they are!"

I actually feel embarrassed I didn't see it before. I'm 100% convinced he's bad. Voting there.

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Wait, it ended at 7:30?? I thought it was 8:30.

Would have voted Made. Sorry, all.

Linki: Well, I hope that was the lynch stop and not a tie.

Host, in the event of two players getting an equal number of votes, would anyone be lynched if no lynch stop were used?

What the heck? I thought it ended later too. Sorry everyone. I also would have voted Made.

Well I know you're a llama, but I feel sheepish.

Also, I'm curious about why Made isn't around. He could've died. I would think he was the lynch stop civ, but if he didn't check into the thread during the Day phase, I dunno how he'd have used it. So many people were suspicious of him, I don't see anyone else saving him.

fingersplints wrote:I think both Elo and Made are suspicious and I can't decide between the two, so I'm going to just vote myself instead.

fingers, this is why we are losing this game. I know I shouldn't be throwing stones, seeing as I just missed the vote, but this is unacceptable. If you think people are suspicious, VOTE THEM. Voting yourself not only doesn't help us get a baddie today, it gives us no information whatsoever no matter the lynch result.

Wait, it ended at 7:30?? I thought it was 8:30.

Would have voted Made. Sorry, all.

Linki: Well, I hope that was the lynch stop and not a tie.

Host, in the event of two players getting an equal number of votes, would anyone be lynched if no lynch stop were used?

Llama, no wacky ploys to get reads on people? No Walls 'O Text? Any thoughts on Lacey or Blooper?

They're both not being talked about much, except that MP and LoRab brought up Lacey. MP is dead.

Blooper just in general is good at suckering people and playing all innocent. (Get it? Suckered? Because of the tentacles!)

FZ. wrote:I'm down with voting Made. If he flips bad, we know DF is his team mate.

Why is this?

LoRab wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

LoRab wrote:@Russ:

So, what you're saying is, MP, who posited that I am suspish mainly because of my unsureness about Elo, may be right about me. And you are also unsure of Elo. I'm a bit confused on your logic.

As I said earlier, I agree with suspicion of Made.

Would not be opposed to a Lacey lynch.

And still need to reread Elo.

And, looking at numbers, if another civ is lynched, let's all note that a civ lynch becomes virtually impossible. I'd encourage us all to take note of that. We really need to get a baddie this time around.

Not sure why the logic is weird. The idea is that Elo might be bad, and that you're being intentionally waffly on her because you're her teammate. I happen to have written that I was suspicious of you yesterday, for entirely different reasons. That's why I'd lean more toward lynching you than Elo right now.

And yes, we know you're suspicious of Lacey. However, your logic on lynching civs is impossible. If we lynch a civ, civ lynch is in fact by far the most likely scenario (100% probability). Not sure what you're shooting for, here.

I'm not intentionally waffly on her, for what it's worth. I happen to not have a solid opinion. I feel much more sure about other players.

Why are your separate reasons for suspicion of me?

I assure you they are wrong, because I know I am civ. :lobab: but please tell me so I can defend. I haven't really been given anything I can defend against. And I know I'm not bad.

Hmmmm...reading back, I'm actually not as suspicious of you as I thought I was. And, like I said before, I wrongly went after you in Watchmen (although, again, I didn't care cuz I was LMS), so I'm willing to give you BOTD for now at least.

I'm still leaning Made, but I don't like that a lot of people today have come in and posted, "Oh, yeah, you guys are talking about Made? Sure, I'll vote for him. Whatever's being talked about, that's where my vote goes....What? Add something to the conversation? I'll pass, thanks."

Paraphrasing, of course. And I hope no one takes that the wrong way, not trying to insult anyone. It just seems like there's little resistance to a Made lynch, and even less of people bringing up other talking points.

LoRab wrote:@Russ:

So, what you're saying is, MP, who posited that I am suspish mainly because of my unsureness about Elo, may be right about me. And you are also unsure of Elo. I'm a bit confused on your logic.

As I said earlier, I agree with suspicion of Made.

Would not be opposed to a Lacey lynch.

And still need to reread Elo.

And, looking at numbers, if another civ is lynched, let's all note that a civ lynch becomes virtually impossible. I'd encourage us all to take note of that. We really need to get a baddie this time around.

Not sure why the logic is weird. The idea is that Elo might be bad, and that you're being intentionally waffly on her because you're her teammate. I happen to have written that I was suspicious of you yesterday, for entirely different reasons. That's why I'd lean more toward lynching you than Elo right now.

And yes, we know you're suspicious of Lacey. However, your logic on lynching civs is impossible. If we lynch a civ, civ lynch is in fact by far the most likely scenario (100% probability). Not sure what you're shooting for, here.

Are there 11 people alive? The dead list hasn't been updated, and there are 9 on the poll.

thellama73 wrote:RIP MP

That's a lame kill. He was contributing a lot. Clearly the baddies are scared that he was onto something.

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:RIP MP.

I don't think the baddies would be that stupid...to kill someone who was calling them out.

I think they would be exactly that stupid.

Yeah, I agree with llama 100% here. If I were a baddie and MP had named half or more of my team, no question I'd wanna kill him and try to WIFOM out of it. And I'd rather lose to Extra Tricksy Baddies than Standard Baddies, anyway. I think the Extra Tricksy move here is to not be named by MP, then kill him to frame the named people.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: I can't really say I'm surprised. I believe we've lost 4 civvies already. And once again, the reason for voting TB sucked. I'm suspicious of everyone who voted for her. Heck, I'm suspicious of everyone.

I know the feel... many players, myself included, have been acting objectively suspiciously this game.

I'm very sad about the result, but I do think D3 gave us some valuable information.

Do you want to talk out some suspicions? It's possible one of us will die tonight, seeing as though we're the most talkative players left.

Sure, let's talk. What valuable information do you think it gave us?


MM, why do you think it makes llama look better?

It told us that Made is bad.

Look at this here. During the game, Made was one of only two players to say TinyBubbles was civilian. Yet he jumped on the wagon yesterday despite elaborating thoroughly that he heavily suspects me and you.

I also find it noteworthy that Made said one of either Elo or boo has to be bad. boo died N2. But has Made said anything else about Elo? Conveniently, no, especially when Elo very well could have died yesterday during D3.

Then think of the fact that LoRab kept making statements during yesterday's lynch about how she had no idea about Elo, and consider that LoRab was really quick to turn on Lacey earlier when I mentioned I strongly thought Lacey was bad. Has LoRab pursued those thoughts any further, despite the fact that her exception expired during D3? No.

Yes, we may have lynched TinyBubbles thanks to my push that way, but we also uncovered contradictory intentions from Made and LoRab. I also firmly believe that TinyBubbles was sacrificed to save Elo, and that Elo's behavior has had the classic mafia element of overexplanation. Her behavior has been the very definition of opportunistic, yet the mafia took advantage of the fact that TinyBubbles kept being compared to Elo by me.

I feel very strongly that Elo is mafia; by extension, Made and LoRab are also incredibly likely teammates.

I like the points about both Made and LoRab here; still not sold on Elo, but if those two (or probably even one of them) flips bad, I'd be very willing to go after her next.

MovingPictures07 wrote:If I had to guess on the 4th teammate, I'd say it's Russ (1st guess) or DFaraday (2nd guess). Russ defended Elo incredibly heavily against me in Watchmen. During D3, when Elo was being discussed, he seemed more open-minded, and super wishywashy on her one way or the other when you illustrated excellent points against her. His tone was also distinctly different, more nonchalant (with the "haha") than it was in Watchmen (very indignant and defensive of the fact that Elo is an easy target). DFaraday is my 2nd guess mostly by process of elimination and due to the fact that his votes on Elo would nearly exonerate him from being a teammate (again, assuming Elo flips mafia) by normal circumstances. DFaraday's behavior has been very firm and decisive this game, even almost thread-leader esque, which is a stark contrast from years of games I've played with him. Note also that during The Game, DFaraday was identified as having a lot of civilian cred, as all 5 players noted that they find him civilian. Which teammate therefore would be the best one to vote Elo early on D3? DFaraday.

Stinks MP isn't around to get ym response on this and reply. It's worth BEAR-ing (get it?) in mind that I was BAD in Watchmen. I acted sure on Elo partly because I was entirely convinced she was civ, and I'm not as convinced this game, but more importantly, I didn't really care what her alignment was there. So the fact that I'm acting differently here should actually make you guys feel better about me.

thellama73 wrote:I read through all of Eloh's posts, since MP said she is bad. I don't think she is. This posts doesn't read like something baddie Eloh would write. It would be too tricksy by half.

Elohcin wrote: I thought you were joking when you brought up me possibly being bad b/c I am Simon's mom. Honestly, whenever Simon or Epi hosts, I get to pick my role. Whenever I host, Epi picks his. So, now the question is....what role did Eloh pick? You could get really into it and go look back at all the games Epi has hosted and see who I was in each game. But you really don't need to. I pick civ sometimes, I pick baddie sometimes. I am not partial either way. I usually pick by looking at the role descriptions. I won't go into specifics of what kinds of roles I like and don't like. I wouldn't want to be accused of outing myself. But, I have divulged this information before. Also, I probably don't pick roles that you would guess. In fact, in my last game that I played, I picked what Epi said was his least favorite role. He was surprised I picked it All this to say, :P shame on you if you try to make a case for me being baddie b/c I am the hosts mom. If you can't come up with anything better than that, you must not be a very good mafia player.

I dunno ifthis is "too tricksy" to be bad. It basically says there's no good case on her, which is something both civvies and baddies (but, in my experience, especially baddies) get really indignant about. I also felt weird about how quick she was to hop on to my "Elo being Elo" idea.

All that said, I'm still pretty waffly on her and would prefer to go after Made or LoRab today.

RIP MP.

Boomslang wrote:Man, I don't feel right about lynching any of the suspects today. I'm going to keep on my llama vote, then, because he didn't address my concerns on the driveby and hasn't posted at all today.

Boomslang, why go after llama for not posting all day/addressing your concerns, when HE ALREADY TOLD US HE WAS GOING TO BE AWAY? This vote reeks to me.

Yuck. RIP Tiny

FZ. wrote:I just feel that a baddie would be a lot more conscious of what they're doing than a civvie would. I wouldn't be caught dead with a drive by vote. In contrast, Eloh keeps trying to explain her actions with defence, which comes off as really fishy. But it seems like she's trying and it doesn't seem genuine.

linki:

Yeah, this makes sense to me. It's just tough haha. I feel like either COULD be genuine, but that at least one of the two probably isn't. My guess would be that it's Tiny, so I'mma vote for her.

Sorry for the Wall O' Text, there.

LoRab, if fingers and/or Tiny were to flip good, would you then be after Lacey? I'm reading her as your #3 suspect right now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:TinyBubbles just committed another drive by vote...

How is this acceptable? If she's a civilian at this point then she's clearly a liability, unwilling to even post her suspicions as she votes for them. Hopefully she's just a lazy mafia.

She gets my vote. Just popping in before teaching, so apologies in advance for my absence today. Long day ahead of me

This is a bit hypocritical, Mr. Double Self-Voter. lol

Made wrote:To further elaborate on Ice Bear's "reads" game, as Ice Bear see it, Either Elo is mafia or Boo is mafia, but not both. This of course means that at least one player is currently fooling Ice Bear.
Further thinking required.

Why are one of Elo or boo mafia? I find these kind of dualities very often lead to follow-the-opponent lynches, where we go in circles lynching the person who came out hardest against the last person we lynched.

To me, DF hasn't said anything overtly pingy. He's clearly somewhat busy, and his posts mostly consist of concisely explaining his votes. I can read it one of two ways, pretty much equally easily: 1) he seems to be following his nose and going after people for sound reasons, or 2) he's going after relatively easy targets and getting a free pass because they're acting wacky. He gives my gut the heebie-jeebies just a little bit, but I don't have anything votable on him right now.

Blooper's non-matching number of mafia feels civ-isn to me in and of itself. I actually find it slightly suspicious that Made (it was Made, right?) had exactly 4 baddie hunches. That feels calculated, like it's something a baddie would think about during the game to avoid looking weird, while a civ might not care so much. MP, can you elaborate on whether anything like that has helped in The Game before? And in general on what results you've seen from it? Is it generally used for immediate results, or do you let things play out a few days to see where a baddie might be bussing or buddying or whatever?

@FZ.: Yeah that's fair on Elo, I suppose. My thing is, people give her a hard time for a "crappy civ game" all the time, and it usually gets her lynched eventually. I think you have to look at Elo's style within her own personal meta. She sometimes does wacky things that don't make sense to others.

I haven't read LoRab back yet today, so I'll do that now. I'm not confident about my read on her though, since in Watchmen I just had her as a bad read and she was good (although I will admit in that case I didn't particularly care, since I was the LMS.

I don't necessarily think two drive by votes are alignment-indicative. They are stinky for the rest of us, for sure, because they don't give us anything to work with in future days, which is why a civ shouldn't/wouldn't do them. However, they also are a terrific way to get tons of suspicion, which is why both baddies and civs would avoid them. I'd have to look at the context around it, and there's not much there from Tiny. Her reasoning in hindsight looks terrible to me. She basically says the majority is usually right and/or that not ALL the votes could be for llama. Also, she completely ignores that llama was after her first, so her vote amounts to a NO U, and that she voted him to get the Golden Egg, indicating she thought he seemed civ-isn. Now of course that was D0, but still. Also, Spacedaisy had as many votes as llama did when she voted him. Clearly it wasn't a baddie protect of Daisy since she was good, so I dunno why a baddie would bother, but everything else about her play this game looks just awful.

On a first read I'd be 100% ok voting Tiny today. I just need to decide if it's too easy.

Hmmm, I see there are only 5 votes left to be cast.

FZ., if we were to assume Elo were civvie, just for the sake of argument, where else could you have seen your vote going?

Also, as a more general question, why did everyone seem to get LESS suspicious of me when I stopped talking? I mean, I'll take it, it just seems weird.

FZ. wrote:Lorab, I didn't mean to make it sound like you're not entitled to your own opinions. I'm sorry if I offended you. I appreciate your thoughts. I just wish people's reasoning for voting would be based on more than what I've seen so far. I feel like ever since my voiced suspicion on Splints, she's become a bandwagon easy to hop on.
Here, she just contributed something. Does that change anything for you? And how about all other people who haven't contributed anything, like Eloh, Russ, TB and anyone else. Why didn't you vote for them?

Speaking of not contributing anything...I'm really sorry for that. I traveled over the weekend, and was in Recruitment, both of which took more out of me than I expected. I read along but never had the energy to put into posting anything of use.

None of which is an excuse. I have asked to be replaced in Recruitment, so I'll be dedicating all my mafia time and energy to this one now.

So I'm pretty caught up on the thread events in general, but need to work on firming up my reads on people. I will say for starters that MP is playing a much different style than I am used to. It's wackier and less questioning. Usually weird styles ring baddie bells for me, but this one comes off as super genuine somehow. So I'm gonna continue to reevaluate, but for now I feel good about him.

So FZ., just to confirm, nothing in particular changed your mind on fingers, right? You just don't like the bandwagoniness with which people are bringing her up, and you're not convinced your earlier ping was right? Or am I off base here?

Also, I see Elo is catching flak again. I'll read her back through, but this feels like Elo's civ game to me so far.

boo wrote:It's a bad day for quotes, apparently.

And the lynches. RIP Scotty.

And Lacey, lynch switches or stops usually have to be used before the lynch happens. Which is really tough, because as a civ, the person using them usually doesn't know ahead of time whether they're saving a civ or baddie.

Scotty why are you posting as dead? No host post yet, right?

fingersplints wrote:I also didn't like how MM was quick to jump on the Russ vote. I agree with Ice Bear that that is more suspicious.

^

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Made wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Made wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to have to vote in a couple of hours, and I intend to vote Scotty. No solid reason, just pure hunch. I don't feel good about him.

Discuss.

Scotty seems to enjoy extrapolating which either means he's bad and want to seem present or he enjoy extrapolating, something ice bear enjoys from time to time. Ice bear would much rather advocate a Marmot lynch at this point.

I cannot support this course of action. That would result in the votes being spread (potentially).

WHy is this a bad thing?

It's a bad thing because I would be lynched.

I actually do prefer votes to not be concentrated on one player, and my vote was intended to get a reaction from Russ.

Did you really think he was bad? Why did you choose him to get a reaction from? Why not any of the other players? Do you believe that his suggestion to vote for the specific 3 people was sinister? If so, why?

He could be bad, but I voted for him because he suggested a strategy of not spreading out the votes, so I followed his strategy to see how he would respond.

I am disappointed that he hasn't responded yet.

I also noticed and agree with what boo had to say previously.

MM, thanks for not spreading out the votes. I'm not bad, though, so feel free to "not spread them " onto other people.

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Made wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to have to vote in a couple of hours, and I intend to vote Scotty. No solid reason, just pure hunch. I don't feel good about him.

Discuss.

Scotty seems to enjoy extrapolating which either means he's bad and want to seem present or he enjoy extrapolating, something ice bear enjoys from time to time. Ice bear would much rather advocate a Marmot lynch at this point.

I cannot support this course of action. That would result in the votes being spread (potentially).

Well, since the vote is already spread, I will vote scotty as well. It's fun to tie things up b/c tie breakers give info

I think your idea of fun is different than mine.

I just don't see the same thing as others on Russ still.
And I don't like your definition of fun. At least llama had some sort of guy reason.

Are you saying there could be merit to my reasoning that you could be a bad bird, Elo?

I would prefer not to have to do a retaliation vote on the next highest vote-getter, but it's heading that way, Jim.

Anybody else down for voting for Lipsticklacey? Or LoRab? She hasn't been here today.

II wouldn't be into a Lipsticklacey lynch. She's brand new, for crying' out loud! In my book that gives her free reign until D3. Others are free to not agree, but that's my stance. As far as LoRab, she hasn't caught my eye either way yet. She seems similar to last game so far fwiw. A bit cantankerous and an unorthodox thinker.

Linki: Fair enough, I guess. I don't see bad MP doing that, though, for the sake of his team, and I believe that he has RL PH.D. stuff. Boomy, so I'm clear, do you not believe him or do you think that he is being truthful but still subconsciously inclined to confess to his evil ways? And why not vote for one of the top 2 vote-getters and thus have a chance to meaningfully impact the lynch?

Double Linki: Daisy, thoughts on MP's self-vote?

TRIPLE LINKI: STOP POSTING

I voted MM, since he wanted a reaction. Sorry I took so long to get it to you!
And I'm not that into the lynch of Scotty right now.

Honestly, I will probably try harder in this game than Recruitment, at least at first. It is too overwhelming there, and way more chill here.

If boo and I are having a Being Right Duel, then boo, we never got confirmation that Boomslang's intention to change his vote to me was honored. So it's anybody's guess which of us wins, really.

Oh [expletive], I have 7 minutes! Good thing I came in here!

Hey wait! No one voted me. I thought someone said they would. :sad:

Also, uh, what happened re: Epi??

Linki: Never mind, looks as if the Epi situation was explained.

boo, my bad on Boomslang. However, you were still wrong, because I had 0 votes. So nah nah nah boo boo to you, boo.

Scotty, love the mad libs AND the turkey thing, but I'm not sold on an Elo lynch just because her son is hosting.

And Boomy, you may bandwagon onto me if you feel it necessary. I don't agree with what I'm sure will be a thought-out, slowly-arrived-at decision and will probably involve victim blame if indeed I am lynched, but I can't stop you going after me. Perhaps I was wrong to volunteer you for the egg.

So you guys are aware, Recruitment is inTENSE. So I will probably try to be pretty relaxed in this game.

Linki: llama, as I pointed out by citing MOTU, it might very well matter a lot.

boo and Spacedaisy: I chose those three because 1) I know I am civ. 2) Scotty seems like a fine upstanding citizen of this thread and 3) Boomslang has 2 votes already and is cool. So boo, one of them has 2 votes. Please dismount your high horse.

Boomslang wrote: Well, I am honored. I do plan to be pretty active in this game, although keeping up with Recruitment as well is going to be a bear... Lucky for me, I at least have today off.

Right??

Golden wrote:I see pedantic pink is catching on!

There is a LOT of pedantry here, for those not aware.

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

boo wrote:There's just a lot of bubbles apparently.

Like in the economy amirite

Tiny Bubbles confirmed Sen. Phil Gramm

Excited to get started! I've never played Angry Birds before, and actually refuse due to a self-imposed superficial boycott.

Other self-imposed boycotts I am currently engaged in: Ice cream, Michael Bay movies, swimsuit calendars, my ex-girlfriends on Facebook.


Side note: I looked up what the Golden Egg is, because I just assumed it was good since it's Golden and all good things are golden.

They apparently are collected in game to unlock additional levels, and/or additional mini-games. But don't try to collect a Golden Egg with the MIGHTY EAGLE BECAUSE HE'S A LUMBERING ASSHOLE WHO WILL #DESTROY IT.

@Epignosis Hey man, btw I'ma try and be a little PC talking, since I assume Simon is reading these posts. Is that your wish, or do I have free roam in the (sub)English language?

All of your boycotts are wise, except ice cream. What is wrong with you there?? I eat ice cream nearly daily because it is the best.

Also, at risk of causing srs bsns...maybe we shouldn't completely spread the vote, here. Leaves it open to baddie manipulation, and as we all saw in MOTU, these things can decide games. I suggest we all vote for one of the following: Russti, Scotty, or Boomslang.

I volunteer as Golden Egg recipient, if that means anything to anyone. I will vote for Scotty to get it.