The Syndicate

Matt F wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hi, so I'm going to be less active than usual in this'n.

That was 3J's first sentence of the game (in Rym's Day 0 thread)

hahahahaha! omg. Biggest lie of the game.

RYMers, you all are super fun. A bit intense with the posting rate, maybe, but really, really fun. Hopefully we can get together for some more in the future.

Wilgy, what? You freaking rocked, man. You didn't let anybody down. If Diiny hadn't killed you we'd have won.

Ugh, Radio Head.....the worst song ever performed by Talking Heads, ever.

Hmmm, Mp I would have strongly objected to that way of handling the Fuzz mistake, since an extra civ with 7 players left is a WAY smaller deal than one with 2 left. Glad it didn't come to that. Regardless, it's comforting in a weird way to know I didn't actually come as close as I thought. Otherwise it would've been truly heart-wrenching.

Thanks so much to MP and Sloonei for hosting, and to my awesome team for all the help getting me to a position where we had a shot to win! You guys were baller, and very cool with my off-kilter strategy. Except for you, Wilgy, since you made me Radio Head. Jk.

It sucks to blow through all the civ goodwill I've accumulated over the years only to lose, but I'm honored I even came close against arguably the 3 most impressive civvie performances to ever happen in a game (and all in the same game, too!). Hats off to you guys. It was fun, even though it very nearly consumed my life.

Wow, those secret roles are sweet. haha poor Elo....she was so OP! And Diiny got suer lucky with those ratios. He was a monster.

And Bullz, I gotta be honest, it agonizes me that you left the way you did, especially since we came so damn close even without you, and since I put everything I had into this game. I am working past it and will eventually forgive you, though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:MP, I expect a full explanation.

Really good game, guys. Damned impressive stuff.

You too Russtifinko. Why the hell did I drop my suspicion of you that I had held onto for 7 WHOLE DAYS! :P

Because I'm a Slippery Person?

Also, I know for a fact I lost based on a random number, there. Stupid, fickle atmospheric noise. YOU ONLY APPROXIMATE RANDOMNESS!


Linki: Wait, but if Rico lost despite using an extra vote, it would have been mathematically impossible for me to lose this lynch, right? I'm confused now.

MP, I expect a full explanation.

Really good game, guys. Damned impressive stuff.

Happy to help, Zeebs!

Or should I call you I Zeembra, this game?


Linki: NOOOOOOOO!!!! So close.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Just so you guys know, MP would never prolong an unwinnable game. So the fact that we all just voted means you still have a chance. I am about to explode with the tension.

Oh hey, me too.

Jay, hold me.

I'll hold you.

....want some drugs?

Just so you guys know, MP would never prolong an unwinnable game. So the fact that we all just voted means you still have a chance. I am about to explode with the tension.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yo Russ, just vote for me already.

Linki: drat.

Good try.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Where's the host / dead / non-player option? WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE

Sorry, in my haste I forgot this.

Poll has been reset. Please recast your votes.

Haha. My new favorite exchange of the game.

Hey, however this ends, you guys were fucking incredible. Seriously the hardest game I've ever played.

Awwww, but I'm kind of enjoying being evil. JJJ, you sure you don't want to hash things out a bit more?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm down with skipping to Day 15. There's really nothing to happen Night 14 if I'm not mistaken.

Well......there is ONE thing.

MUAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Oh hai guys.

Ricochet wrote:The motel was drugged theory also includes the part in which Blind could have voted MM and misfired.

Anyway, somethings are hard to describe (:smallworkout:), but this game's been a delight.

Seeing as Russ voted me and I could be drugged, my 1K post will be death or glory. See you on the other side.

Blind is NOT the one I mean. Damned intentional misinterpretations. Also damned final day being TERRIBLE timing for me, in terms of both date and end time.

MM, not convinced at all? No shred of doubt in your mind it's me and not Rico?

JJJ, the only alternative to what I'm saying regarding Wilgy is if BOTH Rico and I are bad, in which case you'd be fucked anyway and MP would have ended the game without this Day. You know I'm talking sense.

Also, I did intend for the Wilgy point to be one about hypocrisy and not a connection between Rico and Wilgy looking bad in and of itself. However, knowing for a fact that you are good, it's thus either Wilgy or BurgerBoy that was bad. If nothing else, probability is higher Wilgy was, and he was a top suspect before he was NKed. Therefore I do think the Rico-Wilgy connection is a much stronger point than I originally made it out to be.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: 2. You've identified a clear top suspect among the three options you're currently faced with. You don't seem willing to assign a role to me but you have called it "impossible" for MM to be mafia-aligned (an assertion that I don't believe can be confidently made from a townie mindset). I ask you this then: in your efforts to sell MM and I on the notion that Rico is a bad guy -- where is your mind for alternatives? From your perspective, there should be reason to worry about JaggedJimmyJay too. You've suggested I might be a mafia team mate of Rico, but I don't think you've explored the possibility that I am the lone remaining mafioso. Have you discarded that possibility without doing the legwork you've done for Rico? If so, why?

Ok, I was off on some role deductions, and so thank you guys for filling me in. I had missed that Blind was obviously still alive. My tinfoil was the Rico and JJJ's exchange earlier about if JJJ would live to lylo was a forced interaction to make it seem like JJJ was hinting Blind when really he was bad. I know I'm not Blind, and I know who MM is, so it seems reasonable to conclude that JJJ, who hinted Blind, and not Rico, who asked JJJ to hint Blind, is Blind.

Originally I thought you were civ and Rico was bad because you have been acting willing to consider different viewpoints and I'm seeing Rico as super eager to end the Day early without any discussion. I tinfoiled a good cop-bad-cop thing by you guys, but MM reminding us that Blind is still alive allayed that fear. I have no reservations whatsoever that you and MM are both civ.

Regardless, JJJ, my original thought process was that Wilgy was more likely to be bad than not. However, with this confirmed, there is no doubt in my mind that he is the second-last baddie. As for MM's role, I am stumped that you're not getting it. The closest I can really come to making it obvious without being too explicit is that motel room dying CANNOT have been solely a result of drugs. This is also tied in with my point about me not being able to use my power if I were drugs and cast the killing votes on LC and Mac (I wrongly included Bullz in that, I thought he had died on an even Day but it was Day 11). It's a central point that I think illustrates why I am not bad and Rico is: there were only 2 even Nights before Day 12. Due to Memories Can't Wait, when LC died we skipped N2, when Mac died we skipped N4, and when Floyd died we skipped N8. Therefore if I were Drugs, I singlehandedly deprived myself of the use of my power twice while bussing teammates, when I easily could have placed a vote elsewhere and tried to get similar cred the next Day. Also, if I were Drugs, I could only have drugged motel room 1 time, per MP's post earlier toDay. 2+2 = 4, which would not be enough to lynch him over MM, who had 5. There had to be a civilian reason motel took the lead in that lynch, and MM is it. Only one living civ rule has the potential for that, and it's super obvious which one if you read the roles. That's why I was saying his vote is the only one that matters today, and it's why I am firmly convinced he is civ.

I'm back! Catching up and posting final responses.

Plz stop spamming, everyone. Especially you, Rico.

Quick reply as I'm headed out the door to work. Rico, the idea that Wilgy isn't proven bad is a major point in your posts above, but you yourself started from this assumption in your case on me earlier today. Make the assumption or don't, but don't say you can make it to case me and I can't make it to case you. You've also made the assumption (as has MM) that Drugs is the final baddie role, so I went from that starting point as well. Doesn't make it true, but since you and MM are free to assume it, don't tell me doing so makes me bad.

Alternative possibilities: HamburgerBoy was bad, or both you and JJJ are. I find those both substantially less likely than that Wilgy was, as I think everyone not trying to use the point to kill me does.

Ricochet wrote:My call on Diiny, just like my call on Mac, is precisely the proof by which the others should trust me and to carry on with the plan in order for town to win this lylo.

What??????? Again, this is EXACTLY my point. EVERYONE wants the SK dead, so the fact that you helped get him says nothing whatsoever about your alignment. That you're presenting it as such is ludicrous and you know it. And your Mac "call" was one baddie in a game with 7. What do you want, a medal?

Oh! And just to be sure MM gets to see that, I rescind my permission for Day 14 to end early.

Maybe "do it fast and hard" is a bit dramatic there, since Rico only actually truly bussed once. I got a little caught up in the case, and I rescind it. To clarify, I think he lightly bussed Wilgy and truly bussed Mac when it was clear Mac was going to go down within the next 1-2 days for the credit.

Keep in mind, Rico also only voted a baddie who had an actual chance to be lynched on one even Day. If he's Drugs, that makes good good sense.

Sorry -- in general those are not my best posts ever and they're probably too wordy, but I meant to do a 10-minute case and itstead spent over an hour reading all of Rico's stuff through Day 6 and analyzing his votes. It's now past 1am and I have to be up for work in the morning, so I'll try to summarize. I think there's plenty to go on here, but if I had more time I'd do a more extensive analysis of his recent stuff, like how I think he's using credit from the Diiny lynch to present himself as civ and win your trust so he could have a shot at winning in exactly this lylo situation. Further evidence he's trying to ride the cred wave: his case on me is about as lazy and weak as you can get for a guy who's written 25 pages of stuff in a game.

I'm gonna close here because I desperately need to sleep, but I'll say this to JJJ and MM as a final point: You both know Rico and I to some extent as mafia players. To me this comes down to one of 2 theories: (1) I played the worst baddie game in history, bussing teammates left and right when it stopped me from using my role power and made no sense to do so. Rico also played a pretty terrible game as a civ. Or (2): Rico played a prototypical baddie game where he bussed teammates only when he thought it was absolutely necessary, and did an damned impressive job keeping us guessing up until this point. I played a pretty solid civ game with a few notable holes (e.g. tunneling motel and missing Floyd). You guys can decide which is more likely.

Day 4, Rico had Mac and Wilgy as his top two town reads.

4:21am on Tesday, Oct 13, soft defense of Mac from Golden (and a criticism of a towered of JJJ thrown in for good measure):

Ricochet wrote:

Matt F wrote:
Linki - I have no idea if JJJ is civvie or scum, but if he is able to post the billions of posts he's posted this game, while also having the time to plan with a team, then kudos to him.

That's pretty weak townreading. Why wouldn't JJJ, of all people in fact, be able to cultivate his persona to seem like everything is in check and he's posting the way he always does?

What do you think about my take on him, in my LC spreadsheet? Worth thinking about or not?

Golden wrote:voting macdougall.

sup. Why?

1:19pm on Tuesday, Oct 13th, suspects Macdougall, or at least the point I brought up about Mac saying lynching townies is ok:

Ricochet wrote:For all the green skittles I've handed him, I must say MacDougall's tactical lynch suggestion is worth a grimace even from me. Maybe it's a culture difference thing, but no, I'd never try to improvise a potential mislynch only to garner info from it rather than focusing on voting my top mafia lead. Besides, he speaks of comfort in doing this move at this stage, but I'm not so sure. Unless Memories Can't Wait was already offed by the mafia or the SK, a mafia lead would give us the best outcome: 0 civilian losses throughout an entire cycle (with the N being skipped). The opposite of this result is that, unless the mafia clips the SK or the SK is good/lucky at taking out mafia players, a mislynch would be followed by 2 more civilian victims, throughout a phase. Right now, I'm not saying the civ cause is either doing well or in a bad situation (so-so, I'd say), but again, unless Memories was toast during the Night, 0 civilian losses and 1 mafia burn is the maximum good result town can achieve, so it should naturally be the mentality to follow the most.

Less than an hour later, 2:01pm Tuesday, Oct 13th, soft defends Mac from Golden again:

Ricochet wrote:

Golden wrote:

Matt F wrote:On a scale of 1 to 10 of thinking MacD is scum, Golden...

3 =

Yet thou has thy vote on him?

Day 5, he spent a lot of time defending Mac from Matt F's theory, which I think we can now all agree was baloney but was actually getting some amount of heat onto Mac.

Day 6, however, he was suddenly second to hop on the lynch train.


So, to reiterate, according to Rico Wilgy was good Day 0, bad Days 1-2, his second highest skittle civ read Day 4 and at least good enough to vote with 6 of the next 7 days, and then bad from that point on, when other people, led by JJJ, were starting to eye Wilgy pretty hard. Mac was not commented on until he was Rico's top skittle civ read on Day 4 (again, see the link), but over the next 24 hours Rico both said he was kinda suspicious and defended him (softly) from Golden. He kept defending him (again, softly), through Day 5 from Matt, but then voted to lynch him early on Day 6. Both of these interactions to me read absolute textbook baddie: lightly distance when possible, without creating any real pressure, defend without drawing attention to yourself when a buddy takes any heat, and when things start to look like they're headed the wrong way, bus, and do it fast and hard.

The Case Against Rico

Voting Record:

He did vote Wilgy on Day 0, although that's an extremely minor point.

Day 2, he voted Wilgy alone. To me, that vote looks super bad for two reasons, and I'm surprised I didn't see it before. I wasn't looking all that closely at Rico, and it's looking to me now like I should have been. (1) It was obviously a nothing vote, in a very tight lynch where we ended up getting a baddie. That looks bad in and of itself, but (2) it was on Wilgy, which looks like one of the best chances for a meaningless distancing vote I've seen. If Wilgy got lynched later, he could say "Oh, look, I suspected him on D2, so it doesn't matter that I didn't vote for LC that day." It also doesn't match his apparent Day 0 trust of Wilgy. To be fair, it did come from this post:

Ricochet wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Before any quotes, I'd like to point out an initial suspicion. It never sits right with me when someone claims that they will be changing and/or playing with a different style after role cards have already been distributed. This applies to Rico, and BWT. I'm not going to go back and try to quote the comment because I'm pretty sure it was Day 0. Rico stated that he'd be more zany and BWT followed suit, almost immediately after Rico. I do not recall BWT's reasoning for claiming a more zany (zanier? zaniest? are those actual words? they don't sit right with me.) and would like to hear about this. Also, someone correct me if my memory of Day 0 events are failing me.

I try to make myself clear. I didn't outright claim from the beginning how different I'll play, what I did was explaining myself after the differences were picked up on by others, both in the Day 0 thread and here. I don't know what was I supposed to declar before the beginning of the game, although even in sign ups I gave a first taste of this.

I can't comment on BWT's choice, so far he's not even too focused on this, pulling nothing more than a few quotes, from the same highly popular songs. Epigone, at best.

in which he doesn't like that Wilgy voted BWT on D1. However, he never pursues this further, never develops the suspicion, and it comes off slightly NO U-y, so it's reasonable to assume he never planned on trying to get Wilgy lynched for it. His D2 vote looks weak as a result, hence my theory that it was distancing.

Day 3 he self-preserved which, anyone would, so fair enough, but it was onto a train on Golden that included Mac and Wilgy.
Day 4, Devin - with Wilgy.
Day 6, early vote onto Macdougall - but so did Wilgy.

His Day 7 nothing vote onto Choutas could be construed as avoiding a civ-civ pair of lynches entirely, so laying low. (Wilgy made a nothing vote too that Day).

Day 8, he voted MM in a very tight lynch - with Floyd and Wilgy. This one is interesting, because barring any influence by Drugs (and it seems most likely Drugs had only managed to drag Devin at this point), those 4 votes look tied with Floyd for the lead but they really aren't, a point which makes his vote look somewhat less bad.

He voted with Wilgy again on Day 9, for sig, and then made a nothing vote for Wilgy on Day 11, when we got Bullzeye, which again looks very much like distancing. Day 12 he also voted with Wilgy, who was once again one of his top suspects, for MM, who we now know to be super important.

He did vote Diiny, and early, yesterday, but he's sure crowed about how civ it makes him a lot, hasn't he? Both baddies and civs wanted someone with 2 NK's dead - it'd be too much of a wild card (and have too high a chance of winning on its own) to be allowed to survive.

I realize it looks like I harped on the Wilgy thing a lot here. I realize that a connection to Wilgy in and of itself is not the strongest part of my case. However, I fixated on it a bit because it's just mind-boggling to me that his case on me is "You voted with Wilgy to get 3 baddies" when, if you count the one-off nothing vote as "with Wilgy", 6 times! (5 if you don't count it). He got one baddie, but again, he's awful proud of it. Two of the other times he voted for Wilgy, and not once did he voice any nervousness about voting repeatedly with a guy who ostensibly remained a suspect all game long but was never pursued. To reiterate, his case is "Russ voted with Wilgy to kill baddies 3 times and has no other similarities with Wilgy", while his own votes show a relation to Wilgy a remarkable 75% of the time Wilgy was alive.

This behavior sets an important pattern of interaction that carries through to his treatment of Mac, too, which is in my next post.

Gonna keep it very brief, since I should really be asleep already. I'll try to be on around 5:15pm eastern tomorrow to answer any last-minute questions.

Assembling now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Day 14 continues.

Alright, game on!

So what's the plan? You interested in hearing a Rico case? At this point my time is limited, since, I have to sleep and then tomorrow I work until at least 5 as usual, but I'm game to do what I can with what I have if you intend to keep an open mind and hear it.

Ricochet wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:At least starting tomorrow, I'll finally be able to focus on real life issues, like studying, writing a PhD, reading Rimbaud, finding a new girlfriend, improve my omelettes... Oh and check out this Talking Heads this whole game has been about. Are they any good?

I ain't got no speakers, ain't got no headphones, ain't got no records to play.

Too little too late, my friend. Rico has had the lyric thing locked down since like Day 2.

You never know. MM did after all beat my two whole Days of crafting videos in Syndicate by posting a video of a llama kicking a man...

Whaaaaaat?? Must see!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Russ, you and Jay have already taken the CEO position away from me with your votes. I won't let Ricochet take this from me.

Haha my bad, man. I didn't catch yours as much. I didn't have anything to do with choosing ACEOs at any point, though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:At least starting tomorrow, I'll finally be able to focus on real life issues, like studying, writing a PhD, reading Rimbaud, finding a new girlfriend, improve my omelettes... Oh and check out this Talking Heads this whole game has been about. Are they any good?

I ain't got no speakers, ain't got no headphones, ain't got no records to play.

Too little too late, my friend. Rico has had the lyric thing locked down since like Day 2.

Golden wrote:Russti... forget mafia for a minute. Shouldn't you be writing something in the speakeasy?

Huh?

Ricochet wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Why is MM's vote the only one that matters?

Ohh, I think I get why now. If by accident I'm killed (although, honestly Russ, my death would absolutely bury you afterwards, on the following Day), Russ got to keep suss in his posts on JJJ, so that he can try to work out some final magic tomorrow and charm MM.

Again, not sure what you mean here. Maybe on this role deduction I'm actually ahead of you?

I can see why a baddie would be dead set on finding Blind but care less about the other roles, though.

Also, MP, when did Jar-Jar Binks show up! Begone, scoundrel!

MovingPictures07 wrote:You guys think JJJ would be alright with ending Day 14 early?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MP: I don't endorse an early end to the day. Not yet at least.

Not really, no.

I'm good to end the Day, then. Ricochet.

Ricochet wrote:If you can tell MM is town (and which town) based on motel room results, then who is Blind in your conception, Russ? You're clearly not claiming him one bit and it's statistically too on the nose for you to have been that lucky on Days 2, 4 and 6 not to have changed the outcome of any of those lynches. You just said JJJ and myself could be last TWO baddies, so you're clearly misfiring your own deductions by leaving out a key town active player.

It's all hard logic to follow.

Not sure what you're getting at. I'm not claiming Blind - I don't role claim. Nor do I know that he's alive, unlike you seem too.

You are miles ahead of me on the role deduction game, which I have always been terrible at (see X-Men or Zelda for proof). All I know is you are suckering MM. I just hope JJJ isn't involved.

Fair enough, as long as there is a tomorrow. Just let me know your final answer - say the word and I'll get to work on the Rico case, or tell me I'm done and we can end.

Darn it. Didn't see that haha.

If you have even the slightest shred of doubt about me, MM, I'm begging you to let me case Rico so you can compare side by side and see who looks worse.

That all said, if you're dead set on lynching me and you don't want to hear a case, then my time in this game is done regardless. If that's the case, I'll place my vote and say I'm ok to end, but please swear to me you'll vote Rico tomorrow if the baddies don't win on my lynch.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Yup, my vote's not moving. Russtifinko is definitely bad, and the final one.

I'm ready to end Day 14 when all votes are cast.

Linki: them's are my thoughts Russ.

Well, that's unsporting.

I think it shouldn't matter, assuming Wilgy is bad, since the baddies don't kill tonight. I'd rather you got a case from me on Rico and then made up your mind, but since we win if dead anyway, I'm cool with it as long as you swear to get him tomorrow.

Also, JJJ seems to think you are more suspicious than Rico. So we should probably remind him that it's literally impossible for you to be bad given the motel room result. My worst-case tinfoil says Wilgy wasn't bad, they both are, and this lynch decides it. That would explain JJJ giving Rico ACEO last night and the push to get me killed before I even get a chance to say anything today.

There's also this:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Russtifinko - Last visited: Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:15 pm

Day 13 ended at Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:39 pm. Call me paranoid, but could Russ have even sent the nightkill in?

MM, yay!

What're your thoughts currently?

And Rico, obviously MM's vote is the only one that matters. Unless you've drugged me and plan to kill me regardless, in which case I need JJJ too.

You say you can't tell I m bad by simply disseminating votes, but again, though, your entire analysis is based on 3 votes in the entirety of a 14-Day game. You're ignoring gigantic swaths of evidence because it suits your purposes.

We can bicker all night, but frankly without MM here it's worthless. I say we get him in here, hash it all out once and for all, lynch the final baddie, and call it a game.

Also, very minor point here, but you're lurking. Been up to that all game? Why bother, if you have nothing to hide?

Double "Also..." post....my bad.

Linki: Pretty sure that was 2 days ago, before you started railroading me and before all the other possible suspects died. The fact that you're using reads of you from two days ago in a 4-man lylo is just more evidence that you're trying to end this game without letting us think through what's really going on, and that's because right now, in this precise moment, you are the shadiest of all of us.

To be frank, your base is worthless. First off, that entire post is bunk because it's just taking every vote I, Diiny, and Wilgy made with no context and interpreting it in the worst possible light. Again, more evidence you've been trying to railroad the game to a conclusion without giving time of thinking space for us to come to well-reasoned conclusions in lylo. You're saying Wilgy and I voted for baddies 3 times, and that's true, but it's also the entire extent of the similarities between our play all game. Your case is basically, "When we got a baddie, three out of four times, Russ made a good vote every time. So did Wilgy. Oh, they have nothing else in common at all? I rest my case: they're both bad." I'll remind you that:

(1) None of the other votes you bring up bear any similarity, according to your own analysis.
(2) Wilgy was on the Floyd wagon and I wasn't
(3) My votes put away all three of those baddies.
(4) I was the one to originally make a case on Mac, who was getting little to no suspicion at the time.

With Bullz, Floyd, and BR basically not playing, he was one of 3 active baddies. You're saying I'm Drugs; does it really make sense for me, myself, personally, to place the vote that killed teammates on THREE even Nights, denying myself the ability to use my power, AND to set one of my two active teammates on a remaining team of 6 up for death???

I mean, I've never claimed to be great at mafia, but even I am just not that dumb.


Double Linki: Sorry JJJ, I just got back from work.

Also, the shenanigans you proposed were moving votes around willy-nilly. Granted, I support moving votes off of me, but in principle, moving votes just to move them does leave a lot of room for baddies to mess with the lynch, as MM pointed out.

Also, Blind does NOT have to be JJJ. You're only assuming that because he told you he thought he'd be around to endgame. That could also easily be because he and/or you are bad.

Linki: Provide evidence on the Wilgy thing, please, or at least list the baddies you're talking about. That's not a case, that's a baseless accusation.

Ricochet wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Oh hai guys. Sad to see you've all voted me already, but maybe I can change some minds.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:"I'm gonna drug a player I can't night kill."

Sounds a bit counter-productive. He could have easily drugged And She Was and the role got lucky with the odds.

I'll be waiting to see how Russ behaves with his vote, at least.

linki: What Night 6?

Drugs has two options dude. He can drug a player to nightkill them, or he can drug a player and run the lynch-table. With as small as the game is now, Drugs does stand a chance at running the lynch, and we all need to be aware of that.

Drugs failed to nightkill somebody last night, so this is a plausible explanation.

Can someone run me by why we think Drugs (and only Drugs) is alive? It seems we're going on the assumption Wilgy was bad, which seems totally reaosnable to me, but why one role over the other?

I could read the previous 10 pages, but this seems faster.

Uhm. Drugs tried to kill last night? He's literally in here with us.

As for why only Drugs, my deductions are clear. Blind is also here with us, due to his NK immunity, I think MM is And She Was and I'm good. That leaves only you.

And/or you.*

*But actually "or" because I'm not bad.

Honestly Rico reads the baddest of anyone still alive to me. He had yesterday and today's lynches planned out from before yesterday even started. He sounds like a baddie too eager to "close out the game" to me. And he suggested shenanigans:

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I'm thinking of switching to JJJ for a bit, then on MM, then no nvmd, then get back on Russtifinko.

That's how bored I am right now.

You vote for me, and you're getting my vote.

Why, would ending with -5 instead of -6 piss you off that much?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seriously though, if you're civ, leave your vote where it is.

The serious face in this marmot is strong.

Rico, could you clarify what you mean by Wilgy and I being inseparable? I don't see it that way at all.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Yeah, answering back to some of the questions posed on that EoD is meaningless now, at least for me. In hindsight, I also wished a baddie would have gotten hurt by these shenanigans.

The fact that WIlgy and Russ are hardly separable on three out of four baddie lynches is killing me right now. It really makes me wish the SK would show, at least once in this entire game, some anti-mafia moves (that we can know of or decipher, at least), even if eliminating the mafia could hurt his endgame chances. Alas, I suspect he'll off a civ, probably me.

Russ has been playing this game with a pretty consistent effort, and actually has been going stronger over these last few days. Do you think that is a sign of a baddie Russ?

This may sound like a weird observation on my part, but I had read Russ as bad all game up until Day 10 (I think), and his increase in activity happened right around the same time.

Also, it says you guys are bored. I apologize a final time and thank you all once again for being with me through a super busy but incredible weekend.

Oh hai guys. Sad to see you've all voted me already, but maybe I can change some minds.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:"I'm gonna drug a player I can't night kill."

Sounds a bit counter-productive. He could have easily drugged And She Was and the role got lucky with the odds.

I'll be waiting to see how Russ behaves with his vote, at least.

linki: What Night 6?

Drugs has two options dude. He can drug a player to nightkill them, or he can drug a player and run the lynch-table. With as small as the game is now, Drugs does stand a chance at running the lynch, and we all need to be aware of that.

Drugs failed to nightkill somebody last night, so this is a plausible explanation.

Can someone run me by why we think Drugs (and only Drugs) is alive? It seems we're going on the assumption Wilgy was bad, which seems totally reaosnable to me, but why one role over the other?

I could read the previous 10 pages, but this seems faster.

Oh wow, there's 8 pages. You guys are awesome, for real.

I warned you guys ahead of time I would do this, so please don't hate me, but I'm gonna write a SUPER fast post here, vote, and leave to spend time with my new fiancée!!!!! I skimmed one of the 8 pages you guys wrote while I was out this weekend.

I agree with the assessment that Diiny is likely the SK. On my previous reread, he looked less like it than I had thought originally, but since then a lot of people have died and of the remaining he fits the profile best to me. I think we have to get the SK today, so I support the vote on him.

I sill don't know whether JJJ or Rico is more likely to be bad. I'm inclined to think the SK did us a favor with Wilgy, so it seems reasonable to hope only one of them is. I will be back to fully active tomorrow evening, and I look forward to finding whoever it is and taking him out.

Linki: Hi JJJ. You're wrong, but even if you were right, getting the SK is clearly more important today, so if you think I'm mafia you shouldn't lynch me until tomorrow. Diiny seems most likely SK to me, although tinfoil does say Rico could be. If we're wrong we're fucked, so I hope my tinfoil is just that. It has been the best weekend ever!

As a reminder, my participation this weekend will be limited. It sucks to be missing such an important time, and I apologize to you all again, but proposing > mafia. I'll vote Sunday, and expect me to have read at least the main points of the day, but don't expect a lot of posts.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorry motel room, and sorry everyone else. I voted motel room because I thought he was more likely to be the PSK than Diiny and DrWilgy.

MM, which one of the two remaining do you most suspect in that regard now?

Yeah, if Rico is bad then I am just gonna resign myself to losing. If anything, he looks more civ than JJJ to me, and that's saying something. He's got 20 pages of consistently solid analysis, and he's picked up his game - 8 pages in the past 3 cycles. Very little fluff either.

As for being the SK, who knows. He could be, but so could any of us. I think there are better baddie and SK candidates out there though.

He also has the most and best TH lyrics.

Linki: Well dammit, that would do it. I caught a minute to read up at lunch, but didn't have time to post anything. I also thought I remembered it saying 7 last night, but I guess I was mistaken.