The Syndicate

Dom wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Dom wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Dom wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

MacDougall wrote:MP was right? You do realise that MP was Empire as was Daisy ergo right isn't really the word I'd use.

Well, they were both right.

Mac, I'm down to try to help you out, here. Why Matt today, specifically, of the 3? My understanding is you think he, Dom, and Wilgy are all bad, and that he's one of 2 Empire. I guess I don't see how killing him today helps you out.

Lynching me helps no one tbqh.


I think Mac is in need of a calming down. Any reason why he can't be bad that I can't remember? I'm just trying to get my numbers straight and wondering if I'm making a false assumption.

Yeah no, he could totally be bad as well. I was making a temporary simplifying assumption of honesty. This post doesn't make me feel like you're good, though, and if you're not then his chances of being increase dramatically.

Why?
What team do you suppose I am?

What??

Haha I've confessed to having read up to about 3 pages by now. How on Earth would I have an inkling of what team you're on? Tying my guess of your team to the idea that your previous post looked bad is a weak attempt to invalidate my first point by giving me an impossible task.

Your original post when I was discussing with Mac said nothing about your own alignment, despite the fact that Mac very clearly accused you of a specific one. Instead of going after the point itself, you tried to undermine the credibility of the point-maker. To make matters worse, you held off on actually accusing Mac of anything, which makes me think you didn't expect something like that to go over well. You couched your whole statement with this "well I may be missing an assumption" thing. My bullshit detector is screaming right now.

What?

I had a reason to believe he was a certain role. I no longer have reason to believe that and was wondering if anyone else had something I had missed.


I'm not tying your newfound suspicion of me to anything but logic. Am I Empire? No. I went after MP very hard and only missed the SD vote because I got drunk. I expressed interest in lynching Hutts a lot, and only missed the Jabba vote because I work retail and it was black Friday. That's not perfect, but I think my voting record speaks for itself.

Not expecting something to go well does not make someone bad. I have had mutliple clashes with Mac this game which have upset me in a very real way. So, yes, I'm reluctant to ever express doubt in him because when I do, I get told to eat dick or that I'm an asshole.

Dom wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Dom wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

MacDougall wrote:MP was right? You do realise that MP was Empire as was Daisy ergo right isn't really the word I'd use.

Well, they were both right.

Mac, I'm down to try to help you out, here. Why Matt today, specifically, of the 3? My understanding is you think he, Dom, and Wilgy are all bad, and that he's one of 2 Empire. I guess I don't see how killing him today helps you out.

Lynching me helps no one tbqh.


I think Mac is in need of a calming down. Any reason why he can't be bad that I can't remember? I'm just trying to get my numbers straight and wondering if I'm making a false assumption.

Yeah no, he could totally be bad as well. I was making a temporary simplifying assumption of honesty. This post doesn't make me feel like you're good, though, and if you're not then his chances of being increase dramatically.

Why?
What team do you suppose I am?

Dom wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

MacDougall wrote:MP was right? You do realise that MP was Empire as was Daisy ergo right isn't really the word I'd use.

Well, they were both right.

Mac, I'm down to try to help you out, here. Why Matt today, specifically, of the 3? My understanding is you think he, Dom, and Wilgy are all bad, and that he's one of 2 Empire. I guess I don't see how killing him today helps you out.

Lynching me helps no one tbqh.


I think Mac is in need of a calming down. Any reason why he can't be bad that I can't remember? I'm just trying to get my numbers straight and wondering if I'm making a false assumption.

MacDougall wrote:MP was right? You do realise that MP was Empire as was Daisy ergo right isn't really the word I'd use.

MacDougall wrote:Russ - Jawa
Niju - Jawa
Wilgy - Tuskan

Russ and Niju are both basically cross claiming by not disputing the read. This coupled with the dead Jawa's legacy makes me sure of them. Wilgy could be just a bad guy sending fake messages I guess... but Faraday seemed to be okay with him towards the end so yeah. I am pretty happy that all three of these are sorted.

Dom - Possible Hutt partner. I had a few pings around that ages ago but preferred other candidates that were proven wrong. His vote was absent on the day that Zebra, Brian and Enrique (all dead confirmed Hutt) were the candidates. That's not alignment indicative but it's strange as it was the only day he no voted. He could have also been silenced. If there are any of the four remaining who Zebra's last movements made look civilian it would be Dom and myself.

Matt - I believe he is Lando Calrissian based on the fact that he believes I am lying about my forced vote. He's done similar things before where he mistakes things for role claims. I think he thinks I am claiming his role. When in actuality (and I'm sure most agree) there are actually other quite obvious instances of force voting in this game. Matt seems to believe I am lying about being force voted, but he hasn't voted for me much (if at all), because I think he puts his vote up for sale so he can't actually choose who he is voting for hence voting for people like Niju and Bass randomly.

Daisy - Glorfindel and Daisy have been suspects all game. MP is evidently notorious for distancing so his insistent voting of Glorfindel and Daisy is (apparently) reflective of scum MP. Aside from that I sensed the sort of mafia panic in Spacedaisy when she was close to being lynched, the day she started personally insulting me (no hard feelings haha) didn't feel to me like a civilian (especially a replace in civilian) desperate to survive. Look at every other non Mafia lynch. Rarely did our civilians buck much. Spacedaisy reacted very angry. Like the last of a scum team would.

Mac - Golden had a scum read on me. He based it on the fact that he thought I was leading the town down wrong paths incorrectly, which since his demise has only made me look worse tbh haha. Aside from Matt saying I'm lying when I wasn't I haven't seen much else accusational towards me. I guess me being alive still is weird.

If we lynch Daisy today and we don't land a bad guy, it'll be terribly unfortunate. Dom is pretty likely to be the last Hutt at this point. Especially when you factor in his choice of kills. Me going around him day after day is a reason to leave me alive, whereas DFaraday I believe is someone who Dom has played with and considers quite capable so taking him out is a tactical move for a guy like Dom. Matt would almost have surely taken me out by now if he was bad.

Spacedaisy + Dom are all that's left I think, with a small chance of DrWilgy's poison PMs being Empire trickery.

nijuukyugou wrote:Damn! I'm usually good about voting, even when swamped, so my apologies for missing it like a dunce Would've either voted Bubbles (out of laziness from being busy) or Daisy again. Perhaps I'll be conscientious and use the extra Christmas time to catch up with the thread, since my family has a pretty low-key Christmas.

Merry Christmas Eve, everyone!

DFaraday wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Yay no death!

I'm continuing my streak by voting Wilgy. STREAK FOR THE CURE!

Russ, why exactly do you suspect Wilgy?

Dom wrote:Russ, how far behind are you?

MacDougall wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Hi everyone!

Mac why am/was I your top civ read?

And I don't know zebra very well, but (s)he is acting weird imo.

Not civ read. Just not scum. There are certain breadcrumbs that lead me to believe I know what you are.

a2thezebra wrote:Is he a Scrooge?

Dom wrote:If MP is invested in lynching baddies, where did his Glorf/Daisy suspicion go? Where did his Russ suspicion go? I thought he thought baddies might be laying low? Russ has 20 posts.

a2thezebra wrote:

Golden wrote:Trackers aren't foolproof, but it is still relevant that Roxy had MP down as scum.

Mind you, she also had Eloh down and I think that read was wrong. But maybe that was more just because they were clashing.

I will say - I've been offered a sum of credits to vote MP today, so if the case is convincing enough (or, if MP is clearly not going to be lynched), then that is the way I intend to vote today. On the other hand, it seems kind of horrid, even if the case is good, to force MP to defend too much today. It's just not going to be viable for him, so I'm conflicted about it.

That's the thing, all of the other players Roxy listed as scum were well-documented, and all of them besides MP were more likely than not because she was clashing with them, myself included.

MacDougall wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Hi everyone.

My thanksgiving travels are over so I'm back in the game. Thanks to the hosts for bearing with me, and apologies to you all for being MIA.

I meant to vote in this poll but I passed out after work today. I deserve to die.

Not reading all 55 pages of what has happened. I'll try to catch at least the basics and go from there, though.

Hi Talking Heads scum Russ. How are you going today?

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I need to vote pronto, it seems.

I really need to do some digging and ISOing before I can properly adjust my rainbow list, so... I'm sticking with a vote for my most recently expressed top mafia read, Glorfindel. Not that it matters for the result, but in spirit.

OK, MP, Golden, Mac, Zeb and the rest of you... sure, I could spend my time on some analysis, etc. but at this point, please explain to me what exactly would be the point. Just like Simon, you've already made up your minds about me and let's face the facts - because you're unwilling to seriously consider a vote on anyone inside your little clique, I'd pretty much be wasting my time as will you while you blissfully skip down the path to oblivion next day phase on another fanciful quest while the Mafia sit back and laugh at you all...

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Late night at work and I have to Skype the fiancee about our Seattle trip that starts tomorrow. Sorry for the flyby vote.

Going with MP, because he's bad to the bone.

How's that for baddie distancing, Mac?

An elaboration when you have the opportunity would be nice, Russ.

Golden wrote:I had no knowledge, and given Grand Moff Tarkin's role I'm not sure I would expect the day 0 poll to have more of an effect than what is publicly available. In that sense, I think the baddies would 'have knowledge'.

I don't know if Matt has any knowledge, but perhaps if he did it is that the death star can't blow up itself.

a2thezebra wrote:Also has everyone forgotten that MM has already voted? Am I the only one that is extremely bothered by that? Even Mac doesn't seem to care.

a2thezebra wrote:So if MM can get away with anything how are we supposed to catch him if he is scum? Again I ask, if his actions are meta-proof, what is his normal scum behavior?

a2thezebra wrote:

Simon wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Simon wrote:I'm here. I see there are a lot of players who aren't talking like me. I think it would be good to find and lynch Boba Fett because he can kill any night. We need to make sure he doesn't survive.

I agree. Now how do you suppose we go about doing that?

We should ask them. Russ, are you Boba Fett?

I'm interested in why you picked Russ first to ask.

MacDougall wrote:Russ looks very civ to me

MacDougall wrote: I think Russ, has by and large come across quite well, except for the point that bcornett swiftly pointed out, and that you did not point out despite apparently being onto him as scum.

It looks to me like you are scum and you are day 1 distancing a scum teammate. Your case on him has all the hallmarks of it. You have confirmation bias when it comes to his posts.

His (Enrique's) response to bcornett's Russtifinko suspicion looks genuine and should Russ be scum, he would not be in my opinion.

a2thezebra wrote:Why only that planet? You agree with DDL's logic and he himself said that they are viable to imitate the actions of everyone else by avoiding voting last every day.

First of all, "so quick"? Second, how is partial agreement a ping for you?

Golden wrote:My experience of DDL is that he always seems suspicious early on. I thought he was bad day one in economics and he wasn't.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Okay I'll admit I kind of made a mistake there. I said what was on my mind, then I realized saying it might have ruined it, so I tried to find a silver lining by talking about the metagame thing, which admitelly I still think might work.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

I want everyone to discuss this.

How are these two statements compatible?

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I think Dom and DFaraday are on the same line, just so you know.

Epi would tell us two lynches are more in the towns interest than one, so I guess we should vote for DomDfaraday

a2thezebra wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

Well I got someone to start baddie hunting, so I guess it was successful in that sense at least.

Well I like to discuss tactics. Not the first game I've done that. In any case, I have no intention of using such methods as failproof evidence of anyone being mafia, while ignoring other evidence. I just want to have them in mind in case we need to use them later, or maybe help people have their own ideas on how we can use the game mechanics to find mafia.

I get what you're saying DDL, and I appreciate your efforts to look for certain strategies (assuming these efforts are genuine, but I'll get to that in a bit), but I don't think I fully understand your logic here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm sure there would be plenty of civs as well as baddies who would avoid voting rather than risk being the last vote, so I'm not sure how that would make a player suspicious. Placing their own interests ahead of the town, sure, but not baddie per se.

Well I'm assuming the empire mafia knows what the planet is going to be destroyed is, so that means they wouldn't have to worry about being the last ones to vote in the other phases, but would have to worry in that specific phase where the planet explodes. I'm speculating that we could try to find that pattern. Of course there would be other players avoiding voting last, so it wouldn't be a conclusive evidence.

Of course, now that I've said that, they could also worry about it in every single phase just to attempt to mask the pattrn. Then again, if I get mafiosos to play in a non-optimal way just to avoid being found, that's a profit.

I love metagaming.

I agree with DFaraday. But more importantly, how would we able to find a pattern? What pattern? Assuming you're right and the empire knows which planet will be destroyed (which I wouldn't be too sure that that assumption is correct) that only means, as you said, they would only have to be cautious with that particular planet. One planet. So where's the pattern we're looking for? And you seem to be tip-toeing a bit here with your reasoning. Proposing a method of finding baddies only to follow it up with "so it wouldn't be conclusive evidence" makes me wonder why bring up that potential tactic in the first place? It seems like you're just saying things like this to appear as if you're contributing. And you make it worse by excusing that this imaginary pattern could be copied for each phase, so again, what's the point? And finally, how would you, and you mention you specifically rather than town as a whole, (why?) be able to get mafiosos to play in an unorthodox way to be spotted? Or am I simply misunderstanding your reasoning here? Please help me out here. Finally, to return to the original post:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Not the first game I've done that.

I'm not a fan of players hiding behind their meta especially in response to slight pings. Consider me slightly pinged as well.

Matt F wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I just saw this game started.

FYI the Death Star has a SUPER LASER that can destroy planets. I know how much you like your lasers.

Savage wrote: I just saw 29 next to my name and that's how many players are in the game. If I'm not last or the host was just kidding is cool then.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:The number next to you includes non players who vote in the non player option...

Plus, I think it only matters if you are last on the LYNCH poll, if I read the role correctly. So I don't think being last today matters.

NF doesn't have lynch polls, that's probably why he's confused.

NANANANANANA_BANANA wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I guess I should've warned you guys - there is something you don't know about me yet that you probably should. It's something that has unfortunately impacted EVERY game of Mafia I have ever played (to a greater or lesser extent)...

Yes, I am Australian!

Me too.

Omg why are there so many Aussies? Count me in being Australian

Golden wrote:Also, if you are Beru Lars, you may be pleased to remember you once looked like this:



Young Beru Lars may be one of the best things to come out of the prequel trilogy.

Although it should also be noted you ended up like this:

Savage wrote:Of course I'm last lol