The Syndicate

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Oh wow. That's a terrible typo. I meant to say 'Tyler', not 'Jack'. Please forgive my foolishness, and feel free to laugh at me.

I knew what you meant. I'm just messin' with ya

birdwithteeth11 wrote: When in reality, this game is about the Police vs. Jack and his recruits. One of those groups has to be dead or recruited in order for the game to end, and I think trying to form voting blocs is counter-intuitive to that.

If I see DH again, I will probably vote for him to go up against somebody who is powerful. Because he's the only person I've seen so far who I feel could be a recruit or Jack.

Who's Jack?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Effective immediately, DisgruntledPorcupine 2.0 is replacing Devin the Omniscient.

I am Jack's reluctant farewell.

Bye Devin! Welcome DP 2.0!

Mongoose wrote:I think we should go to Seattle next.

Ugh, the West Coast is the worst.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So, do you guys need help with the contents of my signature?

I'm surprised that it hasn't been solved and appropriately addressed yet. Might behoove you to do that ASAP.

I've got about half of it, but there are too many blanks for me to finish.

Never mind. I just got it. But I cannot "appropriately address" it yet.

MovingPictures07 wrote:So, do you guys need help with the contents of my signature?

I'm surprised that it hasn't been solved and appropriately addressed yet. Might behoove you to do that ASAP.

I've got about half of it, but there are too many blanks for me to finish.

Kylemii wrote:who is jack :0

I am Jack's multiple personality.

Also, I don't accept "most of the other players." Only four or five have said anything to that effect. That's far from most.

Keterman wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Keterman wrote:

Roxy wrote:Btw I do not lie as a civilian - ever.

Me neither. I think this applies to most players. And I still find it amusing that that particular excerpt of my two posts was the only thing he could manage to respond to.

It's not the only thing I could respond to. It's the only thing I chose to respond to.

If you care at all that you're a scum read for most of the other players, you should know it's effectively the same thing. Not defending yourself might as well be not being able to defend yourself to anyone that's not you.

If you have any questions, I would be happy to answer them. I am Jack's cheerful supplication..

Keterman wrote:

Roxy wrote:Btw I do not lie as a civilian - ever.

Me neither. I think this applies to most players. And I still find it amusing that that particular excerpt of my two posts was the only thing he could manage to respond to.

It's not the only thing I could respond to. It's the only thing I chose to respond to.

Dom wrote: It was mostly a joke that you trust me based on the fact that math tells us the probability of any individual player being not good is small?

The line about arrogance and subjective human reason was a joke. I am still more inclined to trust you than not, though, since I have no reason not to at this point and the odds are in your favor.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Do you think that your subjective human judgment is better than probability, Dom? What arrogance!

Probability tells us that there's no reason to suspect anyone. This tells me that you like to manipulate statistics in your favor.
Why the shade being thrown at me?

What, am I supposed to manipulate statistics in someone else's favor?
Also, that was mostly a joke.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote: Exactly, which is another reason why Dom's suspicion of me makes no sense. What have I done that makes me more likely to be bad than not? He won't answer the question.

Let the public see that Llama is grossly misrepresenting the extent of my suspicion and distrust. Let the public see that Llama is being highly manipulative.

That's fair. I think I was confusing your suspicion with DH's. I apologize if I misrepresented you.

Incidentally, does anyone know who fought in Penn's Grove last night? I am starting to keep records and that is one I am missing.

Roxy wrote:I am going to new castle to verify for my own self what DH said about a voting bloc. I want to make sure unfurl and you both want to go there.

Btw I do not lie as a civilian - ever.

Cool, I'll go there with you.

I am Jack's insatiable wanderlust.

So are we still going to Penn's Grove, Roxy and unfurl?

Long Con wrote:I am Jack's flowing adrenalin!

I am Jack's barely contained enthusiasm.

I would like to wish my noble opponent Long Con the best of luck in this fight and congratulate him for his bravery.

Roxy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Keterman wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Keterman wrote:your "I Just don't know" shtick comes off as fake to me, which in my mind, makes things worse for you.

Ah, but what makes you think I wouldn't be fake as a civilian? Since when is fake the same as bad?

That was your entire comeback? Fake does have a correlation with bad. If you sound like you're making a false argument, that warrants suspicion. Why would it not?

Civilians lie all the time.

What?
I do not understand - elaborate please.

I don't know how else you would like me to put that.

Have you never lied as a civilian? I have all the time. This can be for any number of reasons. You can try to draw people out, try to draw enough attention to yourself to avoid night kills, or just see what reaction you get. There's also the ever-looming boredom that must be staved off, and lying is a good way to do that. Catching someone in a lie does not mean they are bad, because civilians lie too. Everybody lies.

Keterman wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Keterman wrote:your "I Just don't know" shtick comes off as fake to me, which in my mind, makes things worse for you.

Ah, but what makes you think I wouldn't be fake as a civilian? Since when is fake the same as bad?

That was your entire comeback? Fake does have a correlation with bad. If you sound like you're making a false argument, that warrants suspicion. Why would it not?

Civilians lie all the time.

Keterman wrote:your "I Just don't know" shtick comes off as fake to me, which in my mind, makes things worse for you.

Ah, but what makes you think I wouldn't be fake as a civilian? Since when is fake the same as bad?

EBWOP: In the aboce post, I mention DH when I meant to say Dom, but the point applies to both of them.

unfurl wrote:I have seen baddies who are very out there in your face and do not neccesarily fly under the radar
just saying not every baddie is the same imho :P
It depends on the player behaviour/style patterns a lot times

Exactly, which is another reason why Dom's suspicion of me makes no sense. What have I done that makes me more likely to be bad than not? He won't answer the question.

Keterman wrote:The probability is that it's unlikely for Dom to be Tyler or Marla. But the probability is also that it's unlikely for anyone in particular to be Tyler or Marla, yet two people must be, and the general consensus of who one of them is has pointed at you and DH the most. That's why Dom doesn't trust you. I don't trust you either, but that's because I don't trust anyone.

Your distrust is sensible. Dom's is not. Why do my actions make me more likely to be Tyler? In order to conclude that, you must first :
1) formulate some idea of how Tyler is likely to behave, which in turn requires
2) an idea of what Tyler's goals are and what he is trying to accomplish and
3) the processes by which he will be able to accomplish his goals.

I don't have any clear picture of any of these, and thus no idea of what kind of behavior to "expect" from Tyler. In a traditional game, baddies win by flying under the radar and avoiding suspicions. I have certainly not done that. This is not a traditional game, though, and I don't know whether that strategy, or a strategy of intentionally drawing suspicion towards oneself would be better. It could be, but I just don't know. DH doesn't know either, unless he is one of the special roles that has more info than the rest of us.

Therefore, if DH is a civilian, his distrust of me is irrational and based on nothing. QED.

Do you think that your subjective human judgment is better than probability, Dom? What arrogance!

Dom wrote: why do you trust me

Because according to the roles, almost everyone is trustworthy except Tyler and possibly Marla and the people they recruit. That means the vast majority of us are trustworthy civilians and policemen. Probability says you're a great guy, and you have given me no reason to doubt you.

Why don't you trust me?

Dom wrote: I'm not sure he's bad, but I certainly am not trusting him right now. Not one bit.

Why not? I trust you.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote: The Police are the way to get Tyler, so, thellama, what are you worried about if people are saying you're Tyler? Let the Police check you, and if you're not Tyler or a recruit, then a group of BTSC officers will know about it. It's not so bad to be called Tyler... unless you ARE Tyler.

That's actually a really good point. I hadn't thought of that. I keep slipping back into ordinary "civvies lynch baddies" thinking, which doesn't seem to apply in this game (yet.)

Just wondering, what do you mean, 'yet'?
Do you have reason to believe that it will?

I have reason to believe that it's a mistake to assume that all the mechanics of an MP game are going to be obvious/unchanging/predictable. That reason is called "precedent."

Long Con wrote: The Police are the way to get Tyler, so, thellama, what are you worried about if people are saying you're Tyler? Let the Police check you, and if you're not Tyler or a recruit, then a group of BTSC officers will know about it. It's not so bad to be called Tyler... unless you ARE Tyler.

That's actually a really good point. I hadn't thought of that. I keep slipping back into ordinary "civvies lynch baddies" thinking, which doesn't seem to apply in this game (yet.)

Hedgeowl wrote: I would be happy to vote for you if you want to fight though llama.

Thank you! You are super!

unfurl wrote: linki, it seems like thellama wants to steal roxy away from me :P

No, I just want to go with you guys.

Roxy wrote:I would consider traveling with you at least once unfurl. I will consider New Castle to confirm what others have said about DH. I would like to see if he proposed a voting bloc there like llama did here and then DH rambled on and on not to trust llama bc of it. He really hammered his point so I am very curious if he did in fact suggest the same in NC.

Roxy, I really like the way your mind is working this game, so I would like to propose an alliance between the two of us. I suggest we travel together and vote together to watch each other's backs. What do you say?

Keterman wrote: How do you feel about more than one person suggesting you might be Tyler? I'm not sure how you would defend yourself there, but I'm curious as to what you have to say about it.

Thank you Keterman, for being the most intelligent person in the thread so far.

Honestly I h=find it very funny and a little frustrating.

What is the evidence that I am Tyler? I have been vocal, flippant and have proposed a number of crazy theories. It's like every time a new game starts, everyone I've ever played with develops amnesia. This i how I play every game . It's called "amusing myself" which is the whole reason I play mafia to begin with.

If you look at the games I have played in the past, I tend to be quieter when I am bad, because a successful baddie avoids drawing attention to himself. I have done nothing but draw attention to myself this game. It amazes me that people like SVS and DH, with whom I have played many games, have not recognized this pattern yet.

If anyone is Tyler, it is Hedgeowl. She had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned Home Towns, which leads em to believe her role is written differently than the rest of ours.

Anyway, I want to fight, as I have not done so yet. Can I fight Long Con? That would be fun.

Hedgeowl wrote:Hellooo Wilmington! Ketermen and I have returned from New Castle bearing news, but no beer.

Was it worth it? I am considering leaving tomorrow, but not if it's going to suck.

Welcome unfurl and welcome back Keterman!

I just sent in my application for private detective. I am letting you guys know so you don't waste your time. There's virtually no chance anyone but me gets this position.

Kylemii wrote:Hello. Looks like things are more interesting here than whatever place I was at before

What's up?

Hi Kyle! Welcome! We just had some, shall I say, rather hostile and unfriendly visitors from Delaware City. I don't want a repeat of that nightmarish day. Will you be my friend?

DharmaHelper wrote:Welcome to Wilmington newcomers.

Don't trust llama and don't allow him to fight and gain skill.

DH doesn't know anything. He just has a personal grudge against me because I am more honest than the other players. Be friends with me, and together we can accomplish great things.

S~V~S wrote:Also, I have to say that one thing that strikes me as suspicious is people trying to foster an "us against them" city/thread dynamic. That is EXACTLY what I did as a baddie in Survivor, and it worked for our team, I was in the final two with my civvie teammate. I convinced my tribe mates that the OTHER tribe was the enemy, not the baddies. We worked them up good The win cons were similar to here~ the civs win with each other, not with only their city.

The other threads are NOT the enemy; Project Mayhem IS. We need to keep that in sight.

Linki~ she might not be in this thread? Or maybe you did. I have not seen her name at the bottom on the main page, and she is not one to go invisible. Hopefully in DC we run into someone from your original city, and they can tell you for sure.

If you really believe this, then why are you so against me? Do you believe me to be a member of project Mayhem? I assure you I am not.

I am going to.... stay here! Small Pond, meet Big Fish.

Long Con wrote:How do we win this game? How do we find baddies, and how do we eliminate them when we do?

I don't know, but I assume we fight them until they die. It seems pretty stacked against the civs though, since the members of project Mayhem presumably have way more info than us and we are just fighting each other blindly. I am still not sure what I plan to do today.

I'm rooting for Sorsha. Go Sorsha!

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Curse you, DH.

Better luck next city, pal. Assuming you don't come to DC with us. If you did, I'd love to fight you there.

I might take you up on that. I'm feeling restless.

You're gonna get plenty of rest after I knock you out don't worry.

Talk is cheap, my friend.

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Curse you, DH.

Better luck next city, pal. Assuming you don't come to DC with us. If you did, I'd love to fight you there.

I might take you up on that. I'm feeling restless.

Curse you, DH.

Roxy wrote:vote for yourself
Or
A low poster again.

Done. Thanks, Roxy!

Who should I vote for, guys?

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Dom wrote:Says the person who wants all the newcomers (me) dead.

That may be, but I lack the power to kill you right now, so we might as well get along, don't you think?

I know who I want to have power never, lol.

Is it DharmaHelper? You and I are in agreement, then.

Dom wrote:Says the person who wants all the newcomers (me) dead.

That may be, but I lack the power to kill you right now, so we might as well get along, don't you think?

Dom wrote:In fact, we might make you stronger by doing so.

Which is something you should want to do, because then I will be your ally and I am a good ally to have.

Dom wrote:I'm having a hard time keeping everything straight because of thread changes and such, but didn't llama already battle? Did he win or lose, I cannot remember.

I think I've been quite clear that I'm a lover, not a fighter.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm in between bullz, Sorsha, (both of whom are wanting to fight today) and llama (because of his willingness earlier to want to force newcomers to fight). Will make a decision in a bit.

I don't think you have the guts to pick me.