The Syndicate

Should I take a player banner and further clutter up my sig needlessly? I think I should.

Roxy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Good game guys. Another baddie win, lol.
I can't believe the dismal Civvie track record in the Jobs section of the Hall of Fame. Wow! Do we need more powerful Civvie teams in this meta?
It's an issue I've tried to address here:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ?f=8&t=404

I find two reasons for the rampant string of Mafia victories:

1. Overpowered Mafia with an unbalanced ratio.
2. Apathetic or uninvested civilians.
I agree bc it is what happened in this game.
Not the overpowered mafia obv as there was a trio of players that were alive longest all from different teams.
Uninterested civs.
I cannot tell you how MANY PM's I sent out prior to the start of night literally BEGGING the civ players to use their power.

Never in any game that I have hosted have I seen so many civs not bothering to post, play or use their night action(s). It really bummed me out after all the work that went into creating a fun and balanced game - to have to beg people to use their ability. As a matter of fact there were a few that NEVER got used r if they had the civs would have had better chance than what they did.

My favorite completely unused role - The Dead Collector could choose any dead power they wanted to - they had kills, blocks, protections etc at their disposal and yet never used - a real bummer especially as it was my favorite role.

I've had this experience as a host as well, and it is very frustrating. Especially when you have crafted the rolls to be balanced, and then one player not using their ability throws the game out of balance.

S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:It could also be civvies that play their roles as individuals rather than as members of a team; everyone wants to be a chief, no one wants to be an Indian. And civvies need Indians more than chiefs; too many chiefs, and the Indians lose interest. A trend I have noticed here is the civvies waste too much time suspecting each other becasue they are not even trying to play together or as a group.

I could be wrong, but IMO the games here are not any more out of, or in, balance than they are, or were, anywhere else
Are you implying that all Native Americans are followers?

Seriously, I think the issue is more that, in a full game, there's 48 hours to talk, but many people (mostly civilians) will wait until the last few hours to "catch up" and vote. These people have not allowed themselves the luxury of processing and digesting the information. Then what ends up happening is that they vote between the two (or three) people who have the most votes (or self vote- even worse) and call it a day. They're okay because it isn't them. If I have one skill as a FEB, it's forcing the false dilemma between two civilians. And most of the time it works like a charm.
But every other place I have played it was 50/50 tbh, and the games had balance similar to ours. Except STV, where the civvies won more often than not, and that's because they were all very active for the most part. No chiefs. Here a lot of people seem to be playing to win THEMSELVES, rather than playing for the civvie cause. Perhaps because so many of our players started playing here, we grew our own culture. But I think the "*I* wanna win" culture we have going would see more civvie wins if it became "*WE* wanna win".

I don't really understand the distinction. How can you play as a team when you don't know who is on your team or who is trying to betray you? YOU are the only person you can really trust, so it makes fusing as a team difficult.

I think uninterested civvies who don't really do any analysis and just follow the crowd is a bigger problem.

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:The civvies won Clue. Just sayin'.
I'm so taking credit for that one, too.

You deserve it, although if Boogs had tried to kill someone other than you it would have been a mighty close shave.

The civvies won Clue. Just sayin'.

I can't believe you guys let Long Con live until the end. I told you he was bad ages ago!

Good game, guys!

nijuukyugou wrote:Yes, my son. And rezz me, too!

And also me!

Yay, I am on the poll! Lynch me!

Told you. Have fun, everyone! Thanks for a great game, Roxy and DisPor!

The poll ends in two hours and I am being railroaded by baddies. Where are all the civs?

I've been attacked by everybody, over everything. I legitimately don't know which attacks you're referring to or I would answer them.

LoRab wrote:Did you not read her posts?

I did but it was a long time ago and I don't remember what she said. Refresh my memory.

LoRab wrote:Need to vote now. Svs gave reasons for her suspicion, which he didn't answer the. Not does he now. Just saying no I'm not bad does t cut it for me.

What reasons? I asked you bfeore and you just said: "She thinks you are bad." Give me something to respond to and I will respond to it.

juliets wrote:I'm going to be out running errands and don't know that I'll be back before the lynch is over so I'm going to go ahead and vote llama.

Seriously don't. I mean, I know you are mafia, juliets, but wouldn't you rather keep me around to absorb votes from you and your kind than be on record voting to kill a civ?

You guys are going to have such egg on your face.

I'm fairly busy today. I'm going to go ahead and place my vote on Bullz, and I can move it later if need be. I am willing to trust Boogs today.

LoRab wrote:Svs was pretty darn sure that you were bad when she died. What's your response to that.

I have no idea what I am supposed to say to that. That is not an accusation one can defend against. "SVS said you're bad, what do you say?" I say I'm not bad.

LoRab wrote: I repeat my question to llama about if he responded to svs/god's accusations. Will hold off on voting but that's where my vote will likely go.

What accusations are you referring to? I will be happy to respond, but I don't know what you mean.

I tend to trust Boogs on this, because I don't think he has a strong incentive to lie right now. He was not taking any attention, so he doesn't need to save himself. If he were bad, he could simply stay silent and still have a good chance of seeing a civvie lynched. I don't think anyone was in such immediate, inevitable danger that this kind of hail Mary would be necessary.

Boogs wrote:
Long Con wrote:So Boogs, you want us to not lynch Llama today?
My vision in the mirror shows me a vision that Bullzeye is not of the ways of the Civ. However, if Llama is his teammate and we agree then I can support a Llama vote as well. I just know the cloudy shadows hover over the Bullz one.

As the Spartans said to the Persians: "if."

I am certainly not in cahoots with Bullzeye, and will happily vote for him alongside you, as I suspect your crystal ball is quite precise.

Long Con wrote:So Boogs, you want us to not lynch Llama today?

I would like that very much, thank you.

I don't understand why MM said he wasn't afraid of being lynched. That was such a suspicious thing to say. Maybe when his role goes up on the front page we will get some insight. I thought he was going to flip The Black Knight, who I assumed would be bad, on the basis of his comment.

Anyway, I'm sorry MM.

Right, I have to go out so I am voting now. MetalMarsh's latest posts appealing to me for opinions and claiming he isn't scared of being lynched make me feel nervous about him, and I think Mongoose is unlikely to be bad, so I will vote for MM.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I find it odd that MM chose me to solicit an opinion (ostensibly a defense) from. As someone who has a good chance of being lynched tomorrow (and would flip most resolutely civ), I expect MM thinks a vote of confidence from me would secure his survival.

I'll be honest, I have not been particularly suspicious of MM this game until this question, which rings all sorts of alarm bells for me.
Sorry for the multiple posts.

I want your opinion because I haven't really gotten anything from you directly game, but maybe that was because of your read on me. I'm also trying to gauge your responses as well because I have grown very suspicious of you ever since Made was lynched.

I'm also not afraid of being lynched, so I'm trying to get as much reaction and interaction as I can if it were to happen.

Why are you not afraid of being lynched? That's an odd thing to say, and every time someone says it, it makes me think they are bluffing. Although maybe you think being lynched will only result in a flesh wound.

I think it is natural to assume the French are baddies, if that is what you are asking, since they are the closest thing to a villain the movie has. Like I said, I had no real read on you until now, but your more recent posts are making me nervous. Right now I am looking for players who have not really stood out to me, since I think that is where the baddies are most likely to be hiding, while us big blustery blowhards kill each other.

I would also like to add that I firmly do not think Mongoose is bad. I happen to know that she is going through a lot of RL stuff at the moment, as well as hosting her own game, and I find her relative lack of participation completely normal. I think I know her style pretty well, and to me she reads like someone too busy to really keep up rather than someone who has a team to help her craft better arguments than the ones she has been making.

I find it odd that MM chose me to solicit an opinion (ostensibly a defense) from. As someone who has a good chance of being lynched tomorrow (and would flip most resolutely civ), I expect MM thinks a vote of confidence from me would secure his survival.

I'll be honest, I have not been particularly suspicious of MM this game until this question, which rings all sorts of alarm bells for me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I do want llama's view on this. He seems to have deliberately avoided talking about it, or about me in general for that matter. Llama usually calls me out on something before now in games.

What would you like me to ay about you? What would you like me to call you out on?

Mongoose's posts always sound forced to me regardless of her alignment. I think she overthinks them.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Long Con wrote:Now Mongoose voted Canuck... Such weird!
Except the opposite because Canuck's not on the poll.

I haven't been getting the civviest feelings from Mongoose's posts, but my real problem is llama. I have been pretty sure he is civ, but reevaluating if I am super off. People said Mongooses defense of him was strange and possibly forced, but I haven't seen a forced defense before. I do remember in Supernatural being forced to do the opposite and make a case on Tranq. Juliets were you the trickster role in that game? Have others seen roles with forced defense before?

Maybe some people just know my play style better than others.

Whoa, there MM. I haven't decided anything yet. Just thinking.

Long Con wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:RIP bwt ;(

I don't like the limited poll options, but I wasn't around to help with the competition anyways so I guess I can't complain too much about being on the losing side.
Given the way the conversation has been going, I find them quite a relief, actually.
Yes, very timely! Congrats on the win.

Thank you. You are most kind.

I have to admit, as suspicious as I find you. I am fairly tempted to go after a quiet person this time, because I feel like the baddies are letting the noisy people kill each other while they stay silent. After Made and SVS, I am nervous about lynching another very active, high posting player.

fingersplints wrote:RIP bwt ;(

I don't like the limited poll options, but I wasn't around to help with the competition anyways so I guess I can't complain too much about being on the losing side.

Given the way the conversation has been going, I find them quite a relief, actually.

Long Con wrote:Protip: Dennis doesn't know any more than the rest of us.

I said that already.

Agreed about BWT. Right good chap. I will miss him sorely.

I find the suggestion that anyone would recruit me laughable. Laughable, I say. I always take tons of votes. Recall, I didn't get recruited in Fight Club until the very, very end. Too risky to do so earlier.

Thanks, God! You'll forgive me if I don't quiver at your threats though.

GOD wrote:See that role secret? I sure can, Ungulate. Probably should not have been so eager to lynch me

Revealing your role secrets in thread is against the rules.

Dead players can't post on topic, God. YOu should know that. The fact that you could be lynched at all makes me question your divinity, I must say.

Who said "Anyway, from the Gospel according to Busch" Epignosis

" I warned yo" Tim

"but really my comment was in jest. MP

Who said "Well what seems to be the trouble?" piglet

Who said "I'm not interested." Arthur

"I felt pretty sure about MR and that didn't turn out well at all." Dana

"What a strange person" King Arthur

Dana wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Dana wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Neutral is not civvie! I'm counting that as a win!
Dennis said God was good.
Dennis doesn't know anything.
How do you know?

Because he's an ignorant peasant ranting about anarcho-syndicalism. He probably doesn't even believe in God.

Dana wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Neutral is not civvie! I'm counting that as a win!
Dennis said God was good.

Dennis doesn't know anything.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^^Every lynch where you don't die.

Well, yes. Kind of.

Neutral is not civvie! I'm counting that as a win!

Bullzeye wrote:There's still a bunch of people who haven't voted, and like half an hour for them to show up. You might be fine.

Yeah, but I have to leave soon and wanted to post in case I didn't get another chance.

Well, in case I die, I had fun this game, Roxy and DP, as well as all the rest of you in thread. Sorry if I came off too aggressive or rude. I just get worked up about this game. I hope whoever dies will provide some illumination. SVS has truly been a worthy adversary this game.

Mongoose wrote: Also, llama isn't bad, so don't vote for him or I think you will be very sad. He is one of our very best baddie hunters, and it would be a shuckin' shame to throw that out with yesterday's fish refuse.

I am the best baddie hunter who never actually finds baddies ever!

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