The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Every time I've had BTSC in a Mafia game this year, it's been with with no-show.
That's a frustrating position to be in.

Not as frustrating as being one vote away from victory and having everyone think you called out your only teammate on Day 1.
That's what happens Mr. "Golly gee I can't tell my two teammates apart from each other."

That was true though!

Epignosis wrote:Every time I've had BTSC in a Mafia game this year, it's been with with no-show.

That's a frustrating position to be in.

Not as frustrating as being one vote away from victory and having everyone think you called out your only teammate on Day 1.

I have a new signature.

Good game Quin! Good game Baddies! I was only one lynch away from winning, and I'm still proud of my game, even though I lost.

sprityo wrote:Sadly no,

Although I am sad that we killed independent

But it was also llama so I have to regrets

I can't believe you're going to win after I caught you. It's an unjust world.

I was on your side, foolish civilians.

GLorfindel juliets! NOooooooooooo!

Unvote Juliets
Vote JJJ

Unvote Juliets
Vote JJJ

Juliets, move your vote to JJJ. He tipped his hand with the kill analysis.

Juliets, what do you make of the fact that JJJ found the last kill "obvious"?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
juliets wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I intend to use all of this day phase before I make a final decision. Everyone here, including you Glorfindel, would be well advised to continue speaking with me. Provide not only your own best defense, but also your best theory for the guilty party. Please help me here. If anyone has any questions for me, ask.
I now think it is llama. He bussed Mac immediately on day 1 in GOC - bussed him before any real ground swell took place for the vote. I thought it wasn't him because of the his lack of time at the beginning of the game but it could be that sprityo really did slip and then they decided llama would bus him. I don't see any other option. It is not me. I know this may not be the best defense but I never would have killed SVS. I would have left her for last, especially since she quasi-defended me to llama.

My only other thought is it may be you JJJ. It's odd that you aren't dead.
You're correct about the Mac example. There is some manner of precedent, though the difference in game style makes me hesitate to rely too much on such a parallel.

I have taken a decent amount of heat in this game and my survival often lends itself to tinfoiling. I can only guess at why I am alive though. The last kill was kind of obvious anyway in Made I think.

I found the last kill odd. If I were bad. I would have wanted to take out someone who had a vote to cast.

Consider this as well. Juliets was the only one who believed me about the Sprityo slip when Epi asked. She followed my vote. She defended me, and said she thought I was good. Suddenly JJJ is more trustworthy because "gut". WHy the switch?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I could be persuaded to vote JJJ. I feel like this kind of confidence usually comes from bad JJ. Still rather kill Glorf though.
llama, can you point to an example, just off the cuff by memory, of me being exceedingly confident as a baddie that you were basing this assumption on?

Not from memory, no. I tend to view you as a confident, active baddie though. Where you bad in Biblical mafia? I feel like you were on your A game in that one, although it's hard to remember because of the socks.

Has Sprityo talked about Juliets at all? I don't think he has.

Also, I hope Glorfindel will decide to join me, because I know Sprityo won't.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's one of the two of you. I'm going to review everything as quickly as I can and see where it leaves me.
Bear this in mind. Juliets can't possibly back up a case against me. She's flipping over now because that's what any baddie in her position would do. Epi's contention that I planned to bus a teammate in a two-mafia game on the first day hen no one else had even brought him up and I had no time for planning because I was getting take out Chinese is madness. Juliets doesn't believe it either, but she thinks she can get me lynched and win the game. Think it through.
Here's where I agree: I don't think it's likely that you had enough time to coordinate a thought-out bussing plot. It can still be a spur-of-the-moment decision now. Accusations of slips often don't take after all. You are reputed for your gambits and I have to consider the possibility.

Fair enough. I'm voting for Juliets because I don't buy her suspicion of me when she has no reason to trust you other than "gut". That's fake. I hope you will decide to join me.

juliets wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
juliets wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's one of the two of you. I'm going to review everything as quickly as I can and see where it leaves me.
Bear this in mind. Juliets can't possibly back up a case against me. She's flipping over now because that's what any baddie in her position would do. Epi's contention that I planned to bus a teammate in a two-mafia game on the first day hen no one else had even brought him up and I had no time for planning because I was getting take out Chinese is madness. Juliets doesn't believe it either, but she thinks she can get me lynched and win the game. Think it through.
Well I don't think its JJJ and Glorf doesn't lie. And its not me.
Why don't you think it's JJ?
It's nothing more than a gut read. Last time you were bad you went after me. I think you find me an easy lynch so that also weighs into my feelings.

I don't find you an easy lynch at all. You almost never get lynched, as I believe I've said. Look at how eager SVS was to defend you earlier simply because she likes you IRL. That's good friendship, but not good mafia playing. You skate by on popularity too often and it makes me nervous of you.

You've got two players to choose from, Juliets. One of them caught a baddie on day one without any prompting or need to save his own skin. What reason do you have to trust the other one more?

juliets wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's one of the two of you. I'm going to review everything as quickly as I can and see where it leaves me.
Bear this in mind. Juliets can't possibly back up a case against me. She's flipping over now because that's what any baddie in her position would do. Epi's contention that I planned to bus a teammate in a two-mafia game on the first day hen no one else had even brought him up and I had no time for planning because I was getting take out Chinese is madness. Juliets doesn't believe it either, but she thinks she can get me lynched and win the game. Think it through.
Well I don't think its JJJ and Glorf doesn't lie. And its not me.

Why don't you think it's JJ?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's one of the two of you. I'm going to review everything as quickly as I can and see where it leaves me.

Bear this in mind. Juliets can't possibly back up a case against me. She's flipping over now because that's what any baddie in her position would do. Epi's contention that I planned to bus a teammate in a two-mafia game on the first day hen no one else had even brought him up and I had no time for planning because I was getting take out Chinese is madness. Juliets doesn't believe it either, but she thinks she can get me lynched and win the game. Think it through.

juliets wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
juliets wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Ass. That might confirm Made though.

Epignosis wrote:I don't suspect Made.
Exactly what I was thinking, which means the last baddie has to be you or Juliets. I think it's Juliets. She is sneaky. Look at that last round vote, avoiding both wagons.
It's not me but it might be you llama. I stood up for you but now I'm thinking I might have made a mistake.
AH I see. Now ttta it's lylo, you can turn on me. Exactly what a sneaky baddie in your position would do.
I don't know where you get sneaky from. Can you name a game where I was "sneaky"?

The Hobbit.

Juliets Coffee is dead. Long live Juliets Sneaky.

juliets wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Ass. That might confirm Made though.

Epignosis wrote:I don't suspect Made.
Exactly what I was thinking, which means the last baddie has to be you or Juliets. I think it's Juliets. She is sneaky. Look at that last round vote, avoiding both wagons.
It's not me but it might be you llama. I stood up for you but now I'm thinking I might have made a mistake.

AH I see. Now ttta it's lylo, you can turn on me. Exactly what a sneaky baddie in your position would do.

Juliets, why so sneaky?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Ass. That might confirm Made though.

Epignosis wrote:I don't suspect Made.

Exactly what I was thinking, which means the last baddie has to be you or Juliets. I think it's Juliets. She is sneaky. Look at that last round vote, avoiding both wagons.

RIP Epi.

I'm going to be so angry at both you and Glorf if this ends up not being true.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
thellama73 wrote:How sure are you that Glorf doesn't lie, JJJ?
Absolutely.

UNVOTE: GLORFINDEL
VOTE: EPIGNOSIS

How sure are you that Glorf doesn't lie, JJJ?

Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think it's 4:2:1. A mislynch sends the game to a LyLo reliant upon the indy.
I say this with my mind on Made. We have to make that decision now. Do we eliminate the question mark or do we carry it on and hope for the best? I vote for the latter. It's a shit sandwich but I want to vote for a suspect.

I don't know why, but something tells me it's not Made.

Glorfindel wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Let me ask you this: Raise your hand if you think sprityo accidentally slipped in his first post?
I don't know. That is not why I voted for him.

Yeah, you voted for him because you wanted to look good by bussing your unkillable teammate.

Quin wrote:3J - llama
Epi - 3J, Glorfindel

Day ends in 9 minutes.

I changed mine to Glorfindel.

I don't like Glorf's vote for Epi. Feels insincere.

Unvote JJJ
Vote: Glorfindel

Epignosis wrote:Let me ask you this: Raise your hand if you think sprityo accidentally slipped in his first post?

*raises hand*

Quin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
sprityo wrote:
juliets wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Actually, it does help. Baddis have to alternate sending in the kill, and we've had two in a row, which means it can't be Made and it likely isn't Glorf. That leaves Epi, Juliets, and JJJ. Hmmm.

Vote JJJ
What do you mean alternate sending in the kill?

I ain't kill shit
It was in the rules - they have to alternate sending in the kill.

Who's to say i cant act for my teammate if say, they were busy driving a car, or onboard a transit?
HOST: When you say a kill must be "performed" by alternate mafia members, does that mean their teammate cannot send the action in for them?
I would allow a teammate to send in the actions of their teammate if they were absent.

I hate that answer. It destroys what I thought I knew. Made and Glorf are back on the table.

Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Later S~V~S.

Epi, if I recall you said earlier that you didn't think sprityo slipped but could still be bad. In that scenario is there a need for a plan to exist?
No there isn't. But after llama's theatrical back and forth with sprityo, combined with the fact that he buddied MP and S~V~S (the first two NK victims), I am adamant in my view.

And why do you suppose those were the first two NK targets?

sprityo wrote:
juliets wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Actually, it does help. Baddis have to alternate sending in the kill, and we've had two in a row, which means it can't be Made and it likely isn't Glorf. That leaves Epi, Juliets, and JJJ. Hmmm.

Vote JJJ
What do you mean alternate sending in the kill?

I ain't kill shit
It was in the rules - they have to alternate sending in the kill.

Who's to say i cant act for my teammate if say, they were busy driving a car, or onboard a transit?

HOST: When you say a kill must be "performed" by alternate mafia members, does that mean their teammate cannot send the action in for them?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I didn't even see that rule until now.

Clever.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Later S~V~S.

Epi, if I recall you said earlier that you didn't think sprityo slipped but could still be bad. In that scenario is there a need for a plan to exist?

JJJ, I've determined that the remaining baddie must be you, jules, or Epi. You will no doubt claim it's not you, so is it Jules or Epi?

Jules and Epi, same question.

Actually, it does help. Baddis have to alternate sending in the kill, and we've had two in a row, which means it can't be Made and it likely isn't Glorf. That leaves Epi, Juliets, and JJJ. Hmmm.

Vote JJJ

Well, that doesn't help. I knew SVS was civ.

Okay, le sigh. Now my task for Day 3 is to decide whether I think Epi is being dense or devious.

Dense or Devious! A party game for the whole family!

I'm going to be quiet during the night phase to give Epi time to catch up, so he can see what a foolish fool he's being by accusing me.

Ricochet wrote:wow

idiots

HISSS

Quin wrote:3J - Ricochet
Glorf - llama
Rico - 3J

These are the only votes I have, is this accurate?

Day ends in 2 minutes.

Not anymore it ain't.

Unvote: Glorfindel.

Vote: Ricochet.

Ricochet wrote:
sprityo wrote:
Ricochet wrote:S~v~s, I d1 suss, awwwwwwfullly quiet right currently
That's because with all the pressure you want to put on Jay, SVS gets to relax back in the cool kids club
quiet

Why, are you afraid he'll slip again and reveal you as his teammate?

Quin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:HOST: do ties result in a no lynch?
I'll flip a however-many-sided coin.

Good, then I don't need to move my vote.

HOST: do ties result in a no lynch?

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