The Syndicate

For the record, I wanted to state that I did not lie about my insanification.

Thanks for the game, MP!

MovingPictures07 wrote:My flight has been canceled.

Again.

I am livid.

You shouldn't worry about that.

For the record, I didn't lie about my curse.

Is this the end of Rico? No time to catch up today. Busy day at work. I'm going to go ahead and vote for DH because he is bad and he already has a vote so it decreases my chances of dying slightly.

I admit I was wrong about bea, but I still think it is weird that everyone immediately assumed it was a tie when the votes didn't read that way.

I already said I am not Dr. Fetus, so that destroys one of your points.

Hedgeowl wrote: People I do not feel good about: Llama

Right back at ya, Hedgebaddie.

It's like you don't know me at all.

BigDamnHero wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:This is not a discussion of you.

Everything is a discussion of me. There are just varying levels of tangents.

Quit Folding Raincoat to overhaul this all macaronic overthwart. You're virago an immune overhaul role, drawing fire Ceb18 wagon suspicion away from your teammates.

I don't have any teammates, but thank you for talking about me.

Is it disconcerting to anyone else that the alpaca here is trying to insert himself into the conversations. We ARE sure Media is dead, right?

Did it ever occur to you that I might just be lonely and want attention?

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I mainly ask becasue BWT posted in the other game, but not in here.

Linki~ Yeah, i think so, based on the crap that went down at the beginning. I think llama just likes being in the limelight.

Well, you know what they say: "Living on a lighted stage / Approaches the unreal / For those who think and feel"

Bea, so glad to see you back. I think you're a dang ole goodie.

Why did you break that lyric off in mid-sentence? It makes no sense as you have it there.

Boomslang wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:This is not a discussion of you.

Everything is a discussion of me. There are just varying levels of tangents.

Quit Folding Raincoat to overhaul this all macaronic overthwart. You're virago an immune overhaul role, drawing fire Ceb18 wagon suspicion away from your teammates.

I don't have any teammates, but thank you for talking about me.

I'm not Fetus or Cohen. I am Apollo though, if that helps with the riddle.

S~V~S wrote:This is not a discussion of you.

Everything is a discussion of me. There are just varying levels of tangents.

S~V~S wrote: I will not support a lynch of you, but i won't support one of BDH either.

What about me?

BDH, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Bomps and Bea both dead? Score!

I can't believe how simpatico me and Lizzy are this game.

Flyin' High wrote: @llama: I'm pretty sure I see what S~V~S is saying. And I think you're intentionally ignoring it.

I'm still waiting to hear how someone else can know my thoughts. I wish Mongoose was here because she is a lawyer and would understand that when a witness says "I do not recall" there is no way to disprove that, because you can't know what people are thinking.

I am not intentionally ignoring anything SVS is saying. I have explained what happened, and she cpersists in calling me a liar. If she believes I am a liar, fine. She is wrong, but fine. But she cannot KNOW it. So far, only Hedgeowl has acknowledged this.

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm glad you're here Nev. Someone I can reason with.

Do you agree with me that, pending a Zodac result, the most logical explanation for Bea surviving and for her lynch vote begging is that she is one of the unlynchable, or limitedly lynchable roles?

What do you think of timmer and Hedgeowl immediately leaping to the opposite conclusion that Vompatti somehow got more votes or it was a tie?

I haven't been giving hedgeowl much thought this game, but her comments today scream baddie to me.

Apparently I should have read th linki before posting and actaully you know defending you a little.

I responded to you already and you ignored it apparently and instead are trying to get Nev to create a case on me and Timmer. Where did I say I thought it was a tie? Quotes please cause I explained exactly what I thought happened with Vomps., a lynch stop.

In fact Nev mentioned the exact same possibilty in his post referring to the first Vomps lynch. Now I havent compared the two, but so i dont know, so its a guess like everything else now.

Keep saying I called it a tie or vote mani and I will have to start calling you a liar too. :P

YOu're right, you didn't say it was a tie. I apologize. But you did leap to the conclusion that the person with the most votes was not the one with the lynch stop, and I still find that odd, especially given that an unlynchable role is just the kind that would beg to be lynched.

If you are right, then, there should be a kill by Zodac tonight, right?
I guess we will have to wait and see.

I'm glad you're here Nev. Someone I can reason with.

Do you agree with me that, pending a Zodac result, the most logical explanation for Bea surviving and for her lynch vote begging is that she is one of the unlynchable, or limitedly lynchable roles?

What do you think of timmer and Hedgeowl immediately leaping to the opposite conclusion that Vompatti somehow got more votes or it was a tie?

I haven't been giving hedgeowl much thought this game, but her comments today scream baddie to me.

bea wrote: again - i ask - how is not telling the full truth about that particular curse helpful to the civs?

it for what I understand is a civ curse. Why would you be less than honest about your intentions for flaunting it?

I mean...really - esplain this to me like I'm a 3 year old. I just don't understand why you would a) be so insisntant this was outside our understanding when b) it's completely obvious that it's a civ curse and c) why is flouting that civ curse good for any cvis? really? please. I don't understand that logic - explain it to me.

a) I am telling the full truth about my curse.
b) I didn't flaunt it. I misread the PM and the insanifier messed with my poetry until I got a clarification from MP that I could manually fix it.

Now you explain to me like I'm a three year old:
a) how you can know whether I'm lying or not, when a lie is defined my my thought process, which you cannot know
b) how would me lying about this be good for ANYONE? Including me? What reason would I have to tell so stupid a lie? How does that benefit me?

Honestly, I am now just wishing this game was over so we can talk about this like adults instead of having to sit here and be called a liar over and over again.

S~V~S wrote:

timmer wrote:If its any consolation I'm looking at the roles and not understanding what is going on here either lol but im not fully caught up!

Someone gave Llama a poetry curse (along with Devin), and he intentionally did not follow the instructions. Not sure why, but I know this is so. Llama cannot figure out why I might know this was the case re his poetry curse.

i suggest he read the roles. At this juncture, i am going to bed as I should have done hours ago.

I've read the roles four times since you suggested that to try to figure out what you are talking about. There is nothing in any of the roles that lets you read intentions. I am astonished that you cannot understand that.

I have explained what happened with the curse, and it is the truth.

S~V~S wrote:Not true.

I did see this, I was giving you another chance.

Another chance to do what? Did you want to see if I would contradict myself? That is what happened. Ask Alex if you don't believe me.

S~V~S wrote:You are lying about your INTENTIONS, then.

Also, you still can't know whether I am lying about my intentions, because you would still have to know my intentions, which you cannot.


linki bea: Sigh. I will try again.

A man grasshopper walks into a bar. The bartender says "Hey, we have a drink named after you!" The Grasshopper says "You have a drink named Bob?!"

The preceding statement was not true. It was false. But it is not a lie. It is not a lie, because I was not intending to deceive anyone. Similarly, when I said I did not receive instructions to post in sarcastic orange, I was not intending to deceive anyone, because at the time I believed that statement to be true. It was not a lie. It was a knowledge failure on my part. After I reread the PM, I corrected myself and admitted I was wrong. Do you see the difference between a lie and an untruth? Do you see why intentions matter?

S~V~S wrote:You are lying about your INTENTIONS, then.

Half way tho=rough your insanification, you suddenly started posting in stanza-poetry form. Why was that?

I explained that already, if you had bothered to read.

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The first several posts of the day Llama made, were not in poetry form. The ones he made later WERE in that form, but not orange.

Seems to me that someone was trying hard to be insanified. He lied. Why?

Untrue. The first several posts I made were in poetry form, but the insanifier screwed with the formatting. After that I asked whether I could redo the formatting after using the insanifier and was told yes, so I did that. I know I haven't been super-present this game, but I am not stupid enough to lie about something so easily checked.

We have another day. Why are you so eager to vote early for me?

Or maybe you missed something innocently? Or maybe you are LYING!

bea wrote: linki - llama is very obviously missing something here.

more linkie - I think svs knows *exactly* what she's saying and I think You arne't getting what she's saying.

that does not help you. like at all.

A lie is defined by its intention. I ask again, how can you know my intentions. You cannot. You are both liars or else denser than I gave you credit for.

S~V~S wrote:OR Llama is really not reading the roles, or perhaps he is not reading his PMs. that could be too.

Whatever you think you know is wrong.

S~V~S wrote: Um, I did not need thought reading to know you were flouting your curse. You obviously missed something in the roles.

I wasn't flouting my curse, so you obviously are not considering all possibilities either.

I'm going to bed, but to recap for the sane players: S~V~S is alleging that her role allows her to read the inside of my thoughts, the only way it is possible to know whether someone is lying or not. Either S~V~S is:
a) delusional
b) lying
c) still not understanding the difference between a lie and false statement, despite having been told multiple times (she made a false statement about the lynch being a tie, which may have been a lie but probably wasn't)
d) utilizing some new technology never before seen by mankind (polygraphs don't count, as they can be beaten), which doesn't even work properly because I DIDN'T LIE!

I hope I awake to more rationality.

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Yeah, you did.

There are ways for someone to know this.

What are they then? I'm sure the military would love to hear about the mind reading technology you have apparently developed.

Other players: You can see that what she is saying is nonsense, right?

But it isn't, and there are plenty of ways i might know this

Read the roles~

None of the roles allow you to read my thoughts, which is the only way you could know whether I was lying or not, which I wasn't.

S~V~S wrote: Yeah, you did.

There are ways for someone to know this.

What are they then? I'm sure the military would love to hear about the mind reading technology you have apparently developed.

Other players: You can see that what she is saying is nonsense, right?

Mongoose wrote:So, who likes cake? I like cake. Eloh makes delicious looking cake.

Let's all take a minute and breathe and think about cake.

No! Rarr!

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:No, you intentionally flouted a curse. how do i know this? I just know it, lol.

Again, it is posts like this taht make you look bad.

You intentionally lied about the poll. I KNOW it.

No, Not like you intentionally lied about the curse. Think about what i am saying. REALLY think about it.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. You cannot know the inside of my mind, so you cannot know whether I lied or made an innocent mistake. It is impossible. And once more for the record, I did not.

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:It's a little strange that both timmer and Hedgeowl are assuming Vomps ended up with the most votes based on absolutely nothing. The simplest answer is that Bea is one of the unlynchable roles or one with a lynch stop. It perfectly explains her vote begging.

But where does Thomas fit in? If he's still alive. I can't make the math work.

Maybe he voted for bea. Maybe he voted for BWT.

S~V~S wrote:No, you intentionally flouted a curse. how do i know this? I just know it, lol.

Again, it is posts like this taht make you look bad.

You intentionally lied about the poll. I KNOW it.

It's a little strange that both timmer and Hedgeowl are assuming Vomps ended up with the most votes based on absolutely nothing. The simplest answer is that Bea is one of the unlynchable roles or one with a lynch stop. It perfectly explains her vote begging.

S~V~S wrote:Not even comparable either, is it?

It is exactly the same thing. You made a mistake, and I called you a liar. I made a mistake and you called me one. Relentlessly, I might add. If you can continually assert that I lied about not seeing the word "orange" in a PM, why can't I assert you are willfully trying to mislead people about the poll result? Both are easily found out by third parties.

S~V~S wrote:See, it's stuff like this that gets you lynched all the time.

Not fun, is it?

S~V~S wrote:I think Daisys point was that since it was tied, we have no way of knowing who, if, anyone, was bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who is trying to kill MacGyver?

Poll runs till Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:30:36 pm


bea
8
timmer (6), Boomslang (11), blindfaeth (13), thellama73 (14), Flyin' High (17), Nevinera (19), Vompatti (21), birdwithteeth11 (22) 33%

Vompatti
7
DharmaHelper (7), DFaraday (10), Hedgeowl (15), Mongoose (16), juliets (20), bea (23), Spacedaisy (24) 29%

It wasn't tied! SVS lied! She told a lie! She is a lying liar! Oh my goodness what lies she tells! Lynch the liar!

timmer wrote:I just don't do "trust me".

Freudian slip! Everybody kill timmer!

Spacedaisy wrote:We don't know that yet Llama. It mentions both Bea and Vomps in that post as still being in the gas chamber. I suspect it was a tie.

Ties are resolved by Zodac. There still should have been a lynch, as Nev has pointed out numerous times in reference to me.

I guess we know why Bea was asking to be lynched now. She can't be.

Well dash it all.

timmer wrote:Interesting, it looks like we may hand the kynch to Zodac to decide! Assuming Bea votes for Vomps to save herself, which she certainly will.

Fine by me. I think they are likely both bad, so it's win-win.

juliets wrote:

Nevinera wrote:BDH's posts do give me pause, because I can't think of a single reason for him to behave as he is.
But I've been able to say that a lot lately.
Hopefully at the end of the game someone will be able to explain wth has been going on.

Votes *bea*.

I can't figure it out either but I'm uncomfortable enough to not vote for bea because of it. Maybe that will change as time goes by (if bea lives through today).

I think we're far enough into the votes that I can vote now and I'm voting for Vomps. I think the analysis about him being Jack holds water.
*votes Vomps*

This doesn't do much to dissuade me that you are on Bea's team.

Thanks for the BWT explanation, bea! I'll have to think on him some more.

I have never really understaood the case against BWT. Can someone recap hat for me at some point?

Well, I'm not buying any of this quasi-illegal "I leave tabs open so people can read me" business. I'm voting Bea.

S~V~S wrote:Well, people are saying that they know his role (??) and that it would be a waste, so I dunno if you should. I am not 100% sure he is any specific role, I am sure he lied, and then backpedaled about it. It's all in the thread. I do think he did so willfully, and I am not sure why anyone NOT a baddie would do so.

I hope you are seeing what I put out, JC~ you of all people should

I hope you are not bad, lol. If i missed it (I am not fully caught up today, we had Blizzard #7878957 today) did you say your opinion on Bea?

You can't be sure that I lied because a lie is all about motive, and you can't know my motive. If I didn't intent to deceive, it was, by definition, not a lie. I stated something that wasn't true, yes, but it was not a lie, because I believed it at the time.