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Actually, I am constantly repeating my belief that there are four bad and four good cylons.Glorfindel wrote: It is also based on the presumption that all/most Cylons are bad - a presumption that I will continue to challenge because I believe it is at the heart of the Mafia campaign that is being used against us.
Are you actually able to post this with a straight face?Ricochet wrote:As for the amnesty plan, if anything, I'm trying to see it through to the end, in town's interest. I have no investment, otherwise, in holding on to fakeclaiming.
We have first raised a dust and then complain we cannot see.ObscureAllure wrote:And I've ranted about wiggly and glor for like a week real time
And no one listened so I'm kinda just done with explaining it further
If no one will listen.
Ah, THAT. I was just making a funny out of a typo.Matt wrote:You literally commented on it, tho. Wut?
Yep. And right back atcha.bea wrote:I think dex gets it even if you don't.
right?
Yes. There are four altogether (this is lore, btw). Epi, LoRab, Wilgy, and one other.Ricochet wrote:Question: Is Wilgy on the good side and within the margin of those two anti-Cavil roles, in your process of elimination?
I honestly don't recall this, so even if it was me I don't think it was of any particular significance.Question 2: Wilgy and you had a small banter a while back on the use of the word "God" in certain context. Should I look into interpreting anything out of this, in your opinion?
My Wilgy case is here.bea wrote:Dex - again. Explain it to me like I'm dumb
Cuz I really . Why Wilgy civ and not glor? What am I missing?
From posts in the thread I believe I've deduced the two roles mentioned above. It's just a personal belief. I have no info or role power.Ricochet wrote:In non-specific words that you are able (or allowed) to express, how are we to interpret the notion that you've "ID'd" specific roles / players?
For my own part, I feel pretty confident that I've IDed Leoben and Caprica 6, and neither of them are Glorfindel. I don't really expect that to influence anybody else though.G-Man wrote:Linki: then which anti-Cavil Toaster is he, JJJ? We've got Epi and Wilgy (I'm still coming around on that theory as well). If we think the eight listed are split four and four, you think we've found the remaining three good ones?
Unequivocally, yes. This.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:So to be clear: you think Glorfindel is pro-Cavil and DrWilgy is anti-Cavil?
I'm trying to come up with replacement terms for civ and mafia, which I think are murky in this game. We have two sets of cylons, though; the Cavil faction (mafia), and the anti-Cavil faction (civ).JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You keep saying anti-Cavil -- do you literally mean "not aligned with Cavil" or "on Cavil's team"? You called Glorfindel anti-Cavil too.
I concede the point. I'll even endorse it if it means accepting that Wilgy is anti-Cavil.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Rabbit8 suggested the event could be triggered by the first bad cylon being saved, which could be Glorfindel. It's plausible.
I think sig is Gaius, but I'll say otherwise if that makes you entertain the idea the Glorf is anti-Cavil.Matt wrote:You all may be correct, but I still think it's possible sig is Gaius, and if so, I think it's possible Glorfy is good.
Again, who thinks sig could be Gaius?
Anyway, I'm out for the night. Good luck town, evade those NK's k?
I'm not worked up enough about it to debate the point, but Glorf was not the first to be saved by the Amnesty Act.rabbit8 wrote:Why sig winning and not Glof losing? If he is a bad cylon it makes more sense from a balance sense that after the first cylon to claim is saved the act would be repealed and bad shit would happen.
Well, we DID lynch Simon...Golden wrote:Cylon and Garfunkel?
I'm going with 3Js idea that sig winning the lynch was the trigger for the New Caprica event. It just rings true to me. At the same time I feel it is of little consequence and am not worked up enough about it to debate the point.G-Man wrote:Honestly the impeachment angle makes more sense to me than Gaius have a mechanic to get himself elected. What say those knowledgeable in show lore? Anything there to help us on this one?
Hilarious!That is the soooouuuuuuuund... of cylonsGlorfindel wrote:I think both Dex and Polo deserve a very close look
Gaius doesn't check for alignment, he checks for cylon, if that's what you're implying. I seem to be talking "near certainty" a lot in this game, but Glorf is Cavil faction.Matt wrote:I see sig and Glorfy town reading the eff out of each other when looking through their ISO's. With the exception of sig "questioning" Glorf early on, they have been mutually strong town reading one another. Multiple times.Ricochet wrote:What are you seeing? We already have two potential Cylons playing the good game card. Begin your sentence with "I think" and then lay it out for us.
People now seem to think sig is Gaius.
Derp.
You think we're just going to forget you complete and utter bullsuit reasons for not claiming? Let me disabuse of that notion right now.Ricochet wrote:In the drama that was? For the plan to be fulfilled and everyone (relevant i.e. besides Epignosis, I guess) to have claimed.
In the drama that is? Nothing, seems irrelevant now.
In the event, however, a mafia lynch vs. Cain decision never had to be made because the situation never came up.Polo wrote:I did not prefer things when martial law was in effect but, if given the choice of a mafia lynch vs. Cain, at that point or in any point of the game before the elimination of Cavil's faction, I'd choose to lynch mafia. Even if I knew who was Cain.
Theoretically, yes. Non contextually, yes. Hypothetically, yes. Practically, no.Polo wrote:I get your point; at the moment, removing Cavil from the game was contextually optimal. But imagine this: wouldn't it be better to kill the mafia (Cavil's faction), who nightkills civs and has other maleficial powers, and then go after Cain in order to eliminate martial law in order to restore wincons back to original? We've been set back one day because of that, at least, because Cain could have had a night power that is bad to cylons.
That's what the claim achieved - immunity.Ricochet wrote:Couldn't the immune part be true of Glorfindel?
You asked me the same question and I gave you the same answer as did S~V~S. The finer points of the debate deserve more attention. You seem to only regard the Cain or Cavil first question non contextually; in a vacuum, which is the greater evil, Cain or Cavil? You are dismayed when anybody answers anything but Cavil. But S~V~S and I were coming from a context where we were fairly certain who Cain was - and we were right - and had no idea who Cavil was. It could have taken us all game to find Cavil; we had Cain in hand.Polo wrote:She still strongly believes that Cain is a bigger threat than Cavil, and showed aggressiveness when I said Cavil should die before Cain.
How in the frak could that be possible? Any civilian could do with lynching Epi if that were necessary to ensure victory, but who the hell thinks we need to lynch a civ/independent character before the Mafia boss? Long Con/Admiral Cain was more dangerous to mafia than he/she was to civs.
Absolutely.Polo wrote:I'm perfectly fine with lynching Glorfindel tomorrow. I believe sig is civ and I really regret pushing for his lynch before.
We can't lynch Gaius, eg sig. But thinking about it further, I don't think removing Gaius is what is going to get us off New Caprica. In fact, the Cain comparison is unfair. Gaius being president doesn't seem to adversely affect anything. I won't be voting to lynch sig until something changes drastically.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We can't lynch Glorfindel? Why not? His amnesty expired on Day 6 and the act is repealed anyway.
I think that's a brilliant idea, which I am for now adopting. That both explains the puzzling lynch result and tells me that sig is Gaeus. There is no earthly reason for Glorf to claim cylon there unless he was one. Sorry, sig, but you're the new LongCon. We can't get this show on the road again until we leave New Caprica. I feel like that's going to require an... impeachment.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I find myself wondering if the lynch tally itself served as the "election" for the new President -- perhaps there's a mechanic built into that role in which a first attempt to lynch him actually elects him instead. In this case that'd mean he's either Glorfindel or sig, depending upon whether Glorf's claim of being a cylon was an honest one. I don't understand why Glorf would make that claim if it was false though, so... put it together.
Upon reflection and role review, there isn't an obvious answer.Dex wrote:What a clusterfrak. The only question is why sig wasn't lynched. And I have a hard time accepting the most obvious.
Polo's is clearset. It's just up here^^DrWilgy wrote:I still can't find where Glorf has the lead. Can someone please explain it like I'm 5? after then I'll actually dip, need to go get food.
Silverwolf's vote is invalid because she was replaced. Total votes for Glorfindel = 6.Vompatti wrote:vote 2: glorfindel.
Glorf claimed.sig wrote:Glorf never claimed.
You were correct, in danger of being lynched, and your vote for sig made imminent sense.rabbit8 wrote:Well, I was under the impression I would be lynched if Glof did not get lynched, so I made sure sig had the most votes.
How is it that you did not know this?DrumBeats wrote:Vompatti's vote actually made mine put Sig one below Glorf, so I did not save him since my vote count was off. But to be fair I did not know this at time of the vote.
Wilgs, you're laboring under misapprehensions. Glorfindel had the most votes and is a cylon. Gaius' immunity didn't kick in until after the lynch.DrWilgy wrote:Now we have a conundrum. We don't know why either of these players survived, one may be Gaius, Glorf may be cylon. We don't know anything now because of coinflips...
He had the most votes. He declared. He wasn't lynched. He's a cylon.DrWilgy wrote:Too bad we don't know if Glorf is a cylon or not now because of someone's save.
Zeebs vote doesn't count.sig wrote:Also I'm ahead by one know so great job there.
Vomps had a second vote which he cast for Glorf and which doesn't appear in the poll.DrumBeats wrote:The way it stands right now we have:
4 votes Glorf (discounting Silver's)
3 votes on Sig (Discounting Zebra)
3 votes on Rabbit
I apologize. I never said it is obvious, I apologized for having to be obtuse. Believe me, its as frustrating for me as it is for you.DrumBeats wrote:@Dex If you can't actually give me any sort of vague direction other than "Read" then please don't be condescending as hell about how "obvious" it is. Frustrating as hell on my end because I have been trying constantly to see this, and being repeatedly told that I just need to read or "put in a little thought" is infuriating.
I don't know what to tell you. I left enough clues that S~V~S was able to figure it out.DrumBeats wrote:Do you care to actually point me where to look? The only way you have responded is by telling me to look. I have looked at both you and Wilgy's ISO's as well as the lynch itself and I haven't seen anything. If this phantom information is out there, I would like to see it, and if you are unable to directly tell it to me, at least point out where I should look for it. Repeatedly telling me to find it myself does nothing.
Sure you can see a way, if you want. It really isn't that hard. A little read, a little thought, a little search, a little logic, and hey presto!DrumBeats wrote:I cannot see a way to believe that strongly that he is civ without having this mafia inside knowledge. If anybody else can come up with another way, I would love to hear it..
Insert, this game has particular voting rules, the official vote is in the thread and not in the poll, and it must be posted in dead red. This is so Goldama can time-stamp the vote.insertnamehere wrote:Somewhere around page 25 in the catch-up that I probably won't ever finish.
For a lack of knowledge or better ideas, I'm gonna honor my predecessor's vote and stick with Glorfindel.
I asked him not to vote for Wilgy until he was caught up, I think he took it from that. But really I just wanted him to read my case and all the discussion so he can decide for himself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What gives you the impression that Wilgy may or may not be a confirmed civilian?
