The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote:Too bad we don't know if Glorf is a cylon or not now because of someone's save.

He had the most votes. He declared. He wasn't lynched. He's a cylon.

I don't get why sig wasn't lynched. Theories?

sig wrote:Also I'm ahead by one know so great job there.

Zeebs vote doesn't count.

Now Glorf and sig are tied.

DrumBeats wrote:The way it stands right now we have:

4 votes Glorf (discounting Silver's)
3 votes on Sig (Discounting Zebra)
3 votes on Rabbit

Vomps had a second vote which he cast for Glorf and which doesn't appear in the poll.

@Dex If you can't actually give me any sort of vague direction other than "Read" then please don't be condescending as hell about how "obvious" it is. Frustrating as hell on my end because I have been trying constantly to see this, and being repeatedly told that I just need to r...

Then there three

Vomps
Obscure
Rico

Do you care to actually point me where to look? The only way you have responded is by telling me to look. I have looked at both you and Wilgy's ISO's as well as the lynch itself and I haven't seen anything. If this phantom information is out there, I would like to see it, and if you are unable to d...

I cannot see a way to believe that strongly that he is civ without having this mafia inside knowledge. If anybody else can come up with another way, I would love to hear it.. Sure you can see a way, if you want. It really isn't that hard. A little read, a little thought, a little search, a little l...

Somewhere around page 25 in the catch-up that I probably won't ever finish. For a lack of knowledge or better ideas, I'm gonna honor my predecessor's vote and stick with Glorfindel. Insert, this game has particular voting rules, the official vote is in the thread and not in the poll, and it must be...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What gives you the impression that Wilgy may or may not be a confirmed civilian?

I asked him not to vote for Wilgy until he was caught up, I think he took it from that. But really I just wanted him to read my case and all the discussion so he can decide for himself.

Right now, I'm leaning on a Wilgy vote because I'm not a fan that he didn't claim until the bitter end of the last day phase. Also, did he officially claim that day? Epi said something about "10:02 eastern", I'm still not entirely sure if Wilgy made his claim before or after the phase was...

Ricochet wrote:I did reason it
You called it utter bullsuit

To be precise, I called it complete and utter bullsuit. But that doesn't fit your meter, does it?

Ricochet wrote:So you are fine with
A Cylon keeping his claim?
Huh... and four more words since he is good.

And Epignosis Yeah, I don't count Epi. We all know he is cylon in the first place, and in the second, I'm fine if Athena keeps her one-time get-out-of-lynch free card. For what it is worth I'd ask Remaining claimers To recap their reasons Not to claim and... I forgot The fraking lyrics You first.

@Drumbeats so, if my guess was right, then I'm mafia to you? That is utterly ridiculous and I'd expect a solid accusation from anyone who doubts my civness. Yeah, I love this. Basically: Wilgy flips town ---> Scum read on Polo/Dex - Willing to push it Wilgy flips scum ---> Null read with a slight s...

Illyria wrote:*SQUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

My Leftenant!

DrumBeats wrote:Glorfindel
OA
Sokoth Rico
Vompatti

rabbit8 wrote:Okay. I'm a Cylon.

Then there were Glorfindel, Vomps, Obscure, and Rico.

Epignosis wrote:I'd like other opinions on DrumBeats. I don't like his methodology or his conclusions.

Can't be a surprise coming from me, but neither do I.

Why? I'm sure you said but I'm being lazy and would really appreciate and explanation from anyone who thinks declaring is civvie minded? Cylons benefit by not declaring as it gives them a one-time get-out-of-lynch-free pass. Nothing happens to humans who declare. Cylons are therefore more motivated...

rabbit8 wrote:Would this help your case?

No, I just find it generally civ helpful. There are only five undeclared left.

[quote="DrumBeats"So by that logic, we have a total of four mafia in a 29 player game? That does not seem right at all. Mafia would then be Cavil, Boomer, Simon, and Aaron. Then maybe some of the final five, depending on how those mechanics work. There's a chance I guess based on that mech...

rabbit8 wrote:I agree. I also don't believe Cap Six is the only one left. I count a few.

You're familiar with the show, then?

You know, when I subbed in it was for a player who hadn't made the "I am a cylon" declaration, same as you. I choose to declare. Any chance you'll follow suit?

DrumBeats wrote: Cap Six is the presumed last one, but that is only one out of the remaining cylons..

I'll just keep repeating myself. If there is a anti-Cavil faction, Leoben is part of it.

You went from pushing him to claim toaster straight to confirming him civ. You say it is not a whim and you have clear reasoning but expect us to take it at face value, going as far as to say that you suspect anyone who pushes Wilgy. You don't have to take it as face value. The evidence is there, I...

I went back a bit to look at stuff and found this. This post makes me believe to a high degree that Wilgy is not a cylon that is part of the anti-Cavil faction. The underlined portion implies that we would not know he is "civ-aligned" based on his character flip. If he were one of the rem...

S~V~S wrote:No one made any mention of potential civ cylons until after Epi was rezzed that I can recall.

We were also lucky that the first cylon we tried to lynch was a good one, while the rez ships were still functioning. We didn't lose Athena.

Ricochet wrote:Citation needed.

And delivered

Golden wrote:
indiglo wrote:Resurrection Ship
Resurrection Ship

and

Golden wrote:The event was triggered by indiglo, not timed, but given only one mission can be made every 6 hours, being there at the time of the event being triggered is not overly important.

Dex, my impression would be that the hunt for ships would have started fast. Could be wrong of course but being kept in the dark until first cylon lynch would have been rather detrimental design-wise It was a triggered event, not timed. Someone had to say something about rez ships. I guess its poss...

[quote="Polo"Martial law is not in effect anymore.[/quote] ...because we were so quick to get rid of Cain. Get it? You wouldn't expect us to have done that so fast. Normally you'd expect her to be around a lot longer. Most people weren't even hunting her yet or were even convinced we shoul...

I'd like to invite everybody to think about how lucky we've been so far. 1. Indi triggered the rez ship event as early as it could possibly happen. We just so happened to find a cylon on our first lynch. When Epi was instantly resurrected, it put that part of the show lore in Indi's mind, and she co...

@Dex: how many mafia roles do you think exist in this game? I think there were four kill-all-human cylons at game start: Cavil, O'Neill, Doral and Boomer. Then there's the Final Five, so who knows how that plays out. There's also the possibility of a Gaeta's revolt. Cain was an independent, I suppo...

The Defence of DrWilgy I'm going to try this one last time before the votes start to fall in earnest 1. I am as certain that Wilgs is a civ cylon as I was the LC was Cain. You'll recall that I pushed hard for an LC lynch. Now that Cain is dead, everyone's life is better. Particularly civ cylons. 2....

I vote Glorfindel.

On principle. My friend.

Time to take a break.

Silverwolf wrote:Dex-You say you want Rico in second? Can you lay out why you think he's bad?

His reasons for not declaring are complete and utter BS.

It's got to the point for me where I feel like most players are just skim reading and mailing it in. It's really disheartening. This game deserves better.

DrumBeats wrote:1) He is a nonconfirmed cylon. So many people have cleared him based on speculation that he is Cap Six, but the statistic odds that he is are slim..

That is not why I "clear him". There is no speculation.

Everyone goes their own way, with their own shit, and that's a big reason town loses on this site so much. This is so true. I don't even see people trying to coordinate. It's very frustrating. In that vein, a quick straw poll shows GMan, you and me ready to go Glorf. I don't know what's up with Epi...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:SO SAY WE ALL

Everyone look, I did it! I really did it!

ObscureAllure wrote:There is one "possibly Civ" cylon left (Capricia six)

I don't think this is true.

I like Epi's plan to put Glorfindel up in first place today but the second place person better be someone we are fairly certain is bad. I can't case Glorfindel again right now because I have a fever and am going to bed. But I will. I will be pushing this hard this day phase. I think it's critical w...

SO SAY WE ALL!

My first preference would be Rico. I could happily vote Glorfindel. I could also go after Obscure.

I will oppose an attempt on Wilgy any way I can.

G-Man wrote:A lot of intriguing conversation going on today. If Golden the Coward wasn't so secretive we'd know more about factions and failed NK attempts. I blame him.

I'm working on updated technicolors. I'll post them during tonight's hockey game.

Go Sharks!

Epignosis wrote:Is there grounds for assuming Cavil has BTSC?

Not outside of standard mafia game setup, I guess not.

My problem is you trying to imply that other people finding him suspicious BEFORE THE LYNCH without benefit of your mystery reason are themselves suspicious. Do you see the distinction I am making?. I do. I'm sorry. To be clear, I myself was suspicious of him before the lynch and was almost voting ...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Wilgy has already claimed though.
This is directed at Dex who said he was fine with DrWilgy not claiming.

Up until he was about to be lynched, same as LoRab. I'm saying its understandable why an anti-Cavil cylon would choose to not declare.

Have you read his ISO before he came under fire and actually started playing the game? I hope you are not basing all of this on associative evidence, like the bolded above, as opposed to thread based evidence (Wilgy acting as sketchy as all hell). Now he is acting all indignant as if he were confir...

I'd interject that the concept of Wilgy claim Caprica Six would arise "for no reason" or "all of a sudden", because there are not many original Cylon numbers we could infer to be non-baddie aligned. Maybe Leoben for being linked with Starbuck after a while? That's about it, thou...

The President passed a law, she did not pass a "plan". If you're telling me that the PLAN of the President was to have everyone circumvent the law and push for a total extinguish of the law's amnesty effects, you are extrapolating a bit wildly, I'd say. Nevertheless, yet again, I was unde...

You can say it looks however you like. I definitely human and I am not mafia. Additionally, I believe that there is a high likelihood that win cons are fluid for various roles based on events and time in the game. Yep those two may have a win con that might be conducive with the humans, but can you...

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