The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:I still don't get how the baddies knew LC was precisely Cain.

I wasn't mafia at the time, but for me the icing on the cake was when LC segued from denying he was Cain to defending Cain.

Long Con wrote:I played as I did because I was going to die on Day 6 anyway. Would have been nice of some of you to actually give me a chance to get there like I asked, instead of voting for me and foolishly wasting a lynch. Next time listen to me when I say to give me a chance to prove myself.

Dex wrote:
11) Please to answer: DFaraday / Dex, did you ever determine a lynch?
I determined Long Cain would be lynched. But then he was just lynched anyway. D'oh! I sure could have used that power later.
Wait, what? You switched the lynch to me? Why? Good to know .\

Yeah, sorry about that man, but your role had to go. Actually, I targeted you another time, but then the fleet jumped before I got my PM in.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Nice job indiglo. You were my vote for theme.

I went with Dex for the other one. I know how it feels to work hard in a town effort only to be converted into a losing cause.

Thank you for that sir.

Takes a little of the bite out of that suckfest.

Golden wrote:No he wasn't. Poor Long Con was quite mad at me about that one, because he asked if Wilgy's claim would work if he jumped the fleet before he did it. And I told him that no, Wilgy's claim wouldn't work if the fleet jumped beforehand and he was already lynched. So, LC jumped the fleet when Wilgy would have been lynched....

He just didn't know you had already sent in that PM.

So even then I was defending Wilgy, without even knowing it.

So anyway, the post that convinced me that Wilgy was a civ cylon came right after Long Cain was lynched:

DrWilgy wrote:And I have a win condition again! Yay me!

Who doesn't have win conditions under martial law?

Right after this, Goldama posted an admonition against discussing win conditions, which I thought was a pretty big indicator of what to look for. Yet in the end, even 3J, who was essentially spot-on the entire game, concluded my defense of the Dr. was entirely lore-based.

Ricochet wrote:DFaraday (mafia) [successful)

DFaraday wasn't mafia

11) Please to answer: DFaraday / Dex, did you ever determine a lynch?

I determined Long Cain would be lynched. But then he was just lynched anyway. D'oh! I sure could have used that power later.

10

You're unbelievable. Nero didn't call SpaceDaisy bad anymore than I called Juliets good.

Votes John Cavil

#9

Nerolunar wrote:I believe Dex is bad, Epig.

I need to vote because I'm going to bed. I'm still leaning bad on you Epig but the point you are raising against Dex looks reasonable. Makes me wonder if Glorfindel really was bad/seemer. Out of the other F5 I like Juliets way more than Daisy.

Vote Dex

Let's think like Epi, shall we?

Nero says he's good. He thinks I'm bad. He likes Juliets better than Daisy, which means he thinks Juliets is good. Yet he doesn't say Daisy is bad! It's "logically inconsistent"! Lynch him! Syllogisms and shit, lol.

I can't believe I had to burn so many posts defending myself against this bullshit "logic". Way to go, Epi.

8.

Epignosis wrote:I don't think you understand my argument. If Dex is good, and he thinks juliets is good, and he thinks the two-on-two ratio holds (which he must based on the reasoning he used to condemn Nerolunar), then he must necessarily condemn Spacedaisy as bad. He didn't do that. He called her "in between." That's logically inconsistent. There's no way around it. Syllogisms and shit.

I don't think Juliets is good, I said she looked better than Nero or SpaceDaisy. Your logic is flawed because it is based on a false premise - that I think Juliets is good. I wasn't trying to identify the good and the bad, I was ranking them according to my level of suspicion. You keep saying "logically inconsistent", but I don't think it means what you think it does. You're going to get a civ lynched because of it.

Ricochet wrote:
Dex wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:You're a civ Cylon?
I am now.
Now?!

Yeah. Final Five. Not a secret.

7. Argh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: I'd like to hear from Dex though why he felt this way exactly, and why his read did not develop from pre-resurrection to post-resurrection.

It was her charge on Long Cain and her willingness to actually go and find the Wilgy post I'm always talking about - assuming she wasn't just lying about that. Cavil already knew Wilgy wasn't one of his, assuming I'm right about Wilgy. My read didn't change because I only spent one night dead and came back the same way I went in.

I don't want to vote Epi or S~V~S. Epi because I guess I'm not just over lore yet. Boomer spent an entire season being good, but Athena was never evil. And S~V~S because she has been one of my stronger civ reads ever since she lead the charge on Cain. I just can't see a Cavil cylon doing that. If martial law benefits anyone other than Cain, it's the Cavil cylons.

The highlighted portion needs expansion, I don't really understand this assertion.

It doesn't benefit human civs who then need to kill a lot more players to win. It doesn't benefit civ cylons because prior allies now need to kill them. It only benefits mafia cylons, because the attention of the civs has been broadened and is no longer focused on just them. If I was Cavil, I would have let martial law stay in play as long as possible.

ObscureAllure wrote:You're a civ Cylon?

I am now.

6.

All I was doing was ranking a set of three suspects from most to least suspicious, and voting for the most. If there had been even one other suspect in the set, your three-card monte logic wouldn't even be possible. I have learned from my albeit limited experience that when you resort to one four-letter word response you are beyond engaging in genuine debate, so, especially with a limited number of posts available, I'm done. "X sounds the best" does not equal "x is good". "Y sounds the worst" does not equal "Y is bad".

Go frak yourself, civ cylon, like me, nonetheless.

5.

Epignosis wrote:Dex is also anti-Nerolunar:

Dex wrote:Post #7

I don't want to vote Epi or S~V~S. Epi because I guess I'm not just over lore yet. Boomer spent an entire season being good, but Athena was never evil. And S~V~S because she has been one of my stronger civ reads ever since she lead the charge on Cain. I just can't see a Cavil cylon doing that. If martial law benefits anyone other than Cain, it's the Cavil cylons.

Epignosis wrote:
Ricochet wrote:You're basically suggesting the Final Five should just pick each other apart.
Damn right I am. If they are all saying some of them are bad, then they all should be in the hot seat. They SHOULD BE picking each other apart.
But THIS makes sense to me. If the 4ofF5 did come down two and two, then even if I just draw a name out of a hat, I've got a 66.6% of getting an evil toaster. Juliettes has been reading best to me, Nero worse, and SpaceDaisy somewhere in between. Accordingly, I'm voting

Neroluner
So, for Dex:

Juliets is good
Spacedaisy is in between
Nerolunar is bad

I have a problem with this.

The premise Dex is using to condemn Nerolunar is that the Final Five are two good and two bad. He does not dispute this thinking, and if he is going to condemn Nerolunar on the basis of that, then he must believe it himself.

So let's work this out:

Juliets is good
Spacedaisy is in between
Nerolunar is bad
Dex is...???

Where does that leave Dex? If he believed two good two bad, which was the basis for voting Nerolunar, then he should have categorically condemned Spacedaisy as bad, but he didn't. He put her "in between."

I am suspicious of Dex now.

The cherry on top?

Dex wrote:#4

In which case, I'm back to defending Epi, based on lore. Athena was never mafia.
A weakness of mine historically has been tearing apart those who accuse me and embracing those who are actually my enemy. S~V~S has witnessed this time and again (Harry Potter immediately springs to mind).

Nah. I'm not saying anyone other than me is good or bad. I'm saying of the three remaining 4ofF5ers, I think two are bad. Based on just reads I thought Nero looked worse, SpaceDaisy less so, Julliets the best at that time. Any of them could be bad.

4.

ObscureAllure wrote:Again I ask: how sure are you. Just because my numbers are what I present does not mean that's my entire case. Simply that's what I choose to present.

I need to know asap, please sir.

I'm positive. If you want to look for the post I can't talk about, try an ISO of him around the time he declared. Some have found it and others have not.

3.

ObscureAllure wrote:Dex: what's your surety on Wigly being a civvie? Can you back it up with anything? Because I can back my end up and unless something is amiss, that boy is bad. It kind of weird a me out that you sound sure, when I know you can't be (or he's got multiple personality disorder.)

The same way you've said you know something; I saw something in the thread that I'm forbidden to talk about. The conclusion is inescapable. If you want to present your case though, I'd be happy to critique it. IIRC, it had some assumptions about the numbers of civ and mafia cylons in the game.

#2

G-Man wrote:Trust you before resurrection I did but a question I have. Why in quotes is your post? Suspicious this looks. Yes, suspicious. As if in another thread you wrote it once before and for posting here copied it you did.

D'oh! Started with a much larger post with lots of quotes and decided to simplify, frakking it up beyond repair. Must learn to use the preview function.

Dex wrote:SO SAY WE ALL!

#1

SUSPECTS JOHN CAVIL

For my own part, I doubt that a vote for Cavil will do anything more than to buy him more time. I have to agree that a focus on the 4ofF5 is our most productive approach, even though that includes me. If we have to eliminate Cavil's team to get to Cavil, one or two of them are there, and that's a small pool of suspects to search.

Nero's throwing S~V~S to the brig is behaviorally positive civ cred, albeit very easy. If I was nero and mafia, I'd do the same. Meanwhile, Julliettes has chosen to pursue some arcane issue with Sok that seems rather beside the point. SpaceDaisy seems to be mostly lurking. There is little left to go by than reads, and I'm terrible at reads.

I find it ironic, though, that I have spent the entire game trying to defend civ cylons, only to find myself in their very predicament.

#4

DrWilgy wrote:Hey Cavil. Recruit me if you can.

I agree with Sig (at least in regards to where are attention should be). I've never been fond of using lynches with unknown repercussions. Let's scumhunt until we are in a position where lynching cavil again is safe.

Dex, you still God?

Baloney(3)

I hope for a swift painless recovery G-Man. *gives a basket of rice, eggs and fish*

Still defending you, my Good Doctor. And now I get to walk a while in your shoes.

#3

Ricochet wrote:This took quite a while to think off (which is quite the understatement, given what I've focused on yesterDay), but what are the chances of Boomer having been a sort of seemer - not in terms of showing up as someone else, but showing up as town?

One reason that keeps nagging me is the role of Cally. Why would Cally be designed to have a shot at killing Boomer, if Boomer were civilian? Town praying on town makes no sense. Mind you, we're not talking some basic ninja civ skills, with which a civilian can either hit the jackpot and eliminate mafia or frak up and deplete the civ ranks... we're talking a specific, revengeful (according to the l-word) bullet for one character only. It doesn't matter that Cally never reached Boomer (maybe she hasn't even lived enough to achieve that), it matters that she was destined to, from the design.

Another aspect is that Boomer's alignment flip being seemer-ish would have allowed for Glorfindel to play out his "truthful / never lying" facade. In a strange way, if he knew he'd flip town, he didn't need to feel conflicted that he's lying to us about being genuine and town and fighting for the good cause (...even if was lying), because he would know that, upon showing up as town, our minds would get fried (*raises hand*) and we'd treat his legacy as genuine.

Besides, if Glorfindel was by any stretch of the imagination Cavil-aligned, I have no doubt that SVS mentored him in how to defend to perfection.

Please comment.

END OF POST #3

Rico, I don't know what to say. I think this is brilliant, and rings true to me. In the show, if there was any character who "seemed" good but wasn't, it was Boomer. None of the other cylons were moles in quite the same way. It explains so much that has been bothering me since the Boomer flip.

#2

Ricochet wrote:Also since Cavil resurrected, which has not happened since Epignosis' lynch and we considered it to be implausible, once the sortie mission conclude, let me check if there's not something we're supposed to "trigger", just like back on Day Two.

Resurrection Hub
Cylon Colony
John Cavil hunting party

Goodness gracious, look who's evoking lore now! I had the same idea, and was going to post Hub just in case.

DrumBeats wrote:Oh wow, great job people who voted for SVS. I am absolute shit, I'm getting off for the night. I'll try to look at things with fresh eyes later, but wow I was wrong.

Me too. She really had me fooled.

Post #7

I don't want to vote Epi or S~V~S. Epi because I guess I'm not just over lore yet. Boomer spent an entire season being good, but Athena was never evil. And S~V~S because she has been one of my stronger civ reads ever since she lead the charge on Cain. I just can't see a Cavil cylon doing that. If martial law benefits anyone other than Cain, it's the Cavil cylons.

Epignosis wrote:
Ricochet wrote:You're basically suggesting the Final Five should just pick each other apart.
Damn right I am. If they are all saying some of them are bad, then they all should be in the hot seat. They SHOULD BE picking each other apart.

But THIS makes sense to me. If the 4ofF5 did come down two and two, then even if I just draw a name out of a hat, I've got a 66.6% of getting an evil toaster. Juliettes has been reading best to me, Nero worse, and SpaceDaisy somewhere in between. Accordingly, I'm voting

Neroluner

#6. Ugh.

DrumBeats wrote:One more question, and this applies to all four final five revived people, how many of the final five do you believe are likely Cavil-aligned? Just take a guess

DrumBeats wrote:@ Dex
@ juliets
@ Spacedaisy

How many people in the F5 do you believe are mafia?

I feel like the four who have returned are two and two. The fifth is a total unknown to me.

Spacedaisy wrote:I did not know I was F5 until I was night killed. At that point I was told what my alignment was, so the Final 5 don't get the option who to align with, for the record. So don't base your votes on who you think we (the player) would choose align with, it has no bearing.

juliets wrote:I just want to validate what Spacedaisy says here about not knowing I was F5 until I was nightkilled and being told at that time my alignment. There was no "choosing" which alignment to be a part of.

This is how it worked for me also.

Ricochet wrote:@Dex, @juliets, @Spacedaisy, @Nerolunar

Not sure if you can actually address this, so better consult with your nearest Hangman err I mean Host first, but I'll ask anyway.

In your first incarnation, did you know your alignment from the very start? I'm talking specifically traditional alignment such as "town". Tighnero, did you knew you were town until you got lynched?

I knew my win conditions, which implied an alignment to me.

Ricochet wrote:Problem with the second paragraph is that Glorfindel was lynched on Day Seven and a cycle earlier he and sig both survived, with Baltar taking over as President. That's season three material, iirc. So we're not talking lynching Boomer that could have began the game civ-aligned. We're talking lynching Boomer that, according to lore, should be way past emerging as a villain.

The point is fair. I do think it's possible for the game to follow the timeline of the show in broad strokes, and for details to fall where they may, particularly in terms of character's deaths over which the host has no control. But I'll not belabor the point.

Ricochet wrote:But to hell with these lore technicalities. Game-wise, I could marginally see Boomer conditioned by some event or some trigger (or recruitment?) to switch from town-aligned to mafia-aligned. But then, for instance, why would Boomer be an automatic victim of Cally, should the latter have found her in her searches, unless we were to interpret Boomer as viable to become anti-town? Anyway, maybe, maybe an event never happened to affect Boomer's town alignment (it can happen in Mafia games: you design something to potentially happen and it never falls in place). We were deprived of knowing Boomer's alignment until now, we were too trustful of lore, nothing more we can do. I'm not comfortable with not knowing Athena's alignment anymore. Are you? Judge Epignosis' game, do you still read it to be civilian? That's what matters.

I hear this sentiment a lot, but there doesn't appear to be a way to do this short of lynching him, and if he flips civ, it's a mislynch. This is sig's "let's lynch all the cylons to see if they're civ". It seems like madness to me. Let's just lynch everybody to see if their civ!

Ricochet wrote:Frak the lore. Kill it with fire. I endorse JJJ's argument: defend Epignosis if he reads good to you based on what he has done, not who he is.

Fine. I'm a lore junkie, I don't know if I'm going to be able to entirely kick that habit. Pretty much since he flipped I stuck Epi in the civ-cylon category and stopped collecting data on him. I'll haul him back out, but I'm starting from scratch. I'm open to arguments and not in any place to defend him.

Ricochet wrote:Still haven't heard what I'm still mafia for, to you, btw.

Your bizzaro-world reasons for not claiming and our Wilgy debate whcih got rather warm.

#5

DrumBeats wrote:I do not think I am comfortable with believing that both Wilgy and Epig are civ after the Glorf flip. Dex, what do you think in that regard? .

I am comfortable with that. What makes you uncomfortable?

sig wrote:@Dex Why are you basing anything on lore! It's proven that lore is wrong and now knowing Glorfindel was a civ he told us such

How is it "proven" that lore is wrong? I just showed how Boomer flipping civ can still be lore. Glorfindel can be civ and still be wrong about Epi.

Polo, this is a flat-out lie:

Polo wrote:S~V~S was the only person here who argued with me on this. It's a major red flag in my book. By showing confidence at asking me to give her a name, she wanted me to forget any possibility of her being Cavil, but this little trick was her big mistake.]

Did you forget our exchange on this topic?

Dex wrote:You asked me the same question and I gave you the same answer as did S~V~S. The finer points of the debate deserve more attention. You seem to only regard the Cain or Cavil first question non contextually; in a vacuum, which is the greater evil, Cain or Cavil? You are dismayed when anybody answers anything but Cavil. But S~V~S and I were coming from a context where we were fairly certain who Cain was - and we were right - and had no idea who Cavil was. It could have taken us all game to find Cavil; we had Cain in hand.

And I'm not sure what you mean by the mafia boss "being more dangerous to mafia than to civs". That may be true per se, Cavil wants all humans dead (I presume) and Cain didn't want any humans dead. But you overlook the fact that Cain made civ victory twice as difficult by requiring twice the number of lynches to win. And that's just the numerical disadvantage. Martial law was depriving us of half the cylons as aliies, and denying us whatever powers they had that might be of great usefulness to the civ cause. Possibly even, for example, finding Cavil.

What you are apparently preferring here is that we spend an indeterminate amount of time prioritizing a search for a particular role with half the chance to win the game than to take out first a known target that will double our chances of winning.

If anybody had even the slightest inkling who Cavil was, we may have answered you differently. Taking out a target who we had pretty much identified who was having a serious negative effect on a civ victory was a far, far better choice.

During the course of a lengthy debate, I also asked you for a name. How have you forgotten all of this? Selective memory? In my last in-case-I'm-NKed post, just before I was in fact NKed, I named S~V~S as one of my strongest civ reads, and that remains the case. I find your tunneling on her very peculiar.

#4

In which case, I'm back to defending Epi, based on lore. Athena was never mafia.

#3

Ricochet wrote:
Dex wrote:DrWilgy: do not know his role but still KNOW HE IS CIV. The Boomer flip has no bearing on the evidence I found that he is civ
You present a defense of Wilgy being Conoy, right? Is that still viable? If not, on what grounds do you read Wilgy civ? (I'm asking for reiteration, in case you already covered this). Do you think that, if Anna flipped independent, Conoy might as well?

No. I do not. Look at my post that you quoted. My defense of Wilgy is not that he is Leoben and so must be good. I do not know what role Wilgy is, I'm only guessing that it's Leoben. What I know is that Wilgy is civ, whatever his role. I don't know how I can be clearer on this. I don't see how you can be mis-reading this. It's not "Wilgy must be Leoben and, according to lore, Leoben is good". It's "Wilgy is civ, whatever his role is, maybe it's Leoben."

It occurs to me that Glorfindel's civ flip, as surprising as it is, doesn't necessarily mean we have to throw lore out the window. I doubt it, given the way Goldama has structured this game. I doubt he assigned alignment to cylons randomly. For the entire first season, Boomer WAS civ-aligned, right up to the Season 1 finale, when she shot Adama. It stands to reason, therefore, that Boomer would begin the game civ-aligned.

#2

First of all, massive apologies to Glorfindel. He was telling the truth the whole time and I was not buying it. I knew he had to be Cavil, Doral, or Boomer, and I was convinced because of the show - just as Glorfindel said - that they were all bad. That Boomer flipped civ has taken me aback.

Black Rock: mafia
Dex: F5, but still rocking the civ
DrumBeats: civ
DrWilgy: do not know his role but still KNOW HE IS CIV. The Boomer flip has no bearing on the evidence I found that he is civ
Epignosis: Civ, but can no longer defend him as I was before the Boomer flip
insertnamehere: civ
JaggedJimmyJay: civ
juliets: F5 civ?
Matt: civ
Nerolunar: F5 civ?
ObscureAllure: Mafia, cannot stop herself from tunneling on Wilgy
Polo: civ
Rabbit8: civ
Ricochet: mafia
S~V~S: civ
sig: mafia
SokothQultuq: mafia
Spacedaisy: F5 civ?

I'm guessing that not all Final Five are civ, but as they re-appeared just today we really have had no time to get any reads on them. Knowing my own situation, however, I'm willing to start by giving them the benefit of the doubt.

DrumBeats wrote:Dead who have returned: Please identify which death messages were yours.

The only Will post I made was the one using my patented "Hi Cavil" smiley:

SO SAY WE ALL!

First post. I'm baaaaaaack!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:rabbit replaced a2thezebra.

My bad.

I have a bad feeling about tonight, so just a couple of thoughts in case I don't make it.

ObbsAll, I know we haven't seen eye to eye in this game and we don't know each other, but I'd like you to please consider that when I said I was certain that LC was Cain he was, and that when I said I was certain the Glorfindel was a Cavil toaster he was. I am certain Wilgy is a civ toaster. Please just consider it.

I get the current anti-Rabbit trend, but I recall for most of the game that role was Silverwolfs, and she was one of my strongest civ reads.

Strongest civ reads: Epi, S~V~S, Matt.

Strongest mafia reads: Bea, Rico, BR.

If I a NKed, to those responsible, I say Hi!

Epignosis wrote:I already know the person I want to lynch Day 8.

Do tell.

MISSED VOTES:
bea
Black Rock
DrumBeats
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
rabbit8
Ricochet
SokothQultuq
Vompatti

Which of these were due to punishments? Not Bea or Rico.

S~V~S wrote:I think he is a civ.I have thought so pretty much the whole game.

Me too, so his focus on you puzzles me. It seems to be related to his Cavil-before-Cain thing, but that also puzzles me.

Ricochet wrote:Honestly, if someone saying Resurrection Ship was the buzzword to trigger the hunt, I'm fairly sure anyone with lore knowledge would have duly brought up the idea.

Perhaps, but only after a cylon was lynched and then rezzed, which we were lucky to do on the first day.

Bea

Bea's voting record does not look good. She did not vote Nutella on Day 2. On Day 3, after LoRab claimed, she jumped on the Nero bandwagon, contributing to the Tighe lynch. 3J called this "the most suspicious" vote in Nero's wagon. The next day, after LoRab' immunity has expired, she jumps on that. She professes "ecstasy" when LC is lynched Day 5, but did not vote for him; neither did she vote for a declared and untouchable DrWilgy.

Day 6, she does vote Glorfindel, but at the very last minute, long after he declared and was in no danger of being lynched. This is a classic distancing vote. Then Bea reads like she is begging him for an excuse to vote somewhere else:

bea wrote:Glor. I'm reading what you say. And I'm trying to get what you are saying. My only question is a simple one. If not you then who do we lynch and why?

bea wrote:Glor - I get that you're frustrated but I am trying to understand you. I'm not being willfully ignorant. I'm trying to open my mind and my expectations. I'm trying to balance my knowledge of the show with the actual game. I'm trying to use both pieces of information together to come to the best possible decision in a semi-closed set up with little information.

bea wrote:Glor I get what you are saying. It's possible that the bad guys do not follow show 100 percent. Here's my continued hang up. If not that way, how are they formed?

In the end, though, she just misses the vote.

I am not a fan of meta evidence (I really didn't like Sig and 3Js meta defences of the Glorf). I don't play a whole lot of mafia and don't have a lot of history with most of the players in this game. But Bea and I go way back, she has probably played in most if not all of the games I've been in, and I have observed her in games that Indi played or that I co-hosted. I believe that bad Bea tends towards the self-deprecating; a lot of I'm drfunk, I'm lost, I'm a nub, I'm catching up, please explain it to me like I'm a 3-year old and so forth, and there has been a LOT of that by her in this game.

You know I adore you, lil sis, but I suspect your role is a vile one what needs lynching.

My own take is that there was a 4-player BTSC team, Cavil's faction, of which only Cavil and Doral remain. But we'll also have to contend with the Final Five, and I have no idea how that mechanic is going to play out.

Additionally, I have become convinced that we are going to see a Gaeta's rebellion, which will pit us against Gaeta and Zarek. If there are any recruiters in the game, I'd look to these guys.

But, you know. Lore.

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Anyway, post-flip, I don't know what this tells us about sig. There was an absolute defensive bond between the two, but sig still likely survived a lynch as second wagon, so unless it's the mafia team that had a lynch stop, his status is still ambiguous. Not sure what to say of Matt reading the two as Baltar-Six, after which he just wiggled out with a sideline vote.
Blah blah blah.

RIH Boomer.

Good call on Glorfy everyone but I refuse to apologize for presenting ideas that may not be popular to the majority of town. I thought it was possible Glorfy and sig were Six/Baltar, and I was wrong. Nothing more to it then that.
Good thing nobody listen, then, eyyyy?

At worst, the idea was... unhelpful.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dex wrote:I am amused that everyone who had been punished for not properly replying "So Say We All" are now diligently saying it - even though it's not currently required by the rules.
Those who made no posts on Day 7 were still subject to the SSWA from Night 6.

Ah! Of course.

I am amused that everyone who had been punished for not properly replying "So Say We All" are now diligently saying it - even though it's not currently required by the rules.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's probably for the best that I wasn't around. I'd have resisted that lynch for most of Day 7.

Can you say why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think it's a total certainty that this role was a "bad" one, but lore would suggest that it is -- and if lore doesn't determine alignment then I have no idea what would. It'd be a randomized game with no possible analytic process.

This appears contradictory. Can you help me understand the thought process here?

Way to fight the good fight Glorfindel.

We're down to Cavil and Doral. I'd say we're in pretty darn good shape.

My suspicion of ObsAll has cooled significantly on account of her early vote for the Glorf. My three top suspects at this time are Rico, Bea, and BR.

Now THAT was a good period of hockey...

G-Man wrote:Awesome first period! I recommend you all tune in to the hockey game if you're able. Besides, the Warriors game is only starting nowish and will probably still be on after the hockey game is over. It's been a real treat and there's still two periods to go!

Au contraire. That was a terrible fist period.

Glorfindel wrote:
Dex wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:
Dex wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:Dex, if by 'Cavil faction' (which while I understand why you'd made the assumption that there is one but if you'd been following what I've been saying there is a possibility, however slight, that there may not be) you mean Mafia or any allegiance other than to the Town this game, I can assure you that the answer is an unequivocal 'NO'.
This is, in fact, an equivocal answer. By Cavil faction I do NOT mean mafia or anything about allegiance at all since, strictly speaking, there is no mafia in this game. The term is never used by Goldama. This is how you are currently trying to deny your role while technically not lying about it. Sure, you're not mafia, because there is no mafia. There are sets of compatible and incompatible win conditions - no civs, scum, town, good or bad.
But there is a Cavil faction, and I would like to ask you, please, for an unequivocal yes or no one-word answer: are you part of the Cavil faction?

But I do not expect to get one. Lord-a-mercy, if Glorf escapes lynching today I'm going to need a large dosage of subscription-strength chill pills.
If there is indeed one Dex (and I am utterly unconvinced at your assertion that there is no 'Mafia team' by whatever name you may choose to call it) NO, I am unequivocally not part of it.
That's pretty much the answer I was expecting.
Is that so?

Yes. It was neither a "yes" or a "no".

insertnamehere wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:My patience with you all is at an end
The feeling's mutual.

*votes Glorfindel*

In Dead Red, please, Insert.

Glorfindel wrote:
Dex wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:Dex, if by 'Cavil faction' (which while I understand why you'd made the assumption that there is one but if you'd been following what I've been saying there is a possibility, however slight, that there may not be) you mean Mafia or any allegiance other than to the Town this game, I can assure you that the answer is an unequivocal 'NO'.
This is, in fact, an equivocal answer. By Cavil faction I do NOT mean mafia or anything about allegiance at all since, strictly speaking, there is no mafia in this game. The term is never used by Goldama. This is how you are currently trying to deny your role while technically not lying about it. Sure, you're not mafia, because there is no mafia. There are sets of compatible and incompatible win conditions - no civs, scum, town, good or bad.
But there is a Cavil faction, and I would like to ask you, please, for an unequivocal yes or no one-word answer: are you part of the Cavil faction?

But I do not expect to get one. Lord-a-mercy, if Glorf escapes lynching today I'm going to need a large dosage of subscription-strength chill pills.
If there is indeed one Dex (and I am utterly unconvinced at your assertion that there is no 'Mafia team' by whatever name you may choose to call it) NO, I am unequivocally not part of it.

That's pretty much the answer I was expecting.

Epignosis wrote:That means Glorfindel is Cavil, Doral, or Boomer.

Are any of those Cylons good Cylons?

No sir. Those are exactly the surviving members of the Cavil faction. Good catch.

Glorfindel wrote:Dex, if by 'Cavil faction' (which while I understand why you'd made the assumption that there is one but if you'd been following what I've been saying there is a possibility, however slight, that there may not be) you mean Mafia or any allegiance other than to the Town this game, I can assure you that the answer is an unequivocal 'NO'.

This is, in fact, an equivocal answer. By Cavil faction I do NOT mean mafia or anything about allegiance at all since, strictly speaking, there is no mafia in this game. The term is never used by Goldama. This is how you are currently trying to deny your role while technically not lying about it. Sure, you're not mafia, because there is no mafia. There are sets of compatible and incompatible win conditions - no civs, scum, town, good or bad.
But there is a Cavil faction, and I would like to ask you, please, for an unequivocal yes or no one-word answer: are you part of the Cavil faction?

But I do not expect to get one. Lord-a-mercy, if Glorf escapes lynching today I'm going to need a large dosage of subscription-strength chill pills.

Glorfindel, please answer this question honestly: are you part of the Cavil faction?

Glorfindel wrote:Briefly though, LC clearly my not have been Mafia but his agenda was clearly and obviously anti-Town.

Your - I believe accurate - assessment of LCs role is exactly what you'd expect "based on the TV series". I'm not sure why you think the case would be different for any other character.

Ricochet wrote:Sig's vote doesn't show up homologated in the Voting Records.

@Goldama: Is this an error?

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