The Syndicate

Oh Alex. I was the cow. I resurrected your butt and YOU got me killed with your silly theories. :P Eat socks!

Now, I clicked red for that. I don't know why it posted in white.

Boo! I guess we have to wait until the end of the game to watch MP eat socks.

In my defence of Epi not being a hypocrite, I never once talked about him being civvie. I wasn't trying to say he wasn't a baddie. I was only trying to say that whoever was calling him a hypocrite (can't even remember who it was at the moment and cannot be bothered to look) had a silly argument.

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote: I vote Epig to show that I am not on his team and that I am not a baddie. Plain and simple. Why would I vote for a teammate? I would not vote for him to say, "I am Epig's teammate and I'm going to try to prove to you that I'm not", b/c I am a horrible liar.

And, yes, you'll be eating socks I'm telling you, I am a horrible liar. And, I am not baddie. I am definitely civvie and a friend of yours

I just don't believe you. Ever since the lynch switch it was clear that Epi was going down. His teammate(s) would have had little choice but to vote for him or draw suspicion onto themselves, so your vote tells me nothing about your allegiance. YOu've been behaving very much like someone in Rob's camp.

Exactly what i said in my defence. If I had been on his team i would have had to vote FOR him. Especially considering by the time we voted there was absolutely no question he would have most votes.

I know I am behaving differently than you are used to, but I explained that. I wanted to dive in head first and be a more active player this game. I guess all that did was make people suspicious of me. I am still too green, however, to know how to turn that around and make everyone realize that I am civvie. Do I just shut up and become a low poster? Will that make everyone feel better about me? Of course not. I am afraid that once you ping, you cannot go back. And really, I am in worse position than I recently thought. I not only have the civvies wanting to lynch me (b/c MP is civvie and players believe his arguments) but I most likely have the baddies trying to lynch me as well b/c they KNOW I am civvie and want to keep their own from being lynched. the mafia must be having a hay day with everyone believing MP's arguments against me.

What I hate so much was that I wasn't here to vote Epi earlier. If I would have been home to read MP's accusations earlier, I would have voted Epi right away to prove my allegiance to the civvies. But, I was dealing with RL stuff all day :/ When I finally got to Mafia, there were about 7 pages to catch up on and no real way for me to defend my civvie role.

Ambray wrote:I'm curious Ruff, you say in one of your posts "As for the current discussion on llama, I think if Epi was not framed then they're likely teammates. If he was framed, however, I don't think it gives us any info on llama."

So do you still think Llama is Epig's teammate?

MP - The fact that Ruff here seems to be very pro killing Eloch instead of Epig in his posts is giving me pause for thought.
What do you think about Ruff?

This is because Ruff must be bad. B/c I am civvie.

Ambray wrote:Oh and fwiw, I agree with MP that the civvie ninja taking out Eloh tonight would be a good thing.

I don't understand the reasoning others are using against it. That we need to lynch her to see where to go next? To have confirmation she is baddie?

If that's how you feel, arn't you basically telling the ninja to never use their power because we need to have confirmation on who is baddie and who isn't?
Sorry, that baffles me.

And tbh, I don't see how lynching Eloh will give us direction for the next lynch. What will it confirm/deny for you? Nothing for me, tbh. I think we have enough leads from the thread and with Epig alone.

Ambray, you want me killed by the civvie ninja? I declare you a baddie! You don't want me lynched b/c you know if I am lynched everyone will find out I am a civvie. You sneaky sneaky girl.

Lynching me will not confirm anything for Ambray b/c she already knows I am a civvie.

MovingPictures07 wrote: I also asked you for your thoughts on current happenings, but of course, you've been saying near nothing on that front, other than Epig is bad. Yes, we all know that. Who do you think is bad?

I'm definitely believe that Ambray is bad. I think s~v~s is civvie. Other than than, I am not sure enough of anyone to state my opinion.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, here's what's really interesting about Russ. Thank you, multiple people, for pointing in his direction, because now I don't feel NKing Elohcin is such a good idea. It seemed pretty clear to me her behavior is classic baddie, and it still could be, but maybe she's just dug herself a newbie hole here.

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In summary, if Elohcin actually is a civvie here, Russ's push to get Elohcin lynched over Epig makes TOTAL SENSE. Then Elohcin would have flipped civvie, Epig would have been possibly cleared, and they could have tried to lynch Snow Dog or llama from there on out.

That being said, Elohcin's behavior still seems really odd to me, but it's very possible we've been hoodwinked, and llama is not the true main scapegoat (that would be more true if S~V~S were bad), but Elohcin is.

She did vote for ship, and then she did eye Snow Dog, and then stick up for Epig, but then vote a low poster. It does seem really bad, but it's possible she just is on her own as well, I suppose.

Snow Dog's more recent posts convince me he's not where we should be looking. I still feel llama is probably not baddie either, but I don't know. I think we definitely need to look hard at Russ and Elohcin, currently. What's interesting is that if Russ is indeed bad, I do wonder about FH, because that seems like a logical connection to me. Anyone have any reads on her?

Yes, MP, yes. I think you have finally got it!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Actually, I did not see that you said it, I thought MP said it, I have not totally caught up. Got home, read Llamas posts, skimmed MPs, was gonna read the rest with dinner and a nice drink

And I know I have said that too, but I am really trying to get away from that kind of term, it sounds baddie, when a lot of the time it isn't. Sometimes it is just stubborness, though. I can be stubborn, as, I am sure, many of us can be~

I did say you were exercising tunnel vision because you were refusing to see anything about Epig for quite a long time there and frothed over llama. Yes, I know it's only Day 2, but I didn't mean it as a necessarily baddie term and certainly not as an insulting one.

Elohcin wrote:
Alright. Whew, that was a lot to catch up on. Let me just say that you are completely 100% wrong about me Alex. You are right that I was/am hesitant during MOTU. It is my first Mafia game. I was getting my feet wet, learning the ropes. I said I wouldn't post unless I was most certain of what I had to say. But, this is my second game, I have now watched many of you play the game with accusations and speculations right at the very beginning. So, I thought I would give it a try. I thought it would be fun to dive right in and be a more active player. All that did was get you to think I am a baddie. Also, I am not Epig's teammate. Just b/c I thought that he wasn't being a hypocrite doesn't mean I am either. So, to try to prove we are not teammates, I will vote Epig. Although, you will probably respond to my vote that I had no problem voting Epig b/c he already has so many votes and is sure to be lynched anyway. No matter what, I doubt you'll change your mind about me until you eventually find out my role. And, once you do....you will be eating all those socks. And after that, you will be apologizing as well. Just wait and see

If I'm wrong, then who do you think is baddie? Why are you voting Epig? You don't even say more than just "to try to prove we are not teammates, I will vote Epig." Which reads to me as "I am Epig's teammate and I'm going to try to prove to you that I'm not."

Why did you vote for DP? If you seriously thought what people were saying about Snow Dog early in the game made him most suspicious, why did you drop it absolutely and completely, only to then turn to He-Man looking suspicious, and then not mentioning any of those things again and voting a low poster? How was DP most worthy of your vote and seemingly most baddie?

And I really don't think I'll be eating socks.

I vote Epig to show that I am not on his team and that I am not a baddie. Plain and simple. Why would I vote for a teammate? I would not vote for him to say, "I am Epig's teammate and I'm going to try to prove to you that I'm not", b/c I am a horrible liar.

My reasons for voting DP were clear. I stated SD sounded like a good lynch withing the first few posts of the game. He was the only one being pingy right from the start. However, he became less pingy. I also said low posters was a good way to go. In the end, I chose the lowest poster. I think that choice is better than trying to speculate who is baddie so early in the game.

And, yes, you'll be eating socks I'm telling you, I am a horrible liar. And, I am not baddie. I am definitely civvie and a friend of yours

Epignosis wrote: Woo-Hoo! Let's get those baddies! Bye-bye Epi!

Sorry honey.

This is what happens when husbands and wives share computers.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Now there is even more that contributes to him being baddie and that’s via connections and circumstances. Let’s look Elohcin now:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13422#p13422 Guess what she does? Votes ship. And early on too, just like Epignosis did.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13598#p13598 Here she says it’s difficult to know who to lynch. Now why doesn’t S~V~S get on HER for squashing discussion? Double standard much? And then Elohcin sets up her future vote by saying “Snow Dog does seem most suspicious as others have pointed out.” That’s a very baddie phrase if I’ve ever seen one, trust me. I’ve been there.

Elohcin wrote:

He-Man wrote: Alright babes

@snow dog, I said epig was being hypocritical because he is willing to punish the low posters in this game but not the game he is hosting. I find it strange. I realise its still continuing a cant really be discussed but since its obvious I felt a need to say it.

So epig why punish the low posters in this game all of a sudden?

Linki

I know I said we may want to lynch Snow Dog earlier, but there were much fewer posts at the time and he seemed to be the only one (other than low posters) that we could point our finger at. However, now I am being pinged by He-Man. He mentions that Epig is being hypocritical by wanting to punish low posters here (by voting for one of them) but does not punish them in MOTU which he is hosting. Obviously, as a host, Epig must stay neutral. He cannot punish low posters in MOTU. He can, however, look at low posters in this game as trying to fly under the radar (which is what I think many baddies will do). I think baddies will do one of two things - be a low poster to try and fly under the radar or come out aggressive and pointing fingers for no good reason just to try to get the attention of players off of them while keeping their post counts up. I think that He-Man is doing the latter. I also feel bad for LT. He-Man seems to defend her a good deal as a low poster which makes me think that he may have BTSC with her which would mean she is baddie as well. Way to call out a teammate there He-Man.

This is pingworthy. He-Man starts going after Epignosis, and she flip flops on Snow Dog because she’s starting to realize she might have to vote to save her teammate. She seems to strongly think He-Man and LT are baddie teammates. Just read this post! It’s absurd. Why would she say this if she were civvie? She has been very cautious in the MOTU game. Remember how she said repeatedly that she didn’t want to post anything until she was absolutely sure? This is a stark contrast.

Elohcin wrote:Oh, and I don't see how the first poll has anything to do with it all. I had no information about the poll. I voted ship for the hell of it. Like I said, nothing to go on.

This very much reads to me as the shifty-eyed baddie. “I didn’t do anything. What are you talking about? Nothing else to go on. No, I’m not baddie. Ship wasn’t the baddie option. Let’s not talk about this.” Seems she wants to squash discussion about this. Just like Epignosis saying it was “bickering” and a “red herring”.

Then there’s her vote. Even weirder!

Elohcin wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:
What has pinged me on my catch-up (so many posts for Day 1, it's great!) was Elohcin jumping in to defend Epignosis then accuse He-Man and LT of having BTSC for He-Man overly defending LT. For starters, I don't think He-Man overly defended her at all. Second, I know Elohcin and Epignosis are married IRL, so I suppose it's possible her defensiveness on his behalf is coming from a personal place, but I could just as easily see them being teammates and Elohcin was concerned at the heat Epignosis was suddenly taking. (I know, feels ironic that I'm accusing Elohcin of the same thing she accused He-Man of ).

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- I never said He-Man "overly defended" LT. He did defend her low posting, however, which pinged me. Why would he do that? And, as I already think he may be a baddie, if he is defending LT, she may be a baddie as well. I'm just trying to have fun and make some speculations from what I see going on in the thread.
- Epig being my husband IRL had nothing to do with my comment about He-Man's accusation against him. I thought it was silly to compare Epig's reactions to low posters during this game with those of MOTU which he hosts. It seemed to me that He-Man was just trying to point a finger and take attention off of himself. Like I said, a host has to stay neutral whether a player posts 100 times or just once. A player can look at low posters and deduce that they may be trying to lay low to avoid confrontation and being lynched. So again, I will vote either He-Man or a low poster.

She starts to back off He-Man a bit and sets up a vote for a low poster. Then she votes DP who coincidentally also already had one vote against him. Come on. If Elohcin isn’t baddie, I will eat a sock. No, I will eat thousands of socks. And that's cannibalism for me!

Alright. Whew, that was a lot to catch up on. Let me just say that you are completely 100% wrong about me Alex. You are right that I was/am hesitant during MOTU. It is my first Mafia game. I was getting my feet wet, learning the ropes. I said I wouldn't post unless I was most certain of what I had to say. But, this is my second game, I have now watched many of you play the game with accusations and speculations right at the very beginning. So, I thought I would give it a try. I thought it would be fun to dive right in and be a more active player. All that did was get you to think I am a baddie. Also, I am not Epig's teammate. Just b/c I thought that he wasn't being a hypocrite doesn't mean I am either. So, to try to prove we are not teammates, I will vote Epig. Although, you will probably respond to my vote that I had no problem voting Epig b/c he already has so many votes and is sure to be lynched anyway. No matter what, I doubt you'll change your mind about me until you eventually find out my role. And, once you do....you will be eating all those socks. And after that, you will be apologizing as well. Just wait and see

Boogs wrote:I re-read the roles after the kill happened to try to see if I got any weird vibes from who did what and wanted to try to see what good things had helped us.

I have played a Mafia kind of game with BF called Avalon but I don't do very well. As for logical, I play a lot of board games so i am very "analysis paralysis" if you will

I have to agree with everyone else. I believe you are going to be a very valuable player.

RIP Indiglo and welcome back MP. Glad to have you here again.

That stinks. RIP MP. It would have been neat to see you play out a civvie role

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:By the way...is there a more efficient way to find the low posters other than going to each player and clicking "In Topic" under their name to see how many times they have posted?

Yes, go to The Side Mission subforum (click it at the top of the page, next to Mafia). Then under REPLIES, click the total post number there and it will show everyone who has posted and how many times.

Thank you so much, Alex. That settles it. I am voting Juliets then, lowest poster.

LOL, she's not playing this one. But no problem!

I have to say I'm not seeing the suspicion of llama. I'm open to the possibility that I am wrong here, but I haven't seen any behavior from him that indicates his alignment one way or the other yet, even his vote for DP.

Thanks, yes, I figured that one out as soon as I posted and went to vote. She did only post one time, however

Okay DP it is. Haha!

I'm an idiot

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:By the way...is there a more efficient way to find the low posters other than going to each player and clicking "In Topic" under their name to see how many times they have posted?

Yes, go to The Side Mission subforum (click it at the top of the page, next to Mafia). Then under REPLIES, click the total post number there and it will show everyone who has posted and how many times.

Thank you so much, Alex. That settles it. I am voting Juliets then, lowest poster.

By the way...is there a more efficient way to find the low posters other than going to each player and clicking "In Topic" under their name to see how many times they have posted?

Flyin' High wrote:
What has pinged me on my catch-up (so many posts for Day 1, it's great!) was Elohcin jumping in to defend Epignosis then accuse He-Man and LT of having BTSC for He-Man overly defending LT. For starters, I don't think He-Man overly defended her at all. Second, I know Elohcin and Epignosis are married IRL, so I suppose it's possible her defensiveness on his behalf is coming from a personal place, but I could just as easily see them being teammates and Elohcin was concerned at the heat Epignosis was suddenly taking. (I know, feels ironic that I'm accusing Elohcin of the same thing she accused He-Man of ).

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- I never said He-Man "overly defended" LT. He did defend her low posting, however, which pinged me. Why would he do that? And, as I already think he may be a baddie, if he is defending LT, she may be a baddie as well. I'm just trying to have fun and make some speculations from what I see going on in the thread.
- Epig being my husband IRL had nothing to do with my comment about He-Man's accusation against him. I thought it was silly to compare Epig's reactions to low posters during this game with those of MOTU which he hosts. It seemed to me that He-Man was just trying to point a finger and take attention off of himself. Like I said, a host has to stay neutral whether a player posts 100 times or just once. A player can look at low posters and deduce that they may be trying to lay low to avoid confrontation and being lynched. So again, I will vote either He-Man or a low poster.

I agree with blindfaeth. Let's remember who our host is as well. Relax and be sweet.

Oh, and I don't see how the first poll has anything to do with it all. I had no information about the poll. I voted ship for the hell of it. Like I said, nothing to go on.

LittleTiger wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

He-Man wrote:

Ambray wrote:

Ambray wrote:I'm a notorious low poster? Ouch, my feelings.

But Dex is right, quantity over quality.

Oh my gosh, quality over quantity.

What is up with me and confusing my words suddenly..



Okay, I'll be honest, this isn't sudden at all. >.>

Alright babes

@snow dog, I said epig was being hypocritical because he is willing to punish the low posters in this game but not the game he is hosting. I find it strange. I realise its still continuing a cant really be discussed but since its obvious I felt a need to say it.

So epig why punish the low posters in this game all of a sudden?

Linki

I know I said we may want to lynch Snow Dog earlier, but there were much fewer posts at the time and he seemed to be the only one (other than low posters) that we could point our finger at. However, now I am being pinged by He-Man. He mentions that Epig is being hypocritical by wanting to punish low posters here (by voting for one of them) but does not punish them in MOTU which he is hosting. Obviously, as a host, Epig must stay neutral. He cannot punish low posters in MOTU. He can, however, look at low posters in this game as trying to fly under the radar (which is what I think many baddies will do). I think baddies will do one of two things - be a low poster to try and fly under the radar or come out aggressive and pointing fingers for no good reason just to try to get the attention of players off of them while keeping their post counts up. I think that He-Man is doing the latter. I also feel bad for LT. He-Man seems to defend her a good deal as a low poster which makes me think that he may have BTSC with her which would mean she is baddie as well. Way to call out a teammate there He-Man.

What? And this coming from a Ship voter?

Where has He-Man defended me? I did see where he responded to a post by Epig listing low posters....

And why is he-man a baddie, exactly? Oh, right... Epignosis thinks he is posting nonsense (I must say, I find people saying this about He-man's posts to be a bit off - I can understand what he is saying. He posts from an iPad so, as those of us who have used tablets or phones know, sometimes they are hard to type on).

I have no BTSC in this game.

I might call your post a defense of Epignosis - another Ship voter

Also, the fact that you say you were planning on voting Snow Dog also catches my eye - he is certainly the most easily lynchable today, so baddies will definitely be wanting to hop that bandwagon if it rolls. But now, this attention on He-Man is catching MY eye given that it is coming from Ship voters

As for Snow Dog, I don't think I will be voting his way as his later posts make me think that he was just diving into the game and asking questions - but it got out of hand. Doesn't make him a baddie.

Hey hey, I'm just playing the game.
First of all, I never said I was *planning* on voting Snow Dog. I mentioned him as a possible lynch as he was the only one to point to (other than low posters) at the time. I no longer see him as a possible baddie for now.
Second, When Indiglo made a small statement to defend another player in the MOTU game, so many poeple blew it up and jumped to the conclusion that she was baddie. I've learned how to play this game from most of you all. I've learned that when the game is just starting and there isn't much to go on, read into what you can . Like I said before, I think baddies will either be low posters (to try and fly under the radar) or they will point fingers as much as possible. The reasons He-Man gives for pointing just don't seem reasonable enough. That is why he pings me. For now, I am thinking He-man or a low poster would be good to lynch.

He-Man wrote:Also look my post count is going up.

It's not about quantity it's about quality. I could spam the thread and get a 100 posts hmm I'm sure I did that in MOTU and I was bad.

Anyways looking at the low posters russ IMO has been making some sense and his posts seem ok with me albeit a few.

I can't account for LT but the others are notorious low posters, maybe LT just wants a bit of a break, she plays loads of mafia and never seen her play an extreme because of allegiance.

Epic has my eye now. That's for sure.

Here is is. Sorry, took me a minute to find.

He-Man wrote:

Ambray wrote:

Ambray wrote:I'm a notorious low poster? Ouch, my feelings.

But Dex is right, quantity over quality.

Oh my gosh, quality over quantity.

What is up with me and confusing my words suddenly..



Okay, I'll be honest, this isn't sudden at all. >.>

Alright babes

@snow dog, I said epig was being hypocritical because he is willing to punish the low posters in this game but not the game he is hosting. I find it strange. I realise its still continuing a cant really be discussed but since its obvious I felt a need to say it.

So epig why punish the low posters in this game all of a sudden?

Linki

I know I said we may want to lynch Snow Dog earlier, but there were much fewer posts at the time and he seemed to be the only one (other than low posters) that we could point our finger at. However, now I am being pinged by He-Man. He mentions that Epig is being hypocritical by wanting to punish low posters here (by voting for one of them) but does not punish them in MOTU which he is hosting. Obviously, as a host, Epig must stay neutral. He cannot punish low posters in MOTU. He can, however, look at low posters in this game as trying to fly under the radar (which is what I think many baddies will do). I think baddies will do one of two things - be a low poster to try and fly under the radar or come out aggressive and pointing fingers for no good reason just to try to get the attention of players off of them while keeping their post counts up. I think that He-Man is doing the latter. I also feel bad for LT. He-Man seems to defend her a good deal as a low poster which makes me think that he may have BTSC with her which would mean she is baddie as well. Way to call out a teammate there He-Man.

RIP Stevie. I do agree that he would have died no matter which task we chose. It needed to happen to get the game rolling.

Even though it is difficult to know who to lynch so early in the game, someone must be voted for and Snow Dog does seem most suspicious as others have pointed out.

Yay Game!

I have never played mincraft, but this looks like it will be fun. It is my second Mafia game and I am excited to play

I spend the majority of my time at home, so I say we go on an adventure. I am voting for the ship!