The Syndicate

Gosh guys, I felt like such an idiot. I was just so excited to have btsc with someone that I even though it said L, I read it as Light. I just cracked up at myself, literally LOLed for a good 5 minutes. I was running around the kitchen at the time working on a cake and trying to play Mafia at the same time. Ask Epi, I am not a great multitasker. But even my kids came running into the kitchen asking me what was so funny. I told them, "Well, you can't tell Daddy, but...." It was so hilarious! I had a lot of fun talking to Llama though. I came up with all these reasons why he ought not build a case on me in the thread. Who knew he could just out me like he did. I wish I could have copied and pasted the convo...that would have been fun to post in end game. Oh, and I thought llama as a girl too

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Another Death Note has not been put in circulation; that was merely for story. Sorry for the confusion.

Thing is, no one was confused in any way by that, except for Russ who decided flavour storylines are now game indicative.

Maybe after seeing that L was allowed to share my alignment freely in the thread, Russ thought that it would be possible that MP was sharing info in his stories.

Russtifinko wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Feeling increasingly good about my vote.

I'm not. It just occurred to me that L might not be coming up with his own percentages, but they are generated by MP, and L comes up with his own conclusion. Sorry if someone else already said this.

.....but Elo has now outed herself, so.....

Linki: Thanks, juliets! Right about what?

no no....don't say that. I didn't out myself. I was never even clear on my reasons for voting the person I voted. I was VERY careful not to go against the rules.

zeek wrote:Err, yeah, Elo... you should try harder to look civ!

Happy with my vote, night guys

I obviously have no reason now.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I find certain people suspicious of different things. As I am most likely getting lynched today, I feel I must vote for the player I think dropped "info" about me. Problem is...I keep going back and forth between BR and FZ, hence the reason I keep getting FZ and zomb mixed up. I thought I finally decided on BR, but then FZ's most recent comment makes me think her.

Did you seriously just say you're trying to vote for L?

I find certain people suspicious of different things. As I am most likely getting lynched today, I feel I must vote for the player I think dropped "info" about me. Problem is...I keep going back and forth between BR and FZ, hence the reason I keep getting FZ and zomb mixed up. I thought I finally decided on BR, but then FZ's most recent comment makes me think her.

ebwop: more than half of*

well...there is it...more than half. the votes are on me. I am going to go ahead an vote Black Rock. I could be wrong in my reasons for voting her, but I am almost sure I am right.

DharmaHelper wrote:I will say this: Poorly done, L.

I do have to agree. I would have hoped that if L thought I was bad, he would have tried to build a case on me. Don'tcha think?

AND....if you want to pack ON the calories.....tomorrow is National Pancake Day. IHOP has a free short stack of pancakes for anyone who dines in

@ zeek, so I need to get better at looking CIV all the time then instead of being unreadable.

zeek wrote:I've briefly looked back at Elo and found nothing that really makes me comfortable or suspicious with her, but that is exactly how I've felt every game with her so

With that said, I'm going to vote for her. We have to trust L and this is the only way to make sure we can.

linki - well done

Does this mean my mafia playing has gotten better then? I guess so

@Juliets - thanks.

@ TH and BR. I do not blame you all for voting me. Not one bit

Black Rock - Congrats! to you too. Don't look down upon 8 lbs It was Christmas day when I had lost 8 lbs. Keep it up. Today, I am at my pre-second pregnancy weight. I have 11.5 to go to be pre-pregnancies weight

Well, I have pretty much given up. Shoot....if I were in your position, I would probably end up voting me too. I have to be honest. But you must also know that just because my name is at the bottom of the screen, doesn't mean I am HERE. I leave the tab up most of the time so I can check it every once in a while and not get too behind. Today I've been busy living The kids have seven weeks of school left for the year. Abigail learned two-digit adding and subtracting today (so like....doing the ones column, then the tens column) and Simon learned long division. I think my biggest joy in life is teaching my children. I also worked out, of course, I've lost 27.5 lbs y'all!!!!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I get the feeling that lynching Eloh today is unavoidable.

I get that feeling too

EBWOP: doesn't help the accusations against me. B/c again...there really is no case.

RIP Aces

Epignosis wrote:These are the L posts:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

This is L.

I have determined that the likelihood of AceofSpaces as Kira is right around 4%.

Despite a poorly considered Day 1 lynch, I do not currently suspect AceofSpaces. Maybe don't let him lead any more lynches, though.

"I do not currently suspect AceofSpaces."
"Maybe don't let him lead any more lynches though."

An opinion and a suggestion.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hello again. This is L.

I have determined that the likelihood of Russtifinko as Kira is right around 5%.

Hmm, the strong silent type. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

"Hmm, the strong silent type. I'm not sure how I feel about that."

Another subjective claim, followed by indecisiveness.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

This is L.

Elohcin has a 0% chance of being Kira, because she is a confirmed Kira sympathizer. She should be eliminated as soon as possible.

"Elohcin has a 0% chance of being Kira, because she is a confirmed Kira sympathizer."

That's pure objectivity containing an assertiveness that was absent in the previous two posts. This is another reason to maintain the opinion that L is not dropping facts into the thread, but his opinion.

I deduce that L is a someone who is learning how to use this role effectively over time, rather than L gaining definitive info on people that he or she can dump in a gossip post.

Do with this analysis what you wish.

I know this doesn't help my case. But....looks like if Higuchi is the new kira, he may be using L's own theories against him. I bet Russ is next.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Elo my question to you is, if the message said someone besides you were bad, would you vote for that person to see if L was telliing the truth?

It would depend on who the player was and how they have been playing so far. But I understand you all are in hard place. We both are.

well...then players are just trying to pick me apart when there is nothing really there. I don't know how to come at that. Do I yell and scream and curse you all? Of course not. If I were in your situation, I would have to think long and hard. But, please people....don't call me out on things that really aren't there just because finding a reason to vote for me is what is best for you personally. Think about what is good for the whole group of detectives.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm not trying to start a pissing match.

An anyway....I think I might win. I drink like 60-70 ounces of water a day

Um...do you know whom you married?

I thought you meant a pissing match with llama. And are you insulting me about posting number of posts

Elohcin wrote:I'm not trying to start a pissing match.

An anyway....I think I might win. I drink like 60-70 ounces of water a day

I'm not trying to start a pissing match.

AceofSpaces - 69 posts
Bass_the_Clever - 32 posts
bea - 128 posts
Black Rock - 86 posts
boo - 194 posts
Boomslang - 36 posts
DharmaHelper - 461 posts
DisgruntledPorcupine - 29 posts
Elohcin - 84 posts
Epignosis - 396 posts
FZ. - 230 posts
juliets - 87 posts
Made - 71 posts
Matahari - 66 posts
Metalmarsh89 - 441 posts
Ricochet - 294 posts
Russtifinko - 25 posts
Spacedaisy - 25 posts
thellama73 - 409 posts
Turnip Head - 570 posts
zeek - replaced Roxy - Night 1 - not sure how to do this here....but zeek - 60 posts and Roxy - 5 posts
Zomberella12 - 292 posts


do with this what you will. I have posted more than nine others.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Elohcin wrote:One more defense I thought of just now. Most of you know how I play Mafia. Don't you think if I were a kira sympathizer I would play it cool and quiet like so many other players are in this game? Especially since as a kira sympathizer I would at least start out with no BTSC. Why would I be so vocal if I were not a detective. Talking only puts attention onto myself.

linki, so why did you vote me already, DH?

Because I like the case on you as well.

Can you tell me what this CASE you are talking about is? No one has built a case against me. I'd call it an accusation, not a case.

thellama73 wrote:
I think you have been playing it cool and quiet. You only have two pages of posts, and most are non-controversial.

I have to disagree. I have been more talkative than most, I believe. I am now going to go back an see who has been quieter than me to see if I am right.

Epi's right. Please don't be afraid NOT to vote me just b/c you think that seems to be the easy way out.

One more defense I thought of just now. Most of you know how I play Mafia. Don't you think if I were a kira sympathizer I would play it cool and quiet like so many other players are in this game? Especially since as a kira sympathizer I would at least start out with no BTSC. Why would I be so vocal if I were not a detective. Talking only puts attention onto myself.

linki, so why did you vote me already, DH?

FZ. wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think FZ may be kira. She is my top suspect. I know I have said I have gone back and forth on her, but her posts this day phase really make be thing she may be kira. So...think for a minute. If you were kira and you got this info in the thread from L about someone being a kira sympathizer.....how would you react? She was ready to go jump right on me and follow L no matter what. BR too, now that I think about it. They both TALKED like they were ready to vote me right away. BUT...did they? No. B/c they are probably secretly thinking something like, "Well..what is she IS a kira sympathizer. I want to act like a detective and talk like I am ready to follow L's suggestions right off, but I will hold off voting for her just in case she really is a sympathizer. I will only vote her once others have decided it is best....better to blend."

So....FZ and Black Rock....I suspect them b/c of their reaction to L's thoughts.

lots of linki I'll read in a sec

You're funny.
Here is my post from earlier today.

FZ. wrote:I, for one, do not intend to ignore TH, because no matter his alignment, he's asking good questions, and I disagree with everyone saying he's doing counter productive things. The only thing he's doing that's problematic is his early voting, and we have too many players doing that.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If Epi wants to suspect me for that, haha, newsflash: Seems you're already suspicious of me, so whatever.

I have no idea what to make of this L thing, but since I wasn't feeling very good about Elo in the first place, this just adds to it. I have no problem voting for her, but if I find a better option, I'll go with that.
I'm still interested in what Bea has to say in reply to Boo. I'd like to see the exchange there.

Perfect fit to what you're saying...or not.
I've been suspicious of you before this day, and what I said is, L saying what he did just adds to it. How was I ready to follow L no matter what? I didn't vote right away because I never do unless I'm sure, and I like to weigh all options before I do.
This is a big fat NO U if I ever saw one

I am embarrassed FZ. I am so sorry. How I keep getting you and Zomb mixed up I don't know. It was her and Black rock that were ready to come at me. Maybe its the Z, I don't know.

DH, why would you vote for me before I could even respond?

linki: I re-read what I posted and I believe my thoughts were conveyed clearly.

I think FZ may be kira. She is my top suspect. I know I have said I have gone back and forth on her, but her posts this day phase really make be thing she may be kira. So...think for a minute. If you were kira and you got this info in the thread from L about someone being a kira sympathizer.....how would you react? She was ready to go jump right on me and follow L no matter what. BR too, now that I think about it. They both TALKED like they were ready to vote me right away. BUT...did they? No. B/c they are probably secretly thinking something like, "Well..what is she IS a kira sympathizer. I want to act like a detective and talk like I am ready to follow L's suggestions right off, but I will hold off voting for her just in case she really is a sympathizer. I will only vote her once others have decided it is best....better to blend."

So....FZ and Black Rock....I suspect them b/c of their reaction to L's thoughts.

lots of linki I'll read in a sec

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Eloh, you don't seem to feel any pressure at all right now.

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm voting for Eloh now. Her response reads counter to what I would expect from a detective. Whereas I'd expect a civvie to be impassioned and defiantly defending themselves, Eloh has been quite the opposite. Quiet, indifferent acceptance of an eventuality (her being exposed as a Sympathizer) is what I'm feeling is the case. She's also avoided multiple lines of inquiry which to me is not something I would expect from an innocent person.

I am feeling the pressure but I don't know how to defend myself in this situation. It's not like L said, "I think she is a kira sympathizer b/c of this, this, and this." There is nothing to defend against except to say...."Please trust me guys." Will you all NOT vote for me b/c I simply ask you to trust me over L?

As for being quiet...more like busy. I woke up, worked out, showered, fed my kids and got them all three ready for church, went to church, went grocery shopping, put groceries away, made lunch for he family, cleaned the kitchen, did the dished, bathed all three of my children and just put two pretty Anna of Arendelle braids in Abigail's hair. I did catch up in the thread while each kids played a little in the bath, but I am just now (8 hours after waking) finally sitting down to rest. And....funny enough, as I sat down, my littlest came and asked for some cereal, but I was able to get Epi to help with that. On top of it all, I am not feeling well. It is gloomy, cold, and rainy and my body is feeling the lack of good sleep from last night. BUT...I am here now. What would you like to know...please ask anything. I want to prove myself good. I just don't know how. DH, what would YOU say in this situation? Like I said, I have nothing to defend myself against! There was no CASE built against me.

Spacedaisy wrote:

FZ. wrote:Also, at the risk of looking more suspicious in the eyes of the oh so smart ones, I think that ignoring TH is just rude. Whatever his role is, he's doing what he needs to do to win the game. You want to vote for him, do it. But rolling your eyes and asking people to ignore him is something I don't think should be done. I don't think I would enjoy playing the game if I were in his shoes. Just my two cents

I agree completely.

I see both sides. I have no ill feelings towards him as a player and don't want him to think me rude. I think he was acting a little weird in the beginning of the game but now seems to be very helpful like he usually is in Mafia. However, him surviving lynches does concern me.

ebwop: that was an ignore.

linki....I don't know what to say to TH b/c he's TH...I am not supposed to trust him, right?

Turnip Head wrote:Elo who do you think could be a Kira sympathizer?

Zomberella12 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:Does anyone have any theories (assumptions okay) about how L could have found out this information?

Nevermind, don't answer this. I'm going to vote Elo unless something drastic changes in the next 48 hours.

Linki: Thank you for taking time to at least consider L could be wrong guys.

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:L seems absolutely sure about this one but I hate to go simply off of info. Elo why do you think L would say that about you?

I have no clue. He seems to think he knows me. There are so many mechanics in this game...I just don't know.

Oh, so you're suddenly reluctant to assume. How quickly things change.

I wasn't assuming. There is "very little BTSC" in this game right now at this moment as compared to other Mafia games. That is a fact you can know by reading the roles. Get over it, deary.

Linki: I understand your position as well. But we have to think....where might L be getting his info from? Let's start there...maybe we can come up with something together.

I honestly don't know how to defend myself either. But, I will try to answer any and all questions to the best of my ability.

Linki: HAHA! b/c I I referenced something he did on the show that brought back memories of my early teens? C'mon!

Turnip Head wrote:L seems absolutely sure about this one but I hate to go simply off of info. Elo why do you think L would say that about you?

I have no clue. He seems to think he knows me. There are so many mechanics in this game...I just don't know.

Whaaaaaa???!!!

All I had to do was scroll up and read the roles real quick that llama just quotes. I want to make sure I was right in thinking that it was just "2 here"and "2 there". And my memory was correct.

Linki: haha, llama, he is right. You are assuming too

Okay, sure....those may have happened. Even still....its only two people with BTSC here and 2 people with BTSC there. It still makes it hard to catch baddies. There's no GROUP of players with BTSC making decisions, scheming, and possibly slipping up in the thread or creating a trail.

Linki: Yes, I agree with TH. Good point.

TH, why fishy that I have to reread roles before answering? I don't retain info like some. I have to read the roles SEVERAL times throughout a game.

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:OHHH...I think I see where you are getting at. I mean very little BTSC right NOW. DUH!

And you know that Misa hasn't received a death note, how? And you know that's Mikami's "at some point" hasn't happened yet, how?

Um..not sure. I will go read the roles and get back to you

OHHH...I think I see where you are getting at. I mean very little BTSC right NOW. DUH!

@ llama - I am not understanding how I lied. Please elaborate.

@ FZ - I was more inclined to see Epi as civ and DH as bad. But not enough to weigh in.

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:FZ, what do you consider to be big issues?

I don't know. I don't remember Elo saying much in any of the big discussions, like DH vs. Epi. I mostly remember her talking about watching the show, sharing stuff on her and EPi, that are a need to know basis :P , and posting a lot in OT green.


Elo, by the way, I forgot to ask you before because when I read it, I was in a big hurry. Did you mix me and Zombarella up? You had this post where you talked about how leading a lynch did not make those people good. If I remember, I thought you were talking about the Snowman lynch, and then you went on to say that even though it didn't make those people civvies, you felt nothing but good vibes from llama and me. Did you mean Zomb?

I didn't have anything to weigh in on the DH/Epi thing. I am still not exactly sure about Epi's alliance. If I am unsure about his alliance, how can I make any decisions about what HE thinks of DH. Any other big issues you want my two cents on?

The off topic green was responses to Epi's late night OT greens.

And, I remember the post you are talking about. I believe you are right. I got you mixed up with Zomb.

Elohcin wrote:Actually..I did give my opinion of Epi already. And there isn't anything to get involved in but the puzzle right now...its all people seem to care about. And unfortunately, I have no idea where to begin with puzzles. What big issues are you referring to actually?

Linki: I guess TH. Anyway...I'm mostly lost this game b/c I don't know who to go for. I thin it's easier to catch baddies when they have BTSC. You can look for patterns, distancing, slips, etc. In this game, I have no idea what to even look for.

For anyone, what would you consider to be "suspicious behavior" in a game like this where there is very little BTSC?

EBWOP: "who to go for" meaning...who to vote, who to find suspicious

Actually..I did give my opinion of Epi already. And there isn't anything to get involved in but the puzzle right now...its all people seem to care about. And unfortunately, I have no idea where to begin with puzzles. What big issues are you referring to actually?

Linki: I guess TH. Anyway...I'm mostly lost this game b/c I don't know who to go for. I thin it's easier to catch baddies when they have BTSC. You can look for patterns, distancing, slips, etc. In this game, I have no idea what to even look for.

For anyone, what would you consider to be "suspicious behavior" in a game like this where there is very little BTSC?

FZ. wrote:
Interesting that both BR and Elo are a little suspicious of me after I just said I was suspicious of them. Elo, to answer your question, I've never seen this show, and if what I see here is any indication, I won't be watching it any time soon :P .
Also, you keep saying that you're trying to think of what is considered bad and what is good. Is that why you're not really trying to add any thoughts? I feel you're even less talkative than usual.

I'm taking everything in and observing as much as possible I am also trying to do some detective work and figure something out atm. I believe I am almost there. I don't find you crazy suspicious. I was in a big hurry to vote. It was already 7:44 when I ran to my computer to vote. I knew my vote for you would not affect you and it would allow me not to be punished for missing the vote.

FZ. wrote: Elo is also playing that card, but with her, it's that she doesn't know who is bad and who is good. Come on, that's what you're going for? Really? That doesn't sound genuine. Is it only me?

I think watching the show has messed me up. It messes with your head being right in the middle of the show b/c Light is NOT bad. He is NOT kira. He is HELPING the detectives find kira. He has no recollection of ever BEING kira. And, he cannot imagine himself EVER killing someone even if they were a horrible criminal. So...it is weird. My thoughts are genuine.

FZ. wrote:Why would Elo say she thought Bea was L? Wouldn't that jeopardize Bea? Why not just say she thought she was good? I don't get Elo this game at all.

Epi said that my reaction to his question would help him decide what question to ask next. I was curious to see his reaction...that is all.

Epignosis wrote:DharmaHelper and Elohcin:

In one sentence, what is your opinion of bea? Your answers, taken together, will drive my second question.

I think there is a possibility she could be L.

Black Rock wrote:

Elohcin wrote:oh my goodness I just RAN into the living room to vote. I sat down to dinner with my lovely family and said I would get back up at 7:40 just to vote. Then I forgot. Man oh man...I'll explain my vote after I eat.

I'm curious to hear it, I have had some suspicion. I just don't know if I am crazy or not.

I've gone back and forth on FZ. I don't suspect TH so I didn't want to jump on that bandwagon. Also, I didn't even really look at the poll when I voted. I had last seen it ten minutes before going to eat and from what I remembered, no matter where I voted, it wouldn't have changed the fact that TH had the most votes. Now...that may have changed in those ten minutes I was away. But it was 7:44 on the microwave and 7:44 on my computer when I got to it, so I just voted quickly for someone I find a bit suspicious rather than someone I am not sure about.

What have your suspicious of FZ been?

oh my goodness I just RAN into the living room to vote. I sat down to dinner with my lovely family and said I would get back up at 7:40 just to vote. Then I forgot. Man oh man...I'll explain my vote after I eat.

Black Rock wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I have yet to catch up today. I will be doing so in just a moment, but I have a question for a few players.

@Bea, Black Rock, SpaceDaisy, and FZ. Have any of y'all watched the show? Death Note, I mean.

I have not.

Thanks.