The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:HOLY SHIT YES.

SMH. See ya, sucker.

You are all making a big mistake.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm hidden a good percentage of the time I'm on the site, pretty sure most people do that.

I don't, ever.

fingersplints wrote:If he is bad, he could be avoiding casting a vote for Elo so it doesn't look bad if she flips civvie.

Sloonei wrote:Elohcin, maybe once you've caught up, could you tell us what you think of any/all of the people who are voting for you right now? Do you find any of the votes suspicious? Which ones do you buy as sincere?

I think they are wrong. I think MP has his panties in a wad b/c I questioned his cheerful behavior and he used whatever opportunity he could to build a case on me even if it was stupid. I think most others followed him because threw a hissy fit. I don't understand TinyBubbles early vote for me. I wonder if she is new to Mafia. I think San may genuinely think I am bad although he/she's wrong. And I think Aether has jumped on the bandwagon.

I'm stepping away from mafia for a bit. As I have said, I have other things I have to do today. I will come back later.

Okay...so I have been reading and reading and I still have two pages to catch up on. In 24 hours, you all have managed to post 7 pages worth. If you have already voted, could you kindly please refrain from flooding the thread with post after post so that those of us who have yet to vote can get our bearings and vote. I have other things I have to get done today. No offense, I love mafia, but i cannot play if I am expected to spend half of my waking hours on it.

I still have 5 pages to catch up on. The and I have had a busy, but fun start to our three day weekend. It is nice to know someone understands me. I think having had BTSC with TH before, he understands me a good bit. That can be good and bad for me, but in this case, I am thankful.

Turnip Head wrote:@MP, I think Elo has reacted to the suspicion of her just as emotionally as you have. She sees it her way, and her way is the right way, probably because she's civ. I actually think she'd be more inclined to explain her vote if she were bad, because she would feel like she needs a good explanation.

Fact is, regardless of Elo's own defense, her reads progression of both you AND Golden seems organic to me. She seemed to carefully considerate in her read of you in particular, MP. I don't know if you read it that way, but that's how I read it, and I don't know that a baddie-Elo would go to such lengths and get involved in the argument with you. She cites my case on Golden as a reason to vote for him, and we can debate the merits of her voting based on that, but she's far from the only person in this game to make a change in their read, and that's something civvies tend to do more often than baddies anyways.

So you could say I'm reading her the exact opposite way that you are.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Elohcin and her interactions with Golden prior to her vote for him:

Elohcin wrote:

Golden wrote:
In fact, I'd suggest that what Jay has experienced is a culture in which mostly the baddies try to look good. In contrast, I think the practice that has developed more strongly here (and at the contributing sites that make up 'here') is that the civilians try to look a bit bad, to avoid being NKed.

I agree with this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We've seen a little more from other players now. What do you folks think of Elo, Epi, Golden, G-Man, etc...?

I'll answer myself shortly.

I don't know about you, but I think Elo is civ civ civ hehe

Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.

bad start, Elohcin. her first direct statement about Golden was to say she were leaning civilian on him. minds are allowed to change, but it must take some serious convincing over the course of a single day phase. at first, he was one of her 5 civilian reads. 5 out of 18. he must have looked pretty solid to her.

I disagree. I think one's opinion can change in a day phase. Golden came in like his normal self and then started acting quiet and posting excuses for this or that. My opinion changed.

Elohcin wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:this might be called a slight backtrack. he doesn't understand TH's methods but grants some degree of validity to the assertion that he is off-meta in this game. i wouldn't know either way about his meta. this is a very minor ping if a ping at all though.

Off-perception of my meta. I don't think the idea that I'm off-meta is accurate, but I can at least understand that people find the games when I'm loudest most memorable, and I don't think genuinely perceiving me that way is unusual.

I'm glad to see TH is here. I want him to respond to some of the points I've made.

I know I have only played one game with you, but I think you are acting more reserved this game for sure. And, I do like TH's case on you so far.

the next time Elo acknowledges Golden is in this post, which is very different. can you please explain what changed between the previous post and this one which caused Golden to plummet all the way down your reads from a Top 5 civilian to this observation? Golden's play was consistent throughout the phase until the end when he went after Epignosis. so if his play didn't change, why did your perspective change so much?

Golden came in like his normal self and then started acting quiet and posting excuses for this or that. So, I do believe his game play changed. It was different than I was used to. Therefore, my opinion changed. And what a phrase to use - "Plummet all the way down". Everyone is so dramatic. I said I was leaning civ on him in the beginning. I didn't say. GOLDEN IS CIV! I am sure of it. I put him as GREEN GREEN GREEN on my rainbow list. Goodness gracious. I said I was leaning civ. Then I said, well, wait.....he is playing different, more reserved. Hmm, I need to think about this. Then at the end I said....Okay, voting Golden, he seems like he may be bad.

within the same post:

Elohcin wrote:And then that last quote there. I think I would be okay voting Golden or MP today.

this is a startling fall from grace. he was a Top 5 Civilian, and then he became a Top 2 Baddie.

Elohcin, that kind of change of heart demands a thorough explanation. what did you see in Golden at first that you liked? and why did that change? why did you like TH's case against Golden?

i think you look pretty bad here.

Goodness gracious me. Y'all are too black and white for my taste when it comes to Mafia. None of us civs know for SURE who the Mafia is. These are all just suspicions, speculations. We have to do our best, use our noggins. You will almost never hear me say I am sure that someone is civ or mafia. I never said he was in my top 5 civ. I never said he was in my bottom two baddie reads. I simply said I was leaning civ and then that I would be okay with lynching golden b/c his behavior was odd/reserved much more than I was used to.

My responses are in this color.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Day 1 ISO - Elohcin

Elohcin wrote:I see that DDL thinks all those who've been posting tonight look like town. I disagree, but not only that, I highly doubt that none of the mafia are talking. I just can't see that being the case. Honestly, I see MP's over-helpful behavior as suspicious. I know we have a lot of new players and he wants to be helpful, but there's just something fishy about it.

this is one of the earlier posts which i think promoted a narrowed discussion focused upon the 5 most active players. i don't like that at all. i do think it's plausible for a townie to own this mindset so i won't automatically assume mafia, but it's a markdown. i also don't like vague caveats like "there's just something fishy about it". that's terminology employed in fake reads more often than the mean.

All I was saying was that I doubt ALL of the mafia are silent at that time. Then, I pointed out that MP was acting different than I am used to. It "pinged" me as some would say, so I thought to mention it in order to get discussion rolling on it.

Elohcin wrote:alright....bedtime for me. I am hoping I don't have 10 pages to catch up on when I wake up

linki: he had to answer every question that any of the new-to-the-syndicates asked - even the ones directly asked to the hosts.

linki with MP. I like your answers They do make me feel better. When I said I couldn't put my finger on it, its b/c I felt it could go either way. You seem to be a much more cheerful player and that scared me a bit, sorry. But I thought, maybe it's just b/c we have new players. But then I remembered that you took some time away from Mafia (or now I know you took time away from the syndicate) and I thought....maybe his supportive, helpful, cheerful behavior can be explained by him being excited to be back playing again. And, I think that must be it. When I called you a selfish player I didn't mean anything mean by it Thank you for not finding offense. You're a stand-up dude. For example, I would say Epi is a selfish player. He will act as he wishes no mater what others think. You were like that too imo, just not AS selfish as Epi. Does that make sense?

NOW, I am off to bed.

AHH, linki linki linki. Hey G, you know peewee is on netflix? Haha, my kids find it pretty hilarious

the tone of this post unnerves me. after leveling the vague accusation against MP and receiving a response, this very cordial concession is striking. every thought she expresses is tempered by a "but..." caveat, and it strikes me as a belabored effort to explain a rather frivolous thing. people who know Elo better than i know her might be able to lend insight here about her manner of communicating. does this post seem typical of her to any of you, specifically in terms of tone?

My "vague accusation" was just noticing MP was acting stange/different. It was no really an accusation, it was an observation.

What's wrong with "but". Do you want to lynch me b/c you don't like the way I write?

Elohcin wrote:

acrosstheaether wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I think Dragon is bad news. He's leaving himself little outs that he can use later.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p142976

Good point.

I thought this could be restated again.

okay. why? i didn't like "good point" and i don't like this either. it's okay to be suspicious of someone, and it's okay to agree with a case presented by another player. but i need to know why those stances are being taken. such vague plantings of flags in camps is inherently suspicious to me.

I restated it for emphasis. I thought it was obvious.

Elohcin wrote:I don't know about you, but I think Elo is civ civ civ hehe

Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.

i like the distinct stances, but i still don't really know why these reads exist. what makes you feel the way you feel about these players?

It was late. I was tired and ready for bed. You all had exhausted me with your "yay game" excitement. I would have pursued a more thorough explanation the next day if MP hasn't blown up and cause me to focus solely on him.

overall i read Elo as more scum than town.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Honestly I don't see much point in analysing why mafia killed someone.

Agreed.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
you don't think a dead serial killer would be worth that risk?

I think adam smith can be real helpful role to help catch baddies. I mean if you want to just catch one indy and lose the most helpful info role the civs have then poor old george will be on his own.

I agree with this as well. The Serial Killer would most likely want to rid himself of mafia first so he can be the only killer, right? So...let him be until mafia is gone, then figure out who he is and lynch him.

TinyBubbles wrote: Anyway, I'm just gonna go ahead and Vote Elohcin. I'm assuming you're not a lying dirty wolf in sheep's clothing misleading me; apart from Bass I don't really know who else to vote for and don't really want to spend more time on it. Elohcin if you're innocent i'm TRULY SORRY and to everyone else, please don't bandwagon. I don't want to be responsible for lynching an innocent. That's probably what got Golden killed.

Y'all are crazy if you think TinyBubbles actually gave a reason for voting me here.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh look, I died early again.

I think we set a collective record for our shortest combined time in game. and that was already looooooow.

There should be an award for this at the end of the year

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sanmateo wrote:i already said this a few times tho, are yall skipping over my posts? people do that in rym and i hate it

i think we noobs are going to have to scream a little louder to ensure our contributions are noticed. i don't think my stuff is getting read by most others either.

I'm not skipping posts. I know what its like to feel ignored. I thought people were skipping my posts/ignoring me b/c I would say things and make cases and no one would banter with me or even respond. One time I threw a tiny fit about it and one of the players told me something like, "we don't have to respond to take what you say into consideration." I thought it was a little mean, it is what it is. The only time people ever really respond to me is when they think something I said was suspicious. That's why I generally stay quiet in Mafia, I observe a lot and talk a little. But this game was different. Everyone was talking SO much on Day 0 and I felt if I were quiet I would be immediately suspected. The newbs were all trying to get the rest of us to talk talk talk. SO I talked. It was fun until I nonchalantly said that Epi could be on to something and MP threw a FIT! I stand by what I say about Epi. He has caught baddies from deciphering lies about real life. I also said that I have had players pull one over on my b/c they lied about real life. AND, I said that I have been encouraged to lie about real life in order to help myself as a baddie. I said I will not do it, I think its low. And then I said, with Epi COULD BE, MIGHT BE, POSSIBLY MAY BE on to something. THEN......Sockie over there BLOWS UP! - Throws a monstrous FIT about me saying that Epi could be on to something. THAT is when I said, good gracious man, your emotional outburst is now what's making me wonder about you. And MP turned that around to say that his defense made me WAY MORE SUSPICIOUS of him than I was before. I wasn't even suspicious of him from what Epi said. I just said Epi might be on to something. It was his reaction that made me think, "wow, maybe Epi is actually right." I cannot believe that my words, "I think Epi could be onto something" would get everyone to eye ME? Have none of you ever said anything to gauge a reaction? WOO-WEE did I get a reaction!!! And y'all are looking at ME? I just don't get it.
MP also made stuff up about my vote, told a lie. He said that I posted that I thought Golden was CIV! Then he later quote a post from me where I say Golden is my #2 suspect. He said that I never had an opinion on anyone but him, but then he quoted a post where I mention several names and what I think about them.

Now, I am not saying MP is bad. I am not sure of his allignment. But I AM saying he is making up a bunch of crap about me and that he reacted in a very crazy manner to my post that was not even confrontational AT ALL.

I'm not fully caught up, but I am posting this now and will read more and post more.

Interesting evening. RIP Epi and MM.

@DDL, I bet Mafia is a lot easier when you know whose been killed.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: This guy is a player who does not play like a townie. Ever. If he is mafia, he is scummy. If he is town, he is scummy. No matter what, he will play in a way that makes him seen suspicious. He will spend a lot of energy going in directions that make no sense and seem to be more for trolling than anything, he won't bother to justify his votes in a way that others would find acceptable... he just gives no fucks, about anything, ever.

This is the kind of guy that makes it tempting to policy lynch early. I can't justify a player like this living long. The next day phase is pretty much guaranteed to have a good part of its discussion on him, and if we allow it he is going to push it in useless directions again. We need to either figure him out soon or kill him. Or both.

This is 100% accurate.

That said, he has changed up his approach to the game considerably over time, and continues to do so, but it still generally follows your description.

This makes me think DDL is bad, actually. (He is somewhat right about Epi's game play. But, I think Epi enjoys playing civ too.) I think DDL is taking advantage of Epi's playstyle in order to lynch a civ.

linki...GOLDEN was my number two suspect and I voted him. You just said a couple posts up that I didn't have my eye on Golden and then voted for him. So for you and for whoever say my vote for golden was weird...

MP, think about it. DO you think I would agree with Epi in the thread about you if I were Mafia with him? No way. I would steer clear of that.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think Epi's style is inherently suspicious. It think the points he's made have consistently been unfair and misleading. And his vote was really bad. He's a lot like old Mac for you RYMers.

Also, I can't emphasize this enough.

I'm certain that Epi is mafia.

We haven't seen an Elo and Epi mafia duo since Champions '13, yeah? About time we saw it again, I suppose.

I am not a baddie. I am not on a team with Epi. And MP, there was another player (I think Golden) who said he was wary of me b/c I had opinions on ALL the players. SO which was it? Only you, or all the players?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Wow, Blue's Clues. I used to watch that like... 15 years ago?

I feel so old. Hey Epi! "HOME! HOME" Our son watched it when he was like 7-8 months old. We we horrible parents in that he would wake up at 5am every morning. So, we kept a pack-n-play full of toys in the living room and would turn on Blues Clues or Baby Einstein and then we would lay back down for just a little more sleep. There was one episode of Blues Clues, Simon would clap his hands and say, "HOME, HOME" with Steve. Simon will be eight in July.

Now. I know many of you are looking at me for tomorrow's lynch. I really don't know how to depend myself b/c I am getting very vague answers as to why I am suspicious. Please, someone (other than MP), as the new day begins, if you are still looking to vote me, just plainly and clearly tell me what I did wrong so I can defend myself. I say someone other than MP, b/c I have heard him rant and rave about me enough already and I think his emotional crazies are getting you all in an uproar about me and I am wondering if you are just going off of that or if you have your own true reasons. Reread me if you must. We will only be on Day 2, there shouldn't be much. But please, give me something to defend against. I don't want to hear my vote was weird or I believed Epi about MP lies. Why was my vote weird? I never said I believed Epi for sure, I said he may be on to something b/c I have experienced similar circumstances. Anyway....if you are going to lynch me, you can at least help me out by telling me WHY?

Linki BR

RIP Golden. Sorry to vote you out so soon again as civ.

I don't know what to say. But I am not bad.

And still, can someone please tell me WHY you want to lynch me? B/c I know Epi has caught baddies lying about RL? B/c I said Epi COULD BE, MIGHT BE onto something with MP? B/c I said MPs emotional outburst makes me question him?

Well, I am not bad. So you won't be happy with the result. Unless you are bad.

that's why I didn't vote you yet. nwo I must get on this grilled cheese :P Suggestions for a netflix movie to watch with the kids after dinner?

But I didn;t say I was WAY more suspicious of you. I said Epi COULD be on to something.

I have seen people lie about RL. I have seen Epi catch them in lies about RL and be bad. Heck, I have caught people in lies about RL who were bad. Umm......I can't think of her name atm. Your friends from school, accountant, she lied to me about her kid being sick and she had to take care of him so she could go an converse with her baddie team on how to handle talking with me. Players do it....you could be to. You may not be. I said Epi COULD, MAY, MIGHT BE on to something.

linki with MP - what about my most recent post (not counting this one) makes me go from green ALLLLL the way to red on your list? What did I say? Was it the fact that I said I have experience baddie lies about RL before? Was it that I said your emotional response made me wonder? Was it that I said I will give you the benefit of the doubt to cool down so I can hear from a rational MP tomorrow? What was it? Tell me, please.

Hey I can vouch for Epi being at work til 8pm. We are having grilled cheese and tomato soup for dinner b/c of it

LINKI LINKI LINKI

MovingPictures07 wrote:And here comes Elo with a vote for Golden, despite the fact that her suspicion of ME increased.

Elo falls way down the list for me.

Seriously dude? So what if I voted for you? Would I stay green? Did you even read my post?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
it's important i think that MP has ranked DDL as his #1 town read (more than once). he hasn't just defended DDL blankly with very vague comments like Bass and others did. he made a bold Day 1 assertion that the thread's Public Enemy #1 was his biggest town read. and those of you who criticized MP for raising the possibility of a WIFOM gambit re: G-Man, i ask this:

what does a mafia MP07 gain from taking this strong town stance on DDL throughout this phase? it's an important distinction -- vague or soft defenses are legitimately suspicious, but MP's hasn't been that at all. one might assert that he is protecting a mafia team mate, but then the theory immediately becomes more far-fetched (because two players are being called mafia together before either of them has flipped). if someone feels MP OR DDL is mafia, then that player must grant that a mafia MP would then be making every effort to prevent the lynch of a townie on Day 1. and that would be definitive WIFOM.

Maybe the "new MP" is the kind of player that unreservedly defends his partners on day 1 instead of throwing them under the bus on day 1 like he used to

I have seen Epi catch people on timing issues/RL lies before. I have seen players lie to me about RL issues and lie to the thread about RL issues. IN BTSC in other games, I have been encouraged to lie about RL issues in order to make myself appear more civ. I do think that is wrong. Unlike Epi, I will bring up RL. I can't separate it so easily. I love my family, my kids, and I want to share them with whoever will care to listen. BUT, I will not lie about them or my RL issues in order to appear more civ. Okay...off my soap box. So I do think Epi could be on to something. And b/c of that, maybe I was onto something too with MP's cheerful attitude. Maybe he was very excited to be a baddie in his first game back on the syndicate

What in the fucking world gives you reason to believe I'm lying about my RL and that no one else is?

I WAS TALKING WITH MY FIANCE AND EATING. I DON'T LIVE ON THE SITE.

I am not fabricating anything about DDL. I don't fucking understand this.

I never lie about RL. EVER.

Shoot dawg! I don't remember calling you a liar MP. I just said Epi may be on to something. I said I have SEEN people lie about RL before and ask me to do the same.

If anything really gives me a suspicion of you its the way you reacted to my post.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Third, and most importantly, Roger Rabbit I relied heavily on RL as a last resort defense against an onslaught of accusations, never prompted. Here, I responded to something you said, and you inquired why it took me 20 minutes to respond. I therefore asked your question, which inevitably relied on RL, to provide context. I'm not relying on RL aggressively as a defense. These are two completely different circumstances that I can't believe you don't recognize. Either you recognize it and you're trying to get me riled up or you don't recognize it and you're trying to get an easy lynch out of me, which every regular on this site knows could happen.

This is exactly how I read epi's line of questioning. I know MP has used emotional blackmail against people in the recent past.

And, it's not getting any better this morning.

I feel I need to hold my vote for now, but Epi is certainly my preferred vote.

There was ONE time I made this big dramatic, emotional scene when people started eyeing me. It was SOOOO fun! I was laughing with my team BTS and it worked! I didn't get lynched. I don't remember if that was a game I won, but I think it was.

Anyway....all this to say that MP's emotional crazies don't help him look better. But I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for today so he can calm down and I can be a better judge of his alignment tomorrow. I will vote Golden today. I feel kind of bad doing so b/c I voted him early in the last game I played with him and he was my "mafia" husband I needed to find and gain BTSC with. And I think he would have been a very cool BTSC partner. I hate it b/c if I knew I had until the end of night to submit a name, I would have picked him as he was suspicious of me, but instead I picked another and got played the whole game. Oh how different that game could have been Golden if only I knew I had to the end of the night period. I blame Epi for not being clear

fingersplints wrote:Gman thinks Elo should hit Epi with that paddle? :O

We're not really into that stuff :P

Also, I know we are talking ELO, but I think this song fits me better

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:this might be called a slight backtrack. he doesn't understand TH's methods but grants some degree of validity to the assertion that he is off-meta in this game. i wouldn't know either way about his meta. this is a very minor ping if a ping at all though.

Off-perception of my meta. I don't think the idea that I'm off-meta is accurate, but I can at least understand that people find the games when I'm loudest most memorable, and I don't think genuinely perceiving me that way is unusual.

I'm glad to see TH is here. I want him to respond to some of the points I've made.

I know I have only played one game with you, but I think you are acting more reserved this game for sure. And, I do like TH's case on you so far.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
it's important i think that MP has ranked DDL as his #1 town read (more than once). he hasn't just defended DDL blankly with very vague comments like Bass and others did. he made a bold Day 1 assertion that the thread's Public Enemy #1 was his biggest town read. and those of you who criticized MP for raising the possibility of a WIFOM gambit re: G-Man, i ask this:

what does a mafia MP07 gain from taking this strong town stance on DDL throughout this phase? it's an important distinction -- vague or soft defenses are legitimately suspicious, but MP's hasn't been that at all. one might assert that he is protecting a mafia team mate, but then the theory immediately becomes more far-fetched (because two players are being called mafia together before either of them has flipped). if someone feels MP OR DDL is mafia, then that player must grant that a mafia MP would then be making every effort to prevent the lynch of a townie on Day 1. and that would be definitive WIFOM.

Maybe the "new MP" is the kind of player that unreservedly defends his partners on day 1 instead of throwing them under the bus on day 1 like he used to

I have seen Epi catch people on timing issues/RL lies before. I have seen players lie to me about RL issues and lie to the thread about RL issues. IN BTSC in other games, I have been encouraged to lie about RL issues in order to make myself appear more civ. I do think that is wrong. Unlike Epi, I will bring up RL. I can't separate it so easily. I love my family, my kids, and I want to share them with whoever will care to listen. BUT, I will not lie about them or my RL issues in order to appear more civ. Okay...off my soap box. So I do think Epi could be on to something. And b/c of that, maybe I was onto something too with MP's cheerful attitude. Maybe he was very excited to be a baddie in his first game back on the syndicate

Black Rock wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to vote either DDL or MP at this juncture.

However, I would like to know

what the other players are thinking about these two.

I think you shanked MP.

I actually think he could be bad, but I'm not going to vote for him after that. I think I'll likely vote for you, your attitude reminds me a lot of the way you took to Blindfaeth in keeler.

RL stuff should be off limits as far as gameplay goes.

I don't understand. You think MP is bad but won't vote for him because Epi called him a liar?

And then that last quote there. I think I would be okay voting Golden or MP today.

Sloonei wrote: Most of this site's regulars have been, unfortunately, blending together for me so far, though I'm starting to get better at distinguishing y'all individually. I'm sure you're all having the same trouble with us newbies. It's hard to learn new names and personalities while also trying to decide which of those are honest or not. BUT right now I think my top suspects are Bass_the_Clever, Elohcin, and Golden (roughly in that order), but nothing feels too firm at the moment.

You say this, but you give no reasons as to why you think I could be bad. I understand how you can be having a hard time distinguishing between those of us that are new to you, but I think it is telling that you are only eyeing those of us that are new to you. What I am saying is.....I think you are jumping the gun. I think you are eyeing us just b/c you don't know. I encourage you to take your time and read more of what I have to say before throwing my name into the mix just b/c you don't know me. FWIW, this does not make me eye you.

Golden wrote:Pastor resigned, more preaching.

Expository or topical, just curious?

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:For example, I would say Epi is a selfish player. He will act as he wishes no mater what others think.

Deconstruct this please.

Selfishness = Acting as one wishes no matter what others think

Is that really selfishness?

Don't you act the way you want to regardless of what others think? Or do you play Mafia constantly worried what others will think?

I suppose you are right to an extant. But when I feel I have found players that I can trust are civ, I will try to be considerate. And, if I am bad, I will pretend to be considerate :P I don't see you doing that very much. And I chose the word selfish b/c its all I could think of at the time. I am no English teacher. And this is so true...

Sloonei wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote: I tried to elaborate in my first post but I just can't seem to put my finger on it. It just doesn't seem like MP behavior. I've seen his baddie game as a teammate and not as a teammate. I've seen his civ game as well. I am not saying I am even up to 80% sure he is bad, but I do know his behavior seems odd to me and I will be watching him as this game progresses. As for the rest of you who are talking a lot, this is my first game with you. I am going to need more hard core evidence (like voting records) before I convince myself one of you are bad.

Linki: MP, you do talk everything to death, yes But I've never seen you so helpful and supportive of other players. You are kind of a selfish player, does that make sense? Now, not as selfish a player as Epi , but still.

In the first paragraph, you say you can't put your finger on it.

In the second, you say it's because you've never seen me so helpful and supportive of other players.

I have many questions:
1) Which is it? You can't put your finger on it or because you've never seen me so helpful and supportive?
2) If it is the latter, how does that make me bad?
3) I'm really kind of shocked you describe me as a selfish player (don't worry, I'm not offended) because I feel like I try to get discussion going as much as I can. Can you elaborate on what you mean exactly perhaps? I don't really understand.
4) How has my play changed? Just the helpful and supportive? In what ways am I being helpful and supportive any more than usual?

I split your post up since I want to respond to your question in a separate thought.

This is something I want a response to. I could see this sort of little inconsistency in a post being a scum-tell.

I also looked through sanmateo's posts to try to grasp where the early suspicion is coming from and I don't see it. I came out of it liking his casing of DDL more than my own and at the moment my imaginary vote is on the Dragon.

MP called it an inconsistency. Am I not allowed to look at a players behavior which is inconsistent from how I've always seen him play and not wonder - waver on what his alignment could be and why he is acting as he is?

acrosstheaether wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I think Dragon is bad news. He's leaving himself little outs that he can use later.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p142976

Good point.

I thought this could be restated again.


MM, I have found your posts insightful, thank you.


Splints, I am glad to see I am not the only one who sees MP's new-found cheerfulness a bit odd.

Golden wrote:
In fact, I'd suggest that what Jay has experienced is a culture in which mostly the baddies try to look good. In contrast, I think the practice that has developed more strongly here (and at the contributing sites that make up 'here') is that the civilians try to look a bit bad, to avoid being NKed.

I agree with this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We've seen a little more from other players now. What do you folks think of Elo, Epi, Golden, G-Man, etc...?

I'll answer myself shortly.

I don't know about you, but I think Elo is civ civ civ hehe

Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.

hit submit*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:could you tell me what is meant by "linki", mate?

I'll let MP answer

Nah, its when you kit submit and there is another post that's been submitted while you were writing your post.

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, Epi is an English teacher, and the Adverb suspicion is one that he commonly holds throughout many games. I don't think it indicates mafia behavior from him, more of just an opinion.

thank you. i'll continue failing to capitalize a single thing too.

Oh, you'll fail to capitalize, all right.

is it too early in the game to fall in love?

Who you fallin' in love with?

alright....bedtime for me. I am hoping I don't have 10 pages to catch up on when I wake up

linki: he had to answer every question that any of the new-to-the-syndicates asked - even the ones directly asked to the hosts.

linki with MP. I like your answers They do make me feel better. When I said I couldn't put my finger on it, its b/c I felt it could go either way. You seem to be a much more cheerful player and that scared me a bit, sorry. But I thought, maybe it's just b/c we have new players. But then I remembered that you took some time away from Mafia (or now I know you took time away from the syndicate) and I thought....maybe his supportive, helpful, cheerful behavior can be explained by him being excited to be back playing again. And, I think that must be it. When I called you a selfish player I didn't mean anything mean by it Thank you for not finding offense. You're a stand-up dude. For example, I would say Epi is a selfish player. He will act as he wishes no mater what others think. You were like that too imo, just not AS selfish as Epi. Does that make sense?

NOW, I am off to bed.

AHH, linki linki linki. Hey G, you know peewee is on netflix? Haha, my kids find it pretty hilarious

sanmateo wrote:here is mp07's post history from the game he played in rym: https://rateyourmusic.com/board_message ... 20&start=0

would you say it is different to his meta now or to his meta on this site? i'm trying to understand where yall come from

Doesn't sound like the same MP to me. Short, to the point posts.

Sloonei wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I see that DDL thinks all those who've been posting tonight look like town. I disagree, but not only that, I highly doubt that none of the mafia are talking. I just can't see that being the case. Honestly, I see MP's over-helpful behavior as suspicious. I know we have a lot of new players and he wants to be helpful, but there's just something fishy about it.

Is this "something fishy" something you could elaborate on, or is it nothing more than an inkling at the moment?

I tried to elaborate in my first post but I just can't seem to put my finger on it. It just doesn't seem like MP behavior. I've seen his baddie game as a teammate and not as a teammate. I've seen his civ game as well. I am not saying I am even up to 80% sure he is bad, but I do know his behavior seems odd to me and I will be watching him as this game progresses. As for the rest of you who are talking a lot, this is my first game with you. I am going to need more hard core evidence (like voting records) before I convince myself one of you are bad.


Linki: MP, you do talk everything to death, yes But I've never seen you so helpful and supportive of other players. You are kind of a selfish player, does that make sense? Now, not as selfish a player as Epi , but still. The only thing holding me back from really thinking you are bad is the fact that there are a lot of new players and maybe that has changed your play a bit. I have a question for you....and you might not be able to answer with the sock game going on, but.....I know you took a bit of a sabbatical from Mafia. Is this your first game back in a while?

Good night the LINKI. I think Jay may be done for

I see that DDL thinks all those who've been posting tonight look like town. I disagree, but not only that, I highly doubt that none of the mafia are talking. I just can't see that being the case. Honestly, I see MP's over-helpful behavior as suspicious. I know we have a lot of new players and he wants to be helpful, but there's just something fishy about it.

Oh no....another long poster like MP?

All my economics teacher talked about was how her and her friends partied in college. She said her friend got so drunk one times she peed in the dorm hallway. This story was one of the many that helped me to decide to go to a private college instead of a university. Too bad the private college was worse in other ways. :/

TinyBubbles wrote:For the poll I was torn between social science and a branch of philosophy, it seems to be both. I voted philosophy because modern economics at least is very abstract.

Also love these smilies

Your names makes me think of this....


Linki @ Jay - oh no. I don't mind players using Day 0 to go after one another. It's just not common here so far. But, we have a lot of new friends now which my change things. I do not fear change

Yay Game! I am excited to be in a Russ/Llama game. I liked both of my roles...can't decided which I like/ed better. :P

Hey JimmyJay! Yeah, we usually don't start accusing until Day 1