The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, I promise, I owe you an in-person apology in two weeks.

I know that's right.

So just in case I suffer death tonight, I want to get my thoughts out there. I types this post up early this morning. Please read MP for yourselves as well and see if you see what I see. I really think it he may be the last Inmate.
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MP - To answer your question, I don't know how many times I have to tell you all, I was not in my right mind on the eveing of Day 3. I had VERY little sleep the night before and I was so very giddy and tired. Everything was hilarious to me at the time. The fact that you keep harping on it, gives me reason to think you're bad. That, along with DDL's thoughts on your EoD behavior, has caused me to want to reread you. First, DDL's thoughts on you.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Every time you ask a player A, with 30 minutes left in the poll, what they think of player B, despite the fact neither player A or player B are getting any votes in the poll, I can't help but think you are doing that just to make it look like you're doing something when you aren't.

and

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No, I'm not. I've watched two EOD's where MP keeps flip-flopping around literally everybody while asking random "what do you think about X" questions before finally settling down for a vote that did not change anything in the lynch.

To elaborate on that, I do feel like an hour or so before EoD you've been getting very pushy and flip-flopping. At EoD 3, you even said

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm switching gears. I will discuss DH and others more after EoD. We're quickly running out of time.
For now, I ONLY want to discuss these players:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Here are all of the players that I'm currently considering for my vote, from least to most likely:
G-Man
Metalmarsh89
LoRab
Cookie
Dragon D. Luffy
espers

Thoughts? Go. Anything.

I did respond to that at the time. It pinged me that you were not even interested in talking about anyone but YOUR suspects and I said as much. This showed me that you were trying to manipulate the thread. A great Mafia tactic is to make the civilians think there are only a few options to pick from when it comes to the lynch. I think that is what you were trying to do here. AND, I think you threw espers in there to try make yourself look good, but I don't think you ever intended us to really vote for him. I think ika replacing espers sounded like a breath of fresh air to you but when he turned out to be an asshat, you panicked.
After ika replaced espers, you tell the thread that you decide voting espers is NOT best, but that Russ is now your new top suspect.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm incredibly tempted to vote for Russ right now. He's playing the low-posting, insightful additional commentary, never shaking any trees, never committing too much, type of blendy mafia game. His inconsistencies regarding me and Elo and his lack of explanations for his reads that he's been arbitrarily throwing out are also notable.
I also believe we'll gain insight on espers / ika, as well as Elo, if Russ were to flip mafia or civilian, since Russ voiced suspicion of both of those players, only to back off completely.

However, you sneak in that a Russ lynch will give up insight on espers/ika which helps you still look good and apease the civ population.
Then as ika and I are going back and forth about his apathy towards the game of mafia, MP does not even state his opinion but only asks:

MovingPictures07 wrote: What do you folks think of these posts by ika (espers)?

When have you all known MP NOT to give an opinion and ONLY to ask others what they think. This is not like a civ MP. He wanted to get everyone else's reaction to ika so he could know how to play the situation and hopefully get out of lynching his newly replaced teammate.
So as he sees that people are starting to vote for espers/ika he says this.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand why everyone is jumping on ika for the sportsmanship post.

Here is MP's Day 4 Rainbow list @ 9:18 pm by the way.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Updated list of the players that I'm currently considering for my D4 vote, from least to most likely:
Elohcin
LoRab
Cookie
espers / ika
Russtifinko

Then at 9:28pm, TEN MINUTES LATER he says he is most likely to vote COOKIE! -his third option from 10 minutes prior.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:MP, then vote. DDL does make a point. Most people have voted already, and right now it's looking espers is getting lynched. What are you going to do

Why would I not wait until the last possible minute to cast my vote?
I'm still mulling over all of the options, but I'm almost certainly going to vote for Cookie. But I don't know.
Allow me to cast my vote on my own terms, please.

Then after espers/ika is lynched, Russ isn't even on him rainbow list anymore.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Here is my updated half-Rainbow List:
Elohcin
G-Man
TinyBubbles / Bass_the_Clever
LoRab
Metalmarsh89
Dragon D. Luffy
Cookie

And then MP is trying to get an idea of who he should kill since his teammates are dead.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I just want to express my opinion that I think it might be best if players at least left some indication of what they're thinking before Night 4 ends. If you feel comfortable doing so closer to end of Night 4, that's fine, but we have no idea who's going to die tonight, and I think it's best that no one die with their thoughts.

I am going to use the night to evaluate players and votes, but I have one particular person I am really convinced is the last mafia. I will share my thoughts and answer all questions during the day.

Russtifinko wrote:BOOM! Good job team! 2 baddies down.

This should've happened a day ago, which is a bummer. A number of people could've and should've changed that, probably with me at the top of the list. Better late than never, I guess.

Linki: Elo, do you mean you suspect MP more or less after that result? It wasn't clear to me from your post.

more. Honestly I hadn;t suspected him at all and probably wouldn't have if DDL hasn't brought up his thoughts on him.

IF MP is bad, I will be blown away. He's played a good baddie game. But, DDL does make some good points about his EoD behavior and his vote doesn't look so good today. I will be taking a good look at everyone and the voting records over the next 47 hours.

Yeah baby! Boo you ika.

G-Man wrote:Silk Spectre's apartment maybe? That was a Night 0 option.

What up G? What was the bedtime story this evening?

What did you vote for MM? I think I may have missed your reasoning.

I agree with this. I still have my eye on cookie too.

ika/espers that is

ika wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
I'm not voting ika today. Call me frivolous, but I want to have some sportsmanship. I wanna give the guy one day, and one vote, to judge him. Day 5 I'll judge him normally, though.

No, dont do that. that shit, if you think im scummy or evil or whatever you vote it. Dont give me a pass for sportmanship. As much as i understand it, i hate it when its imposed on me.

Be a man and back them up

Sportsmanship:ethical, appropriate, polite and fair behavior while participating in a game or athletic event.

Why show ika sportsmanship when he isn't showing any to us. I am voting ika.

ika wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

G-Man wrote:

ika wrote:so im not going to read anything and going to go from here.

anything i should know offhand?

Intriguing- I took that same stance when I subbed into BoB. I was a baddie.

Defend yourself and the posts & votes of your predecessor in 500 words or less. You have three hours. Grammar counts for half of your final grade.

1)I would rather you not sub in than sub in a half-ass it.
2)And are you are in eight games? When do you have time to work, eat, or poop?
3)I like G-Man's response to ika here. I too look forward to what he/she has to say.

1) shame, its a common thing on most other sites i play on.
2) i wrok tommorwo 6-30 in more to 7 in afternoon theng o to poker and get drunk.
other times i just check during breaks or when im not busy. i poop and play at same time
3) i do too

Elohcin wrote: 1)Why are you playing around?
2)If you are civ, wouldn't you be working hard to give us your opinion on who you think is bad or at least reading through espers to help defend yourself.
3)Or are you in so many games that you don't give a damn? If so, why replace in?

1) im not, im interacting with players, you dont realize that i play very differently then how most do. i gain reads based on interactions.
2) theory talk: my idea of civ play is to not care about ones self image. i have no reason to defend myself over anything. especially on predictor cus i can not speak for their actions. right now im watching whats going on now and waiting. also by playing in such manner if gets people to talk to me
3) nope, 99% of the time i will not get a damn about being suspected. if you need reason i can link you to my past. and trust me its not fun

I hope you can take this as nicely as possible. But, I don't like your style. I don't like the way you break up my post into 1), 2), and 3). Its called a quote for a reason. You really shouldn't mess with it by adding or omitting parts. It just makes it too easy to fuck with the game. Also, when I asked i you just don't give a damn, I was not talking about being suspected. That's obvious. I was talking about giving a dam about the game in general and about the players you are playing with. If you are civ, you ought to give a damn about us and work hard to help us. If you are bad, you ought to give a damn about your teammates and work hard to win with them. Why even play Mafia if this is how you are going to act?

linki: My ISO from MP which I will read in a sec.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

is ika m or f

ill tell you if you tell me

Dx

(uhm meaning m)

m here too.

how are you?

Why are you playing around? If you are civ, wouldn't you be working hard to give us your opinion on who you think is bad or at least reading through espers to help defend yourself. Or are you in so many games that you don't give a damn? If so, why replace in?

linki: sorry if I did the list backwards?

linki again. Oh MP. I was just messin' with you Day 3. Looking back I feel bad about it. But I was not in my right mind at the time (even though I don't drink).

G-Man wrote:

ika wrote:so im not going to read anything and going to go from here.

anything i should know offhand?

Intriguing- I took that same stance when I subbed into BoB. I was a baddie.

Defend yourself and the posts & votes of your predecessor in 500 words or less. You have three hours. Grammar counts for half of your final grade.

I don't know ika, but this doesn't seem like a civilian strategy at all. I would rather you not sub in than sub in a half-ass it. And are you are in eight games? When do you have time to work, eat, or poop? I like G-Man's response to ika here. I too look forward to what he/she has to say.

Ironically, I was thinking about meeting you halfway as well MP and making my own (half) rainbow list. And then I read that you decided to compromise too:) After ika's first posts in the game along with what espers left behind, and then with Cookie all of a sudden getting involved after being suspected and not being confused anymore, this is my list.

Cookie
ika/espers
Lorab
MM
Russ

I don't think I suspect G-Man much anymore. Too many others have risen above him in baddie behaviors.

@Rico...I don't lurk. I leave Mafia up and I don't hide my status. I have done school with the kids, went to walmart, worked out, and taken the kids in the pool today and I have been ON this whole time. I have actually been reading the thread for the past few hours just here and there. In the time I have been back and forth reading, I have showered, bathed children, made afternoon snacks, did the dishes, and built a spiderman puzzle. I'm super woman.

So I got this confusing info PM. I know I cannot say what it said but I worked damn hard to get the info by doing a stupid maze and I didn't even understand the info.

I decided to reread Lorab to see what all the fuss is about and these particular quotes caught my eye.

LoRab wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

LoRab wrote:I'm of 2 minds with the GMan stuff.

On the one hand, back in the day (when GMan was a regular) on LP/Piano, lie detector roles and statements became a thing and how people phrase statements and asking everyone to make "An LD Statement" became something of a controversy. In addition/as a result, in many games, "I am a civie" wasn't a detectable statement, so people would often not use it and got in the habit of not just saying that.

That being said, the way he phrased it doesn't sound like a way a civie would describe themselves, even with phrasing it differently. What he posted earlier sounds like something that is a baddie trying to describe themselves with a true statement on a technicality (like, if they don't have a power that can be used to harm a civie, they technically aren't a threat). And his explanation doesn't ring so true to me.

There are also roles with secrets, and we don't know how those statements might have an impact on an LD role. He could have been waiting for clarification on how a statement of "I am a civie" would show up. on G Man. Leaning towards a vote in that direction.

Do you think a scum player would voluntarily leave such an honest statement in the thread like that? It's incredibly easy for a baddie to simply say "I'm not bad", and I have a hars time believing that G-man's conscience would have gotten to him that much, if that is what you are saying in part.

Do you have your eye on anyone other than G-man?

I think a baddie would possibly do that, yes. When there is a lie detector, baddies do all sorts of things in posts in order to try to avoid outright lying while making themselves seem like they're claiming to be civ. I've seen it happen before, especially when they've been called out for phrasing things oddly.

What doesn't make sense is that saying "I am civ" might be seen as role claiming. That just doesn't make sense to me.

LoRab wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Sloonei wrote:If you think G-man phrased his post oddly because of he was wary of the lie detector, does hos exact wording mean anything to you? He does not "pose a threat to the civvies." Does that strike you as the sort of thing scum would say to avoid being caught by a lie detector.
His rationale about not claiming civ due to role claim restrictions does seem a bit odd, i'll give you that.
And I'll also ask for more suspects again. Who besides G-man are you looking at, LoRab?

"Does not pose a threat to the civies" does seem like the sort of thing a baddie would say, yes. Especially if they don't have a power that doesn't have a direct, negative impact on others.

And, at this point, no one else is standing out to me. I'm often a 1 suspect at a time kind of gal. Also, day 1, so not much to go on.

Does this mean your mind and vote are set on G-man today?

I wouldn't say set, but if nothing else comes up and he doesn't say something to convince me, that is likely where I will vote, yes.

Also, as to another post you made (that I forgot to quote), if he was trying to attract the lie detector, then why do so with what is potentially an undetectable statement (a threat to civs can be a matter of opinion as to what that means)...unless you were trying to make sure that a teammate wasn't LD-ed?

I really think that Lorab could be one of the last two baddies.


But, then I am torn b/c she did vote G-Man Day 1 and I also think it is a possibility that G-Man is one of the last two baddies. Heck, it could be G-Man and Cookie. It would explain her sense of being lost b/c G-Man has been so busy and has to be sneaky with his Mafia mistress.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Listen, people drunk post all the time and no one gives a shit. I come in tired and giddy and I go from looking civ to definitely one of the last baddies. Shit. Ah well. Lynch me next then. Whatever.

What does this have to do with drunk posting?

You have no suspects, then cast a vote for me. You even panicked and indicated you might vote for Cookie after I seriously considered it, then you didn't.

It's practically Night 3. You're a lot of fun, Elo, but get your head into the game.

I'm sorry, you are right. I will do better. I just need some sleep tonight. Also, sorry DH. I feel like I might could have prevented your death had I not been so out of it. Please forgive me.

Listen, people drunk post all the time and no one gives a shit. I come in tired and giddy and I go from looking civ to definitely one of the last baddies. Shit. Ah well. Lynch me next then. Whatever.

*sigh* okay, I am sobering up. You guys are no fun. I am not bad y'all. Look at my voting record. I really thought I could have a little fun tonight and not be looked at b/c I have such a good voting record. . I will vote for cookie with you all on Day 4 if you guys really see her as bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:B/c you held a watergun to my head.

You've said multiple times in this game that you think I'm really civilian, yet you cast your vote for me.

I really do think you are civ. I won't let you gt lynched for real.

B/c you held a watergun to my head.

A water gun? HAHA! UH...G-Man

Wow, that was a lot of linki in 2 seconds

dun dun dun

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Well "doesn't truly care who gets lynched" sounds very Molochian to me. If you think LoRab fits the description, I'm thinking Eloh does as well.

Elo is bouncing all over the place, isn't she?

I'm having a lot of trouble understanding exactly what her rainbow list of players-with-highest-propensity-to-receive-my-vote today looks like.

Like I said. I really think we have some quiet Mafia this game.

linki: out of respect of golden I will reread DDL tomorrow.

honestly, MP, I am just so tired and everything it super hilarious right now. I really don;t know who to vote for. Many of y'all come in here drunk and post. Well, I don't drink. This is my not-enough-sleep giddiness.

remember he was bad in Guess Who. And you KNOW Epi does nto randomize roles. And he was very uncomfortable as a mafia player in Guess Who. Golden said it best. You would have to look at his in topic to find the exact post.

I can't see DDL being bad again so quickly. What are the odds? And...he is far too comfortable in the thread for me to think he is bad.

linki. Alright. I guess you are a smart cookie.

Why you be asking if someone wants to vote me?

You are too fun MP My list is G-Man and any two quiet players. Pick any. I think we have some quiet baddies today.

If I had to choose from the players you listed, Mp, I would choose espers. But, I don't necessarily think she is bad. I am really not sure. But I think you are pretty close minded to ONLY want to talk about those players.

Okay, DH. You defend yourself well. And MP, I see what you are saying about ISOs.

Cookie - Why would you find me suspicious when I tied u the vote if it was in favor of the civs?

DH went through and listed who did/said what in his posts today. It was almost like he was just throwing the info out there to see who would say what and then it would be easy for him to jump on a suspicion and not be able to be blamed for it when the lynched person turns up civ. His "ISOs" did more of stating the facts of players' gameplay than giving his own opinion. I think this could be a baddie tactic. Does that explain it any better, MP?

DharmaHelper wrote:Makes no sense Eloh.

That's what she said. Or should I say, "he said" since I am a girl? I dunno.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to hear literally every thought you're thinking about any player.

Ok this didn't sound creepy at all.

My mind goes straight to sexual things. I'm so bad.

Ricochet wrote:
I'm not deaf to Elohcin saying that being jokey relaxes her and stating time and again her reasoning for focusing on, off and then decisively on Sloonei, but I strongely feel her gameplay so far is very messy.

My gameplay is always messy. I am a horrible mafia player. Everyone knows this. But it is a heck of a lot of fun, so I play.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:My uneasiness of G-Man and LC stem from earlier on in the game and the fact that they really haven;t been present lately. I will go back and look at DH and tell you some specifics. I'm telling you though, I might as well just shut up, b/c I feel like I cannot make a post without some kind of flaw. I am misunderstanding y'all left and right, sorry.

Woah linki

Re: the bolded and underlined... You think this makes them mafia, despite their contributions?

You should never shut up. I want to hear literally every thought you're thinking about any player.

I don't think that alone makes them mafia. I think it is one reason to look at them.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
No. What I mean is that him posting ISOs hardly means anything about his alignment.

You don't think his baddie hunting is genuine?

This sums up my feelings about DH. I couldn't think of a good way to say it, but "not genuine" works well. His baddie hunting seems a bit disconnected. Does that make sense? I am so tired.

But then MP, you make some good points about cookie. I just don't know. Is she really just so new and confused? Or is she being coached and this is all an act? I hate that I am so easily persuaded. It makes being a civ VERY difficult.

My uneasiness of G-Man and LC stem from earlier on in the game and the fact that they really haven;t been present lately. I will go back and look at DH and tell you some specifics. I'm telling you though, I might as well just shut up, b/c I feel like I cannot make a post without some kind of flaw. I am misunderstanding y'all left and right, sorry.

Woah linki

DharmaHelper wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I am surprised to see you say you are looking at cookie. What do you see from her? I mean, I guess she COULD be bad and her team is telling her to play dumb and ask a lot of questions. But I really don't think that is the case.

I do agree with you on DH, MP. He has not seemed very civ today at all.

MP didn't say that.

What about me isn't reading civ to you?

MP didn't say what?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I'll go ahead and throw three out there: Cookie, DDL, and espers. Everyone that is here: Are you considering any of these candidates for your vote? Why or why not?

You're just messin' with me cause you know I had very little sleep last night and cannot think straight today.

And linki with scotty I'm tellin' ya. I am not used to staying up until 2am. But we had a heck of a lot of fun. Niju is so much fun to have around. She's single too, you know.

linki again. Yay Jules!

I am surprised to see you say you are looking at cookie. What do you see from her? I mean, I guess she COULD be bad and her team is telling her to play dumb and ask a lot of questions. But I really don't think that is the case.

I do agree with you on DH, MP. He has not seemed very civ today at all.

Shoot, I must be thinking someone else...all these new names

So, I honestly don't know who to vote for today. So many people haven't been around. Are they forgetting its a 24 hour day? LC better not come in here with that excuse again. :P

I'm still a little worried G-Man and LC may be mafia. I also wonder about Scotty for reasons others have stated.

Golden wrote:Golden waz here

I am here, MP We just finished dinner.

@ Rico, I thought you were talking about the vote when we were voting one of the four. That was the night I had an hour to catch up. You are right....the night when Sloonei was lynched, I didn;t have much time at all to catch up, but it was enough to see his responses to my posts and think he was bad for it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
If you'll notice, Golden did not have Blooper first on his rainbow list. In fact, I'm the only one that called her my top read, if I recall correctly (and I'm pretty sure about this).

It's possible the mafia are fucking with me by killing off my top reads (they killed llama N1 and Blooper N2, both of my top reads), but to automatically think that the mafia are blindly following the opinions of just ONE individual is not worth cancelling my rainbow reads. I want everyone to know everything that I'm thinking.

I hate to even say this b/c I really feel like you are civilian. But, it could be that you are Mafia and killing off your own top reads.

Ricochet wrote: 'Sticking with Elo' meant voting her for her back and forth on Sloonei, which I still found odd at that time. She even decided to go along with Sloonei with roughly 10 minutes to go, after returning for the deadline with 30 minutes to go, making it hard for me to inquire her properly in the time left.

It was actually an hour before days end and it was a sufficient amount of time to read the thread and vote. I had originally said that sloonei gave me a scummy vibe. He challenged me to reread him. I did and found nothing notably scummy in his posts when reading them separately from he thread. So, I told him I would table my thoughts on him for the day. After getting back from my day out with the family, I read his posts while I was gone and they were definitely scummy IMO. I voted him. That was it.

DharmaHelper wrote:Eloh Thoughts:

Early on, very jokey

Civ reads on Cookie/DDL/MP/Golden

Uneasy reads on G-Man/Sloonei

Backtracks on Sloonei suspicion

Returns to it as a "save herself" option

Likes MP's Scotty case

ends up voting for Sloonei

More jokey

Theory that there MUST be a baddie among the poll of four

LC jumps out to her as most suspect/fishy

Then she is "on the fence" RE:LC

Votes for MM for his self voting

As for "very jokey", I like to have fun in Mafia. I have said this over and over again. It is like my only adult interaction. I know that is sad. I already explained my back and forth on sloonei several times. As for the "four on the poll" I thought Epi put those names on there but I was corrected that another player picked them. That made more sense. Just b/c I think LC is the most suspicious of the four doesn't mean I cannot be "on the fence" about him at the same time. Once I found out that it was possible that none of the four were bad, I wasn't comfortable voting LC. I voted MM for voting himself b/c I think voting one's self is stupid.

SO I have yet to read anything past my last post which was in reference to niju being killed. Her death saddens me. She is too cool to be killed off so early. Anyway....that said, I just want to say how much I hate these rainbow lists. Find me suspicious if you want but I haven't liked them from the beginning. MP ranks Niju as his top read of civilian and then she dies. It's like saying...."hey baddies, this is the person you should kill next." I know I have picked on you a lot this game MP. I don't mean anything by it, really. Your list the just the one I found first.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
- nijuukyugou is my new top read, and I'm willing to take a strong stand. She seems consistently genuine, her hesitance to pile onto Golden today bodes well, and her vote from D1 still stands out as very strong. That said, I hope to see even more baddie hunting from her. And I still am going to continue to examine and question her intentions as much as everyone else, if not even more so, but right now I have to admit that she looks better than all the rest of you.

Okay, so I just wanted to mention that. I have to get back to school now and do a little housework and then I will catch up on everything that's been said so far today. I have a splitting headache from staying up until 2am with Epi and Niju. I am SO old! And I didn't even have one drop to drink. Epi drank beer all evening and is totally fine. I don't get it.

poor blooper.