The Syndicate

It was a lot of fun, Epi. Thank you.

Matt F wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Um the Dune film is on the TV here in a few minutes. How weird.

If Luke isn't the last Harkonnen, do you oppose the town lynching you next?

I will not be voting Mac.

Golden wrote:That is not a good sign. In terms of the game ending.

I disagree. If it was SVS that messaged Epi and asked to replace a non-participating Banana, then it may just be an SVS that wants to win with her civ team. SVS, did you inquire about replacing in?

bea wrote:oh there can be more cake for a civ win, I just wanted cake for satisfying eloh. It's a tough job afterall.

What'S that supposed to mean?

bea wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

bea wrote: rip svs.

Eloh, I would not have killed svs. Even if I were bad and even if she suspected me, her in particular I would have trouble pulling the trigger on her. For more than one reason.

I'm not Sting, but right now I'm madder at him than I was when he had those stupid "I'm the lick and you're the key" lyrics on the brand new day album. Lame Sting is lame.

More than one? Can you name a few?

I have caught up and I am voting Luke as well. Let's win this thing!

Sure! I have a huge soft spot when it comes to SVS. I have a hard time voting for her much less the idea of NKing her. When she has been bad and I've been civ, I've literally said bts "We need to kill svs before she catches the baddie stink on me, but I just can't." I've NKed my own husband. SVS - nope. I can't do it. That "I just can't pull the trigger on SVS" has morphed as I've become a more veteran player. Frankly as a baddie, I'm not going to kill her because it's far more satisfying to me and more challenging to me to trick her. When I'm bad and SVS is civ, I'd MUCH rather get through the game and have her say "Wow, I totally believe you the whole time," rather than "Of course you NKed me before I saw you were bad." While I have yet to do this succesfully, it's still my goal when Im in that situation. F inally, she saw I was the civ I am. She defended me. HARD. I get WIFOM, but you KNOW me Eloh - you've BEEN bad with me- do you really really think I would have killed SVS when she was my biggest defender?

Even though you only really gave two reasons :P (b/c you'd rather trick her if you were bad and b/c she saw you as civ and defended you as such), you have satisfied me.

bea wrote: rip svs.

Eloh, I would not have killed svs. Even if I were bad and even if she suspected me, her in particular I would have trouble pulling the trigger on her. For more than one reason.

I'm not Sting, but right now I'm madder at him than I was when he had those stupid "I'm the lick and you're the key" lyrics on the brand new day album. Lame Sting is lame.

More than one? Can you name a few?

I have caught up and I am voting Luke as well. Let's win this thing!

Golden wrote:Eloh, if you think there could be 5 Atriedes alive, then it throws everything off, so my list may as well be ignored.

You said at least 4 the day sig was lynched as four people seemed to be forced to vote sig. I say 5, yes.

Golden wrote:Mac's good, but despite his first 17 posts being on point

If we do not lynch luke tomorrow, we will not be lynching a harkonnen. Unless svs is wrong about bea. I'm going to have a second look at bea tomorrow.

House Atriedes

Mac
SVS
Matt
Golden
Draconus
Black Rock
Zebra 1.0

I believe those in green are correct plus one other.

Golden wrote:I will say, I just checked and it does say banana last visited yesterday.

It's slightly tricky if banana isn't posting or appearing to be playing in any way but is still actually present.

Could be the case. Is banana playing any other games? But....do you think Bea would kill SVS to throw us off or her? Its something I can see myself doing if I were a baddie Bea.

I don;t believe so.

Yes, but Floyd is not in the 5 that I was thinking. Floyd clearly vote sig to save himself.

Golden wrote:SVS, I'm not sure why you are so determined. You yourself have said 'results can be falsified', so why do you feel so strongly?

@eloh - knowing floyd was not atriedes... and with seven atriedes alive at the start.... and with only zebra 1.0, BR, Draconus dead.

That means at least 4 Atriedes still had to be alive. At least four.

I am guessing five

Golden wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Golden you have me in the wrong house. Also, I still haven't given up on the idea of a bad Bea.

Great. The entire reason I posted that list is because I was specifically hoping you would say that.

Now I'm 99.9% certain it's luke.

Can you share how you came to this conclusion?

MacDougall wrote:Aside from you right?

The fact that you are still alive is also a little bit confounding. Just a tad.

Elo on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being low, how certain are you in your forced voters are civs theory?

10. Now that doesn't mean that there was someone who voted sig and said they were forced, but actually lied in order to jump on that train for some reason. I would never do that and I don't see a reason to do that, but it could have happened.

Question....does anyone have an idea of how many House Atriedes, how many House Freman, and how many House Emporer would have been alive on the day Sig want lynched? Does anyone have this written in their notes?

Golden you have me in the wrong house. Also, I still haven't given up on the idea of a bad Bea.

Mac, why Golden?

bea wrote:You don't have luke on that list. Any reason why?

I understand my placement on the list even though I'm not hark.

I agree actually with your remaining list of possibilities. Adding luke instead of me.

I actually forgot him, thank you for pointing that out.

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Golden wrote:I think the smuggler/rogue may be banana. We haven't seen any ill effects from this role (as far as I'm aware) even though I feel we might have expected to.

I am going by the assumption that the person who is influencing votes and polls is the rogue.

You think the same person is influencing both? That's a possibility I hadn't considered.

However, I mentioned earlier that epi doesn't allow self-targetting as a host. If the rogue is taking names off the poll, it isn't luke.

I don't think it's the same person.

FZ. wrote:

Golden wrote:Thanks FZ. I never saw those posts that were deleted, but I can confirm that I had deduced you to be House Fremen.

And what do you think about what I said about SVS? She's never played with me as a baddie, yet she claims to know how I act as one. Doesn't it look to you like maybe she was just trying to make me look bad?

I think SVS is a misguided civ or recruit.

These are the players, in alphabetical order, that I think have any chance of being the last Hark. Of course I suspect come more than others and one, I don;t even really suspect at all. I will review them as thoroughly as I can before I vote. I still have this nagging feeling that Niju is bad and seeing how quiet she can be before anyone looks at her .

Bea
Banana
FZ
Niju
Sorsha

Matt F wrote:

Golden wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I really wish you (Golden) would share more with us about your trust in FZ and how it came to be.

I've been working very hard, espeically by way of observing others responses to what happens in the game and various discussions and hints, to establish which house I believe each player to be in. There have been good reasons why this has felt like a good strategy for figuring out the game, not least of which is your own contributions. I believe I have established the house of many players. FZ is one. I believe there is evidence as to which house she is in, and I don't think it's Harkonnen.

I won't say more - I'll let FZ claim which house if she will, because even ruling out Harkonnen, if I'm wrong and she wanted to lie she only has a 25% chance of guessing right.

What house do you have me pegged for? What about bea? Just curious.

And no, I'm not accusing bea again, I'm just wondering.

I think I know who belongs to what house as well for most of the players Although I feel like I am back to square one on who the last Hark may be.

Well, I hate that we were wrong. I guess we gave too much credit to the baddies for possibly having such a plan. I am a bit at a loss. I really wish you (Golden) would share more with us about your trust in FZ and how it came to be.

Golden wrote:I am certain Eloh is truthful. I do, however, think it is possible you are Wellington Yueh. Your conduct today has begun to make me think you must be, because you seem to otherwise be ignoring things I wouldn't expect you to ignore.

I'm not sure how to respond to this? Epi really hates my eagerness for role hinting, so I try to be very cautious.

What things am I ignoring?

Matt F wrote:

Elohcin - If you had to pick one player still in the game who you think would try to kill you, who would that player be?

I'm not sure it's smart on my part to answer this question.

Matt F wrote:

Golden wrote:Well, Matt. Put aside FZ. Who would you vote for, Floyd or Luke?

Floyd, I guess. But I don't really like either. I do think your case is well thought out, though.

Who DO you want to vote for?

Golden wrote:Oh, thank god, breakthrough.

I now do have bea levels of certainty on FZ.

Voting floyd.

Please share. As I have said before, I trust you Golden and I think Floyd is the best candidate for the last Hark. He has my vote as well.

As for the SVS/Golden encounters...I am not understanding SVS's reactions either. I am unsure why she would want to vote FZ b/c you don't suspect her. That doesn't make sense. That sounds like anger and not baddie hunting.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:We lose all the ties.

When MM said this....it was Day 3. The lynch was tied between sig and Floyd. So a dead MM (still paying attention to the game and conspiring with his team supposedly) tries to make Floyd out to be civ. It was soon after this post that TH began going after Floyd. I do see a possibility of talk in BTSC where they decided to have MM post this and then TH go after floyd to help him have civ cred. Floyd has not been very active this game and I suppose if he is bad that he is not very active in BTSC as well. I can see TH and MM coming up with this plan to try and keep TH around longer and have him look civ.

MacDougall wrote:The fact that Zebra is dead gives me pause though. Since Zebs was already mislynched once killing her in this situation has a sense of spite to it. Bea, SVS I couldn't see killing her with at the very least super jerk MacDougall alive to kill. I also would imagine FZ wouldn't either.

A scum Golden has a lot to gain from her demise as well. She had a scum read on him all game. Today there are a lot of lynches he could push and has so it would be a good idea to get it out of the way on a low risk day for him. I got my eye on you goldilocks.

Golden wrote:I'm not scared of you mac. I'm House Atriedes, and I wouldn't have any objection to you using whatever means you had at your disposal to test me to prove it

I tend expect some kind of tactical approach to lynching. If Floyd was lynched instead of sig, how much better would sig AND th look? That's the kind of baddie move I'd be making. TH went to the championships on our behalf... and he spent his last day in the game talking about how terribly he has played. All of these baddies have played a game that (whether intentional or not) certainly makes floyd LOOK civvie - and that is my point.

I'm not sure why you would be eyeing me when there is only one harkonnen left (even acknowledging the concept of a traitor I just brought up). What is exactly your reason for thinking baddie golden would protect FZ and not be happy just to watch her go down?

I can see where you are coming up with this and you might actually be correct. I know I trust you Golden, so there's that as well. I never thought I would be voting Floyd b/c of the way the baddies have gone after him. But I see myself leaning that way atm.

YES! I knew TH had to be playing dumb. It doesn't work for you buddy. One more to go. I really think it is bea.

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm sorry I'm about to do this (and it's the first time I've really done so), but I thought I would have more time today to catch up and post, but I have had next to nothing in the last three days or so (enough to pop in every once in a while for a few minutes at a time). I knew I wouldn't have as much time to dedicate to this game as usual, but I overestimated (or underestimated?) how little time that actually would be, and I apologize to my fellow players and host for this. I have to prep for and drive to my high school reunion and decide whether or not I want to tell egregious lies for shits and giggles, so I must place a vote now. I'm going to put my money where my mouth is (or was a few days ago) and vote Eloh. I have a feeling I can't shake.

Shake it baby, cuz you is WRONG! Have fun at your HS reunion!

FZ. wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I assume it was forced and because I know a bit about the forcing of the votes, I feel good about those who were forced to vote Sig.

What makes the players who were forced good? I can see thinking that of whoever did the forcing but not those who were forced.....

I can say no more.

From what you know, does it make sense that 4 civvies got forced to vote for a baddie?

Yes, it does.

I am 4 pages behind. In fact, the quoted post is the last I have read. Reason being. I have been gone a lot today and my wonderful husband was fixing my computer the other part of the day. Other than that I have been busy re-dowloading things on my computer as it was pretty much wiped clean. All the problems started when I upgraded from Windows 8 to 10. I don't really like either, but 10 is better than 8 imo. ANYWAY.....My opinion hasn't changed on TH, so that is where my vote goes.

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I assume it was forced and because I know a bit about the forcing of the votes, I feel good about those who were forced to vote Sig.

What makes the players who were forced good? I can see thinking that of whoever did the forcing but not those who were forced.....

I can say no more.

I assume it was forced and because I know a bit about the forcing of the votes, I feel good about those who were forced to vote Sig.

bea wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.

I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.

I very seriously think Matt is not bad. On a scale of one to ten, I give it a nine.

Why?

Admittedly I didn't ask the same question of svs. I had assumed it was because I quick civ read her and she and Sorsha have honestly played with me longer than anyone else so I just figured if she was sure I was civ, it's because I am. But fair is fair.

Svs- what in my posts makes you think I am civ to the 9 out of 10 degree?

Because he was forced to vote Sig. I have already said this more than once.

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.

I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.

I very seriously think Matt is not bad. On a scale of one to ten, I give it a nine.

Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.

Wait...never mind about svs...she was forced to vote Sig, right? If so, I am okay with. TH's last post dreadfully to me. I think he is bad along with bea possibly.

a2thezebra wrote:What are your current thoughts on Blooper and Luke, Eloh?

Sorry that I didn't see this before. I am mafiaing from my phone for the first time as my computer decided to take a carp. I don't think much of Luke. He is so absent and he is new, right? It's almost like he and banana both forgot they were playing. I am on the fence about niju. She could either be a quiet baddie or a busy-in-real-life civ. I just am not sure yet. And I believe there are so many others people to look at. I think Matt brings up good points about bea and svs. It's hard bc I was so sure of myself on zebra ans th and now I am second guessing everything. The only thing I am sure of are the few people I know to be good. While that is a bit of comfort, it's not enough.

Matt F wrote:

Elohcin wrote:And I see no mention of MM in her posts whatsoever.

At one point, I believe she "channels MM" and asks a player (forget which one) if they are bad or not. Otherwise, no, she didn't mention him to my knowledge either. And was also conveniently absent all day for his lynch.

Eloh - Why do Golden and Sorsha vouch for you?

They both seem to understand my alignment because of the Sig votes and lynch. I will tell you the the same lynch confirmed my read on you, him, and Mac.

And I see no mention of MM in her posts whatsoever.

MacDougall wrote:I believe I can see where what you are suggesting makes some sense. I will have to ponder on it.

Elo did you have a scum read of sig yesterday and if so why didn't you vote for him?

I didn't.

Turnip Head wrote:I agree that my voting record looks scummy as hell. I have no intentions of disputing that fact.

I have no idea what's going on in this game.

I can sympathize with the first part of this port. I have had a scummy voting record before while civ and it is frustrating as hell. The second part of the this post concerns me though. Why would Turnip Head not know what is going on. He is a good mafia player. Can you explain, TH?

@Matt - your case on Bea is very convincing. I hadn't reread her alone yet and seeing all her posts together like that seems pretty damning. I could get behind a bea vote today.

MacDougall wrote:
I feel like TH and or FZ probably need to be held accountable for their vote behavior but both have been quite town in their post contributions.

Maybe they are tricksy baddies

But seriously...I halfway agree with this. I feel FZ has seemed town, but not so much with TH.

I agree with you that the reasons you find me suspicious are in fact the actions of others. I am not sure what I have done, ME!!!, to make you think I am mafia. Also, why would I be the vote forcer as golden said AND be a part of the baddie team that redirected the vote forcer onto one of their own. That is silly.

MacDougall wrote:I think elo has to go tomorrow team.

Why?

Golden wrote:And it was clear in context the think about ninja being off the poll was because eloh wanted to vote/suspected ninja.

What's this? I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

Also, what is a "cop" in Mafia?

Golden wrote:@Eloh - how do you feel about Matt F?

His zaniness would make me question his alliance, however his sig vote (even while forced) puts him in the clear in my eyes. I see him as civ along with all the other sig voters. Except for Floyd that is. I think Floyd is civ but not b/c his vote for sig.

MacDougall wrote:

Elohcin wrote:
This is what I had written to share.....

I know you guys think I am crazy for my initial thoughts on Zebra's "overreaction". I had dropped the whole thing b/c she said she was joking and all. (i.e. my "you should have used sarcastic orange" comment.) I know some of you still harped on it, but for no good reason as I didn't suspect her any longer and did not vote for her (as I said). BUT!!!! Look at her vote in the poll. 5th overall, right after MM got two votes. I think she could be bad and felt like she needed to get eyes looking at another lynch possibility. I also think TH and FZ are possible baddies. I am not sure about Sig. If Zebra is bad, then I bet sig is civ and vise-versa. Also, I think Bea may be bad as well but that's just a hunch.

Elo. Do you now have Zebs as civ?

I suppose her Day 2 vote makes her look pretty good now that sig has been proven as bad. They voted one after the other on Day 2 and I don't see that being normal baddie team behavior. My gut still nags me about it though. And if Zebra is civ, then I suppose TH is civ. I'd hate to be wrong on all my suspicions though.

@ Zebra. Woot Woot for the civs, not b/c I had anything to do with it.

MacDougall wrote:
Right now I have Elo as a Sig teammie. The idea that she is the vote manip based on that post is interesting because I doubt she would skirt her husbands rules that closely. Elo did you mean what Golden took you to mean?

Golden if you think she is the vote manip. Didn't you also have the vote manip as a bad guy who had their ability shifted. If that's the case then how is she a town read based on that?

Back then, the rules weren't as strict as they are now. When the rules got strict, I shut up. I believe Golden is saying that the vote manip rule and the redirection role are separate and that the redirection role is the bad role. B/c he said that when he was bad with MM once before, MM tried to get the team to agree to redirect something to another teammate.

And I see Golden assured everything I just said in later posts

bea wrote:wait - wot? after all that, sig was bad????!!!!

I'm glad he won the coin flip!!!

Back to catsup...just got in from work....

What coin flip?

a2thezebra wrote:Golden, I say that I must truly suck at reading sig.

riiiiiiiiiiight

MM, does that mean that sig's opponent was civ? I think you just spoke on topic

And, I think the last two (there are two left, right?) Are Zebra and TH. Just sayin'.

WOOT WOOT!

MacDougall wrote:Elohcin is best lynch candidate. Do her.

I know this is way after the fact. I've been gone this evening. But, why?

MacDougall wrote:This is interesting. How sig got more votes after the forced votes is strange to say the least.

No, the first 4 were forced (from what I understand) and then Floyd voted sig to save himself. That is only one non-forced vote and there is good reason for it.

I will be leaving shortly for band practice. Please y'all, try not to spread the votes.

linki: Nope, I didn't. haha. And I agree with you btw. Pot just stinks, imo.

So she did get the PM but was high and didn't remember it correctly? What were you high on S~V~S? I didn't know you were that kind of girl

I just thought if her vote was forced (which is how it sounds) that she would have gotten the PM when everyone else did. If I got a PM saying I was to vote a certain way, I would do it then and not wait, especially when we were all talking about it.

linki: I will have to read them again I guess. I just went through them in the past hour or so, but I was also playing games with my kids at the same time.

Thank you. I missed that somehow. I am surprised she didn't do it sooner.

Did SVS even explain her Sig vote?

TH still has yet to give him opinion on Zebra, btw.