The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'm so glad I could redeem myself (after being fooled by the tricksy Epi) and still help the civs win. This was a very fun game.

I really wasn't trying to fool anybody after timmer died.

I understand. By that time I may have been blinded by all the butter and sugar what was taking over my RL.

I'm so glad I could redeem myself (after being fooled by the tricksy Epi) and still help the civs win. This was a very fun game.

Okay BDH. I am trusting you. Voting BWT.

I won't be here this evening, but I'm here now. BDH, I know we had a little spat this last go-around b/c I really thought Epi was civ, but I see I was wrong. I'd like to hear your thoughts before I vote.

BDH and BWT...which one of you are bad?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

I know, right?

WOW! I'm shocked! Okay, so...one crooked cop left. An Independant. And two civs. Am I right. Wow, this game.

insertnamehere wrote:

Elohcin wrote:INH, you're so wrong.

Epi, do you think you may know my role yet?

What role do you think Epi is, and do you recognize any slight hinting at alignment that Epi may be partaking in?

Also do you see his posts as threatening towards me?

I am no good at role guessing. Epi is usually good at it, so I was curious if he knew mine. And no, I don;t see his posts as threatening.

INH, you're so wrong.

Epi, do you think you may know my role yet?

Okay, I changed my vote. Not sure what good it'll do. All the baddies are voting Epi right now unless Epi is bad. SMH!

The only kind of partner I have in Epi is life partner :P

But, if your vote stays, so does mine.

Oh, and BDH...if you are willing to move your vote to either INH or Russ, I will move with you.

well, listen...I am unsure as to what I should do. I think INH and Russ are bad. But if I vote for either one, I am the only vote on them which means it really counts for nothing. I assume Epi was forced to vote BWT. I don't want to vote him. I am moving my vote to BDH for now. I think Epi is civ. I am more confident about him than I am BDH and I want Epi to at least have a chance at survival.

BigDamnHero wrote:I don't think INH is a cop nor is he yin.

Can you elaborate? B/c I think he looks pretty bad when he tries to defend himself against accusations.

I think INH is a good candidate to vote for too. I don't want my vote to mean nothing. BDH, what are your thoughts on INH?

Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:linkin @Epi: say we lynch a cop...that leaves 2 civs (who can't be sure of each other), an indy (who is out for himself) a cop and a serial killer. The serial killer has already (presumeably) decided who dies after the lynch. That killer is the ONLY person who can basically guarantee a kill since there are still condtions attached to the cop NK and the civs don't have one. Then come Day 9, we are just right back where we started.

The only power (aside from a conditional NK) the cops have is to vote together. so IF we can lynch Yin today and not spilt vote tomorrow, this defuses that advantage considerably.

Two Civilians
Two Cops
One Yin
One Indy

Yin is getting somebody today. Could be a civilian, could be a cop, could be the independent. That's unknown. Suppose he didn't though. If Yin is lynched, that leaves...

Two Civilians
Two Cops
One Indy

...during a Night phase. The Crooked Cops have killed the last two Nights. If they kill a civilian, it's over, because the independent can win with any team. The cops will have won.

You absolutely need a Crooked Cop dead today. A civilian can only pray that Yin targeted a Crooked Cop too.

What Epi said here.

The person I'm actually most down to vote of all right now is Elo, she's my most confident Cop read.

AAAAAAAANNNNNNND...you would be wrong. I'm keeping my vote where it is. I really think I am finally making a good call this time.

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:What is Epi playing at?

Note that he doesn'tsay I'm bad, just that he recommends lynching me. He clearly seems to be bad, which, for now, is good enough for me. *votes Epi* Open to discussion on why voting him wouldn't be optimal and who would be good to lynch instead.

Don't really see myself voting BDH or INH today, though.

That's what I figured.

BDH, Eloh, birdwithteeth11: Vote Russ.

Well, no beer for Eloh:

Or if BDH prefers:

BigDamnHero wrote:I'm voting Russ FOR NOW....definitely just a place holder...BWT, ELOH I really need to know of.you are gonna follow...let's NOT end today early and really hash things out...

I'm with you BDH.

Russtifinko wrote:Geez, so it was 2 civs on that poll...brutal.

BDH, who do you most feel like spoiling? haha

I can't wait to read end game and see the ins and outs of all the items. It had to be an item in the hands of a baddie, or I guess possibly a misguided civ.

Now, b/c we are still playing, that must mean that civs still have a chance, right?

I want to stay awake and see the results, but I can;t hold out any longer.

Epignosis wrote:Voted Russ again.

B/c of DF's last post?

I don't know where Epi is. I mean, I know where he is physically, but I don't know why he hasn't graced us with his presence in the thread today and given any more input. I could swear by his gameplay that he is civ, but no one never really knows for sure.

Could the poll be between two civs and the baddies know this and don't care which is lynched?

DF 1.0 was not very vocal except when it came to him being adamant about voting scotty.

DF 2.0 -

DFaraday wrote:I'm really not sold on the Scotty case, so I'd like to discuss other things. For instance:

What does everyone think of those hack Yin Yangs that killed original me?

Continues about not liking scotty voters once he comes back as 2.0 and votes Matt instead of Scotty.

So what could inspire this sudden change of Scotty's alignment? The only thing I can think of is that he suddenly had more insight of who might be good when he became 2.0. This could mean he came back bad.

Funny side note...when Scotty 2.0 joined the game, DF suspected him


Russ: Overall, Russ seems more helpful and involved in the game. He gives more insight and shares his thoughts more than DF.

I am inclined to trust Russ more than DF after reading though both of them individually. I am moving my vote to DF>

Russtifinko wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I know the lynch doesn't end until tomorrow evening. However, I am going to give a placeholder vote so y'all can see who I think is bad (among the two) as it stands right now from just following the game. But I will look at each of the candidates sometimes today. I may change my vote, I may not.

So, I don't mind your vote itself, but given that you haven't done a large amount of casebuilding this game, could you humor me and take a stab at offering some reason DF may be good and/or I may be bad?

This post tells me absolutely nothing about your train of thought, and it comes of as super wishy-washy.

Linki: Quin, think you posted in the wrong thread haha.

You are correct in everything you said. I thought it was clear that my vote was just a placeholder, giving everyone an idea of who I may think is bad among you and DF just by my following along with the game and playing as I have. I had not had a chance to read each of you individually (and still haven't, tbh), but I wanted to at last give people an idea of where I stood at that time. I've been SUPER busy the past few days. Actually, it is 2:42 and I just sat down for the first time today about 10 minutes ago with my "breakfast". I worked 8 hours straight in a hot, sticky kitchen and made use of like 40 sticks of butter I have a LOT of work this week. Anyway, I am in no way complaining, work=food on the table So, I am definitely going to go right now and finish catching up and then read you and DF individually. I will then post my thoughts and might even change my vote. I have no idea yet.

I know the lynch doesn't end until tomorrow evening. However, I am going to give a placeholder vote so y'all can see who I think is bad (among the two) as it stands right now from just following the game. But I will look at each of the candidates sometimes today. I may change my vote, I may not.

well, that is bittersweet. II'm still here, thankfully, but we lost another civ. I'm surprised Scotty and I tied right there towards the end. I was fast asleep during the whole thing.

insertnamehere wrote:
@BDH, Elo, and BWT, name one person you suspect that Epignosis didn't influence you towards.

BWT

I messed up the quotes there, sorry. The first paragraph is from me. Then, it was Scotty, I believe that said the first quote to which I responded that I've been busy.

I'm shocked that it took someone until Day 6 to suspect me for something. I don't really think there is a good case against me. If you nit-pick a post here and there, you can say, "oh all she has done is follow Epi" which you've done. But if you read through ALL my posts, you will see that is not true. Though, Epi has seemed very much on the ball this game. And you show I have a bad voting record. Yup...but so do SO many other players. Anyway...lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatever. It won't e good for the civs if you do. And it won't get you any closer to winning.

What do you think of Elo? She has done nothing this phase but agree with you and make sure she gets that item from BDH.[/quote]

I've been crazy busy.

Russtifinko wrote:I vote more people follow Epi and vote me. In fact, I'll be the first. One of the longest weeks of my life, and I don't have energy to try to save this game. So lynch me, and please, for the love of God, do 2 things when I die:

1) Lynch timmer. THat way we'll have done at least one thing right this game.
2) Dethrone Epi as King of the Thread. I mean, it was a pretty inactive game, and someone had to fill the void, so in that respect Epi is helping. But he's wrong, and the vast majority of the thread is treating his word like gold. It lets baddies skate by when 2/3 of voters say "Oh sure, whatever Epi said. That'll be good."

This post is odd. I will never understand why people would rather be killed/lynched than try to get a replacement for themselves. No matter your alignment, you should have enough respect for your "team" to at least try to get a replacement instead of just give up. You're only making it more difficult for them to win that way.

BigDamnHero wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Yeah, I had forgotten about it too until I reread the rules the other day. BDH has offered to trade/gift me his item while I gift him mine, but I haven't heard from him since. I'm a little afraid he will forget and then I will have given him my item for nothing in return.

BDH, please confirm with me about our agreement as we get closer to EoD.

I sent my PM to the hosts after we agreed to the trade.

awesome, thanks...I will do the same.

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:That there is enough for me to place a vote on Scotty. I'll hear him out if he has a defense, but the facts are pretty damning.

Which points do you agree with?

The interactions between you and Russ.

That there is enough for me to place a vote on Scotty. I'll hear him out if he has a defense, but the facts are pretty damning.

I like the idea of looking at replacements for today. It makes sense that a baddie is among those three 2.0s and it gives us a smaller sample of players which gives us a higher chance of catching a baddie. I will be looking at those today/tomorrow and deciding who I will vote among them. I

timmer wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

timmer wrote:Also incidentally, I had forgotten about the whole item thing. If anyone wants to swap items with me, I'm game for that, just let me know?

I'll trade. I was going to trade with Eloh but somebody scooped me.

Done!

Yeah, I had forgotten about it too until I reread the rules the other day. BDH has offered to trade/gift me his item while I gift him mine, but I haven't heard from him since. I'm a little afraid he will forget and then I will have given him my item for nothing in return.

BDH, please confirm with me about our agreement as we get closer to EoD.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:What line of work are you in BWT?

I work for Kroger as an assistant store manager at a local store in the area. Lower-level management in retail = Crazy, variable work hours from week to week sometimes.

The last job I had (outside my home) that had various work hours was when I worked at Chick-Fil-A as a teenager. I loved the job, I hated my schedule changing all the time. I always wondered why they did that in restaurants, grocery stores, and what not. Why not just give everyone the same predictable schedule every week? Wouldn't that relieve the manager/schedule maker of some stress? Being a manager, do you have an answer for this?

@ Russ - I see. Sorry, I always forget to go look at roles revealed on page 1. I bet it would help me out, huh

Linki: Thanks SD

BigDamnHero wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Now....anyone willing to gift me their item and I will gift you mine?

I'll take you up on this offer...

Okay. Thanks!

@HOST - do we have to wait until night to PM you and gift each other our items?

sig wrote:I've been a civ with BTSC a few times, I usually leave little unnoticeable hints, and I wouldn't be surprised if Lorab was killed for having BTSC. If she trusted the player and told them who she was they'd kill her at the first chance they got.

Scotty brings up a good point on Ying/Yang and riddles. If Shawn is bad at puzzles or inactvie then it doesn't matter, but if the riddles are really that hard perhaps that can help clue us in to who Ying/Yang are?

These are both good points. First, my question to everyone would be, did any of you get temporary BTSC with another player claiming to be a civ? If others claim they had BTSC with someone claiming to be civ, then its more likely that is what happened with Lorab. If not, I don't think it would be the case. I mean, what kind of role allows you a one-time temporary BTSC conversation?

For the second point, for some reason, I was thinking that the host(s) were the ones making the riddles. Did you read somewhere where it specifically said that Ying/Yang make up the riddles?

Now....anyone willing to gift me their item and I will gift you mine?

So Lorab was killed (RIP). Why would they kill her when she was being suspected by some?

Epi, I think I've agreed with just about everything you've said this game, but I disagree that if someone thinks there is a "most vocal civ" then that implies they think there is a "most vocal baddie". How does that work exactly. Couldn't someone think there is a most vocal civ among the civs and then think the baddies are AWOL? Just sayin'.

not skip, slip

Scotty wrote:Well for one thing, my new top suspicions are LoRab and Epi.

Epi is one person who I've been going back and forth on- for one, I agreed with his views on INH. For two, he's actually been the most vocal civ in the last phase, and when everyone started piling on Sokoth, it was pretty clear from an outside perspective that Sokoth was definitely a mislynch. Trust me, I was screaming. INH's voting pattern is pretty shit. But then again, so is Epi's. Why include Sokoth in talks with INH? I think INH looked much more damning, and if LoRab were to be bad, your choice to put the hammer down on Sokoth looks like someone that chose to vote there when a baddie teammate LoRab nervously exclaimed in the chat "Sokoth is onto me, let's take him down". This one is reaching possibly, but that's a scenario I want to look at the next day.

This seems like a genuine baddie skip. What say you, scotty?

I don't even know what to say other than...it is so difficult to find the baddies this game. I mean, there has got to be so much going on behind the scenes with this game in secrets and what not b/c I'm lost. Maybe I should start by listing those I think I can trust...

hmm...I feel like I can trust BDH and Epi (and myself of course :P). But I am unsure about everyone else. That's pretty bad for Phase 5. I feel like that list should be longer.

I would have been okay with Soko or INH. But, if I want my vote to have any meaning, its Soko today.

Epignosis wrote:I am keen on lynching INH or SokothQultuq. Speak now or forever hold onto your butts.

Well, it looks like leaving you up alone in a quiet house proved a productive evening. Your case on INH is very good. I will vote for him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Thanks for being such good sports so far, y'all. You're making this easy for me.

If you'd like, I could pick a marital dispute with Epi in the thread to make things more interesting.

Now, I have reread the rules on items recently and I was wondering if anyone would want to gift me their item and I will gift you mine. Any takers?

I'm so glad that Gamble is gone and we know his secrets. Man, I was wearing myself out trying to figure out what their kill requirements might be. Knowing it all might be out of their hands frees my mind up to look at tone, behavior, and what not. Let's do this the old fashion way boys!

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:Nice to see I was right about both MM and Wilgy. Feeling better.

Pondering implications of the secrets of MM's role.

You look like a busser to me.

I agree. Between Lorab's vote post and this one...it doesn't make her look good.

Epignosis wrote:I vote, and three people follow me.

Oh stop. It had nothing to do with you.

LoRab wrote:OK. Read up.

Thoughts on the names that have come up, because at this moments, I don't have any suspects of my own and I've been wrong about suspicions up until now, so I'm self doubting, and I didn't have time to read back through earlier posts. Also, it's less than 2 hours, and more names would only make it easier for mafia to manipulate the lynch, assuming (like Epi) many missing voters).

MM I could definitely see as bad. Especially after the vote for Sig, with no stated reason for doing so.

Russ I would be very surprised to find out was bad.

Wilgy, I'm unsure. I'm not very good at reading him. My gut tells me he is civ, but my gut could be totally wrong.

Sig, I really don't think is bad. I'm willing to revisit that at some point, but I don't see enough evidence that he's bad at this point to change my thinking.

So, I'm voting MM, because I think that's where I'm seeing the strongest reasoning at this point.

My top suspect is still wilgy. And with no developments today on who could be bad b/c of Night 2's kill, I have to stick with my vote on him. But, this post here doesn't sit well with me. The way Lorab describes wilgy sounds like how a baddie would describe a teammate. I also don;t like how she voted for MM and gave the exact reasoning that a previous player gave. If wilgy is bad, Lorab has my next vote.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:What about Russ' Day 2 posts. Wouldn't those need to be looked at as well?

Linki - well, I am not bad so there.

Russ was good Day 2. He got lynched.

Derp. Yes, 1.0. Got it.

What about Russ' Day 2 posts. Wouldn't those need to be looked at as well?

Linki - well, I am not bad so there.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I already talked about my thoughts on the three different role descriptions. But whatever.

Then I've got nothing and I will vote with the masses.

I'm done trying today.

No reason to be defeatist just because I don't think you're correct. Unless you're bad, then you would know.

I'll take a fresh look with possible mechanics in mind, but if that fails, I'm going to go about this old fashioned way.

I'm just frustrated with getting nowhere. I mean, look around, where is everyone? Do you think maybe the baddies have met their goal/post count and now they have to be quiet? I think looking at the number of posts today might be a good idea especially since today was supposed to be over already. The baddies probably met their goal by the time day was supposed to end and now they have to keep quiet.

Linki