The Syndicate

We won't find out til Saturday?

ok, I voted DrWilgy then. Since DF did. are you on board, Epi?

well, I was going to and nor DF voted me too. what shall we do, Epi?

I have to vote for someone to help save ME. Its not fun staying up when I am this tire. I am voting Wilgy. Hopefully you get on board and help me stay alive.

I need to go to sleep Epi....whatcha got for me?

you still willing to vote wilgy? what about df?

what can we do Epi...either way, its going to ed in a tie if no one else comes inhere to vote.

well, this isn't going to work...I already have two votes.

linki, yeah, I know...sorry

Epignosis wrote:I'm going to read through spacedaisy real quick.

So are you still not sure if your vote will stay there then? I will vote with you if I can, but I cannot follow you around the poll board like a puppy dog

Epignosis wrote:Spacedaisy didn't really jump into things until Day 3. She made a huge post. She had me as bad but said I was good in the same post.

I don't remember much of spacedaisy. I think she was inactive in the first few days when I was active. I do remember her saying in the election game mafia that bwt was there visiting.

linki...okay epi. Who do you think? I was happy with scotty

and you're prepared to vote wilgy too?

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:okay, thanks SD and Epi. I will go ahead and vote then.

You know, I'm not voting Scotty for any particular reason. I just voted the guy. Jesus.

And suppose E hadn't just woken up and I had gone straight to bed and left my vote on Scotty.

So why did you have your vote on scotty and why now on SD?

okay, thanks SD and Epi. I will go ahead and vote then.

sorry for the multiple posts. I just don't to vote with you and then have it stuck there is I have to save myself. not that I will probably be away at the time.

votes are changeable, right?

I believe you are good, Epi. I will vote with you as long as it works in my favor as well.

okay. So timmer is an outed baddie then? Have we not tried lynching him? If not, why not?

Scotty wrote:Ok.

I have to get ready for my show.

Elo has been on to defend herself but not actually baddy hunt. She's had ample opportunities and just seems indifferent in a phase in which we need convictions.

Everyone seems to be heading down the path of voting her, so I'm gonna start this train.

If Elo isn't bad, then GG baddies

Elohcin

You wanna come bake and decorate cakes and I can baddie-hunt.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.

It was inconclusive.

By that I mean that she never came back and said anything one way or the other about my response. Were the lynch to occur right now, I'd vote there, but I'm willing to wait.

I'm too busy makin' dat dough! I'm sorry. I *am* trying to keep up and answer questions and what not, but even when I think I answer them, you say I don't and come back with more. Do I still trust timmer? I don't know. I haven't been paying enough damn attention to know. And would I vote wilgy? Sure, if it meant saving my ass! Can i go to sleep now?

I understand all that. But you seemed to dodge my question about timmer. I wanted to know why you found him trustworthy. Now you say you don't know if you trust him at all.

I didn't mean to dodge the question. I thought I said tone and participation.

Epignosis wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.

It was inconclusive.

By that I mean that she never came back and said anything one way or the other about my response. Were the lynch to occur right now, I'd vote there, but I'm willing to wait.

I'm too busy makin' dat dough! I'm sorry. I *am* trying to keep up and answer questions and what not, but even when I think I answer them, you say I don't and come back with more. Do I still trust timmer? I don't know. I haven't been paying enough damn attention to know. And would I vote wilgy? Sure, if it meant saving my ass! Can i go to sleep now?

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Epi, I see you have had a lot of time to play Mafia today. As you know...I have not. And now that it's after dinner, I just want to relax. I know you have lots of questions, especially why I trust who I trust this game. I chalk it all up to tone and participation. But that answer is only with days ago in mind. I haven't been able to keep up the past few days. And I am super busy this week with work. So..lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatevs. All I can say is that I know you don't want to lose a civ. So you might want to look elsewhere.

How busy you are has nothing to do with what role Dom got. I'm not asking for a dissertation. There's no need to address me point by point. I'll make it easy for you:

1. What made timmer trustworthy to you as soon as you replaced Dom? Do you still trust him?

2. Where did you say indiglo was playing it safe?

3. You said, regarding my baseless suspicion of indiglo: "I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. " Why did you think I suspected indiglo and why couldn't you reveal it at the time?

4. Would you lynch DrWilgy or wouldn't you?

1. I'm not aware that it was as soon as I replaced in that I said I thought timmer was trustworthy. But I do remember thinking I ought to share my thoughts of who I thought was good or bad. And honestly, it was a combination of Elo 1.0 and Elo 2.0. My new role didn't affect my perspective.

2. I believe I said that I thought she was playing it safe as Elo. 1.0. Let me see if I can find it. .............................Hmm, I must have only thought it and not stated it

3. A previous game we were both in, you were civ and you voted for me Day 1 for no reason whatsoever and you stated as much. I thought it could have been a slight way of you trying to communicate to me, "hey, I'm civ." But I didn't catch that this could be until I posted it. So...yes, I hounded you for your lack of reasoning. But...I think you are civ now after that. BUT, I could be totally off and it have no meaning whatsoever and you could be bad bad bad.

4. Would I lynch Wilgy? Sure if you guys think he is bad. Like I said, I haven't been following the thread. And like I also said, I think randomizing is worse than jumping on a bandwagon. I think bandwagoning shows faith in the people. You can all disagree with me if you want..I don't care.

Epi, I see you have had a lot of time to play Mafia today. As you know...I have not. And now that it's after dinner, I just want to relax. I know you have lots of questions, especially why I trust who I trust this game. I chalk it all up to tone and participation. But that answer is only with days ago in mind. I haven't been able to keep up the past few days. And I am super busy this week with work. So..lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatevs. All I can say is that I know you don't want to lose a civ. So you might want to look elsewhere.

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I have been busy. I just got home. I thought I'd see what I was missing out on in Mafia. But, it looks like not much. The night hasn't even ended! SO, I guess that is good news.

Yes, and I'll ask again- any observations or thoughts about the game that you would like to report?

A bunch of us have overlap thinking that you are bad. Who do you think is bad?

And I don't know why people think I'm bad either. Can you tell me why?

I have been busy. I just got home. I thought I'd see what I was missing out on in Mafia. But, it looks like not much. The night hasn't even ended! SO, I guess that is good news.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I oppose lynching Sorsha tomorrow if she is still inactive. At this point it doesn't matter what order we lynch the two Killgrave lackeys so I might as well go after the one we have a hope to read, and that will give us more information to help us find the second obe. It lso gives it extra time for Sorsha to become active, or for zebra to find a replacement for her. Also if Sorsha is a civ, this is a winning lynh for the baddies which she can't even defend again. I don't want to make that bet now.

So I say ignore Sorsha and lynch one of the active players next day.

Do we even know if Sorsha has opened her role PM? Can that info be given by the host?

Oh, nevermind, I guess it doesn't matter now. Welcome DF.

Scotty wrote:Well fak.

I'm almost inclined to vote Wilgy tomorrow just because he has the most posts and hasn't been NK'd.

If there is a tomorrow.

This certainly is an interesting thought. But what about Wilgy other than his number of posts makes you think the mafia would want to kill him?

insertnamehere wrote:

Elohcin wrote:so, I am overwhelmed and cannot think clearly today. I have been blessed beyond what I could ever think or imagine and mafia is low on my list, sorry. SO....I am bandwagoning. I haven't been keeping up.

This is why I will always advocate randomization.

I'd like to switch Scotty and Elo's rankings on my read list.

So I should randomize instead of bandwagon? I always felt if I randomize then my vote means nothing. If I bandwagon, I am putting my faith in the work the other civs have done. That's how I see it anyway.

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Did we know about Kilgrave at the time INH?

Also the fact that INH thought votes were changable when that post was made makes me feel alittle better.

Agreed.

I also think that if INH flips bad, it may not be a bad idea like you said to murk Sorsha. I think Elo has more going against her however, like this late bandwagon vote.

I can't hold a thought in my head these days! I'm overwhelmed! And it's the weekend so I am trying not to go crazy waiting to hear back from our mortgage lender. Just let me live until things settle down here and the final offer on the house is in writing. I will be a better participant then. I don't even really know what you guys think you have on me!?

so, I am overwhelmed and cannot think clearly today. I have been blessed beyond what I could ever think or imagine and mafia is low on my list, sorry. SO....I am bandwagoning. I haven't been keeping up.

DF was killed AND MM is dead?

hmm. Sorry Indiglo. Epi seems so authoritative to me for some reason. Then when his reasons matched my thoughts.....well....sorry.

Epignosis wrote:

indiglo wrote:Dude, the distancing is a good idea. Just be sure not to make it too obvious. I like the plan though. You're going to get mega civ cred!

You're bad. You're usually one to come out and lead, but you're not doing that. You are hanging back. You are bad. You should be lynched.

This is what I meant by indiglo playing it safe. Thank you, Epi for adding reasons to your vote. I am going to vote indiglo. She is my only suspicion today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Are you talking about Red vs Blue or a different game?

Do you know nothing about me? Do you really think I know the name of the game I am talking about. If only games had faces...then I could describe what it looked like or pick it out of a line-up for sure.

Scotty wrote:
Elo, would a bad Epi normally kill you off if he knew you were on to him day 1?
I remember being on a baddie team with him once where he said he would rather end your time on the game if you had a lot on your plate and mafia was only getting in the way (paraphrasing, but he general idea is there). Do you think this constitutes?

Yeah, if I am rather busy and and cannot really participate anyway. If I signed up b/c he asked me to in order to get the game started and the que rolling. Then he might kill me right off and put me out of my misery. BUT, this is a tiny game, and I love it. I have lots of work this week, but I'm not drowning. He knows I very much enjoy small games. So I am not too sure that he would kill me night 1. A the time, I just thought it was weird that he voted so quickly and without reason. But I think he is just overwhelmed with other things maybe. Like I said, we have a lot going on in RL right now.

DFaraday wrote:
I also don't see why Epi should necessarily be suspicious for his early, reasonless vote. It's not like he has a track record of doing that as a baddie. I don't feel civ about him per se, but that vote alone isn't enough to ping me.

I think I have come to this conclusion myself as well. I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. I am having a hard time deciding who I don't trust. Wilgy would be top of my list just b/c of responses and overall tone...but of course I have shared this before. I think I can trust Scotty this game. Timmer is being helpful and I think I can trust him. DF, though he hasn't posted a whole lot seems civ to me. Heck maybe Epi was right and indiglo is bad. Or possibly one of the baddies is a low poster.

@Daisy....have fun with your guest. Anyone we know?

indiglo wrote:@ Elo, regarding #3 - It just means you were pinged by him and you were not his baddie team mate when he pinged you. It was a genuine ping.

Oh okay, I see. Yes. It's funny. Because even when I am bad I try to pretend to myself that I am civ and I still look for "genuine" pings. (Oftentimes there is more than one baddie team anyway.) So...I never would have come to that conclusion. I rarely lie in Mafia. Lots of times players claim my pings are made up. But they are always genuine to me even if they sound absurd to others.

A few things:

1. I see there is no polls thread (which is fine). Can someone tell me how Day 1 ended? I think I read that someone said Timmer escaped the lynch. Did he have the most votes? I don't really recall anyone suspecting him Day 1.

2. I don't see an end time for today's lynch. What is it?

3.

indiglo wrote:RIP Elo, and welcome back.

No one has mentioned it, so I will. Does it mean anything that she was immediately pinged by Epi, and she was obviously a civ?

I'm not even sure what it means that I was immediately pinged by Epi and I am civ. I know I mentioned this subject in my last post. But maybe he is just distracted. We have a lot of RL stuff going on. His voting with no reasons just seems off to me.

4. Oh, and I see a lot of role claiming out there. This game is just goodies and baddies, right? If we all claim roles, we are going to have those that tell the truth (honest civs) and those who are going to lie (baddies and crazy civs). No one can truly call out the liars with full certainty. I mean, if we are exceptional lie detectors, then maybe it could be helpful.

5.

timmer wrote:
It's a valid question... how many times, as a civ, have they voiced suspicion about the other and been wrong vs been right?

Not sure on the exact number, but I do think Epi has been right about me more often. And I think I have been right about him less often. That doesn't mean he's always right :P Just you keep that in mind.

When I play Mafia, what you see is me (usually). I am a transparent person. I will act sometimes, but not often. I CAN be a good actress, but usually with the help of a supportive team.

Epi is a good actor all on his own. When he plays Mafia, he is very different than his true self. And he can be different from game to game. In RL, he is a kind, gentle, un-confrontational soul.

Honestly Timmer, I am not sure what to think about Epi. The last game we played together and this one....he automatically came in on Day 1 and voted someone for no reason whatsoever. It just doesn't seem like him. Maybe he is being a bad baddie. Maybe he is being a lazy civ. I don't know what to think. All I know is it seems abnormal and it doesn't jive with me. If I had not missed the vote Day 1, though, I would have voted Wilgy. He pinged me more than Epi just by his response to Epi.

I need to catch up on the few posts I haven't read since my death and I may find this answer as I read, but what do you think of Epi and his Day 1 vote. And, what do you think of Wilgy?

Yes, please.

a2thezebra wrote:Night 1 has ended.

Elohcin was killed. She was Jeri Hogarth, town-aligned. Duh.

Day 2 begins now and ends in 48 hours. The poll has no technical deadline because last time it totally fucked up for a reason that I have yet to identify, so I'll try to be here at this exact time 48 hours from now to end the day.

WHAT?! Write it down in the books, I think this is the first time this has happened. Man! It was fun while it lasted :/

Shoot, I totally missed the vote. I thought I only missed it by a few minutes, but I actually missed it by an HOUR and a few minutes. I was caught up in some research for my business and checking on my delicious looking cheesecake that I made for my birthday (YES I MADE MY OWN CAKE ) And boom, I missed it. Sorry guys. I hope my punishment isn't too severe.

Maybe I ought to have been a well-respected, brave player and voted early with no apparent reasons. HAHAHA

Metalmarsh89 wrote:DrWilgy is my top civread.

Why so?

DrWilgy wrote:My question for you Eloh, how is me respecting Epi a cover up when I had said nothing about how I read his alignment?

Listen, I am not trying to jump to conclusions here. Its just when I read your posts, it popped out to me as odd. Normally when someone votes early and states no reason, players are like, "woah dude, you still have time to mull things over. And if you are voting with no reasons to back it up, then " So....I am like...hmm, this is an odd response to an early vote with no reasons to back it up. This is the exact opposite of what I would except. SO....I am pinged. That's all.

DrWilgy wrote:Everyone randoming gives us nothing to work with. Posting low also gives us nothing to work with.

Due to numbers, it's probable that not all low posters and random voters can be bad, but who would like to bet that at least one is?

I agree with this. And, can you agree that Epi's early vote with no reasons attached is just as bad?

Epi, I have asked your for your reasons behind your vote. You have yet to answer. Will you please do so?

@ Wilgy....so you suspect Epi (as per your rainbow list). Why?

DrWilgy wrote:

Elohcin wrote:well, no. But I am surprised you are just taking that without asking for a reason.

He showed courage with placing the first vote and answered a question I had. It's also day 1, and thus I don't expect super concrete reasons for voting.

Maybe its just me, but every time wilgy posts, it makes me think more and more that he and Epi could be teammates. Am I the only one thinking this? I know Epi personally and I don't see his voting first as a show of courage. I don't understand why you would say that. It seems so much like a cover.

well, no. But I am surprised you are just taking that without asking for a reason.

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:is character claiming allowed?

Yes.

I'm Minnie Mouse. Oh...wait...um...

Epignosis wrote:I believe indiglo is bad. Voting indiglo.

Is this like the time you said you thought I was bad and voted me in the last game we were in? The time you really had no clue whether I was bad or not but everything *thinks* you know me SOOOO well and will know for sure whether I am bad or good even if I have yet to say a word in thread? Hmm......

Why are you voting indiglo?

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I believe indiglo is bad. Voting indiglo.

Epi are votes changeable?

Nope. And I'm happy with my vote.

I respect you.

??? This is weird. Epi voted Ind and states no reason. And Wilgy respects that?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Scotty wrote:What is this show.

I am here?

Woman with super-strength gets kidnapped by villain with mind control powers. VIllain spends months making her his sexual slave or something like that. One day she breaks free, and the show focuses on a few days later, where she tries to live life as a private investigator while dealing with the PSTD from what happened to heThe villain then comes back and no she has to decide if she will face him and become a hero, or just run away.

Thanks for this. I doub't I'll be watching, but it's good to know the storyline behind the game I'm playing.

@ Sorsha - Orlando?! What are you there for? Run barefeet in the grass for me! Miss that place.

I want a team too!!! WAHH!

I am here. But I am leaving. I have a night out with some mommas. I'll be back.