The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:08 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:04 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:35 am oh sweet we did it! fun game yall, thanks marmot!!

I guess speed didn't get his wincon, sorry dude

Nope, he did not. Great effort on his part and many others in this game.

It's getting late. I'm off to bed, but I'll reveal all the juicy goodness of this game tomorrow morning. There were definitely some interesting situations and events in this game.

One thing of note, the mafia never missed their kill. Except on purpose on Night 8. Otherwise, they killed every night.

Anyway, good night for now!

can i be correct about one thing in this game or no

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:52 pm oh my god eloh that geode cake is gorgeous!!!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:16 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:33 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:59 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:57 pm Have one more thing to say. Sloonei...I donthunk you're good. But I feelnlike you are really reaching with these last few posts/questions to me.

Is "donthunk" supposed to be "do think" or "don't think"?

Sorry... posted in a hurry. Do.

Thanks. What has changed in the last ~24 hours?

Nothing. I just said I though your "let's name the reasons why people arw civ" idea was silly. We're just saying, hey mafia...night kill this one! I thought your exercise would hinder, instead of help, civs. So...I called you out on it. I don't care who you are...if I feel I see something that isn't helping the civs find scum... I'm going to say something

I also thought you telling bloop not to qorry about reading the thread was a hindrance as well. How can ahw help hunt if ahw doesn't know what's going on.

Also, I never totally confirmed you as town, btw. I said that the thread has pretty much confirmed you town. You're the most trusted player, I think. Why would a mafia player attack a vocal player who isn't going to get lynched and had supported her in the game?

I don't understand your mindset regarding the town read exercise (or Operation Trust Fall, as it's better known). How am I drawing a target on anyone when the object of the mini-game is to name everybody as town? By that logic, any speculation whatsoever is painting a target on the backs of any town reads.
How is niju supposed to help if she bothers herself to sit down to read 5000+ posts in the short window she has available to her? She's a school teacher. Let's not torture her. I think players in general are perfectly capable of making reads and having an impact if they just thrust themselves into the thread blind. I think that strategy would be better for a player in her shoes right now. You seemed to make the same encouragement ("I don't expect her to read ALL the pages..."), so I again am left wondering what exactly the nature of your objection is.

Lastly, you seem to be playing it off in this post as if you did not express suspicion of me for these things yesterday, but...:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:55 am I'll extend that question to everyone, about everyone. I think this could be a useful exercise: in a brief answer, what reason do you have to read each player remaining in this game as town?

I think if I were to propose an idea like this I would be jumped on and lynched. However, with the way things are going, maybe ruling out those we trust will help us lynch scum. I just don't know. Gut tells me this approach is coming FROM scum to distract us from looking at clues in posts from those who have died recently.

This is a completely different objection than the one you just raised a moment ago.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:41 pm Man I woke up this morning thinking "hmm..... actually.... Sloonei is totally bad and has been playing us and I'm totally gonna vote for him" but apparently you guys think there's decent hints that cbob cop-checked him. Meh. Idk if I'm totally sold on that, but I'm also kinda tinfoiling hard rn and occam's razor is that Sloonei is town as town can be. Kyle is probably my next likely vote, but I haven't really figured out why I'm leaning that way either. Mostly I just feel way more lost as to who could be bad after the cbob flip than I have been for most of the game and I'm reconsidering some possibilities.

Sloonei, I don't really feel like doing your exercise and I honestly don't see how it's helpful. I don't think it's a helpful way of thinking about players or trying to solve the game. I'll just convince myself that everyone has some reason to be good and I'll never find scum that way. I'm not sure what you're getting out of this exercise but IMO people's answers so far have been total fluff and devoid of constructive gameplay. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe you're figuring out which players show a pattern of weakest/least reason to look civ, but I personally don't view this little game you set up as a particularly town way of solving the game. If anything it feels eerily similar to Jay urging everyone to do the GTHs, and he was bad.

What's your reasoning for looking at why people look town and figuring out which of those are weakest, instead of the other way around, looking at reasons everyone could look bad and seeing which are strongest?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:46 pm I agree with nutella that slooneis adventure to find civs is silly.

Not necessarily a declaration of suspicion, but given your previously established suspicion, and nutella's framing of her skepticism as basis for suspicious in the comment which you express agreement with here, I feel comfortable inferring here. Then, after all these dialogues that day:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:16 pm Wow, I was gone a few hours and there hasn't been much talk. I said this already. I think we need to go back to where we were before all the CFD (I think that's what you would call what has happened in just about all, if not all our lynches). Its like we have our mind made up and and then it gets changed at the end. I'm up for voting sig, kyle, or quin. I think those were the ones who had cases against them which were forgotten in the CFDs. But most of all, I'm up for sloonei. I think he took us down a rabbit trail today and wasted our time as I thought would happen. I cannot stay up late. I will be voting within the next hour.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:35 pm Even though I would rather vote sloon, I went with quin because he already has a vote. I hate to do that, but as y'all can see... I have two votes. I cannot stay up any longer to help save myself, so I'll do what I can. I'm telling y'all... I think we are doing these bad lynches to ourselves. We have all these suspects and all of a sudden today you are going to decide to leave that behind and vote for me. This is not helping.

So you can't honestly tell me that "nothing" has changed, and your claims that your objections to my play were only philosophical, because it's impossible to read these posts as anything other than suspicion, and now that's completely vanished with you telling me it was never there in the first place. But I'm staring right at it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:16 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:33 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:59 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:57 pm Have one more thing to say. Sloonei...I donthunk you're good. But I feelnlike you are really reaching with these last few posts/questions to me.

Is "donthunk" supposed to be "do think" or "don't think"?

Sorry... posted in a hurry. Do.

Thanks. What has changed in the last ~24 hours?

Nothing. I just said I though your "let's name the reasons why people arw civ" idea was silly. We're just saying, hey mafia...night kill this one! I thought your exercise would hinder, instead of help, civs. So...I called you out on it. I don't care who you are...if I feel I see something that isn't helping the civs find scum... I'm going to say something

I also thought you telling bloop not to qorry about reading the thread was a hindrance as well. How can ahw help hunt if ahw doesn't know what's going on.

Also, I never totally confirmed you as town, btw. I said that the thread has pretty much confirmed you town. You're the most trusted player, I think. Why would a mafia player attack a vocal player who isn't going to get lynched and had supported her in the game?

I don't understand your mindset regarding the town read exercise (or Operation Trust Fall, as it's better known). How am I drawing a target on anyone when the object of the mini-game is to name everybody as town? By that logic, any speculation whatsoever is painting a target on the backs of any town reads.
How is niju supposed to help if she bothers herself to sit down to read 5000+ posts in the short window she has available to her? She's a school teacher. Let's not torture her. I think players in general are perfectly capable of making reads and having an impact if they just thrust themselves into the thread blind. I think that strategy would be better for a player in her shoes right now. You seemed to make the same encouragement ("I don't expect her to read ALL the pages..."), so I again am left wondering what exactly the nature of your objection is.

Lastly, you seem to be playing it off in this post as if you did not express suspicion of me for these things yesterday, but...:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:55 am I'll extend that question to everyone, about everyone. I think this could be a useful exercise: in a brief answer, what reason do you have to read each player remaining in this game as town?

I think if I were to propose an idea like this I would be jumped on and lynched. However, with the way things are going, maybe ruling out those we trust will help us lynch scum. I just don't know. Gut tells me this approach is coming FROM scum to distract us from looking at clues in posts from those who have died recently.

This is a completely different objection than the one you just raised a moment ago.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:41 pm Man I woke up this morning thinking "hmm..... actually.... Sloonei is totally bad and has been playing us and I'm totally gonna vote for him" but apparently you guys think there's decent hints that cbob cop-checked him. Meh. Idk if I'm totally sold on that, but I'm also kinda tinfoiling hard rn and occam's razor is that Sloonei is town as town can be. Kyle is probably my next likely vote, but I haven't really figured out why I'm leaning that way either. Mostly I just feel way more lost as to who could be bad after the cbob flip than I have been for most of the game and I'm reconsidering some possibilities.

Sloonei, I don't really feel like doing your exercise and I honestly don't see how it's helpful. I don't think it's a helpful way of thinking about players or trying to solve the game. I'll just convince myself that everyone has some reason to be good and I'll never find scum that way. I'm not sure what you're getting out of this exercise but IMO people's answers so far have been total fluff and devoid of constructive gameplay. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe you're figuring out which players show a pattern of weakest/least reason to look civ, but I personally don't view this little game you set up as a particularly town way of solving the game. If anything it feels eerily similar to Jay urging everyone to do the GTHs, and he was bad.

What's your reasoning for looking at why people look town and figuring out which of those are weakest, instead of the other way around, looking at reasons everyone could look bad and seeing which are strongest?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:46 pm I agree with nutella that slooneis adventure to find civs is silly.

Not necessarily a declaration of suspicion, but given your previously established suspicion, and nutella's framing of her skepticism as basis for suspicious in the comment which you express agreement with here, I feel comfortable inferring here. Then, after all these dialogues that day:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:16 pm Wow, I was gone a few hours and there hasn't been much talk. I said this already. I think we need to go back to where we were before all the CFD (I think that's what you would call what has happened in just about all, if not all our lynches). Its like we have our mind made up and and then it gets changed at the end. I'm up for voting sig, kyle, or quin. I think those were the ones who had cases against them which were forgotten in the CFDs. But most of all, I'm up for sloonei. I think he took us down a rabbit trail today and wasted our time as I thought would happen. I cannot stay up late. I will be voting within the next hour.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:35 pm Even though I would rather vote sloon, I went with quin because he already has a vote. I hate to do that, but as y'all can see... I have two votes. I cannot stay up any longer to help save myself, so I'll do what I can. I'm telling y'all... I think we are doing these bad lynches to ourselves. We have all these suspects and all of a sudden today you are going to decide to leave that behind and vote for me. This is not helping.

So you can't honestly tell me that "nothing" has changed, and your claims that your objections to my play were only philosophical, because it's impossible to read these posts as anything other than suspicion, and now that's completely vanished with you telling me it was never there in the first place. But I'm staring right at it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:33 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:59 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:57 pm Have one more thing to say. Sloonei...I donthunk you're good. But I feelnlike you are really reaching with these last few posts/questions to me.

Is "donthunk" supposed to be "do think" or "don't think"?

Sorry... posted in a hurry. Do.

Thanks. What has changed in the last ~24 hours?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:59 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:57 pm Have one more thing to say. Sloonei...I donthunk you're good. But I feelnlike you are really reaching with these last few posts/questions to me.

Is "donthunk" supposed to be "do think" or "don't think"?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:25 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:02 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:48 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:20 pm I don't know about sig. I think that he may be civ. I can't see him up and leaving his team.

I think blooper could be bad. But if so, "that's bad luck 'ol boy" for our mafia team. Thirs person in that slot with really no participation. Did blooper even post more than once? I don't think she did.

why is sig possibly good and blooper possibly bad?

Did I not just answer this?

Not really. You gave a soft answer for sig, but your answer for ninja isn't much more than shrug.

That role has had three players and one post. What am I supposed to do but shrug? You're crazy if you use that against me. My daughter wants me ti straighten her hair. I will possibly be back later. Not sure how much time I'll have.

I asked for your opinion on two players and you committed to opposite stances on the two of them. I just want to know why that is. Sig is unlikely to have bailed on his teammates, but the combination of glorf/inh/blooper is not?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:02 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:48 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:20 pm I don't know about sig. I think that he may be civ. I can't see him up and leaving his team.

I think blooper could be bad. But if so, "that's bad luck 'ol boy" for our mafia team. Thirs person in that slot with really no participation. Did blooper even post more than once? I don't think she did.

why is sig possibly good and blooper possibly bad?

Did I not just answer this?

Not really. You gave a soft answer for sig, but your answer for ninja isn't much more than shrug.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:48 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:20 pm I don't know about sig. I think that he may be civ. I can't see him up and leaving his team.

I think blooper could be bad. But if so, "that's bad luck 'ol boy" for our mafia team. Thirs person in that slot with really no participation. Did blooper even post more than once? I don't think she did.

why is sig possibly good and blooper possibly bad?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:25 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:18 pm I want to try an ISO or two. I can of course go to page one and click on a specific player's post. But on my phone, I cannot search said posts for anything specific. And with the number of posts people have it's going to be difficult. But I'm still going to try. I'll start by looking at wilgy (I know several of you have done so already) and seen what kind of connections I can find with others. Worth a shot, I guess. I have about an hour before I have to get ready to leave.

If you're using the chrome app you can tap the 3 dots in the upper right corner and select the "find in page" option, I've been using it a lot.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:41 am It's 3 AM and I really should be going to bed, but instead here's a thought that's been bugging me all day long and I need to get out of my system:
Wilgy slipped a completely vague suspicion of me into the thread during Night 5. It was the first time I'd faced an ounce of scrutiny in a while. Eloh responded to say that "the thread has pretty much confirmed" me as town, and the doctor responds with a bogus cryptic hint toward something:

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:31 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:59 pm Can anyone tell me why I have a bad read on Sloonei? I want to see what you think.

I don't know why you had a bad read on sloonei. But I think the thread has pretty much confirmed him town now. I cannot remember the exact reason why, though. Too much to remember.

Perhaps I'll find out why tonight.

I got the increasing sense over the course of this day that this was a bogus suspicion being pushed in an unsuccessful attempt to sully my good name. In my paranoid narcissism, Elohcin is also complicit in the evildoing. Early on she pushed me as a suspect (I was peddling "nonsense" because I suspected for an inconsistent rainbow. That's a real sentence I just typed with a straight face), but dropped it in the middle portion of the game. It seemed to me like she was kind of just following Epi's lead. He cleared me, and so she fell in line with his belief. But then wilgy came out of left field with a bogus attack on me, one which I now feel was probably pre-meditated. This was as meaty as it got:

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:23 am Hey Sloonei. Not much. I had a notion that you were bad based on your behavior around the J3 lynch and the Malk lynch.

I remembered behavior that seemed like buddy-ing towards Malk and his flip revealed that it may have been the case.

I also recall you being a defactor during the J3 lynch.

Other than that, I haven't read much and feel like I'm hindering everyone. Sorry.

If this was indeed a pre-meditated attack on me, it might not be a leap to assume that his teammate(s) could also be in on it, as the scum team thinks they see an avenue to push my lynch. Maybe they've tried to kill me and failed and want to get rid of me this way instead. Or something. I don't know. The point is, today it seemed like everything I said was met by objection and criticism from Elohcin. Observe:

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:57 am and welcome nijuukyugou, thanks for stepping in. Do not worry about trying to read all of this nonsense. This is already the biggest speed game in syndicate history. It'll be pointless and counterproductive to attempt a catch up. Just hop right in and start telling us who seems honest or dishonest.

I don't know if this is the best advice. Seems kind of idd for you to tell her not to worry about reading any previous content. I mean, I don't expect her to read ALL the pages, but still.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:55 am I'll extend that question to everyone, about everyone. I think this could be a useful exercise: in a brief answer, what reason do you have to read each player remaining in this game as town?

I think if I were to propose an idea like this I would be jumped on and lynched. However, with the way things are going, maybe ruling out those we trust will help us lynch scum. I just don't know. Gut tells me this approach is coming FROM scum to distract us from looking at clues in posts from those who have died recently.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:12 pm I'd still like it if as many of us as are able could list reasons to read everybody as town. I have a reason for asking this, and the more people who do it, the more potentially useful the exercise is.

But why can't you just come right out and tell us your plan?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:46 pm I agree with nutella that slooneis adventure to find civs is silly.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:16 pm Wow, I was gone a few hours and there hasn't been much talk. I said this already. I think we need to go back to where we were before all the CFD (I think that's what you would call what has happened in just about all, if not all our lynches). Its like we have our mind made up and and then it gets changed at the end. I'm up for voting sig, kyle, or quin. I think those were the ones who had cases against them which were forgotten in the CFDs. But most of all, I'm up for sloonei. I think he took us down a rabbit trail today and wasted our time as I thought would happen. I cannot stay up late. I will be voting within the next hour.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:35 pm Even though I would rather vote sloon, I went with quin because he already has a vote. I hate to do that, but as y'all can see... I have two votes. I cannot stay up any longer to help save myself, so I'll do what I can. I'm telling y'all... I think we are doing these bad lynches to ourselves. We have all these suspects and all of a sudden today you are going to decide to leave that behind and vote for me. This is not helping.

She's back to pushing me as her preferred suspect even though a couple of days ago I was "pretty much confirmed town", and any suggestion I make in the thread is opposed because... I don't know, Elohcin's just opposing everything I say.

It's worth noting that I also sensed some of the same attitude from nutella, but from her it seemed more like paranoid skepticism than Eloh's outright rejection of my ideas. Nutella classified her suspicion of me as "tinfoil" and actually provided a reason or two for wanting to avoid the exercise I was trying to lead. Plus she's generally been pro-Sloonei during this game.

i'm sleeping now.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:05 pm
OK let's conclude. First of all, sorry if my sarcastic tone may have offended you at some point, Eloh. I usually act like that when I ISO someone. It's not personal.

dude, you're cool, man. I'm not sure how civ you are after LC's ISO, but your cool.

Second: Eloh does not go hard at Wilgy or Jay. She went at Wilgy a little at first, but she also read him good not much before, and went back to reading him good later. With Jay, it's more like a near complete avoidance.

I never really go hard at anyone. And by this, I mean I don't usually build strong, in depth cases on anyone. I always read Jay as civ. He is juat alwaya a helpful player. And I should have seen the difference in him this game as possible baddie behavior. But from what I knew, he usually seems helpful whether civ or scum. So, with this understanding, I just assumed dunya was right and that his odd inactivity was due to rl stuff instead of scummyness.

She doesn't look good here, if you apply the theory that scum doesn't attack scum. But if you expect bussing, she's not doing that either. This possible bad Eloh doesn't bus her teammates, she tiptoes around them while trying to hit someone else or just avoids them. So there is some degree of WIFOM.

I'm hesitating to lynch her because I generally suck at lynching her and it usually ends with some ugly "Eloh was busy and we lynched her for that" which makes me feel bad. The silver lining is that, despite her constant claims about being busy, she is actually putting a pretty high post output in this game. It's low compared to most players, but that's because you all are fucking insane which is not her fault.

listen... I'm always busy. Always. I love my life, don't get me wrong. My family is absolutely amazing and they are my life. Maybe I should vow to never say I'm busy again in mafia. Thing is...peopel get onto me for not participating like them and I feel the need to explain. I have put a lot into thia game because it's been so long since I had played antrue mafia game.
Cc123 went on forever and felt like it was for nothing. I wanted to come into the game and participate the hell out of it. Then, I went from 1 order to 4 in a matter of hours laat Saturday afternoon. So.. I tries to keep up despite of it. I really wanted to have fun with this game...and I have.

It annoys me how she buddies people. Everyone. A lot. I feel like she has buddied me alone at least 5 times. But I don't remember if Civ Eloh or baddie Eloh usually do that, if you guys wanna point that out I'll be thankful.

i guess if you call agreeing with someone buddying, then yeah... I do it both as a civ and scum.
Meaning...it has nothing to do with my allignment. When I see a post I agree with... I say so. Its not intentional buddying per se. As a civ, I say if Inagree with someone else's read. As a baddie, I say if I agree with someone else's read. When a baddie, however...of course I know who is bad and civ. So when I'm agreeing... I'm saying, "yeah...that player's behavior looks bad or that player's behavior looks good.

I'm also taking everything with a grain of salt because there is obviously some confirmation bias here and I haven't ISO'd anyone else. I got curious since other people mentioned her interactions with WIlgy made her bad and decided to check. But well, it's done, not gonna delete this post.

So in conclusion. I'll maybe lynch her. If I can overcome my general empathy and paranoia over having mislynched her in the past. And if I Quin doesn't say some uber scummy shit again in the next 36 hours.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:36 pm @Elohcin what are your views on LC and Dr Wilgy?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:55 pm Mafia don't win the game by bussing their teammates and relaxing though. They also have to keep attention drawn towards civs. That's why it's worth paying attention to Jay's earlier posts.

Has anyone been mafio with Jay before? How did he treat you and your kin?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:47 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:42 pm You get on me for a speedy, upchucked rainbow list

Don't blame me for this.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:22 pm speedchuck - I can't put my finger on it yet (and also I haven't had a chance to really iso speed yet but I will), but there's something here that doesn't add up. He doesn't seem focused and in townie mode to me. I feel like sometimes he's intentionally trying to distance himself from the thread. I want to go back and see how likely a JJJ/speedchuck pairing would be, but I can see it. He's going to be my first focus.

Elochin - What I particularly didn't like, however, was how she clarified that she's not active as either Town or Scum (yesterday) to me. It felt almost as an early defence. She keeps throwing her activity around, when it wasn't he activity that I was accusing her off solely. I mean, I did say I found it odd how she has posted loads about not having time and what she has to do, but still. I called her out on a lot of inconsistencies too. I can't town read her, sorry. Sorry if I'm wrong, because I get how you have kids and a husband and a job. But like, have those things too and she yourself said her activity level is not alignment indicative, so, I'll go with my scum read on her and sorry if I'm wrong. I still think placing Dom as a top suspect before INH in the list she made was really odd too, regardless of how early it was and especially how early in the game it was: she wanted Dom lynched before INH. She made a concious decision in that regard.

nijuu - sorry, but like, out of sig and you, I think you're the last scum. I hope you can convince us to look elsewhere.

so basically, speed, eloh and nilju are my current scum reads. If one of them isn't, I'd look into Kyle first because I am basing most of my read on what I think a scum Kyle wouldn't resort to in a reaction, but I could be wrong.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:24 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:14 am Blah. I'm waffling again. Epi is convincing and he's had pretty good instincts so far. But unfortunately I'm going to bed so I've got to make up my mind.

quin

Final answer.

@dunya I'd look into quin, DDL, and Wilgy (who's oddly gotten a total pass the last couple of days)

Near the end of the day dunya asked cbob if he flipped civ what players he'd look at. He listed these three. If he received a sketchy result he'd probably list them in that post.

Also I don't agree with the idea that cbobs 2 shot cop check is useless just because one check only tells lies and the other only tells truths. It's different than usual sure but either way he learns something about both players, and if one of his checks dies or is otherwise confirmed, his other check becomes absolute.

2 civ reads means one of his checks is mafia
1 mafia and 1 civ read means either both checks are mafia or both checks are civ(mathematically the ladder is more possible, unless cbob is a cop god)
2 mafia reads, a 50-50 shot just like 2 civ reads

No matter which of those happened it would have altered the course of his actions.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:21 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:33 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:28 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:31 am RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

I'm having a hard time trusting anyone at this point and that's sad this late in the game.

Let's talk about why we think mafia would kill epi. Do you think we can glean any info from that?

He was one of the most civ looking players in the game.

If that was the reason, they'd have targeted nutella or sloonei imo.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:12 pm I'd still like it if as many of us as are able could list reasons to read everybody as town. I have a reason for asking this, and the more people who do it, the more potentially useful the exercise is.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:38 pm Y'all are insane. Absolutely insane.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:33 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:28 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:31 am RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

I'm having a hard time trusting anyone at this point and that's sad this late in the game.

Let's talk about why we think mafia would kill epi. Do you think we can glean any info from that?

He was one of the most civ looking players in the game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:55 am I'll extend that question to everyone, about everyone. I think this could be a useful exercise: in a brief answer, what reason do you have to read each player remaining in this game as town?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:31 am RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:57 am and welcome @nijuukyugou, thanks for stepping in. Do not worry about trying to read all of this nonsense. This is already the biggest speed game in syndicate history. It'll be pointless and counterproductive to attempt a catch up. Just hop right in and start telling us who seems honest or dishonest.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:05 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:00 am I'm not actually thinking that, I'm just debunking any fool proof logic with "there was 5 votes on Quin...why did we stop"

That was not an attempt to "foolproof" anything.

That was a question. And I'm asking it to everyone:

Why did we stop?

this is actually a really good question that's been bugging me. we haven't followed up on a lynch attempt once.

there's so many players that have been close to being lynched and then were saved by CFD's within hours of the end post and even when they were the top suspect the previous day? the next day we just move on to something else. Im pretty sure cbob was the only player to be lynched who was previously in the running to be lynched on days before.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:59 pm Was Quin civ or bad in CC123?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:45 am I don't need new theories.

We were lynching Quin last night. There were 5 votes on him.

Why did we stop, and why can't we come back?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:39 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:28 pm Dunya...before I go to bed... I don't put as much time into mafia as you do. We cannot all do that. I am responsible for three (possibly 4 if you count epi) lives other than my own. For their education, discipline, and well being. I have not made any in depth cases for anyone. I rarely do. But, I share my opinion often of what's going down in the thread and I participate as much as possible, and I vote! I'm here to help as much as I can. You can't punish me for being mediocre. I'm much better for the civs than INH, sig, and other non-participants.

I really am sorry for my continued paranoia. It's just that I've personally lost to scum who would make valid "I'm so busy, I'm so sorry, life is crazy" excuses to me before and it hurts more than losing to someone who fools you, you know? I know you live with Epi and Epi verified your excuse but it isn't really alignment indicative to me. I will look further than the first page of your ISOs and see how I feel. I have a night phase I can relax a little and look at things more objectively and now that we have a townie cBob, we have more data to sift through.