The Syndicate

FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Was there a list of recruits?
Yeah, I have that too.
Can I have a milkshake?
We're out of milk.
He can give you milk. Though I have no idea if a milkshake based on a llama's milk is any good

Hilarious. But isn't llama a male llama? I wouldn't think he could give milk.

SUCH a fun game Epi. Thank you to everyone who made it so fun!

bea wrote:I feel very torn and upset by this whole thing. Because I guess I keep thinking I know where the line is and then I over step it. I honestly don't think I did anything wrong this game. If anyone wants to search my posts and PLEASE tell me where I did anything wrong. Do it and PM it to me because I want to be a better player and I *though* was was becoming one.

I literally feel sick to my stomach that I helped make this game so unenjoyable for so many people. I want to get better but if I'm not shown better ways of playing things, I can't learn. Show me how civ bts was played better. Then I can learn.

BTSC was hit or miss for Bea and I b/c of busy schedules I suppose. After Bea had posted about her trust in me since receiving her role PM, I felt the need to reciprocate so that you all didn't suspect her wrongly. It got out of hand I guess, but I didn't realize it at the time. Like Bea, I didn't know I was doing anything wrong. I read through the rules several times before posting about my trust of Bea. I wanted to make sure I was not role outing whatsoever. And really, I didn't. No one knew we were gleeok. However, I hate that our explicit trust of each other ruined fun for others and I apologize for it.

this is nuts!

I think we just ought to lynch DH tomorrow. I think getting the info. from his lynch would be best for us.

Cool. Anyone know why the day ended early? Do we know how many baddies we have left? Bea, you seemed to think the game would end if Mongoose was bad. Why's that?

taking everything into consideration that's been said since the last host post.....I am voting for who is dead.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Interesting poll... seems like a resurrection poll.

We should attempt to discern who corresponds to which option. I presume dead players perhaps submitted a thought that then corresponds to them on the poll?

Or is it something else?

That or perhaps even something they said while alive. Maybe we ought to search their posts.

I hate we were wrong about boom :/ I was so on the fence too...I could have easily went with Mongoose. What does this mean for you MP? Will you be taking another one of us out with a NK now?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Besides, S~V~S, you're my recruit, so the irony in your statement is amusing to me. :P
So, SVS and Boom are recruits. Who else you got?
Are they?

Nonetheless, I think I've said enough.

I'm just messin' with ya.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Besides, S~V~S, you're my recruit, so the irony in your statement is amusing to me. :P

So, SVS and Boom are recruits. Who else you got?

I'm torn on who to vote for. Both seem like good candidates. I will go with Boom which will tie it up.

I am posting here so I can find my place when I return. I have had the thread open since about 9am, maybe earlier, and have been reading a bit here and there throughout the day as my kids and I did school. For some reason, the day has flown by and it took use much longer than usual to complete assignments. I really don't have anything to add to the thread atm, but I did want to ask DH if he would quote the place where Boom said what he said to try and gain civvie cred.

zeek wrote:Ermm...

Guess that means Roxy, Russ or INH was a Suit.

How do you figure?

@MP...does this mean we will see no more "so-and-so was killed by Tyler"

Snow Dog wrote:
zeek wrote:Pfft, even I know who the twins are who are conjoined by the head.

I don't know if that makes you feel superior, knowing something like this that some of us didn't know. I frankly could not give a toss that I was ignorant of this.

not at the head...that was part of my point

. Bea and I haven't always voted together. We have our own brains.

quiet this evening.

well...I guess that is second best to getting a baddie, eh?

timmer wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Abby and Brittany!
I have no idea what this means, but it's all good, I'm done suspecting you two.

google is your friend

I voted niju.

Just to confirm that I am not doing anything against the rules...

Epignosis wrote:A Champion abides by these...

1. No BTSC (Behind the Scenes Contact/Conversation) with anyone other than your specified BTSC partners. BTSC takes place in a specific assigned chatzy. If I say your BTSC is interrupted or over, don't access it until I inform you otherwise.
2. No editing or deleting of posts.
3. No role outing of yourself or anyone else.
4. No double-targeting (targeting the same individual with a power twice in a row).
5. Be respectful and remember that this is a game.
6. Dead players should not post on-topic and should be in dead red. There is a "dead" button when posting for this function.
7. Off-topic posts should be in off-topic green. There is an "OT" button when posting for this function.
8. Posts from non-players should be in non-player blue. There is a "np" button when posting for this function.
9. This is your host's color. All host posts will be in this color. Don't use it!

Additionally:

10. No team PMs are permitted. This is the Game of Champions. Killers will need to include in their PMs that they are the ones conducting the kill. If I receive a subsequent PM from a teammate saying he or she is conducting the kill, I will accept that as the latest of the team's wishes. Communicate with your team.
11. As this is the Game of Champions, and our moderating staff are all winners participating in this event, I will also be functioning as the "Mod on Duty." If you have a question, concern, need to report unsportsmanlike behavior, or just need to vent, I'm here. Aside from seeing people have fun, I have no vested interest here.
12. All votes may be changed before the deadline (any exceptions will be made clear).
13. Without a doctor's note (i.e., a valid reason), there will be no replacements. You signed up. Now dance!
14. No posting the contents of PMs.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Question for Epig: There are still only 30 roles listed but there are 31 players. Will a 31st role be revealed?

Abby and Brittany!

Actually the funny thing is, even though we are civ, I don't think y'all have ANY clue on who we are.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Bea wrote:I can't think of a way to do it without infodumping.
Man, that would be terrible if you or Eloh infodumped wouldn't it. Golly.

timmer wrote:So the Hatter is thus telling us that Elohcin, (scrap-of-a-name, which makes sense as Bea if Eloh is on this list), SVS and Mongoose are bad?

I don't see why we would trust him, but it's interesting.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who would recruit Elohcin, Mongoose, and S~V~S (and someone else), anyway? Those all seem like choices that someone would make based on people who weren't necessarily attracting much suspicion. And if the Hatter recruits every night, how could he only have four recruits by last night?

Can someone explain to me where all this is coming from? I must have missed something big! And, if I am all of a sudden a baddie, it's news to me.

timmer wrote:Bea/Eloh, you've previously said that you were each other were civs not just on Day 0, but even before, during signups. I'm going to need you to elaborate on this somehow. I don't see how this makes sense if it's not how I thought it could in my earlier posts. And the two of you voted together both times to possibly help a sorcerer out of a lynch. I need to better understand what you are saying, or else this all starts to seem fishy, and today is making me very paranoid about a lot of things.

Bea signed up very late if I remember correctly. I don't know if I can say that I knew she was civ since "sign-ups" but definitely knew when I got my role PM.

lots of linki I will read in a moment

timmer wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
zeek wrote:timmer - I'd like your thoughts on bea and Elo, who you trust, who you don't.
Earlier in the game, Timmer had a few thoughts on Bea I was not really agreeing with. So i would be interested in hearing this, too.
Okay, so I've picked this apart to the nth fucking degree, and here is my thoughts about Bea and Elohcin.

They are flat out stating that they have known they are each civ since before Day 0. Since sign-ups, apparently. There are only two ways I can see that would match this. Obviously, if they were baddie teammates and were going some kind of gambit. And second, and this is the one they are clearly suggesting, if they were The Doctor and "his companion". The Doctor's role doesn't explicitly state that he gets to pick a civ to have BTSC with, but if that's not what they are suggesting, I don't know what else it could be. So, I'll flat out say it. they are basically hinting constantly that they are the Doctor and companion. As an aside, I'm not sure why they are being this blatant about it, or when it became cool to hint so obviously that it is essentially a self-outing which is against the rules, but that's more for post-game talk than anything.

So the question becomes... could this be a gambit? Could they be bad, and are playing some kind of ploy?

I attacked it based on the idea "what if they are lying?" and at first, I thought I found something, LOL. Bea and Elohcin have only voted together twice all game (in lynch polls). BOTH times it was during a lynch where a sorcerer was either getting lynched, or threatened to be lynched. They both voted Bass instead of Dom. And they both voted DH instead of Snowy. So, you think, OMG what if they are playing us for fools and came up with a clever way to tell the truth about being baddie teammates, sorcerers, to fool face of boe?!?!?

But it's not the truth.

Because Bea first made explicit "I trust Elohcin" comments on Night 2. Which was right BEFORE the sorcerers made their first kill in the game (INH). So the ONLY way I could see Bea and Elohcin being bad at ALL is if INH was actually the Doctor, they killed him, learned from their baddie role that knows the ID of those they kill that he WAS the doctor, and assumed that identity. But they couldn't, because they hadn't killed him yet.

In summary, while I don't feel good about how flippant they are being with the rules... I believe Bea and Elohcin to be who they are strongly hinting they are.

Let me just say that you are very cold. We're flippant b/c really its not a big deal - the reason we know we are both civ. And, yes, we haven't been voting together much b/c we each have our own brain. Kind-of like Abby and Brittany.

As for today's lynch....I think Blooper is a good choice. But I am willing to vote other places too. I have a bad gut feeling about Mongoose. She doesn't have any specific incriminating evidence against her really, but her tone sounds bad to me.

I'm here to catch up! I just spent close to 20 hours (over the past three days) on one cake and I am beat. I am interested to see why zeek voted for mongoose already. I have to say, I have had a bad gut feeling about her since close to the beginning but you can't really go off of gut this late in the game.

zeek wrote:
linki - Info dump.

It's nothing that hasn't already been said.

DharmaHelper wrote:On the Sorcerer angle, lets take a look at the Bass voters and see if anything pops out:

Bass_the_Clever
9
Elohcin (3), Dom (4), Boomslang (10), zeek (11), bea (12), nijuukyugou (14), Russtifinko (16), juliets (17), Roxy (19)

Dom is obviously a Sorcerer

Boomslang I've expressed suspicion might be a Sorcerer given the distancing with Dom and the sketchy WIFOM comments

Russ and Roxy are both dead and not likely to have been Sorcerers

So the list is then:

Eloh
Boomslang
Zeek
Bea
Blooper

Can anyone think of anything that discounts anyone of these guys from being a Sorcerer? The narrower we can get our search the better.

I think this is a good thing to consider. However, you can take Bea and I out of he mix. We are both civ. Ever since I got my role PM, I've known we are both civ. So...that narrows it down to...

Boomslang
Zeek
Blooper

MovingPictures07 wrote:
timmer wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Sigh. If you guys think Daisy is bad, by all means, but I just can't believe there is anyone still in this thread actually suspecting her, let alone multiple people.

And I already addressed why that argument makes little sense, S~V~S. At the time of that kill, Mr. Boddy and his teammate were both alive. Mr. Boddy has showed signs of being active all game, even up until not long before that, so it makes ZERO sense for both teammates to drop the kill. The only explanation that actually makes sense is an inactive Suit.
If there were only two members left, Mr. Boddy and an inactive player, I'm sure that Made, as Boddy, would have submitted a kill on his own. He'd done all of the other kills anyway. So my guess is that the other member is NOT inactive, but rather that they are trying to make it seem like they are.
That would make complete sense if it weren't for the fact that Made's participation in the last couple of cycles has been spotty at best.

That said, he was actually around on N7, so it's possible my theory is flawed. I just don't see it making any sense -- why would a team of two stop killing when clearly one of them was active up until recently, and there are no players who recently have dropped off the game?

Another sound argument from timmer. MP, I believe Made's "spotty at best" participation was most likely b/c he was under suspicion with no real defense to give.

S~V~S wrote:Or a Tyler with a Narrator. I have intentionally dropped kills, or missed targets. There are several possibilities; what you say is one of them. I am not sure I believe it, and TBH, the more you defend her, the more I distrust her. She should be in here saying this stuff. Saying who she suspects if not me & Bea. I gave her a chance last time, and all she could say was me, Bea & low posters.

^^ What she said. ^^

Oh, and I pick cowboy had...the one one I look half-way decent in.

MP, you've been so wishy washy on DH. I don't trust you.

My top suspects are bloop, boom, mongoose, and daisy atm. Sorry, that's all I have time to say right now, but I don't think there needs to be much explanation. I do think the last suit could be an inactive player as MP has said, but then again, as I read his post about that, it makes me wonder if Daisy is the last suit and he is just indirectly defending her.

I don't have time to read atm, busy day. But....I wanted to say YAY about the lynch

I will catch up this evening!

I changed to made.....lets see who follows and how he responds.

You don't have to all start making fun of me now

If any of yall say you never dream about mafia....I will tell you you are lying

haha....sometimes I will try to roll epi over cause he is snoring and he will tell me who to lynch.

I know....thats what I though....but then I thought I remembered reading a long post where you changed your mind like you suddenly had new info. I must have dreamed it.

Long Con wrote:Let's not lynch Spacedaisy today.

Let's lynch DharmaHelper, Made, or at least a non-participator today.

I always feel sad and sympathetically frustrated when a player gives up and says we should lynch them. I believe that Spacedaisy is legit, and I like Spacedaisy, and I want to win with Spacedaisy.

I must have too much going on (laundry, cleaning, 25 hours of cake making, school, kids dental appts, homeschool group activity, and a preggo friend of mine is having a really hard time, so I am going to try to make time to go over there and help her with all of her household/homeschool responsibilities as well) and am quite confused. I thought you were trusting DH now.

I am up for a made vote and will switch there is others want to.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think Sorry and Sad should be used instead of baddie forever.

Oh, and I second this

First off, Daisy's attitude of giving up is surprising to me. Daisy, can you go through Juliets case on you that you say is taken out of context and give us the specifics?

timmer wrote:For wot it is worf, I loike me case against made better. I put the case against ya equal ter the wahn against blooper. bof a step daahhhn wot I clock against made.

I can clock why people 're votin' ya, and I would not House To Let against ya bein' Sorry and Sad. but I won't be votin' ya today, I loike me Jack Jones stuff better.

I agree with MP in that there are several suspects on my list....more than the number of baddies left. Then, there are those I eel I can fully trust as well. Daisy could be right that there is one among the "trustworthy" that is fooling the rest of us. But even if she is, I think we need to focus on those we feel have played a baddie game first. I mean, if we just forget about those we suspect and begin going after those we trust just to see if we can find the one who is fooling the rest of us....now THAT would be foolish. In fact, maybe Daisy is saying that to throw us off our tracks. Maybe she wants us to begin suspecting one another instead of all the others we suspect.

Boom, Daisy, Made, Blooper.....I'm okay with lynching any of those. I still suspect DH as well, but the fact that LC trusts him so much makes me want to try to trust him too.

timmer wrote:
Elohcin wrote:well..I have to say that I actually understand a lot of what timmer is saying. I think its the best insanifier I've seen yet. I just want to know what he is actually saying when it translates "sorry and sad." Hilarious!
Sna Cherry Hogg, dom, dfaraday and Beggar Boys Face 're Sorry and Sad!!!

I think I got it all except "Beggar"

well..I have to say that I actually understand a lot of what timmer is saying. I think its the best insanifier I've seen yet. I just want to know what he is actually saying when it translates "sorry and sad." Hilarious!

zeek wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Or maybe I'm just fucking with all of you.

That's up to you to decide.
Trolling.

I agree it's unlikely but I think we can agree stranger stuff happens in Mafia than a team intentionally not killing. I don't see your logic though, because one Suit may be inactive it's a good idea to essentially pick randomly to lynch one? That's D1 shit, not D8. If that's true, lynch Boddy and the Suit kill is gone until the inactive one is found.

linki - Just seeing if this was an emotional argument against lynching Daisy.

I agree with a lot of this. MP your playstyle is really weird this game. I do not trust you (as I know I have said before).

MovingPictures07 wrote:I live with her every day. I just have not once questioned her intentions this game. They have completely read me as 100% genuine. And I am well known for being paranoid for Daisy, but I am just not seeing it here. She's WAY too careful of a baddie for the "evidence" to incriminate her as such an easy teammate. It just is not Daisy.

There really is no substance in this statement.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, S~V~S, fine. But then you or NO ONE ELSE can say I didn't warn you. I don't know why I care so much anyway, I don't need the civilians to win.

I just can't help wanting them to win.

And this....this just sounds like bull shit.

Now....all that aside...the Boom case really outweighs any other atm imo. I'm kind of shocked that I seem to be agreeing with DH's posts lately. *votes Boom*

@Epi - since there was nothing about a target in the night post,

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Does that mean the two remaining Suits could be someone completely inactive and someone mostly active but just so happened to miss this last PM?

Good to know I wasn't the only one missing the questions.

Missing intentionally? There were only baddies to vote for. Why would intentionally missing help someone's case?

timmer wrote:I think I understand what bea and eloh are saying, though I'm not sure, but if I'm right about it, I'm not sure why they are being so cavalier about talking about it like this.

Right now, I trust zeek based on gameplay. I trust MP - in the sense that I know what he has to do in this game and thus I know how his actions affect me and the rest of us. I trust S~V~S based on a logical assumption. I trust Long Con based on a hunch. I think I trust Bea and Elohcin, though that's another hunch.

I do not trust Daisy. Or Nijuu. I don't really trust DH because of side factors, i.e. what others think of him. I don't trust any of the silent players and cannot stand that they have give-up playing (and don't believe that a game mechanic would simply have wiped out so many players' ability to play).

Everyone else is in a gray area.

That's where I'm at.

Wow, I basically agree with everything said there. I am less sure of MP and more sure of Bea and myself though.

bea wrote:
zeek wrote:I understand the weaknesses in the arguments that got Snowy lynched, so voting elsewhere is not by itself that worrying. Obviously, however, that also meant his teammates could now use that as cover for not voting for him. I haven't forgotten about the Suits but I think this lynch will be helpful, in combination with Bass-Dom, in determining who the Sorcerers are. But then I thought Snowy was a Suit using this type of analysis!

bea, you seem very civ on the surface but obviously you're still on the Sorcerer list. I'm starting to really pay attention to your closeness to Elo in this game as well. I'll be re-reading both of you.
Please pay attention to my closeness to elo - ask yourself when did i start trusting her and why?

If you sill think I'm bad. Then by all means lynch me. I'm not afraid of death this game. I've been more outspoken than I normally play because I'm not afraid of death this game

I've trusted bea since Day 0, maybe even before

She is the only one I have trusted for that long. Hopefully that's not TMI. However, there doesn't seem to be such a thing in this game.

awesome guys. I am so bad at reading snowy. I am glad we got him though.

I am voting DH for now. I can see the case on Snow...but I am not convinced.

zeek wrote:Voting Snow Dog for now, but open to a DH vote as well.

Elo - I'm not bad, why am I on that list?

Process of elimination. Basically, out of the dom/bass lynch voters, you are in my unknown category like Juliets. You were the only two left to pick from that had voted. But....I would put Made being bad before you for sure. Russ had just made a stink about how he thought EVERY baddie would have voted in the dom/bass lynch.

bea wrote:I believe.that.svs.can only be.one.of.two.roles. snape and voldy - it makes much more.sense.with the.Potter.lore.for.svs.to.be.snaps.than it.does voldy - if you go.back and look at.what.happened when after.the bass.Lynch.it makes sense.

I thought you said you were almost sure SVS was civ, now you are saying you think she could be Voldy?

Mongoose wrote:
juliets wrote:I prefer to fold in the people who didn't vote who had been active (i.e., not Lizzy). Bass didn't vote because he was away from home. But also Mongoose didn't vote because she was away from home (I think - is that when you were on vacation Mongoose) and then there is Made. Made, why didn't you vote? Just because they didn't vote doesn't make them good and I don't think the standard holds up that all baddies voted when some didn't because they were not around.
True, I was on vacation from early morning June 14th (Weds) through nighttime June 18 (Sunday).

WOW! I wish it were June in NC. It's freezing here.

juliets wrote:I prefer to fold in the people who didn't vote who had been active (i.e., not Lizzy). Bass didn't vote because he was away from home. But also Mongoose didn't vote because she was away from home (I think - is that when you were on vacation Mongoose) and then there is Made. Made, why didn't you vote? Just because they didn't vote doesn't make them good and I don't think the standard holds up that all baddies voted when some didn't because they were not around.

I agree with you. That was the point I made, but Russ made a good point for all baddies voting to keep their teammate alive.

Snow Dog wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
As far as the Dom/Bass lynch...here are the results.

Bass_the_Clever (9 votes) -
Elohcin (3), Dom (4), Boomslang (10), zeek (11), bea (12), nijuukyugou (14), Russtifinko (16), juliets (17), Roxy (19)

Dom (7 votes) -
Long Con (5), Spacedaisy (6), DharmaHelper (8), timmer (9), Turnip Head (13), S~V~S (15), Snow Dog (18)

Derp...I didn't take DF into consideration. New list...

If all baddies voted in this poll....my guess is....

Suits -
Vince - DF
Warden - Bass
Preacher and Boddy - DH, and SD or SD

Sorcerers -
Bavmorda - Dom
Volde, Necro, and Crowley - Boomslang, Niju, zeek or jules
You sure you ain't on that list?

Very.

Elohcin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
As far as the Dom/Bass lynch...here are the results.

Bass_the_Clever (9 votes) -
Elohcin (3), Dom (4), Boomslang (10), zeek (11), bea (12), nijuukyugou (14), Russtifinko (16), juliets (17), Roxy (19)

Dom (7 votes) -
Long Con (5), Spacedaisy (6), DharmaHelper (8), timmer (9), Turnip Head (13), S~V~S (15), Snow Dog (18)

Derp...I didn't take DF into consideration.

New list...

If all baddies voted in this poll....my guess is....

Suits -
Vince - DF
Warden - Bass
Preacher and Boddy - DH, and SD or SD

Sorcerers -
Bavmorda - Dom
Volde, Necro, and Crowley - Boomslang, Niju, zeek or jules

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