The Syndicate

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:03 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:56 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:48 pm Can i know the reason for that laugh emote @Krusty the Clown?

Otto's line about the Lisa wagon giving him creeps. Makes me chuckle, cuz he's full of it.

Full of chuckles or creeps?
Go reread the minutes bruh. I voted Lisa then justified pulling off it in thread while talking with Burns.
I told him we had bad juju and that lead ne to thinking.
And then after Lisa's flip I realized you'd been in on 3 town yeets
Then thought to myself - he's only ever that bad as scum.
Now you're spending all your time trying to discredit/laugh at/mock me and not doing anything to forward town.

Awful look for ya pal.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:52 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:35 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:49 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:33 pm actually I want to push here and see what happens.

[VOTE: Grumple] aubergine

Grumple has been towncored without being townread. Nobody seriously suspects him, but nobody explicitly townreads him either. It's a lot easier to ignore your wolf teammates who aren't under suspicion than stir up controversy about them. I'm actually wondering if Grumple/Otto/X teams are possible.

My biggest gripe with Otto is that he appears way too confident and unmoving on his krusty vote despite having voted wrong for the past few days. I think all townies are feeling a bit or a lot of doubt and disappointment in their game so far and it is weird to me that Otto would just plough straight ahead onto exeing someone so early in the day seemingly uber confidently.

How do you know my last vote was wrong?

I cant even remember if it was on Grampa or Grumble, but that's not important here.
I ran away from the Lisa wagon, seeing you, Burns and Krusty on there gave me the creeps.

Keep laughing. Hopefully you can write a Coles on why your top SR's are Hugh and Gramps while you're gasping for air.
I'm all ears, and eyes. Always got time for you.

My town leans have completely evaporated because wagons and I really hated the wall posts from your SR's, however that may just be due to the nature of our home where we instayeet any wallers.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:48 pm Can i know the reason for that laugh emote @Krusty the Clown?

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:49 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:33 pm actually I want to push here and see what happens.

[VOTE: Grumple] aubergine

Grumple has been towncored without being townread. Nobody seriously suspects him, but nobody explicitly townreads him either. It's a lot easier to ignore your wolf teammates who aren't under suspicion than stir up controversy about them. I'm actually wondering if Grumple/Otto/X teams are possible.

My biggest gripe with Otto is that he appears way too confident and unmoving on his krusty vote despite having voted wrong for the past few days. I think all townies are feeling a bit or a lot of doubt and disappointment in their game so far and it is weird to me that Otto would just plough straight ahead onto exeing someone so early in the day seemingly uber confidently.

How do you know my last vote was wrong?

I cant even remember if it was on Grampa or Grumble, but that's not important here.
I ran away from the Lisa wagon, seeing you, Burns and Krusty on there gave me the creeps.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:36 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:08 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:39 pm Earlier in the game I posted about seeing a world where Burns and Allison are w/w and you guys gave me shit for "associative reads" or something.
Well I'm seeing that world again and don't care that you guys hate me exploring worlds.
Also, I'll have to ISO to confirm, but I don't think Krusty has questioned Allison or Burns and by this point in the game Krusty would have normally questioned everyone and gone back for some follow up.
Now he didn't get salty the last time I circled back on him, but I think he's learned not to lash out when scum.
Another thing with Krusty is that when hes town his reads are never this bad, however I have seen him go full on open wolf and just jump on any convenient town wagon night after night.
Hes bold like that.

Are you talking about me voting for Lisa last RD to save myself from a mislynch?



Brilliant detective work there. Taters gonna tater.

Lol what? That wasn't a dying minutes self pres vote. You were on Lisa pretty early fwir.

But I agree nonetheless, taters gonna tate

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:38 pm Lol @krusty

Nice vote. Could've at least bolded it in the thread after stating Hugh and Gramps as your top reads.

Did you get shy?

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:05 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:59 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:59 pm As it stands I dont see myself moving off Krusty for any reason.

Worst post of your entire life.



I get it. Feeling a lil drained, bleh.




Town core of Alison, Hugh, Otto, Burns, Grampa are rotten. 2 minimum wolf methinks. I'll bet my flapping dicky

So between Allison, Burns, Hugh and Grandpa who are your strongest SR's?

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:39 pm Earlier in the game I posted about seeing a world where Burns and Allison are w/w and you guys gave me shit for "associative reads" or something.
Well I'm seeing that world again and don't care that you guys hate me exploring worlds.
Also, I'll have to ISO to confirm, but I don't think Krusty has questioned Allison or Burns and by this point in the game Krusty would have normally questioned everyone and gone back for some follow up.
Now he didn't get salty the last time I circled back on him, but I think he's learned not to lash out when scum.
Another thing with Krusty is that when hes town his reads are never this bad, however I have seen him go full on open wolf and just jump on any convenient town wagon night after night.
Hes bold like that.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:59 pm As it stands I dont see myself moving off Krusty for any reason.

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:40 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:27 pm Grumple, what's your read on me? What convinces you that I'm scum over Lisa?

Over the course of the game I've disagreed with the logic behind some of your reads and I've felt like they were opportunistic. I.E. when you went after Hugh for making a long post. Also it's just like a vibes thing.

I'm not convinced you're more scum than Lisa.

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:42 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:40 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:38 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:03 pm I'm good to wagon against Lisa. I know my flip, so the wagon race against Lisa should be tell



By the by, I am Vanilla. Book it.

Telling what exactly?

I feel like I'm an easy wagon for scum to push. If I get mislynched over Lisa, welp, then take a look at my wagoneers

Why don't you just tell us which one(s) of them is bad while you're alive?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:40 pm And am i supposed to look at your adult talk here? I am just a kid, please behave

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:38 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:03 pm I'm good to wagon against Lisa. I know my flip, so the wagon race against Lisa should be telling.



By the by, I am Vanilla. Book it.

Telling what exactly?

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:35 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:31 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:30 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:27 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:25 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:23 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:22 pm What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

You're a lousy educator if you think that attendance isn't an important factor in a student's success.

From my experience, attendance is the easiest thing to fake.

Nope. Orgasms.


C'mon dude, erry'body knows that.

What are "orgasms?" That sounds vaguely familiar, like something you create with paper and your hands.

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:30 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:26 pm The only positive I can see to Lisa this moment is simply the lack of success we've had lynching slankers thus far.

Then perhaps try a different study strategy.

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:30 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:27 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:25 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:23 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:22 pm What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

You're a lousy educator if you think that attendance isn't an important factor in a student's success.

From my experience, attendance is the easiest thing to fake.

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:25 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:23 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:22 pm What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:22 pm What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:31 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:16 pm

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:13 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:02 pm what is The Math for PoE at this point?

If we miss three times in a row we lose.

What? There's 11 players remaining, how does that math work?

Barring a doc save if we miss here and wolves kill we are at 9...if we miss again and wolves kill we are at seven, and at seven we cannot miss. So f we miss three times we are dead.

That's why coming up with three names and saying THERE IS A WOLF IN HERE is important. We don't have to name all three right now, but within three have to hit one. My three are Lisa, Marge, and Grumple.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:13 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:02 pm what is The Math for PoE at this point?

If we miss three times in a row we lose.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:04 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:01 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:59 pm [VOTE: Bart] aubergine

Sheep me people. Give me your energy

if I promise to come back for a minute in an hour or so, can you promise to blow me away with a rock-solid case

Doubt it lmao, maybe a 10 lines wall that could have been summarized in 2 phrases

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:34 pm so what I gather is that Krusty / Burns / Gramps are either all CFC'ers or from other sites

i prob don't wanna vote krusty today tho, his D3 is kinda solid just aggression-wise

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:33 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:03 pm Lisa's post count is way off her D1 & D2, she's contributed 1 post so far D3. I'd like to see a Lisa vs Burns wagon, soooooooo

Burns?

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:43 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:36 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:24 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:10 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:04 pm
I'm surprised this is a question, Grumple.

Are you though?

What does this question say to you about the green creature if you are surprised?

Stop fidgeting.

It says they didn't bother to actually read how nf played out and was just looking for an opportunity to look busy by posing questions on why I voted even though that should have been obvious.

Could serve to muddy the waters a bit and shade me.

Fun fact, I've been looking for 112. She's tricky af and for a little while I was thinking she might be Lisa, but theres been some spelling and grammar errors which are definitely not 112 even though the post frequency and some meta stuff kinda lines up with Lisa.
I fear 112 might actually be Grumple, and if she is in fact Grumple I'd scum read that slot so hard.

I think 112 may have been CBG

Nah, it's Lisa.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:24 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:10 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:04 pm
I'm surprised this is a question, Grumple.

Are you though?

What does this question say to you about the green creature if you are surprised?

Stop fidgeting.

It says they didn't bother to actually read how nf played out and was just looking for an opportunity to look busy by posing questions on why I voted even though that should have been obvious.

Could serve to muddy the waters a bit and shade me.

Fun fact, I've been looking for 112. She's tricky af and for a little while I was thinking she might be Lisa, but theres been some spelling and grammar errors which are definitely not 112 even though the post frequency and some meta stuff kinda lines up with Lisa.
I fear 112 might actually be Grumple, and if she is in fact Grumple I'd scum read that slot so hard.

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:09 pm

Spoiler: show

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:06 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:39 pm Here's where I'm at right now:

I think Marge is town. I think Burns is town. Grampa's recent posts have made me doubt my scumread on him a bit. I feel like the thread is descending into an orgy of people nitpicking stuff about each other's posts and/or getting super defensive and lashing out when their own posts gets nitpicked. I think there's a decent number of people active lurking, eating popcorn, and watching the town tear each other into shreds.

I am currently more in favor of putting pressure on inactive people to contribute. I do not agree with Burns that Milhouse coming in to post some random read salad without any explanations or serious pushes is a townie entrance. I'm am concerned that Skinner and Hugh are still AWOL. I am also concerned that Ned Flanders has had three posts the entire day, scumread Burns early on, and then dropped a vote on him without any announcement, after Marge pushed Burns. (If you check the poll you will see that Flanders voted Burns after Marge and Homer voted, even though his suspicion on Burns purportedly came long before.) I do not know what Flanders' progression on the game is or why he is drive by voting Burns at a very convenient timing without saying anything.

So those four are my POE. I trust Otto, Marge, Burns, Grumple and Krusty. I am willing to accept Marge + Homer's testimony that they know who Bart is and that his behavior this game strongly indicates that he is town. I started off with an early Lisa townread, but she has since fallen off. So my 5 townreads + tentatively Bart is my townpool for today. Everyone else who isn't directly in the POE or in my townpool is somewhere in the middle.

Something about this sentence just doesn't sit well with me...it's borderline TMI. Slankers/lurkers certainly need to be addressed at some point, but RD1 it feels an easy way to push a mislynch.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:11 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:47 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:06 pm Something about this sentence just doesn't sit well with me...it's borderline TMI. Slankers/lurkers certainly need to be addressed at some point, but RD1 it feels an easy way to push a mislynch.

That's not what TMI means - TMI would be me being correct about my accusation of active lurkers and knowing that they are scum because they are in fact scum.

How do you propose we address slankers who post just enough to avoid being subbed out, but not enough to actually contribute? Because I think the thread is in a pretty chaotic state right now, lots of people are pointing fingers at each other, and that is a perfect atmosphere for mafia to lurk in. Therefore I think mafia are going to be very incentivized to slank out D1, especially when they have the cover of "this is a meme game/I'm just staying in character" to hide behind.

I don't think D1 is the time to take out slankers

A thing I've noticed in Krusty's ISO was this, which obviously looks bad in retrospect.

I think it's worth placing under scrutiny, given that now a lot of the slankers flipped town and Krusty had what amounted to no thoughts whatsoever on any lurker, let alone on an active being scum.

@Krusty the Clown can you elaborate on why that small thing pinged you so much? Like, Alison wasn't really pushing anyone specific here, she was just making a comment regarding the state of the thread and how she feels about it. She wasn't really pushing anyone specific.

Did you think a lot of the "slankers" were town, or why did this bother you so much?

Also, I asked you a question that you didn't reply to, so please do it this time.

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:29 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:13 pm why do you seem eager to put a player in a scum pile simply cuz' you feel their reads are bad?

what out of that post suggested that he did that?

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:14 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:28 pm Alison is my strongest lean

also talk about this when you can, how did the read develop from what you perceived as potential TMI to a town read?

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:56 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:45 pm @Allison Taylor You asked me earlier about Krusty, what are your thoughts on him?

I gave some thoughts on him earlier. I think his entrance into D3 was pretty townie. I think him wailing on Skinner is not as scummy as some have made it out to be - eg. Burns is doing the same, and it's not like wolf Krusty gets anywhere trying to push a Skinner misexe. I liked his posts D1 and D2 - generally, his tone has been good and his reads have been thoughtful. If he has an agenda I don't see it. The one thing that gives me pause about him is Otto starting to have serious doubts about him - Otto knows him from offsite and they have enough history together to give confident meta takes on each other. But if we set the Otto stuff aside, I think Krusty has actually been pretty town.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:33 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:30 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:14 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:49 am TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

:woozyface:

Why do you keep talking about Skinner? Skinner asked for sub.
And "TBH", bruh. Feels bad man

Odd response. I didn't even mention Skinner in the quoted post.

But in the post directly above it you did. And Skinner had already requested a sub. So yeah

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:14 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:49 am TBH, Otto is a good deepwolf candidate. He's been universally TR, but the Maf are happy to keep him alive? I dunno, Maf usually take down those kind of townies where I usually play.


His meta lines up with his usual town play, but this is a different forum, and I'll not say the dude is incapable of progressing his game...far from it.


He's still town to me for now, but goddammit Otto, if you're scum? Imma burn your house down.

:woozyface:

Why do you keep talking about Skinner? Skinner asked for sub.
And "TBH", bruh. Feels bad man

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:46 am

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:58 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:02 am

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:03 pm Oh for fucks sakes.


Tracker my ass. Are wolves trying to set up a mislynch? Don't see why, we're doing a good enough job on our own.


Skinner. Gotta go.

my instinct here was to say "that would be dumb" but Skinner was both a no-show and a no-vote D2, so it's not like he'd be a game-changing wagon vote

But I think pushing Skinner today is needless. Not sure what we really gain from it unless someone is willing to counterclaim and has something tangible to say. And there are obvious flaws in the "maybe someone will counterclaim" idea.

If Skinner's the tracker he's lock town, so he shouldn't be chopped, ever. Even if he's not around. We have no way of confirming that he's the tracker. If he's not the tracker, he's guaranteed his own demise, because wolves can't have even a slanking lock-town villager in the late game. So if he makes it to the end game there's obviously some fuckery afoot. In both scenarios, there's no gain in town chopping him.

why would we do this

of all the people, you want to chop the slanking tracker claim? Do you genuinely believe he's the best option? He can still come back and be active. I know Otto sussed the claim D2, but unless someone knows something I don't, there's not a huge reason to think he's a wolf. bad play, yes, but the claim should protect him from wagons (that is, after all, why he claimed D1).

this ain't it

This whole post could've been reduced to these 4 sentences. The rest is fluff.


Death to the fluffers.

i know you are but what am i

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:02 am

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:03 pm Oh for fucks sakes.


Tracker my ass. Are wolves trying to set up a mislynch? Don't see why, we're doing a good enough job on our own.


Skinner. Gotta go.

my instinct here was to say "that would be dumb" but Skinner was both a no-show and a no-vote D2, so it's not like he'd be a game-changing wagon vote

But I think pushing Skinner today is needless. Not sure what we really gain from it unless someone is willing to counterclaim and has something tangible to say. And there are obvious flaws in the "maybe someone will counterclaim" idea.

If Skinner's the tracker he's lock town, so he shouldn't be chopped, ever. Even if he's not around. We have no way of confirming that he's the tracker. If he's not the tracker, he's guaranteed his own demise, because wolves can't have even a slanking lock-town villager in the late game. So if he makes it to the end game there's obviously some fuckery afoot. In both scenarios, there's no gain in town chopping him.

why would we do this

of all the people, you want to chop the slanking tracker claim? Do you genuinely believe he's the best option? He can still come back and be active. I know Otto sussed the claim D2, but unless someone knows something I don't, there's not a huge reason to think he's a wolf. bad play, yes, but the claim should protect him from wagons (that is, after all, why he claimed D1).

this ain't it

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:07 am It's cool, I don't take things personally. Where are you at in terms of reads Krusty?

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:42 am Marge gloating about correctly townreading Homer is pretty townie I think. As much as I was annoyed with Krusty for his scumread on me I think it's probably >rand town in that he was pretty keyed up/unhappy with the gamestate and aggro towards people he perceived as wolf, where I think wolves would take a softer approach towards the game right now with a bad start for town and a couple of players with low activity. Burns looks good for similar reasons.

Lisa's posts today have been pretty meh. I don't like that her only post D3 is a self-defense post complaining about being scumread rather than offering any takes of her own. [VOTE: Lisa] aubergine

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:51 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:31 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:07 pm Grampa's EoD2 looked pretty good. I liked our interactions and he did seems genuine in his thoughts and considering the different cases I had. Would like to hear more from him since his 2 main suspects just flipped civ. He's been trending up.

Trying to ISO Lisa with an unforgiving perspective admittedly does make her look worse than null

okay I had a whole post written out but it was word soup and I would've been guilty of that "so many paragraphs just to say a sentence worth of content" push that was used against you (inaccurately, IMO, but still)

I was going to try and argue against your "hand in every jar" argument, and propose a "she mostly town-read the dominant wagons before dipping" alternative, but when I really got down to it, her commentary about the wagons is about equal to her commentary about chopping slankers, Marge shading, and then D2 Allison shading. She's maintained a Burns scum-lean D1 and D2, voted him D2. I can't tell if she scum-leans Marge or not. I think so? She voted Marge D1 and shaded her D2, so... probably? There's just very little to work with. She doesn't say more than one or two things about any subject. Your "hand in every jar" argument is bang on.

From what I can glean, her POE is Bart, Marge, Burns, Allison, with Burns being her strongest(?) lean

Her town is... CBG? She sided with me on D1 but in a really indirect way, so can't say I'm there, especially since she called me desperate because of a bad sentence in my D2 entrance. Town-read Grumple D1 and switched that D2, but didn't commit to calling him wolf-y. Still, probably not a town-lean. And... that's it.

her only town read was the D2 wagon, and she only revealed that a few hours before the chop

I wonder, who was this paragraph aimed at?

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:26 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:06 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm oops

I was so sure he was scum too

I'm scum reading this shit.


"Oh gee, & I was sure he was scum! Gosh darn fizzle sticks"


What a crock. Real TO should be pissed off, not getting ready to check on a batch of cookies

I don't get pissed off over mafia games. If you know who I am, you'd know that, it's a well-established meta of mine. I've made far more disastrous misexes than a wolfy lurker guy that flipped town, and I'm sure as fuck not blaming myself for it when he made it as hard as possible to get there on him being town. Don't scumread me for not having the same emotions as you please.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:12 pm

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:06 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm oops

I was so sure he was scum too

I'm scum reading this shit.


"Oh gee, & I was sure he was scum! Gosh darn fizzle sticks"


What a crock. Real TO should be pissed off, not getting ready to check on a batch of cookies

I'm town and I can't really say I was pissed. Disappointed? Yeah probably.

What's the difference between the other first post since phase (mine and Burns)? Since you only quoted this.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:06 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm oops

I was so sure he was scum too

I'm scum reading this shit.


"Oh gee, & I was sure he was scum! Gosh darn fizzle sticks"


What a crock. Real TP should be pissed off, not getting ready to check on a batch of cookies

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm oops

I was so sure he was scum too

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:33 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:56 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:50 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:10 pm Hugh, remind me again what your case on Krusty was? And does Otto (a strong townread of yours) having locked him town based on (presumably compelling) meta reasons change your view of Krusty at all?

It doesn't feel like his contribution is genuine game solving. His game has been revolving around piggybacking off interactions and making some off hand comments. He's been asking questions but I don't feel like he's reached enough conclusions, there is a lack of follow up and commitment to the takes he have that makes them come off as him not actually trying to solve or advance the game. There is also a lack emotion accompanying his posts and it feels as if he's not actually trying to figure people out. That might come from a personal interactions and how I felt he was handling me. Speaking of his handling of me, I felt like he avoided several of my come backs to him. And that just reinforces the vibe I have of his game so far, which is nitpicking stuff and no follow up so not actually trying to figure out someone. It also goes in hand with the off hand comments I mentioned, the nitpicking takes are a cheap way for wolfs to shade others and at the same time fake contribution. They feel slimy and not like a genuine townie being pinged by something.

I agree, but I am not as convinced

Your last two sentences are of interest to me, about how nitpicking is cheap for wolves. I agree at a glance with that. Might try that one on for size with my Krusty read. Poking holes can help catch a wolf with their pants down, but that's obviously not going to happen if it's the wolf doing the poking. And you're right that it can be faked contribution if it doesn't come alongside personal reads.

Might do an ISO and see if Krusty ever made a major read that wasn't just disagreeing with someone else...

Okay, well, I did just that.

Krusty scum-read Skinner early game, but besides that has mostly pressured for a CBG chop. He voted CBG at some point D2; his first post was singling out CBG, so probably then, but I can't see a vote post anywhere to confirm. Otto asks him for a full scum-lean list and CBG is missing from it (he says Homer and CBG, Otto asks for more, list becomes Hugh, Homer, and Grumple).

Besides that, it's been hole-poking.

@Krusty the Clown: What's your read on CBG now? You were scum-reading him for almost the entire game, and you said he and Homer were on your radar but then clarified your scum reads were Hugh, Homer, and Grumple. Did you just forget to include him in the full list? I see you're voting him rn so actions speak louder than words. I guess I'm wondering if your read has evolved since the start of D2. How does CBG look compared to the rest of your list now that we're so close to EOD?

this somewhat makes Krusty look better to me since he actually has pushed for a case, although almost singularly. I can see how this got lost though since his case on CBG looks similar to his hole-poking elsewhere, except CBG has been a consistent trend and he's been voting there (he voted CBG D1 too). It took me an ISO to notice it

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:50 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:10 pm Hugh, remind me again what your case on Krusty was? And does Otto (a strong townread of yours) having locked him town based on (presumably compelling) meta reasons change your view of Krusty at all?

It doesn't feel like his contribution is genuine game solving. His game has been revolving around piggybacking off interactions and making some off hand comments. He's been asking questions but I don't feel like he's reached enough conclusions, there is a lack of follow up and commitment to the takes he have that makes them come off as him not actually trying to solve or advance the game. There is also a lack emotion accompanying his posts and it feels as if he's not actually trying to figure people out. That might come from a personal interactions and how I felt he was handling me. Speaking of his handling of me, I felt like he avoided several of my come backs to him. And that just reinforces the vibe I have of his game so far, which is nitpicking stuff and no follow up so not actually trying to figure out someone. It also goes in hand with the off hand comments I mentioned, the nitpicking takes are a cheap way for wolfs to shade others and at the same time fake contribution. They feel slimy and not like a genuine townie being pinged by something.

I'm a pretty stubborn person, so no it hasn't at all.